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Coach’s plea to end chant ignored

Kansas fans at KU's Memorial Stadium.

Kansas fans at KU's Memorial Stadium.

October 11, 2008

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Mark Mangino asks students to stop explicit chant

Mark Mangino filmed this video about a chant said at KU football games that has drawn the ire of KU officials and some students. He sent it to students in an e-mail. Enlarge video

KU officials urge students to drop chant

KU officials urged students to refrain from using a long-time student chant during football games because of its obscenity. Enlarge video

Kansas University students love their football coach, but that doesn't mean they listen to him any better than they listen to their parents.

In a Thursday video message distributed to students via e-mail, Mark Mangino asked students to stop an obscene chant during kickoffs. He thanked students for their support, urged them to "get loud, get really loud," and added, "But do us a favor. Let's cut out that kickoff chant. We're better than that. Let's think of something better."

The students followed the "loud" portion of the instructions in Saturday's 30-14 victory against Colorado University, but continued the "rip his (expletive) head off," chant taken from the 1998 Adam Sandler football movie "The Water Boy."

Comments

RockChalk1985 6 years, 2 months ago

I would like the public to know that Coach Mangino's message did get through to some. I am a student and sat in the student section for the game today. I refused to say the chant because I don't like the negative view it's now brining to KU since our games are being televised more. When we first kicked off, yes I heard the chant, but each time, fewer and fewer students said it. The students are listening and are trying, but it's going to take time. People must understand that this has been going on for five years now, so it's going to be hard to break the habit of doing this during kick offs. Student groups are getting together to think of new chants, but the bottom line is that some students will never change or will refuse to accept the change. This is something the public is going to have to accept. So please, be patient with the students, and enjoy all the other aspects of the game.

roger_o_thornhill 6 years, 2 months ago

Again, I have to question how the college kids even know about this dumb a$$ movie. Maybe when you all are older you will realize just how awful that Sandler person is. Not for cursing and being obnoxious for its own sake...oh wait, that's his whole shtick...And mumbling like a moron, right?Seriously, be rebelious in your oh, so very conformist way if you must, but copy some other moron. What about that "Jacka$$" person from a while ago? Isn't there something offensive and dangerous that you all could copy from that? I can't wait until things devolve to showing students "flashing" the camera for the Jumbovision--like at a Guns 'n' Roses concert. WOO! HOO! USA! USA! USA! Then we can live like damnhellass kings!

Mixolydian 6 years, 2 months ago

I was sitting on the west side 30 yard line about half way up and I didn't hear it. In fact when they played Coach Mangino's request before the game to be loud but curteous and classy, everyone in the stadium loudly applauded.

budwhysir 6 years, 2 months ago

HMMM. I dont think anyone here is getting the point. Better click on over and the the editorial "obscene cheer" That right there tells you what happened to modern day sports. As to this article, I will save my arguments for defending the editorial.Where, is my pacifire??? I heard a new song the other day on the radio station my child was listening too and if I am correct, I heard several bad words, including a phrase that talked about doing something I havent ever got to do. And has anyone complained or tried to head this off at a younger age? Dont think so, we need to complain when there is money at stake

tangential_reasoners_anonymous 6 years, 2 months ago

Ah, that sea of blue, though... kinda gives one hope for the evolution of Kansas, this political season.

Buggie7 6 years, 2 months ago

I agree with dweezil and qball. Most of these parents that are so worried about having their kids here it ill bet have rented or own the waterboy and every other expletive movie. Its a football game and there are adults there that attend school there. You sir above made that choice to purchase the tickets and bring children. College activities arent meant for children. Take them to a chiefs or royals game. College is college these students only get one college life let them freakin have it. Ill bet thier tuition and books cost more than your tickets.

del888 6 years, 2 months ago

q_ball2kand1 (Anonymous) says: College football games are for college students, not your childrenYour are WRONG! I have purchased Family end zone season tickets for several years. I have set through many games with my 4 kids thru the years, and I am tired of the rude comments that come from the student section. I have supported KU football with my hard earned money, and I expect the Family tickets to be family friendly.

classclown 6 years, 2 months ago

Besides displaying the lack of class that typical KU students have, the chant also displays the lack of originality as well. Are KU students really too stupid to think up something of their own?

truman 6 years, 2 months ago

I watch all the games on tv and can't hear the chant. That doesn't mean it shouldn't be stopped but the tv viewers can't hear it.

BlackVelvet 6 years, 2 months ago

when the "F" word is every other wod out of Mangino's mouth, how can you expect the students to stop saying it? Really.....how.......let's don't be hyporcites here....

dweezil222 6 years, 2 months ago

If you feel like your kids need to live the "whiffle life" (credit: P.J. O'Rourke) and their oh-so-sensitive virgin ears can't handle it, maybe you shouldn't be taking them to a college football game. Upset about the obscenity? Trust me, if your kids have seen more than about 15 minutes of television, they've likely heard it or worse. Concerned about the violent aspect? Then why the heck are you watching a very violent sport? The only reason this is newsworthy is that we've reached the point where everything has to be "politically correct."

BlackVelvet 6 years, 2 months ago

Mom of three is right. let's just ignore it and eventually it should go away.....

mwwkw 6 years, 2 months ago

What next? Rock and roll?!?! Dungarees in school?!?! Smooching at the soda fountain?!?! It's a chant. Half the parents who are complaining about the ears of the 'poor children' probably let their kids watch the very film the chant came -- or any of the 100s of TV shows and movies that feature violence, obscenity, etc. I don't think the way to handle this is to appeal to "the children" or make appeals referencing "dear little grandmother" as I saw in one story. And besides, listen to some of the music that is played during games. It's FOOTBALL! It's by nature a violent and aggressive sport! And 'class' -- if you have to ask people to be "classy," then you've already lost any class there was to begin with -- Emily Post 101. This chant -- like all the other behaviors that students and fans come up with -- will die off if people would stop freaking out.

mwwkw 6 years, 2 months ago

I think that idea is an interesting one -- that the team could be penalized for what it's fans say... Has that ever happened -- like at little league, high schools, etc? Imagine the uproar if that were a rule.

yovoy 6 years, 2 months ago

when mangino first got here it looked like we did have the waterboy suiting up.

yankeevet 6 years, 2 months ago

Why can'ts we all get along? Where's Rodney; when u need him......................

Buggie7 6 years, 2 months ago

Funny Joe I was thinking where would they be if they werent paying tuition and the alumni do make donations but there really arent that many that are related to football.

letsgetwise 6 years, 2 months ago

Bubarubu: "Being a college student gets you the right to attend classes, get into the rec center get discounted tickets to games, and try to earn a diploma. Nothing there about a free pass for ignorant, immature, stupidity."Good comment. As I've been reading through this thread, I was thinking pretty much the same thing. Just because they're "college kids" doesn't mean anything, after all, most are probably over 18, which means they qualify to be adults and not kids. They should be held responsible for their actions.

iplaysupernintendo 6 years, 2 months ago

Get over it. It's college football.There are much worse things in life than a cuss word that your child will PROBABLY hear at the game anyway. Shame on you for exposing your innocent children to drunk students!gasp!

Bud Stagg 6 years, 2 months ago

If the games are for students, then how good would the team be without the donations of the alumni and families who buy the tickets? The young are so short sighted. Show some respect for your fellow fans and your institution.

yovoy 6 years, 2 months ago

i watched on t.v. and i heard it. it wasn't as clear as before, but i heard it. is it family-friendly? no, but i'm not sure it's reasonable to expect disney-esque moments from excited fans of any sport, or of any age. especially if they are hungover/drunken/exuberant college-age kids. my kid has been hearing it since she was young, and while i'm not too put-off by it as a parent, others might be, and since this is what we seem to have come to (regarding opinions on both sides of stopping this chant), i guess it's expected to stop in order to not somehow warp young minds. nevermind the parental neurosis that's taken over in this country recently. anyway, your kids (depending on age) probably have their ipods on/in, are busy texting/calling friends, are playing their nintendo ds, or are busy playing with their "gametime" friends. many of them probably don't even notice. so then parents, your "investment" in those "essential" electronics are probably saving their delicate psyches one button-mash at a time.should a college fb game be f-f? maybe moreso than "the chant" is making it, but irresponsibility is part of (college?) life. AND those doing the chant are someone's "children". they should probably know better. i DO doubt that the children that would be "protected" by stopping the chant probably won't know any better when they go away from their protective parents. they'll probably make mistakes that their parents would be horrified at; just as their parents made the same kind of mistakes they're condemning others for.should our fans tone it down and start acting like fans that expect a good product on the field? yes. we should be able to act more like we've kicked off after a touchdown/fg before. not like a bunch of hayseeds. we're acting the way fb fans of a certain "other u", used to act.we should expect better, but we should also know that we probably won't get it. buy your tickets, spend your pre-game time getting fat(ter) with your buddies, and know that your kids are not the ultimate reflection of you (thank god). the kids are alright: they're gonna be alright. all of them.

budwhysir 6 years, 2 months ago

Bobby Bushee for those that dont know was the waterboy. Is our waterboy now playing on our team????

Bubarubu 6 years, 2 months ago

I don't particularly care about the chant one way or the other, but this idea that college students are entitled to obscene/vulgar public behavior simply because they are college students is fundamentally stupid. Two options: either college students are children and should have their behavior controlled by those in authority OR college students are adults and are responsible (and accountable) for their own behavior. FWIW, I'm much more likely to opt for the latter position. Being a college student gets you the right to attend classes, get into the rec center, get discounted tickets to games, and try to earn a diploma. Nothing there about a free pass for ignorant, immature, stupidity.

yovoy 6 years, 2 months ago

what?! interact w/ our kids? educate them a little bit? nah, that's what school is for - actually it's really for blaming our lack of parental ability on. those that blame instead of teach their kids are the biggest crybabies about stuff like this. they want to police others instead of working.

Mixolydian 6 years, 2 months ago

bad_dog (Anonymous) says: "I was sitting on the west side 30 yard line about half way up and I didn't hear it."-mixoYou also "read Palin's release of her side of the story yesterday and I read the 263 page report this morning and I'm not clearly seeing the violation of the cited ethics law."============================================Inserting a political post into a football post? Good grief.On a side note, in the battle of the bands, I thought CU clearly won in the stands. Much louder, brighter and supportive of their team. On the field though we blew them away. A tribute to Journey? And CU made their band members do a corny dance while playing Journey? ugh, that was lame in the 70's. KU's arrangement of Freebird was awesome. Any band members on here? Was that an in-house arrangement or commercial? Back in the day (Foster, Barnes, McCurdy) they were mostly in-house.Good job on the field band.

Hawk6643 6 years, 2 months ago

Birdsandflowers---You have to be kidding me? You really take this seriously? On another note....someone told me today that Texas does the same chant...

hilary 6 years, 2 months ago

If bad words offend you, watch the game from home, or on the lawn. There will always be some foul language at a sporting event. If you are so scared of your child hearing the F word, maybe you should just bite the bullet, and explain that some people get excited for the game in different ways, and that's not the way you and your family get down.With a crowd that size, and everyone paying good money for seats to the game, there's no way to control what comes out of people's mouths. This will take some time to die. Perhaps if the LJWorld hadn't made it the primary story in the last few days, people wouldn't have been so happy to say it, for the mere glory of ticking other people off.

XEPCT 6 years, 2 months ago

we won!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

brandx 6 years, 2 months ago

When did this particular cheer become a "tradition", as the paper called it? Are we moviing so fast that something becomes a "tradition" in a couple of years? No wonder today's students don't finish undergraduate work in 4 years. They are just having so much fun! How about bringing back a good old cheer that went: Repel them, repel them! Make them relinquish the ball.

Fred Whitehead Jr. 6 years, 2 months ago

Why is anybody surprised at this news? With many of the college classrooms becoming just another stopping place for our modern generation of cell p[hone, lap top, and text message addicts on the way to the unemployment line and welfare office, such odious behaviour should be expected. Coach Mangino should have known that when he made an issue of this problem, that the legions of never-will-be ghost students would pounce on it to further their quest for oblivion. He should have never tried.

mh666 6 years, 2 months ago

Sell off the student section to the general public next year. I'll gladly sit there and not yell F bombs.

q_ball2kand1 6 years, 2 months ago

College football games are for college students, not your children.

budwhysir 6 years, 2 months ago

If our coach cant control the general public now attending the games, how do we expect to win the game? I am very upset cause I heard some of the kids talking and one of the said the "s" word ahd then he double toothpicks. If my kids hadnt been listening to 957 the vibe, they might have overheard this talk. Luckily they where listening to a new great song talking about what a girlfriend is actualy for and how some lady kissed a girl and liked it.If all we can do is complain about what is said during a weekend football game, we have all checked out from the reality of the real world. Maybe you could do as I did and explain to your kids that these knuckleheads have nothing better to do than this and that we dont act like that in public.

Hawk6643 6 years, 2 months ago

Don't act like your children only hear bad words from college kids. I am sure that every little kid their age is constantly hearing those words from other sources, including their parents, and will be exposed to it at some point it time..and from other people than college kids.

birdsandflowers 6 years, 2 months ago

g10ck0wn3r -- Go ahead and "dumb" down, desensitize the violent message. I am quite aware that football is not a "huggy kissy" game, but there are even rules of the game that are enforced to prevent "severe bodily harm." And, yes, I'm quite serious when it comes to violent messages.

smokybr 6 years, 2 months ago

Half the parents complaining about the chant are drunk in front of their kids at the game.

rocksolid 6 years, 2 months ago

I think the "F" word without the chant could be heard at Missouri tonight!!

1petadvocate 6 years, 2 months ago

Anonymous userGootsie (Anonymous) says: "I was afraid for a while that the way Coach was going to get them to stop the chant was to not ever score, thus avoiding a kickoff:."Gootsie, they tried the no scoring, no winning thing for years; that didn't class them up, either...

TriSigmaKS 6 years, 2 months ago

Stop chanting that please!!!!!!!!!! It's rude, especially in front of children. Let's be respective. Come on now people. How about instead we say something else....let's come up with ideas and change the chant:Let's Wave the Wheat!!!!!!!

justforfun 6 years, 2 months ago

The ones who love it are the students who don't pay ship for there tickets !! They also will be the ones in 20 yrs who come back to the games with their kids and think a little different about what their kids hear. Those who yell it probably can relate to the Waterboy cuz thats what they were in High School!!!

nobody1793 6 years, 2 months ago

I suppose I support your first ammendment right to say the chant and wear your "our coach can eat your coach" t-shirts, but it sure makes you look tacky and disrespectful. That's the point.

budwhysir 6 years, 2 months ago

Well now that original bob has cleared everything up about where everything came from, is it possible that this "crowd" picked this up from watching the movie. How do college students differ from every other adult in America?

kansas_o_kansas 6 years, 2 months ago

Wow, today's little sheep insist on keeping their cheer, even when told by the "man" to give it up. Sniff, brings a tear to my eye. Maybe there is hope for this generation. Now if we could just get them out of those UGG boots....

yovoy 6 years, 2 months ago

nevermind what a coach says to kids he recruited. that is not our business - sure our ticket purchases pay his salary, but i don't presuppose to tell him what to do.we can only control what WE say. if people/students/kids want to yell that at a game, they're going to. if we don't want to hear it, we better just not support such fouth-mouthedness. come on people, employ some chutpah: don't try to control others, control yourselves, and vote with your feet, or shut the up. ;)

VTHawk 6 years, 2 months ago

KU is the WORST TEAM IN THE COUNTRY ON KICKOFF COVERAGE. Even if the chant wasn't offensive, it just as bad as Nebraska touting the "Blackshirts" during the Callahan years. If we get good at kickoff coverage, then the KU students will have the chance to act like buffoons.KU is a public school, and the KU football team is supported through taxpayers and donations, not so much by the students. They can stop acting so self-rightous. During the Allen years, there were few students taking the effort to support the team, even while townies (like myself) continued to support the program.

Buggie7 6 years, 2 months ago

Del888 try family swimming tickets at the pool. This is college. This isnt the Brady bunch its Football and no matter where you are as someone said before its a hard agressive game for players and fans ya dont like it take you Hard earned money to see Disney on ice.

yovoy 6 years, 2 months ago

leave the money out of this, we just need to complain - about anything.

otto 6 years, 2 months ago

These same college kids that think this chant is ok are the ones that disrespect the community which they live. Littering, foul mouthed pigs. Good thing we are able to exploit them for their money in town. That's all they are good for.

yovoy 6 years, 2 months ago

i don't think anyone here is saying that college students are "entitled" to act like boobs. i think what lots of us are saying is that there might be some bad language beyond our control at games.

Jeff Kilgore 6 years, 2 months ago

benny, i just remember how much fun it was to be crude in school and, without children, the "cheer" does make me snicker and feel a little giddy. In the early 90s on the hill, my then 7-year old son watched a disgruntled, drunk collegian stand on his empty keg, drop his pants, and shout, "Huck the . . ." My son lived. But it isn't something to be proud of.

JimmyJoeBob 6 years, 2 months ago

I would just like something a little more original. It will probably stop after Oklahoma rips our heads off next week.

dweezil222 6 years, 2 months ago

q_ball2kand1 (Anonymous) says: College football games are for college students, not your children.=======================================Amen.

yovoy 6 years, 2 months ago

the big donors are shielded from the unwashed masses anyway. so then maybe the solution is to pony-up for the high-dollar, more "insulated" seats?

rocksolid 6 years, 2 months ago

Isn't this the same school that holds the record for tearing down goalpost in one year? And when they do, my wife and I cringe when parents from the "family zone" come on the field with their precious children to enjoy the experience. BTW how many of you drove home drunk today not thinking about the families from the fun zone walking away from the stadium.How many parents took their precious children to Mass Street after the National Championship to enjoy the experience? Parents you can't have it both ways.

birdsandflowers 6 years, 2 months ago

College football is for college students? Great -- go for it! Try having a successful team and coach with only the support of the students. Sorry, won't happen.KU alumni, staff, and others who love KU (yes, you don't have to be a KU graduate to love the university!!??) have long supported KU athletics. Without them the students would have no platform for which to express their violent chant!!Surprising to me is that NOBODY in this thread has addressed this most disturbing part of the chant. Many have posted the use of the "F" word is the offensive culprit. NOBODY has addressed the violent act that the chant alludes to. That distresses me more than the "F" word.

bad_dog 6 years, 2 months ago

"Inserting a political post into a football post? Good grief."-mixoMust I really point out your hypocrisy in even more painful detail? Good grief and golly gee whillikers.

aquakej 6 years, 2 months ago

I don't care if kids hear the chant or not; it's still very unsportsmanlike and it's not how I want my university represented. That chant is something the University of Missouri would say.

Jeff Kilgore 6 years, 2 months ago

Several very interesting comments. On the one hand, we are a vulgar society, college years are vulgar, and vulgar is cool. On the other hand, KU sells family packages, and as such, whether students like it or not, by doing so, they are obligated to make it more family-oriented. As far as it being a "tradition," "five years"? I guess that I have to side with those against it. What if it were announced before kickoff that the yell could come with an unsportsmanlike penalty? A few of those, and the tradition would die that day. Or not. If that were to happen, the students would have to decide whether they are more important than the game.

1petadvocate 6 years, 2 months ago

KU.....where class is something to sit in daily and pretend to understand what is being taught.OK, KU college kids; by all means have your "life experience"! Drink your way down town, stumble across Mass and puke your way back to the dorms. Act like children and PLEASE leave the community alone. Tired of KU, sick of the blue and find nothing in most of you worth acknowledging. Easy to understand why your folks wanted to ship you off to school!

TheBurf 6 years, 2 months ago

Unless your right next to the student section, you can't even understand what their saying. Now Mangino and the papers have now made a HUGE deal about it. It wasn't bringing any negative attention to the program until Mangino made it a big deal.I remember not long ago being embarrassed watching the football team with a wine and cheese crowd. This is football people, not croquet. I for one enjoy watching people getting their heads ripped off. If you don't, stay home.

Bill Lee 6 years, 2 months ago

If the football games are only for students, then let the students make the donations to the Williams Fund. If the rest of us didn't support the football program at KU the students would be left with an intermural program. Maybe that's what they deserve.

doc1 6 years, 2 months ago

The league is drafting a 10 yard penalty similar to the excessive crowd noise penalty in the NFL. The penalty would cost the team 10 yeards after the crowd chants anything obviously vulgar.

budwhysir 6 years, 2 months ago

See what Im talking about, we cant get thru one article post without hearing a word like boob. Im appauled. hope my 3 year old cant read yet if he can, my preschool is doing way to good of job

tangential_reasoners_anonymous 6 years, 2 months ago

On the other hand, as others already have noted, Mangino isn't exactly the poster child for considerate, self-decentered behavior.

Linda Aikins 6 years, 2 months ago

I was afraid for a while that the way Coach was going to get them to stop the chant was to not ever score, thus avoiding a kickoff....It was a little quieter today. The ones who don't want to say it need to say something else on top of it to drown it out. I agree - it will eventually stop.

Bubarubu 6 years, 2 months ago

@yovoy:"i don't think anyone here is saying that college students are "entitled" to act like boobs. i think what lots of us are saying is that there might be some bad language beyond our control at games."I agree with the second part, and I'm not going for some sort of language policing. There are good reasons to avoid vulgarities, and I think people should be self-motivated to do so, but I also don't care that much about people using obscenity at times.The "college activities for college kids," "college is a vulgar time," and "let them have their one college experience" attitudes that people have used in this thread to excuse the chant though, are too easily extended to all sorts of bad behavior. We're not talking about the dorms or a frat party where college students are only around other college students. This is a public event, one that other people have paid a lot of money to get into. Non-students have as much of a right to enjoy the experience as do the students. Moreover, by going into the game at all, everyone agrees to a particular code of conduct. Check the back of your ticket where it says that persons "whose conduct is unbecoming (e.g. throwing objects, abusive or vulgar language)." The chant is, at best, an unoriginal and otherwise meaningless opportunity to scream an obscenity. At an institution known for it's game chant, you'd think we could do better.

thare 6 years, 2 months ago

Sure, the chant is moronic but you guys were all 18-22yr olds once, probably some of you were participating in the debauchary of the 60's. Is it really shocking that a group of college-aged kids would go against what an authority figure says? Furthermore, football is an extremely violent game - the whole point is to try and hit your opponet as hard as humanely possible, how can you seriously justify it as family entertainment. The sport exists in a very adult world, and I'm not some liberal sports-hating wack job, I LOVE FOOTBALL! I expect that if your child hears a swear word - you can explain it away the same way you surely must when he sees 22 men smashing into one another with the encouragement of fifty-thousand people...

mom_of_three 6 years, 2 months ago

Just get over it already. My kids hear worse than that at school, and ignore it. Yes, I wish it would be gone, and it will eventually. It's stupid and childish, and the sooner you ignore it, the sooner it will be gone, just like other things your kids do that is annoying.

rocksolid 6 years, 2 months ago

What's next take away the Pep band playing the Wheaties song when an opposing player fouls out at a basketball game?Oh they tried that too. It all starts with the "violent" lighting strike of the opposing team's helmet before kickoff, try explaing that to your child that if lightning strikes you, you will not explode, but everyone cheers at that act.

gl0ck0wn3r 6 years, 2 months ago

"birdsandflowers (Anonymous) says: Surprising to me is that NOBODY in this thread has addressed this most disturbing part of the chant. Many have posted the use of the "F" word is the offensive culprit. NOBODY has addressed the violent act that the chant alludes to. That distresses me more than the "F" word."Surely this is a joke. Please tell me no one is this serious. Perhaps the students ought to urge the football players to hug their opponents into submission?

Strontius 6 years, 2 months ago

Regardless of what you think about the chant, it's not going to stop. It's just the nature of the beast. Students don't really care about or respect the wishes of the football coach or their students senate, which they would sooner spit on. They love the controversy, made even more funny by all the news reporting. Now students who yell the chant know how much it upsets people and how much attention it gets. Unless the University is prepared to try and kick out hundreds of half intoxicated students at a football game (which would be a disaster), nothing will chance.

tangential_reasoners_anonymous 6 years, 2 months ago

This is the sort of absurd scenario at which one invariably arrives when undue power is artificially and arbitrarily assigned to some otherwise benign symbol.It's a werd. Get over it. It will live only so long as you insist on exalting it.( giving terrible-two-year-olds an opportunity to respond in the negative. )

bad_dog 6 years, 2 months ago

"I was sitting on the west side 30 yard line about half way up and I didn't hear it."-mixoYou also "read Palin's release of her side of the story yesterday and I read the 263 page report this morning and I'm not clearly seeing the violation of the cited ethics law."After reading the above, I guess I'm not surprised you missed the chant on 4 occasions. I wasn't that far from you at the game and I could clearly hear it. The volume did diminish somewhat when some of the students left as the outcome became obvious.

penguin 6 years, 2 months ago

Seriously, has anyone actually listened to the Mangino video? I might be more convinced that he wanted students to stop the chant if it actually sounded like he cared. I think I have heard more conviction in someone trying to explain the directions on how to prepare mac and cheese. Also given his own YouTube video...it seems he is not really opposed to use of the word. In addition, the story on AP has a quote from Mortensen saying he attempts to do just what the students are screaming. Senior linebacker Joe Mortensen said the chant serves as motivation."When I try to hit people," Mortensen said, "that's what I try to do."http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news?slug=ap-kansas-chant&prov=ap&type=lgnsI think that the chant might eventually die out, but constantly complaining about it will not do it. I actually heard quite a few more people put a little extra into it. I am guessing that if people keep making a huge stink about this...well then the students will do it just to defy the complainers. We have already sanitized the Border War ....I mean oops Border Showdown, but that has not stopped people from using the old name.The only real way it ends is if there is some sort of alternative chant. I do have to say that the chant post-safety "you let the whole team down" at the QB....was pretty funny.Ultimately, this is college football. If you want rules and regulations go to a No Fun League game. I can guarantee you that hearing that word a few times a game pales in comparison to the number of times I heard it in the tailgating ares from some of these same so-called upstanding community elders and alums.

penguin 6 years, 2 months ago

Again, I please ask you to watch the actual video. (At the game it was almost completely muted by the crowd noise) He really sounds like a guy who could care less about the issue and that his bosses informed him that he needs to go on camera to read a script. Also kicking people out just dooms the future KU football teams. Today's students are tomorrow's alums and Williams Fund contributors. I know if I was a student kicked out of a football game for some "dirty" words that my desire to donate in the future would not exist.This is just another case of a university being bullied and responding to correct some silly issue. Also for all of you claiming that this will hurt recruiting by way of hurting the school's reputation....are you kidding? Yes, because some 18 year old high school kid will say "Well I was going to attend KU, but they drop the F bomb during kickoffs to their opponent." In the past years, other schools have had to deal with issues such as steroids, drugs, gambling/points shaving, and other criminal offenses...just be happy all we have is the made up problem of Rip His Xxxxxxx Head Off Gate.

blindrabbit 6 years, 2 months ago

I've been sitting near the student section for years and can say for sure that for many students (if not most) the football game is just a pre-party. From my observations the students are among the worst fans; most have any real knowledge of the game, those that do are not nearly as obnoxious. Further proof in student dedication; just watch who vacates the stadium; half of the students are gone mid-third quarter regardless of what is happening on the field.K.U. students think they are basketball savy but for sure they are football dumb!!

miniflavors 6 years, 2 months ago

I did not realize how many people that are on here were so little in mind ? WOW .. I support KU as well and take my kids to. And I say if they need to say it GO to the bathroom where all the other dump is at. And leave the FUN for the real FANS that really want to support and work with others in making this a great place for all to come. So if your a POTTY MOUTH....Maybe you can cheer in the bathroom. :)

beawolf 6 years, 2 months ago

"What kind of a retard thinks college football games are for the students? " .....It could be that because the game is no longer for the students, that they don't give a damn about what they chant. Try attending an NFL game in Philadelphia, a little chant at the kickoff will be the least of your concerns. Bottom line, if you are offended, don't go.

janeyb 6 years, 2 months ago

The first time I heard the F word and was called a B$tch was at Vacation Bible School when I was eight years old. It was a Deacon's son that enlightened me. His was also the first little pecker I viewed other than my baby brother's. You never know where you will get your education, but you know it wasn't that big a surprise. Even Bugs Bunny had enough innuendo in it to give me some clues. Jump down off your heavenly pedestals and let college students enjoy the games.

Bubarubu 6 years, 2 months ago

"just be happy all we have is the made up problem of Rip His Xxxxxxx Head Off Gate."Instead of responding with "Boy, it could be worse," how about we focus on how to make it better? Better by having classier fans, better by creating an atmosphere where everyone can feel comfortable, better by showing an unselfish and mature recognition of other people.As for the future, if alums stop bringing their kids to games, especially little kids, there will be less of a chance to get those kids to identify with KU and less of a chance to get those kids to include KU in their future plans. Students, on this issue and more generally, need to get over the assumption that the university exists for them. Students are one set of stakeholders, and an important one. So are faculty and staff, alumni, the community, and the broader state population. "I don't like being told that I can't scream an obscenity in a public place, so I won't support the university that helped provide me with an education" How petulant.

funmoney 6 years, 2 months ago

Dear Coach - please find enclosed a 2 gift certificates for Jenny Craig. One would not be enough. Nice try but drunk college kids are immature and well... drunk. I heard that Bill Self should have made the request. Don't think that would have worked either. Afterall, he makes $1,750 per hour whether this is chanted or not. College sports have come to represent all things bad about our society, unfortunately. These chants are merely a reflection of this. Take the money away and see what kind of chants they come up with, all 2 or 3 that will show up for the game and they would be there to see the band.

Mixolydian 6 years, 2 months ago

bad_dog (Anonymous) says: "Inserting a political post into a football post? Good grief."-mixoMust I really point out your hypocrisy in even more painful detail? Good grief and golly gee whillikers.==============================Well, yeah, I guess you do, I have no clue what you're getting at. Or you could send me a PM and we could meet somewhere for a beer and you can explain it to me. Of course, since you're the one confused, you'll have to buy.

Justin Roberts 6 years, 2 months ago

Hey KU students you may be young but you are still adults and it is time you started to act like it. That family setting next to you, that could be you some day. Would you want your children to hear that chant? I grew up in Norman, OK and the fans at OU say OOOOOOOUUUUUUU at kick offs and it can be heard 5 miles from the stadium. So why not say KKKKKUUUUU and let the entire town hear you.

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