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Superintendent: Lawsuit, weather put on-time completion of field project in jeopardy

The Lawrence School District is taking no time out in building new athletic fields at Lawrence High School.

November 6, 2008

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A temporary restraining order mandating that construction of athletic fields at Lawrence High School stop doesn't mean the school district will take a time-out on the project.

Construction teams continue to move dirt at the site, and the projects at Free State High School are moving ahead because they were not included in the lawsuit filed by the Centennial Neighborhood Association.

Attorney Pete Curran, who represents the district, said the dirt work - part of installing artificial turf on the football field and replacing the track - is allowed under the lawsuit. The suit targets the special-use permits the district sought to build bleachers, install lights and other athletic facility amenities.

Curran said a hearing is tentatively set for Nov. 14 to argue the district's request to dismiss the suit.

The suit claims the city and school district broke city and state laws by designating the projects under the wrong development code. It also alleges that city and district officials bypassed public discussion of the projects by communicating in private, and that city commissioners prejudged the decision to approve the $10.4 million project in violation of state law.

District officials have said they hope to have all the projects complete by mid-August, with the football and baseball fields finished by mid-February. The lawsuit puts a kink in those plans, Curran said.

"It's disrupting those substantially," he said. "The great concern is that we won't have the contemplated facilities available for the next school year."

Superintendent Randy Weseman said the target dates are probably in jeopardy.

"Obviously, if it doesn't go well in court next week, it could change the whole complexion of the project," he said. "Right now every day is critical. We have to fight the weather, and if we have to fight the weather and a lawsuit, that only doubles the problem."

Comments

gccs14r 6 years, 10 months ago

HS sports is a waste of district funds.

MIke Mallory 6 years, 10 months ago

14, what are you talking about, you must not have had the privledge or ability to compete with a team in high school sports, you have no idea about how sports molds young people and keeps them out of trouble, why dont you get a life.

drillsgt 6 years, 10 months ago

why not just use the big money you have for this project and just get with the Haskell prez and AD and just put the middle priced sprint turf with a walking track around haskell stadium. Im sure Haskell would go for it because they have to pay for the water and all the power used for each game and the clean up, and all the high schools would have to do is show up and play on afield that is ready to go each week, no patches of grass gone, lines visable , shoot if this could happen, haskell might let you play your JV games there. im sure if both sides would set a plan of operations to get on the same page it works out for both sides.Both High schools get to play in a stadium that is old , but it has traditions for all three schools, the neighborhood wont have to worry about noise and trash, and yes, im only talking about football, but i think Haskell's field is big enough for a soccor field so it might just work out for everybody. Just look at the cost it's going to cost us to get this project going, when we pay only 3000 to use Haskell every week, which is cheap..., for under the cost of this whole project it's just a small price to have the middle priced sprint turf put in at Haskell, and you have a stadium that seats 11,000 , has parking close and rest rooms and food for sale, lights, and no clean up ...sounds not to bad to me...eat'em up LHS

d_prowess 6 years, 10 months ago

AND, I am still waiting for someone to post who exactly makes up the Centennial Neighborhood Association. Are they sure there is majority support within the neighborhood for this lawsuit? Where do they get money from to support a lawsuit and if they lose, does everyone in the neighborhood have to pitch in for those costs? I think this would be interesting information and add to the story...

mom_of_three 6 years, 10 months ago

yes, they are in the playoffs, but if they don't win tonight, they are done (which is why I said go lhs). the band isn't marching tonight, and in my experience, the bands only march when the team goes a little farther toward state.

PaulHedges 6 years, 10 months ago

How will traffic be effected when this project is complete? Has that information been given to the public? Was it discussed? Is a more suitable location available to the school district?

d_prowess 6 years, 10 months ago

From 1029's decription of things, LHS must be building a stadium similar to Memorial Stadium! It sounds so huge that it will block out the sun! In all seriousness though, how big can a 4,000 person stadium be (assuming that the stands will be on each side of the field) and how many games will actually be played there over the course of a season? Is this really that big of a deal for anyone that is not just overall grouchy?

mom_of_three 6 years, 10 months ago

Hummer sports complex has a 6000 seat stadium, and it;s a nice one. LHS will not be that big. And Hummer stadium isn't even that big really.

mom_of_three 6 years, 10 months ago

They are not building Memorial stadium next to LHS! Good grief, people.

LHSALLDAWAY 6 years, 10 months ago

I am a student athlete at LHS and this is extremely frustrating. We don't have fields that we can truly call our own..yes soccer, softball, and baseball play at Holcom..but those fields are not ours. They are the cities fields. We would like to have fields at our own school to play on. It would not only be cool to the athletes, but it also keeps student athletes off the road for a short period of time..instead of driving across town to holcom we will be at school..therefore making it saferAlso, It is not fair that FRee state can continue in the construction of their new facilities and we cannot. Just because LHS is an older school doesn't mean we should not be allowed to keep updating our facilities...having a home field should be a privilege to the players that work so hard!I say the athletic fields should continue being built. The people in the neighborhood know they are living by a high school and should know that it is not quite on Game Day or anyday! It is a highschool and there will be noise..they have had the priviledge of having it quite for now..but I say it IS time for change And we SHOULD get OUR fields.

1029 6 years, 10 months ago

What was the problem with just building one nice football stadium somewhere where there was actually room for it?It seems like such an absurd and ridiculous idea to build a stadium at LHS, not to mention a waste of money. Good luck to the people in the surrounding neighborhoods in their attempt to preserve their quality of life and their property values. I'm would imagine people would have a lot of difficulty selling a home that had a massive stadium looming over their backyard, blocking the morning light and casting a shadow over the backyard for most of the day. Plus the noise, lights, and massive, massive amounts of litter. LHS already has a huge problem with trash blowing around all over their property--mostly fast food bags and wrappers. Also, there will be amateur drivers circling neighborhoods competing for limited parking, blocking driveways, etc. Every person who had a hand in "planning" this project should be ashamed at themselves an

gl0ck0wn3r 6 years, 10 months ago

"Richard Heckler (Anonymous) says:Why is this spending taking place considering there is a $45,000,000 tax dollar project on the table in addition to the $14 million dollar project? Where is the hard evidence demonstrating the need for two of everything?"Remember three things: First, Richard has no children in public schools. He home schools... or at least his wife does, Richard is barely literate. Second, Richard never sought this sort of evidence when advocating for the T. As one of the major players in the "grass roots" movement to waste your tax dollars on the T, he happily ignored all factual evidence about that nightmare. Third, Ricard sits on many quasi-governmental boards that recommend all sorts of spending projects. One example: roundabouts. In short, he has no credibility on this subject.

Jackson 6 years, 10 months ago

Free State isn't spending anything - ALL Lawrence taxpayers are being "soaked" for ALL school costs - including the salaries of a witless, uncaring, & spendthrift administration.

somebodynew 6 years, 10 months ago

lshalldaway - You go girl/guy. I agree.

CNA_Resident 6 years, 10 months ago

Amen, Nucleardude and d_prowess. Good post, LHSALLDAWAY.I plan to contact the Lawrence Association of Neighborhoods, and Gwen Klinkenburg, and find out if this group of INDIVIDUALS can represent the Centennial Neighborhood, and what it means when they identify themselves as such in the lawsuit.

mom_of_three 6 years, 10 months ago

since marching band season is over, and football season is almost over, I don't think the band needs anywhere to play outside. they did practice outside one or two nights a week during September. Didn't hear the neighborhood complain then, and the band was using car headlights to light the field at times. Of course, the football team can win (go lhs) and then the band might need a place to practice their show.

KsTwister 6 years, 10 months ago

Looks just like the field we played in as kids.

LHSALLDAWAY 6 years, 10 months ago

they are going to build a football field to seat 4,000 people...not 40,000 peoplehaving a football field should not be this big of a deal...one or two nights of football games a week will not harm the surrounding residence...they could go and enjoy the game themselves...highschool sporting events aren't just for the kids...you see just as many adults at the games..

d_prowess 6 years, 10 months ago

Can someone explain who exactly is on the Centennial Neighborhood Association? And maybe more specifically, who actually made the decision to file a lawsuit? Are there officers of this group, are they voted on, how do they know they represent the majority of the neighborhood? I think it would be interesting if we knew more about this group and how it operates.

mom_of_three 6 years, 10 months ago

You are mentioning a small number of athletes who have gone bad, but there are many more out there who are benefitting from the opportunities that athletics can give you, at any level.

ksdivakat 6 years, 10 months ago

Mom...LHS is in the playoffs....or so I hear...

LHSALLDAWAY 6 years, 10 months ago

I don't understand why the athletes have to suffer from this...we just want a place to call "our home" to play at..we are in highschool and we should have that privilege..we only have 3 years to play wearing red and black as a lion or green and silver as a firebird. we should be able to represent our schools and community out of town and at our OWN home fieldsI don't see FS having any of these issues..and that is not fair to us...Give Us (the athletes) a place to call home and play at..

illinijones 6 years, 10 months ago

Does this group realize that taxpayers will pay for the districts legal cost of this ignorant lawsuit? Or maybe they enjoy the tens of thousands of taxpayer dollars going to Haskell? It is groups like these that make businesses avoid Lawrence. Someone is always complaining, NIMBY!!!! While this is not the perfect solution for the district's embarrasing facilities, it is a start. The kids are ultimately the ones who will suffer. Consider things like this before you move NEXT DOOR TO A LARGE HIGH SCHOOL!!!

d_prowess 6 years, 10 months ago

George: Thanks for that info. So I guess that leads me to ask, how many people actually have paid to join that neighborhood association? I am just trying to figure out if this lawsuit is truly representative of the neighborhood, or just the vocal few that are a part of this group. These are the types of things I hope the LJWorld will report on so people in the community can fully understand the scope of the opposition to this project.

George_Braziller 6 years, 10 months ago

d_prowess --- The Centennial Neighborhood Association is just like any other neighborhood assocation. It's made up of neighbors who live there. You pay a nominal fee to be a member and you get voting rights. Usually for lawsuits there is a group of people who pool their money to cover the cost of an attorney who will work for out-of-pocket expenses. Why don't you just join the association and voice your concerns? I don't even live in Centennial and it seems like the logical answer.

nucleardude 6 years, 10 months ago

It is unfortunate the entire neighborhood is being blamed for the ridiculous lawsuit and delay when there are a very, very small number responsible. When this finally moves forward I certainly hope those responsible for this will have to assume the expense of this delay. I wouldn't doubt the attorneys talking the neighbors into this will get their pay. It kinda smells like that land use attorney that needs to retire that caused some issues and delays on Kasold. I guess how the delay affects our youth and community doesn't matter as long as there is a land use attorney around to convince people to give them a paycheck for a lost cause. This will be built. It is legal and on school property. The concern with the variance has been addressed. Most in the neighborhood want to see this move forward. The ignorance of a small number of the neighborhood can not speak for the majority. Regardless of whether or not they are some big shot professional speaker. I can not imagine what Bob's future audiences would think of him if they knew he was an obstructionist for the youth of the community. I wonder if he even has any children. Let this move forward for our youth without wasting finances fighting the stupidity and ignorance of a few neighbors. The drainage concerns are addressed, sound is addressed, traffic is addressed, lighting is addressed. What is the problem?

Jackson 6 years, 10 months ago

Too bad the 497 administrators and the BOA aren't as interested in scholastics as they are in dupliated sports venues. Wessman and company are trying to sneak $15,000,000.00 capital expenses over on Lawrence Taxpayers without their approval on a bond issue. He shuld be fired, along with the entire board.

SMe 6 years, 10 months ago

gccs14r Here's another to add to the list. The football player who passed me on the shoulder on the right then pulled into my lane forcing me into oncoming traffic. Yea, sports really "molds young people."

Shelley Bock 6 years, 10 months ago

gccs & SMe...those are some very good examples of athletes gone very bad. It's good that you can draw from those individuals the concept that the over 3 million high school student athletes in the US gain no value from extracurricular activities. Do you always do such generalization?Educational studies indicate that students who participate in extracurricular activities...sports, band, choir, forensics, thespians, etc...are far more likely to graduate, do well in their studies and stay out of trouble. Yes, there are some significant examples who fail that standard. But, for the vast majority, they are responsible students and become appropriate citizens.

George_Braziller 6 years, 10 months ago

What about the neighbors who have lived there for 20, 30, or 40 years? They didn't "move next door to a large high school." They were already there. Shouldn't they have some say on how development effects their way of life? Not everyone is a transient college student or short-term resident, lots of us live here full time and for decades.---------------------------------------------------------------illinijones (Anonymous) says: Consider things like this before you move next door to a large high school!!!

MIke Mallory 6 years, 10 months ago

there is 5-6 home football games a year, yeah, it sounds like they are building a domed stadium to block the sun, hey all you tree huggers, how will the trees survive without sunlight, someone go down and protest after you get done celebrating on mass street for your boy ( that one ) NOBAMA!!!!!!!!1

Shelley Bock 6 years, 10 months ago

Merrill asks "Where is the hard evidence demonstrating the need for two of everything?" I'm not as qualified to answer this question as to baseball and softball, but believe that the answers to them is relatively the same as to soccer.Over a season, each high school teams plays 16 games with 7 to 9 home games a season. During the past year, there were 4 or more occassions when both teams were playing in town on the same evening. Games are generally played on Tuesday and Thursday evenings; however, other school schedules will dictate other dates. Schools traveling from Wichita often play on Saturday. Varsity and JV play in a double-header; and then there are Sophomore team games as well. Having one high school play at 5 and the other at 7 wouldn't work. Further, there are times that games get rained out with lightning or snowed out, cold weather. This past boys season, Free State's field was under water and both teams had to play their last game on the last possible date at the same time at YSI. Having two fields made it possible.Lawrence high school competition has a field available for each team. There are 3 dedicated soccer fields and 2 main stadiums where the 5 Shawnee Mission schools play. The Olathe District has 4 fields at ODAC and CBAC for 4 schools, plus fields on campus. Same with the Blue Valley schools.I suspect that in order to handle baseball and softball, there would have to be a field for each high school.Sure, lots of time and effort can be put into a master schedule which would alternate usage. However, something always comes up like choir presentations, band concerts or other activities that require rescheduling. Sports schedules bow to school schedules and not the other way.

gccs14r 6 years, 10 months ago

"you have no idea about how sports molds young people and keeps them out of trouble"OJRyan LeafMichael VickThe Bengalsthe list goes on.

Richard Heckler 6 years, 10 months ago

The bridge to nowhere is a perfect example of why a project should not go forward until the dust has settled. Notice how quickly earth movers were on the scene.No doubt, like the county commisioners, USD 497 powers that be assumed if the project was underway no one would get in the way.I still say this project needs USD 497 voter approval first with all the numbers laid out. The end run around taxpayers stinks.Extravagance is not what makes a team win.Why is this spending taking place considering there is a $45,000,000 tax dollar project on the table in addition to the $14 million dollar project? Where is the hard evidencedemonstrating the need for two of everything?

Carol Bowen 6 years, 10 months ago

Obnoxious comments and ridicule do not support a position or acknowledge other points of view (literally). Take an honest look at the problem. How many Lawrence schools share backyards with homes? Most of our schools are separated from the surrounding residences by open space and streets. There is a lot of open space and a street between residences and the Haskell stadium.Effective in-fill development complements its environs. USD 497 made a mistake by not including the neighborhood in its initial planning. I wonder if there is a better location that would handle the traffic, parking, and the events better. What will the Louisiana and 23rd street intersection be like on game night (or during any of the events, for that matter)? And, 19th and Louisiana? Are we covering up this error with stubbornness? Does it really make sense to create a bee hive of activity in a small quiet neighborhood that happens to have a high school on one of its corners? Should we expect Centennial residents to accept lower property values because of the development? Would you want a 4000 seat stadium in your back yard? Should USD 497 buy the residential real estate out to surrounding streets?

LHSALLDAWAY 6 years, 10 months ago

oh...and I don't understand why everyone keeps bringing the $$ issue up...Free State is spending as much money on this project as we are going to spend...just because they are the newer school doesn't mean they are the only school that gets to spend money..LHS gets to spend the same amount as they do...

George_Braziller 6 years, 10 months ago

So tell us, would you want 4,000 people parking in YOUR neighborhood "one or two nights a week?" If you think that it won't harm the neighborhoods you are sadly mistaken._________LHSALLDAWAY (Anonymous) says: they are going to build a football field to seat 4,000 people:not 40,000 peoplehaving a football field should not be this big of a deal:one or two nights of football games a week will not harm the surrounding residence:they could go and enjoy the game themselves:highschool sporting events aren't just for the kids:you see just as many adults at the games..

ksdivakat 6 years, 10 months ago

my neice is in LHS band, and I hear that, they say when this goes to court, the band will be marching around LHS playing loud until 10p.m which is when the noise ordinance kicks in, then they plan to do it everyday.The fields are not only for the athlets but for the band, as well, now that the "practice" field is trashed and has been for a couple years then it leaves the band no where to practice but to walk the neighborhood and play!

gccs14r 6 years, 10 months ago

I've been told that part of the plan is to ban curbside parking on the streets around LHS to force people to park in the new stadium parking lot.

gl0ck0wn3r 6 years, 9 months ago

The district ought to grade the giant mud pit at about a 10% grade toward the Centennial neighborhood and let it stay that way until the legal problems are over. Enjoy the fun when the first rain washes massive amounts of mud into the neighborhood. Also, douglascountysucks... you might want to look into a ESL program for adults. Clearly you have issues.

gl0ck0wn3r 6 years, 9 months ago

"DouglasCountySucks (Anonymous) says:You should trade your Glock in on a good S&W much better."Ew.

not_dolph 6 years, 9 months ago

Where's Sven been? Must have gotten permanently banned???

Shelley Bock 6 years, 9 months ago

Haskell is not a viable alternative.1. HINU doesn't really want high school there any more. Or if they do, then the cost will be signficantly increased.2. Haskell is in such bad repair that it gives the Sunflower League cause to avoid it. The present surface is dangerous. If there is something besides rising gas prices that will force Lawrence schools out of the Sunflower League, then it is clearly Haskell.3. Why not improve the stadium and playing field? Why not just purchase a F-18 for the Navy? Same principle. Can a local school board divert local funds to build and improve federal property? Would Haskell be willing to sign a long term lease, like 99 years? Would Haskell be willing to improve parking? Is it responsible spending local money on a facility not owned by the district?4. And don't raise the idea of cooperation with KU. That's impossible, based on KU's position of no high schools on our turf.More and more this is beginning to sound like Lawrence High football is fighting this in order to stay at Haskell. Use the community concerns as cover, but keep football at Haskell.

mom_of_three 6 years, 9 months ago

Have any of you, or even Marion, seen the football stadium at HUmmer Sports park? It holds 6000. LHS new field is only for 4000, so it will be smaller. The sun will still shine, and noise only a few nights during the fall. Enjoy the LHS band music - they are good.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 6 years, 9 months ago

"1. HINU doesn't really want high school there any more. Or if they do, then the cost will be signficantly increased."Have you appointed yourself to negotiate on Haskell's behalf?"2. Haskell is in such bad repair that it gives the Sunflower League cause to avoid it."For much less than is being spent on new stadiums, Haskell's stadium's deficiencies could be corrected, and games could continue to be held in a location that can handle the traffic and parking."3. Why not improve the stadium and playing field? Why not just purchase a F-18 for the Navy? Same principle."Hardly. The school district has no need for an F-18. And your assumption that Haskell wouldn't be willing to make a deal appears to have no basis in fact-- you don't supply any, anyway."More and more this is beginning to sound like Lawrence High football is fighting this in order to stay at Haskell. Use the community concerns as cover, but keep football at Haskell."Yea, that little conspiracy would only need to include the entire school board and a majority of the city commission.

Shelley Bock 6 years, 9 months ago

There's only Bozos on this bus..."3. Why not improve the stadium and playing field? Why not just purchase a F-18 for the Navy? Same principle." "Hardly. The school district has no need for an F-18. And your assumption that Haskell wouldn't be willing to make a deal appears to have no basis in fact- you don't supply any, anyway."That's not the point, Bozo. If the local school district wanted to donate $$ to the federal government, why dontate it on an antiquated field / stadium like Haskell? Why not give the Feds an F-18 which they might use?Get the picture. Haskell is not going to be a Sunflower League venue unless it is significantly improved. The rest of the league hates it and considers it unsafe, for participants and fans. Maintain Haskell as the venue and local high schools will be scheduling Baldwin City and Eudora as competition.To improve Haskell, HINU would have to spend millons. Lawrence School board can't spend money on federal property. Get the picture, now.Haskell isn't a viable option.

Boston_Corbett 6 years, 9 months ago

Bozo: it is well known on this forum that you and Merrill own the Great Well of Hyperbole.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 6 years, 9 months ago

" Not to flog a dead horse, but I would point to the SLT litigation, which has cost this community hundreds of millions of dollars."I'd say you flogged it with a great deal of hyperbole.

Boston_Corbett 6 years, 9 months ago

Markoo posts: "f there is indeed merit to these arguments, this is troubling to say the least. Previous articles in the LJWorld on this issue, also demonstrates that the neighbors may have a valid criticism. . . :Hardley Markoo. The disagreement in development definitions between the neighborhood and the school district was well reported and viewable on television. The city staff, school staff, school board, city planning commission, and city commission (minus one) all agreed with the school district's interpretation. It is now up to the Plaintiffs to prove this determination was "unreasonalble, arbitrary, and capricious." A fairly high standard of review. I believe they will lose. Maybe in a motion for dismissal.And implications in a newpaper article are hardly "proof" of much. The Plaintiffs will have to prove their allegations that the public decision making process was 'bypassed.' I for one read lots of articles and saw lots of meetings where the process seemed to be functioning quite well in a very transparent manner. Those things are all a matter of public record. Again, I would not be surprised if the suit is dismissed on first hearing or directed verdict.You seem to argue that frivolous litigation is acceptable any time there is a difference of opinion on a large scope project.I strongly disagree. There is a cost to delaying projects...both the costs of project inflation, and the cost of not benefiting from the improvements. Not to flog a dead horse, but I would point to the SLT litigation, which has cost this community hundreds of millions of dollars. And the community still has not benefited from its completion.

Clickker 6 years, 9 months ago

"I am a student athlete at LHS and this is extremely frustrating. We don't have fields that we can truly call our own..yes soccer, softball, and baseball play at Holcom..but those fields are not ours. They are the cities fields. We would like to have fields at our own school to play on. It would not only be cool to the athletes, but it also keeps student athletes off the road for a short period of time..instead of driving across town to holcom we will be at school..therefore making it safer"Exactly. There have been 4 fatalities on the k-10 bypass ( the way to YSI for soccer) in the past month. It would be nice to not have our HS kids driving to practice day in and day out on this road.

CNA_Resident 6 years, 9 months ago

Just to follow up to a comment posted earlier by George_Braziller - the Centennial Neighborhood Association is made up of some 624 households. Period. The CNA is NOT just made up of dues-paying members. It is represented (and claims in its lawsuit to be comprised of all homes described) by the boundaries outlined in the lawsuit.The CNA is NOT and never has been in a position to vote on ANY matter affecting the neighborhood as a whole without FIRST notifying in writing all residents within its borders of the meeting itself, and MUST allow residents the time to respond, and/or submit an alternative proposal. PERIOD. The dues collected were to pay for printing. All other costs had to be presented to the neighborhood as a proposal PRIOR to voting!The unbelievable audacity the unnamed steering committee members took in citing the Centennial Neighborhood Association as a litigant in this lawsuit is pernicious, illegal, and makes me and everyone else in this neighborhood liable to the court, AS DESCRIBED IN THAT LAWSUIT.And as far as I know, those are the rules for all neighborhood associations defined within the Lawrence Association of Neighborhoods.And I will point out to you again that residents of this neighborhood worked diligently and closely with school district officials twelve years ago to purchase those five acres of land immediately south of Centennial Elementary, and lauded the then-unfunded plans to augment, expand and construct sports facilities for LHS. See, I've KEPT MY NOTES AND THE MINUTES from the days when I was involved as a founding member, and subsequently as Secretary of the CNA in the early to mid-1990's.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 6 years, 9 months ago

Capital outlays are always justified by the amount of rent that they can take in.

Shelley Bock 6 years, 9 months ago

Bozo writes, "Seems to me they've been spending a considerable amount for each game played there, for many years."Hey, Bozo, there's a difference between "rent" and "capital outlay". Rent is for temporary usage, such as a Friday evening between 6 PM and 10 PM. That comes from budgeted operational amounts. I believe that funds for capital outlay is for the structure, accomadations, field, restrooms, locker rooms and possibly parking at a specific location. Operational payments have been made to Haskell for decades. By the way, capital improvements to some athletic facilities haven't been done for decades or for ever.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 6 years, 9 months ago

"Lawrence School board can't spend money on federal property."Seems to me they've been spending a considerable amount for each game played there, for many years. But the per-game amount is about to increase dramatically with the construction of two new stadiums. If the school district were to commit to spending that money instead on improvements to Haskell Stadium, perhaps those improvements could be made, but at a location that would be much better for the neighborhoods surrounding the high schools.The citizens of Lawrence/Douglas County may be OK with a dramatic increase in athletic spending on separate sports venues at the two high schools. Too bad the school board chose not to ask what they think.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 6 years, 9 months ago

"1. This becomes similar to the foot dragging and litigation mess of the SLT"This is only "frivolous" if the only thing you value is pavement and your own personal convenience at someone else's expense.

hail2oldku 6 years, 9 months ago

Haskell has made it clear that they would like to be out of the business of hosting high school football. Ted Juneau has commented about this several times, and as the Haskell AD he is in the position to make that decision. The only reason they haven't done so yet is because they have been waiting on the school board to give the high schools a viable option while allowing Haskell to not appear as the bad guy.

LHSALLDAWAY 6 years, 9 months ago

I'm not trying to say that LHS needs their own multi million dollar stadium..I'm trying to say that in some way both highschools in Lawrence need outdoor athletic facilities (for softball,baseball,football, and soccer) It would be just as good to have one stadium in Lawrence for both LHS and FS to share...out of town schools have shown it is possible to do that..(i.e. Shawnee Schools) but we DO need some kind of athletic facility in town...

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 6 years, 9 months ago

Well, Boston the forum page says the last post was made 25 minutes ago, and that there are 132 posts on this thread. But when you made the above post, which is the last one showing here as I type, it was supposedly #129, and that was nearly three hours ago.This thread is truly haunted, and that isn't hyperbole.

Boston_Corbett 6 years, 9 months ago

Bozo is seeing ghosts again. He is getting dizzy.Maybe he is about to fall down into his Great Well of Hyperbole.

hail2oldku 6 years, 9 months ago

"Why hasn't that news been reported, hail2oldku?"It has been.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 6 years, 9 months ago

Is somebody making posts that are being removed? My last post was made well over an hour ago, but this keeps getting bumped to the top by "phantom" posts.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 6 years, 9 months ago

The only comments from Juneau I have been able to find concerned figuring out how to make it possible for three teams to play on the field. He's made no statements reported in the JW indicating that Haskell wanted to end the high schools' use of the stadium. He has stated the exact opposite, as a matter of fact.

Danimal 6 years, 9 months ago

This sports facility is ridiculous. Trying to shoehorn this thing into the space available is unbelievable. Furthermore I'm surprised that the BOE couldn't find somewhere that they need to spend this kind of money on academics. I played sports in Middle and High School and you know what? There has been almost no benefit from it in my adult life. Our society is so retardedly obsessed with this sort of thing that it's embarrassing. Most kids in the world don't even have schools to go to, and here American kids are crying and sniveling about their school not having a multimillion dollar sports facility, get over it. There's no reasons that these two schools couldn't have shared collocated facilities. Track, tennis and other sports that don't have the spectator draw that football does could probably find enough space at LHS, and a football practice field could have been maintained at that site as well. I just don't know why the community is going to these lengths to build two stadiums. We're probably going to be the only community of less than 100K in Kansas to have four football stadiums. Communities all around us have been through this same situation, but of course Lawrence had to be different. Constantly reinventing the wheel in governance is usually not a sign of innovation, but poor leadership an a lack of managerial ability.

LHSALLDAWAY 6 years, 9 months ago

why can't more people think like Clickker??? there are more things in life that are more important than money...like the lives of the student athletes...:]it is safer to get to a practice at school than a practice that you have to drive across town to reach

gl0ck0wn3r 6 years, 9 months ago

This would be a good time for HINU to start charging a $25,000 per game rental fee and perhaps a $100 per car/game parking fee. That might push the issue forward.

George_Braziller 6 years, 9 months ago

And there are also things in life that are more important than the two or three years that you will be playing sports. After you graduate that will be the end of your association with the field. For Centennial Neighborhood it will be there forever.

Flap Doodle 6 years, 7 months ago

OCD, served up fresh every day by ariadne. If he can't come up with his own drivel, he'll just repost someone else's material. Be cool now.

bearded_gnome 6 years, 7 months ago

so,ariadne/cool/spiderman/coaltrain/spammerman/environ-mental-architect dredges up on old thread, posts no new material. is his goal to get his propaganda out without not-so-greek, snappy, et al giving the truth about him? find "natural buffer" and read the comments. Ariadne is fully exposed there. again, ariadne/cool/spiderman/coaltrain/spammerman et al needs to lay off the high caffeine, or get professional help for his obsessiveness.

deskboy04 6 years, 7 months ago

It does seem like a lot of money to be spending.

Flap Doodle 6 years, 7 months ago

Worth repeating:“15 July 2008 at 9:09 a.m.spiderman (Anonymous) says……i am withdrawing from the forum…”Why did you come back so soon ?

dagger 6 years, 7 months ago

Actually Freestate has alot of neighbors all around them now. They obviously realize that they live by a school that could and will change. LHS neighbors have just been spoiled with years of no growth. Why would the school district remodel Haskell when they dont own it? It makes perfect sense to want facilities that belong to the school. They will get them. It might not be on schedule but they will and I cant wait.

bearded_gnome 6 years, 7 months ago

"how many redundant times can SNAP post ..." rotflmao!!!!! this is so far beyond pot calling kettle black...under other circumstances this would be obvious parody! *oh those 'wingnuts' jump up out of the web and say whatexactly - snap/beo/bg all contribute what to the thread?well, in terms of actual new content, not reposts of reposts, restating of restating, I think I am way ahead of you on this thread tonight Ariadne. plus, I've never been thrown off for violation of the Site's terms of Service. you have, what is it now, ... four times? maybe more? and was my supposition correct as to why you were dredging/reposting on an old thread? apparently so given your reaction. "wingnut?" again, for the third or fourth time, Ariadne/spiderman/coaltrain/cool/spammerman/environ-mental-architect, if I'm a wingnut, you should be able to indicate one definite thing I have posted that is false! you haven't, and have ignored my challenge. yet on the "natural buffer" thread, you maundered all over the place, Ravens, Bush, Pat Roberts, etc. serious problem. and by your post above, apparently you are admitting you are a caffeine addict. thanks for your candor in this. spread it around and others might respect you more. and quit the obsessive posting/reposting.

Flap Doodle 6 years, 7 months ago

Copy/paste, copy/paste, copy/paste. Nothing new here from spiderham.

dagger 6 years, 7 months ago

ariadne, I am able to read your comments on this board just as you are able to read mine. There really is no need to e-mail me. Thank you.

bearded_gnome 6 years, 7 months ago

now bg has officially joined the 'wingut & blather' club(Weseman & Bracciano)sorry bg but you continue to ignore that your posts & others of the W&B club only jab but usually offer nothing at all - not even a repost of information.---okay,what's a "wingut?" Ariadne/spammerman/coaltrain/cool/environ-mental-architect catches me in a typo once and gets all excited, meanwhile he spews spelling errors like CO2! if you read my posts Sven, they primarily focus on you and your posting habits. and, why the LJWorld hasn't pulled your most current screen name. so, I'm in company with Wiessman, nice. unlike you, he is a respectful man who takes his responsibilities seriously. I am flattered. thanks.

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