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The $6,400 question: Should KU Athletics be reimbursed?
Downtown groups asked to pay for post-basketball season changes
Kansas' Darrell Arthur greets thousands of fans during a parade for the National Champion Jayhawks on Sunday, April 13, 2008 in downtown Lawrence, Kan.
May 7, 2008
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KU Athletics officials ask city to help pay for victory celebrations
KU Athletics officials are asking downtown Lawrence and the Chamber of Commerce to fork it over. The University says they should pay the bill for canceling a postseason banquet planned at the Holiday Inn. Enlarge video
2008 National Championship Parade
The weeklong celebration that engulfed Lawrence after the Kansas University Jayhawks won the national basketball championship didn’t come without a price.
The final tally: more than $130,000 for the city and KU, most of it spent on police.
And now, the athletics department is asking two economic development groups to pick up a $6,400 bill. That’s the athletics department’s cost for canceling a planned intimate banquet for players and select donors at the Holiday Inn Holidome. Instead, the department had a parade and public celebration at Allen Fieldhouse.
In an e-mail sent to two leaders of the Lawrence Chamber of Commerce and Downtown Lawrence Inc., associate athletic director Jim Marchiony asked “if the Chamber and Downtown Lawrence would team up to pay this invoice.”
Attached was the athletics department’s $6,400 cancellation bill from the Holidome.
The chamber and Downtown Lawrence encouraged the athletics department to have a parade to celebrate KU’s National Championship victory.
Jane Pennington, director of Downtown Lawrence Inc., said the issue would be taken up by its board this morning, at a previously scheduled meeting.
“We’ll see what the board thinks then,” Pennington said. “We were surprised. It’s the first time we’ve ever had a request like this, that I know of.”
Chuck Warner, CEO of the chamber of commerce, didn’t return messages seeking comment.
Marchiony said the banquet at the Holidome, first tried last year, was to be an opportunity for the team and select donors to celebrate the season. In the end, it was determined a much larger celebration was appropriate.
Because of the positive exposure generated for Lawrence, Marchiony said Tuesday the department felt it was reasonable to ask the chamber and DLI to share the costs of changing plans.
“We thought it was a small investment the city and downtown Lawrence could make for bringing 100,000 people downtown,” Marchiony said.
The $6,400 was a prorated portion of the original bill Kansas Athletics expected to pay to have the dinner at the Holidome. In previous years, the end-of-season banquets also have been set at the Kansas Union ballroom and the Lied Center.
A Journal-World/6News Open Records request showed in the run-up to the championship and the week after:
• About $77,000 was spent by KU on public safety, transportation, facilities and advertising. Among the largest expenditures were $36,531 by the Public Safety Office for games four, five and six, as well as the April 8 homecoming celebration at Memorial Stadium and the April 13 parade. The athletics department paid $32,000 for events at Allen Fieldhouse and Memorial Stadium.
• The city spent $29,052 for the police department and $14,281 for fire and medical services. Of the police department’s total, more than $7,000 was for food and lodging for police officers from other jurisdictions who helped with crowd control. About $10,000 more was spent by the Public Works and Parks and Recreation departments.
7 May 2008 at 5:51 a.m.
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Keith (Anonymous) says…
What prevented them from having the banquet in addition to the other festivities? Would 'select donors' not pony up after their special access had been cheapened by the public parade and celebration? Tell em no, they owe us at least as much for moving the football game to Arrowhead.
7 May 2008 at 6:07 a.m.
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Marion (Marion Lynn) says…
Some “sport”, that KU basketball!
7 May 2008 at 6:51 a.m.
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absolutelyridiculous (Anonymous) says…
After the city spent $60,333, I think KU Athletics can afford to pay up. They spend that on t-shirts for football games. Common Jim M. This is kinda petty don't you think?
7 May 2008 at 6:59 a.m.
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cowboy (Anonymous) says…
You really have to be kidding , no really , Marchiony is not this stupid . The Conneticut mafia would like you to pay a small tribute to “Uncle Lew ” cuz yous nevers knows whats coulds happens to yous goodfellas.
Who ever generated this idea , email , or approach , should be fired immediately including Lew. This petty behavior by the Athletic Department should be dealt with.
7 May 2008 at 7:02 a.m.
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SFBayhawk (Anonymous) says…
When is someone in this town gonna stand up to these bullies?
7 May 2008 at 7:22 a.m.
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wysiwyg69 (Anonymous) says…
hell no! they still could have had their party at the dome, after the 15 minute parade….. plumberscrack, I will see your Mario Little, another championship, and raise you a Victor Mitchell
7 May 2008 at 7:52 a.m.
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jonas (Anonymous) says…
If the exposure continues, they'll undoubtedly rescind the request. It does seem a little petty.
7 May 2008 at 7:58 a.m.
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nobody1793 (Anonymous) says…
Next time, maybe you all won't ask for a parade. I didn't.
7 May 2008 at 8:04 a.m.
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hawkperchedatriverfront (Anonymous) says…
Is this how the east coast mob does it? Dever needs to get off his backside and send Lew Perkins a bill for city cleanup after football and basketball games. Or BETTER yet, let's have a sales tax on all athletic tickets to raise money for Lawrence streets and police service. It will be called a Stadium tax/Fieldhouse tax and shall be 10%. Put that to a vote.
7 May 2008 at 8:05 a.m.
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cowboy (Anonymous) says…
Press Release :
Jim Marchiony today announced plans to install coin receptors in the left ears of all KU athletes. Want to say hello , 50 cents , shake hands 75 cents , autograph 2 dollars , congratulate on National Championship 6400 dollars. By the way , no change is returned
7 May 2008 at 8:06 a.m.
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Write2Know (Anonymous) says…
The negative PR from this has to cost them more than $6400. Somebody needs to get their head screwed on straight.
7 May 2008 at 8:08 a.m.
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frazzled (Anonymous) says…
As a KU employee (not of the athletic department), I'm embarrassed. This request is tacky in the extreme. Who came up with the idea of a private banquet instead of a parade in the first place? Didn't they realize folks in Lawrence would want to celebrate? This should have been an opportunity to help town-gown relations, not harm them.
7 May 2008 at 8:10 a.m.
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ontheotherhand (Anonymous) says…
The request seems tacky even though I understand why KU Athletics might ask. Still, you would think that when Downtown Lawrence and the Chamber were begging KU Athletics to have a parade, Jim M would have said, “Ok, but we have another $6400 commitment so if you want the parade, help us pay for this prior commitment.”
I have never seen a university that gives so much power to its athletic dept. Everything comes from KU Athletics and never from the Chancellor's office. Strange.
7 May 2008 at 8:11 a.m.
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Coach_Eric (Anonymous) says…
Tell ya what, Mr. Marchiony, as soon as you repay Lawrence businesses what they lost when you took the “Border War” out of Lawrence, you can then have your $6,400 pittance.
Is anyone else astounded that this jerk still has a job? The department must cringe whenever he opens his mouth. He first tells people that they must have a ticket for their child (no matter the age) if they want to go to a football game (which kept at least four of my friends from buying season tickets); he tells the city and fans “we will celebrate how we want to celebrate” with regards to the parade; he tells sports radio on air that Self has not met with Perkins regarding an extension, when he already told Bedore about the same meeting; and now he asks the city, in addition to other expenses incurred, to pay a paltry, “unit” measuring contest sum of $6,400. When is enough enough with this joker?
I feel fortunate to know Chuck Warner, and I sure as hell hope he tells him (Marchiony) to take a long walk off a short cliff. Marchiony is nothing but an ingrate, and the sooner he realizes the benefit of partnering with the city of Lawrence instead of fighting with it, the better.
7 May 2008 at 8:12 a.m.
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hip_gma (Anonymous) says…
Heck no! What's more important—a parade due to a national championship or a banquet? Ask Doug Compton for the money
7 May 2008 at 8:12 a.m.
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Godot (Anonymous) says…
The city and the affected organizations should subtract the $6400 from the bill they send KU Athletics for the sales the businesses lost when Perkins moved the KU MU game to Arrowhead.
7 May 2008 at 8:14 a.m.
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Pogo (Anonymous) says…
frazzled noted: “Didn't they realize folks in Lawrence would want to celebrate?”
No. An excuse to drink alcohol is what was being sought.
I like this idea of a City of Lawrence tax on the selling of sporting event tickets. Perhaps it could be limited to ONLY the basketball and football games. Yes, it's a good idea.
7 May 2008 at 8:16 a.m.
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Eride (Anonymous) says…
It is tacky because the request is such a small amount of money when KU Athletics pulled in millions during the title run.
7 May 2008 at 8:16 a.m.
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takeastand (Anonymous) says…
How do you know they could have still had the party at the Holidom. Maybe the Holidom had something else planned?
7 May 2008 at 8:18 a.m.
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GIHAWK (Anonymous) says…
KU Athletics is really hurting for that whopping $6400!
7 May 2008 at 8:24 a.m.
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trvlronda (Anonymous) says…
How much did KU receive for winning the National Championship? and the city? Hmmm…I think the athletic department could cover the bill.
BTW: the holidome event was not free—there were tickets sold to a select few. In addition, the event was scheduled for the evening—would not have interfered with the parade. Although getting in AFH was free—concessions inside were not without cost. I think the amount of people at AFH more than covered the “lost” money from the holidome event —for about 500 people.
7 May 2008 at 8:25 a.m.
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bluerose (Anonymous) says…
what pigs. ku Athletics should be ashamed.
i hope downtown lawrence doesn't cave in to that $#@%%^.
seriously, the cleanup after those “classy” celebrations must have cost that much.
7 May 2008 at 8:25 a.m.
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jayhawks911 (Anonymous) says…
Loved the parade and KU staff should have foreseen the need for it. KU can afford cover their own missteps
7 May 2008 at 8:29 a.m.
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lily (Anonymous) says…
Was the banquet scheduled for the same time as the parade? If not then why didn't they have both. An “intimate” gathering for the big donors has nothing to do with the parade. I'm sure those big donors were in the parade because you know they didn't get anywhere early enough to have a front row seat.
This is petty and gives a bad name to KUAC. The city already had a big bill before the parade. And they took on the cost of the parade and didn't ask Athletics to pitch in.
I guess this is big business. I wonder if the Chancellor approved that request?
7 May 2008 at 8:32 a.m.
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Poon (Anonymous) says…
New KU Slogan: Muck Fizzou and Larryville too!
7 May 2008 at 8:33 a.m.
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Poon (Anonymous) says…
Actually, no don't Muck Fizzou - just move the football game to their state.
7 May 2008 at 8:34 a.m.
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KSChick1 (Anonymous) says…
jayhawks911 (Anonymous) says…
Loved the parade and KU staff should have foreseen the need for it. KU can afford cover their own missteps
KU Staff didn't have anything to do with this. You are talking about administration. Not only that, but the Athletics Corporation is a separate entity from KU. If you work at the Ath. Corp. you are their employee, not a state employee like the rest of the staff at KU, your time does not count towards KPERS retirement, and you are not governed by KU.
Wish everyone would get the info right before you start bashing people who don't have anything to do with this.
7 May 2008 at 8:35 a.m.
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seriouscat (Anonymous) says…
Oh man, between this and that jackass Neufeld accusing Sebelius of bribing people for anti coal plant votes I haven't laughed this hard at the news in ages.
This behavior is what I consider grown up tantrums. Way to paint yourselves into the “I'm an arrogant prick” corner guys!
7 May 2008 at 8:41 a.m.
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beawolf (Anonymous) says…
The KU Athletic budget is over $50M. $6,500 is not going to break the bank. Mangino's food allowance per month is more than that.
7 May 2008 at 8:41 a.m.
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The_Original_Bob (Anonymous) says…
I'm not going to pretend I know a whole bunch about Marchiony, but what I do know leads me to believe he is really, really bad at his job from a PR angle. $6400? Is he serious? Not to mention he didn't want to have the parade in the first place.
7 May 2008 at 8:42 a.m.
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BalkansHawk (Anonymous) says…
As a very proud KU alum, and a rabid sports fan, I too am embarrassed by this request from our athletic department. If it wasn't for what I just said, I would be speechless.
7 May 2008 at 8:48 a.m.
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BalkansHawk (Anonymous) says…
As a very proud KU alum, and a rabid sports fan, I too am embarrassed by this request from our athletic department. If it wasn't for what I just said, I would be speechless.
Very well said, BalkansHawk. I feel ashamed that certain individuals within the Athletics Corporation consistently sound like they are attempting to start a town versus gown war. This would be a war with no victors, only losers. Rock Chalk Jayhawk.
7 May 2008 at 8:59 a.m.
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simplyamazed (Anonymous) says…
Who scheduled the parade for Sunday anyways? It could have been done on Saturday and not interfered with their elbow rubbing with a few “select” donors. If you ask me, the residents of Lawrence and Douglas County are the biggest donors with all the BS we put up with after such games. And yes the rewards are going to be priceless for KU winning the National Championship, but they won't release that info to us, will they? What a whinner JM.
7 May 2008 at 9 a.m.
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ralphralph (Anonymous) says…
Puck Ferkins!
7 May 2008 at 9:01 a.m.
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DonQuipunch (Anonymous) says…
Dear KU:
Deeze Nutz.
Sincerely,
Lawrence Taxpayer
7 May 2008 at 9:02 a.m.
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mrkuwick (Anonymous) says…
The banquet at the Holidome was scheduled before the teams run in the tourney. Invitations were sent to all Williams Funders to purchase tickets for the event at $13 a piece. I may be wrong but I don't think those who purchased tickets before plans changed got their money back. I wonder if they deducted that profit from the $6,400 fee.
7 May 2008 at 9:04 a.m.
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JimmyJoeBob (Anonymous) says…
Why didn't Marchiony plan the parade for the day before or after the night of the banquet. Piss poor planning on his part should not constitue and emergency on Lawrence.
7 May 2008 at 9:05 a.m.
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mechman (Anonymous) says…
just have lpd,lfd,dcas, & public works send this BOZO a bill for each football & basketball game that we have to have covered!!!!!!also get them a bill from KHP for their troops.
7 May 2008 at 9:07 a.m.
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Godot (Anonymous) says…
Wonder why this conflict in plans, and the $6400 cancellation fee, was not discussed prior to working out the parade plans with the city? This does not make any sense.
7 May 2008 at 9:12 a.m.
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Take_a_letter_Maria (Anonymous) says…
While I will agree with everyone regarding how tacky this request is, I will take some exception with those that think downtown should subtract this amount from what the university “owes” downtown for moving the game to Camarowhead. It seems to me that this parade, that KUAC didn't want to have in the first place, brought a hell of a lot more people into downtown for as long or longer period of time then they would have spent down there for the football game. The bars and eating establishments that were the most “harmed” by the move were so packed during the parade that they had a hard time keeping up with the orders.
As for the costs of the clean-up, that is not the university's fault either IMO. The downtown group did a great job of promoting itself as the destination to watch the tournament games - eat, drink and be merry. That aftermath is a direct result of those promotional efforts. In 1988, the hill was the place to be and the university took the brundt of the costs for clean-up & repair.
So yes, shame on KUAC for making this request in the first place, but also shame on some of you for placing blame in the wrong area for some of the other “activities”.
7 May 2008 at 9:14 a.m.
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wildsun22 (Anonymous) says…
sick and wrong. i can't believe this. everybody has excellent points. except marchiony. what? we should feel such graditude that they had a parade to celebrate one of the best victories in all of athletics. what ever… ya something like that should be a small banquette for high rollers. i'm impressed 6500 would get you in the door. bitching about 6500 dollars after a national championship. amazing..
7 May 2008 at 9:16 a.m.
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PeteJayhawk (Anonymous) says…
Hey, it's the anti-sports lunatic fringe. Good to see you all chiming in today. Back to your trailers to stew in your lifelong bitterness, now - time's just about up on the library computer.
7 May 2008 at 9:20 a.m.
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downTownie333 (Lisa Roberts) says…
No no no no no no no no no no no no, the Athletic Depatment should pay for it.
The city and its citizens have spent enough. I can't tell you how much garbage I cleaned up out of my yard and neighborhood because of this thing, maybe I should send a bill to both the city and the Athletic Department. Cleaning crews are pricey.
Maybe one of the loaded affiliates should take the 6 and a half g's out of their pockets…I know they have the money. If the athletic Department gets enough money that they can afford to buy cars and other perks for coaches and their wives, then they can afford to pay for their mistake. They knew the banquet would cost too much so they cancelled. Learn from it, dudes.
I can't tell you how many times students and professors at the Art Department (where I work-and I am sure it isn't the only depatment/school/professors that do this) takes money out of their own pockets so the class can even take place and be worth while. The athletes get free shoes, sweats, training, etc-and they aren't even getting a degree in football or basketball-it is extra curricular. The art students (and others) have to struggle just to buy supplies, and I have seen many professors shell out cold hard cash to their students to help them out.
If the Chamber of Commerce or the city pays this bill, I will be knocking on their door, and I don't care if it makes a difference.
7 May 2008 at 9:23 a.m.
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oldschool (Anonymous) says…
Bottom line…Lew and his gang didn't think we would win and got caught flat footed when we did. No contingency planning was bothered with.
7 May 2008 at 9:24 a.m.
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ilovelucy (Anonymous) says…
Why doesn't everyone posting on this board also write a letter to Lew, Marchiony & the Chancellor? That's what I plan to do. Maybe the server will crash with the influx of mail.
jmarch@ku.edu
kuathletics@ku.edu
chancellor@ku.edu
7 May 2008 at 9:28 a.m.
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coolmarv (Anonymous) says…
I guess the saying “it doesn't hurt to ask” applies here, if you don't mind looking like a total jerk. I am a big college ball fan and have been a KU fan for nearly 25 years but crap like this just really turns me off. Sometimes you feel like packing up all your t-shirts, posters, autographed souvenirs, etc and just dropping them off at the athletic department door and say thanks but no thanks.
7 May 2008 at 9:31 a.m.
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rlmtyco (Anonymous) says…
I cant believe this
7 May 2008 at 9:31 a.m.
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Easy_Does_It (Anonymous) says…
We are fools for showing up for any KU sporting event. It is all about the select few who were to attend the dinner. Not the fans who buy the shirts, not the students who go to class with the athletes.
The students could and should vote with their feet, if they did not show to football or basketball games the folks sitting behind the glass would feel it. It would no longer be a college event but the crappy pro event it actually is. The money would soon dry up and some sanity could be restored.
I love college athletics, but this is just out of hand. Pigs that hang out begging for more should themselves become the next meal.
7 May 2008 at 9:33 a.m.
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BalkansHawk (Anonymous) says…
Take_a_letter_Maria
So take a letter, Maria, (da-da-da-dat-da),
address it to my wife. (dat-dat-dat-dat-da),
Say I won't be coming home,
gonna start a new life. (dat-da-dat-da)
So take a letter Maria, (da-da-da-dat-da)
address it to my wife. (dat-dat-dat-dat-da)
Send a copy to my lawyer,
gotta start a new life. (dat-da-dat-da)
I love that song.
7 May 2008 at 9:42 a.m.
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naturalist (Anonymous) says…
Marchiony is an embarrassment. He didn't want to have the parade in the first place, probably because of the conflicting banquet with his cronies. He would seem to be more interested in his elite banquet goers than the entire town of Lawrence and surrounding areas, who are huge Jayhawk basketball fans and supporters that turned out for the parade. The guy should keep his mouth shut and ask his elite banquet goers to pay the $6400. The city has footed enough of the bill and thus shown huge support for KU Athletics.
7 May 2008 at 9:43 a.m.
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Rancho (Anonymous) says…
DLI is a non-profit organization supported by $350 dues from merchants who join and some support from the city. Go pick on somebody else Lew.
7 May 2008 at 9:43 a.m.
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Marion (Marion Lynn) says…
Gee and how many times on this very forum have I written that “sports” at KU are no langer “sports” but merely Big Business masquerading?
And how many times have I been pilloried by other posters for such statements?
Tell you what the city should do………………………..
The city should set up toll booths on city owned streets, just on the city side of all roads which connect to campus and charge a toll to get on and off campus via those city streets.
See how Mariphony likes *THAT* !
7 May 2008 at 9:47 a.m.
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flyin_squirrel (Anonymous) says…
How about charging the Athletic department for the Police and Fire during KU football and basketball games. KU does not pay the city a dime for Police and Fire during athletic events. If they want us to pay for their cancelled banquet, start charging for services during their games.
7 May 2008 at 9:49 a.m.
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kansasethics (Anonymous) says…
Sounds like Lew runs an open tab for the KU Police, City Police and firefighters.
What a great way to supplement an organizations budget. I thought we hired police to do this stuff already.
If the police demand payment by the hour, maybe KU should hire Mil-Spec.
7 May 2008 at 9:50 a.m.
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ebbenji (Eric Beightel) says…
Downtotownie: “The city and its citizens have spent enough. I can't tell you how much garbage I cleaned up out of my yard and neighborhood because of this thing, maybe I should send a bill to both the city and the Athletic Department.”
I'm sorry, did the KUAC host a game in your yard? How could you possibly place ANY blame on KUAC for the transgressions of their fans? There is no argument that you could possibly make that would appropriately place any responsibility on KUAC for anything that happened to you or your property while the team was competing in the Final Four in san antonio, tx.
Is Marchiony a ninny for requesting reimbursement? Sure. But that's the end of it. There is no reason for KUAC to pay for any of the police or EMS services provided by the city for crowd control during their incredible NCAA run. The University has ZERO control over what it's fans do downtown while the team is in San Antonio. Hell, they have no responsibility for anything other than traffic and crowd control entering or exiting the fieldhouse or Stadium before and after home games. That's it.
If the Royals or Chiefs were to make it to the playoffs (not anytime soon methinks) and Downtown became a hotbed of drinking and partying as everyone watched the teams progress, would you suggest sending a bill to either organization requesting payment for policing their fans? Yeah, not so much.
It was d*ck move by JM but this crap about KU being on the hook for anything as a result of their championship run is idiotic.
7 May 2008 at 10 a.m.
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coolmom (Anonymous) says…
How sad. i am a born and raised jayhawk and proud to be one. on the evening we won the championship i ordered shirts sent to my neices and nephews around the country with great pride and fully half of the sweatshirts came with blurring and mistakes ordered off a k.u approved site. i think they can take the 6400 and shove it. i cant it was worth the hard feelings this will generate. sigh. i hate when business interferes with my happy jayhawk memories.
7 May 2008 at 10 a.m.
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ksjhawks (Anonymous) says…
This is a poor PR move by Lew. There is not one good reason for the KUAD to ask for reimbursement.
7 May 2008 at 10:12 a.m.
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JOEHAWK (Anonymous) says…
Just plain tacky.
7 May 2008 at 10:21 a.m.
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workinghard (Anonymous) says…
ebbenji–Sorry have to go with downtownie on this one. More than likely it was KU students that caused the damage. Homeowners in the path of their destruction had to pick up the tab for damages. They have a right to be unhappy about it, won't do them much good, but it is still their right. Many of the students that night showed little respect for other peoples property, winning did not give them the right to cause damage, they took it. But that is all water under the bridge, but for KU to add insult to injury, downtownie is within his/her right to complain even if you don't agree. Of course this is America and we have the right of freedom of speech so you get to disagree just as others have the freedom to disagree with your views.
7 May 2008 at 10:31 a.m.
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ebbenji (Eric Beightel) says…
Workinghard -
It doesn't matter who it was who disrespected people's property (and I'm in no way supporting those acts); it is not KU's responsibility. There may have been a majority of KU students but I'm willing to bet there were a fair share of recent grads or high schoolers or out of towners just looking to party down there.
Sure people have a right to be pissed their yard got trashed. I won't disagree with that but to assess blame on the Athletic Department is foolish.
7 May 2008 at 10:32 a.m.
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