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Neighbors raise concerns about LHS field work

Neighbors near Lawrence High School are happy about a series of athletic field improvements in the works.

June 18, 2008


Past Event
Public meeting on LHS field improvements

  • When: Tuesday, July 1, 2008, 6:30 p.m.
  • Where: Lawrence High School, 1901 Louisiana St., Lawrence
  • More on this event....

Summer construction

Heavy rains can raise alarm bells for neighbors who live near Lawrence High School.

That's why Centennial Neighborhood residents have taken an interest in the school district's plans to overhaul the LHS campus and add artificial turf athletic fields.

"What we're really trying to encourage the district to do is to put a drainage system between property owners and their playing fields," said Sven Alstrom, whose backyard will be a few feet from a planned new softball field.

Their main concern is that a change to the landscape could escalate drainage issues, especially on land southwest of the school. If several inches of rain fall in a short amount of time, water builds up in a swale in that area.

School district leaders said new turf fields - including a possible football and soccer stadium - will have an engineered drainage system that will route water to the city's stormwater system instead of current grass fields. Later, the district also plans to separately fix drainage issues with the swale, said Tom Bracciano, division director for operations and facility planning.

"Without (this project), we probably would not be able to do these drainage improvements, and while we're here on site, we do want to be good neighbors, and we'd like to fix the problem," he said.

One major concern for neighbors is that the new stadium will be built before a solution is in place for the swale, Alstrom said.

Matt Bond, the city's stormwater engineer, said preliminary plans show the new fields would help route water back to the east, away from Alabama Street.

"I think this is going to be a good thing for the neighborhood, as far as drainage is concerned," he said.

A public meeting on the improvements will be at 6 p.m. Thursday at the LHS cafeteria, 1901 La.

School district leaders are waiting for audit results on a number of projects, including the LHS and Free State High School athletic field improvements. Instead of seeking a bond issue or capital outlay tax increase, the district is trying to finance improvements by using energy-efficient methods, such as putting down turf to save on mowing, watering and fertilizing.

Administrators hope to install turf fields at each high school - estimated to cost $2.8 million total - and be ready sometime this fall for football season. School board members will likely consider the projects at their July 7 meeting.

The tight timeline concerns neighbors because they don't want it to make drainage issues worse. Bracciano said the district is confident that won't happen, but he said administrators are also trying to time improvements to mesh with sports seasons.

Scott McCullough, the city's director of planning and development services, said the city must review site plans for each project.

"That made me feel really good that there's some accountability," said Tom Harper, a member of Centennial Neighborhood's steering committee.

The feeling seems to be mixed among neighbors. They are happy for LHS to have more fields on campus, but they're concerned about more people on school grounds in the evenings.

"We're concerned about the noise issue and the water issue and the light issue," said Joan Stevenson, who lives in the 2000 block of Alabama Street.

The school district has kept the lines of communication open, but neighbors still want to keep an eye on the process.

"I don't feel there's a rally cry to oppose this. It's more of a 'so be it, but don't do harm,'" Harper said.


Oracle_of_Rhode 9 years, 11 months ago

This is ridiculous. Keep the grass. Hire some new teachers instead of building a freaking stadium for high school sports. How out of whack are these priorities? Unless LHS is the number one public academic institution in the state, it should focus on its core mission of educating our kids. Instead it plans to become a sports complex.

Richard Heckler 9 years, 11 months ago

Central Junior High Exterior needs some rehabilitation.Too bad this money cannot be spent on salaries as well.

Shelley Bock 9 years, 11 months ago

It is ridiculous to argue that athletics aren't part of the complete high school education package. Those students involved in extra-curricular activities make dumb (generally) decisions that get them into trouble. Those students who aren't in athletics or other activities make terrible decisions. This is clearly the case in juvenile prosecutions.The Blue Valley high schools are recognized as being the best academic in the State. They also have some of the top athletic facilities in the state. The academic process engages more students when all of the extra-curricular activities are present, safe and positive. There is a relationship.The school district is simply trying to keep facilities from being so crude that they are rejected as being dangerous.

honestone 9 years, 11 months ago

Does anyone know how much money Blue Valley has vs LHS? Could this be a factor???

GSWtotheheart 9 years, 11 months ago

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GSWtotheheart 9 years, 11 months ago

I also want to point out that I think Drug Compton is one of the best screen names I have ever seen!!!!!

KU_Dude 9 years, 11 months ago

I think the school district should make all of the water drain directly to Sven aka Cool's house. That way he'll be able to reuse it and live "green" like he always talks about.

VTHawk 9 years, 11 months ago

According to NCES (National Center for Educational Statistics) nces.ed.govShawnee Mission: $8,600 per pupilNational Average: $9,266 per pupilUSD 497: $9,381 per pupilBlue Valley: $11,286 per pupilThe cost of living in Lawrence is right at the national average, so expenditures are right above the national average.

BrianR 9 years, 11 months ago

"The Blue Valley high schools are recognized as being the best academic in the State."With all the book burnin' Nazis assailing the district, I'm surprised Blue Valley is still accredited.

Flap Doodle 9 years, 11 months ago

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GSWtotheheart 9 years, 11 months ago

Thanks for suggesting removal of our posts Cool.Censorship at its finest.It's kind of cute how you think that doing that and then immediately posting something about how we need to stay on topic, will divert us from your usual posts masking behind the fake Oread Inn link you perpetuate.I ask again, how does any of this fit into the Yellowhouse conspiracy? Cause you know you think it does.

KU_Dude 9 years, 11 months ago

The parking's already ready. Don't they just park on the grass at Haskell?

Stephen Roberts 9 years, 11 months ago

Isn't it nice that the district says they are closing Centennial, then use it for a virtual school ,a nd then propose to use all of the land to build a stadium. Wow Randy WEASELMAN is a genius. he lied about using the land for a sports complex. I guess I should expect that from this guy with questionable morals. I was told about from past from someone who knew him very well.

GSWtotheheart 9 years, 11 months ago

They even have the word "Neighbors" in the headline...see, it's a Yellowhouse conspiracy!!!!!!!!!!!

KU_Dude 9 years, 11 months ago

I guess everything does go downhill, huh Sven?

maxcrabb 9 years, 11 months ago

One of the only parts of LHS I enjoyed was soccer. We either drove over to Holcomb park to practice or played in that poor excuse for a dirt field next to the Online School (Centennial?). We played our games (and they still do) out at YSI, which had torn up fields because every other soccer team in Lawrence ages 16 and down played there as well.I think it's awesome they may actually improve the conditions for a team that's gotten the shaft for so many years. Just get the drainage right.(But really, who doesn't need some new drain tile in Lawrence? Everyone's got those problems in a flat land area...)

VTHawk 9 years, 11 months ago

Kansas spends an average of $8788 per pupil, which is about on par with our neighboring states. Here is a link to that particular dataset:

KU_Dude 9 years, 10 months ago

Welcome back Cool....I mean Sven....I mean welcome to the board Spiderman.

Flap Doodle 8 years, 12 months ago

Relax and have a popsicle, bronze. It's a cool and fruity treat on a spring day.

Boston_Corbett 8 years, 12 months ago

Oh God. What a trip down memory lane.... Remember when Ariadne/Bronze/Cool, and Marion (who had not yet attained his expertise in flu pandemics, snake infestations, or trade routes, how the people of Lawrence were going to rise up and "storm the polls" (all fifteen percent of the people, I think he meant), at election time?

Comments after the settlement: ... (really just a folding of Bronze's tent because he friends no long wanted to finance his personal park preservation effort):

Boston_Corbett 8 years, 12 months ago

Marion (Marion Lynn) says…

I think what ariadne is trying to tell you is . . .that the score will be settled come election day when the outrage voters storm the polls, at not one election but two!

___- Marion (Marion Lynn) says…

A few of you halfwits are so busy with your attacks on one poster that you have lost sight of the fact that a group of ordinary citizens brought government to its knees and forced a settlement. . .


Katara 8 years, 12 months ago

Machiavelli_mania (Anonymous) says…

Raven, insulting others, the need to put people down, is a hallmark of alcoholism. Assess this in yourself, will you? ~~~~~~~~~~~~ Seems to me that perhaps you should do the same. Unless you believe strongly implying that someone suffers from alcoholism is a compliment?

It sure does crack me up when people try to take a morally superior position and then violate it in the same post. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Bronze had made some claims to be associated and well known in a couple of local groups that have no clue he exists and are definitely very unhappy that he has chosen to associate their name with a cause they do not support.

He has been caught in so many easily verifiable lies on this board, no matter what username he happens to be under. Lies that affect the community and those who actually own property in the area. This is wrong.

Katara 8 years, 12 months ago

bronze (Anonymous) says…

katara - excuse me but you are 'cranking up the snark' factor once again.

groups that someone is associated with?

and that would be most likely citizen groups around LHS & CVS which is after all the topic here.

YES, there has been more flooding this year of adjacent properties.

was this the most rainfall since 1954 near LHS?



perimeter drainage is worse than before near athletic fields, which will result in more potholes on Alabama between 19th & 21street and more maintenance costs fo the city. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ You've dropped Dave Strano's name and Solidarity's name a few times. He has no idea who you are and is not happy that you use his name or their group's name so cavalierly.

Pro-tip: When very heavy rains occur, there is a significant increase in the chance of flooding everywhere.

Hint: We have had a lot of rain lately.

Katara 8 years, 12 months ago

bronze (Anonymous) says…

again Katara - your snarking is absurd.

the only matters that are relevant to the athletic fields at LHS & CVS are the local neighborhood groups which reached a settlement with the School District & City.

the settlement does state that future damages as a result of poor drainage or other damages that may occur will allow the recovery of 'reasonable attorney fees' should those damages occur.

therefore it is in the best interest of USD 497 to get the perimeter drainage right, at both CVS & LHS! ~~~~~~~~~~~~ I'm glad you have learned a "new" internet word, bronze. It shows you are hip and with the times.

BTW, the "settlement" (that you kept denying existed when people questioned you about it) only applies to actual property owners. That class does not include you, bronze.

Stephen Roberts 8 years, 12 months ago

Don't any of you get it? Randy and his henchman, don't care what you think. I haven't been to a meeting tha I have felt the board and Wesealman have already made up their mind.

It goes back to when Austin Turney pushed to have Weaselman become the Sup. of Lawrence without going through a search. Since then Wesealman has been waiting for Turney to cash in that favor and boy did Austin. Austin wanted to save Cordely at all costs.

Katara 8 years, 12 months ago

Machiavelli_mania (Anonymous) says…

In this case, Katara, I am in a morally superior position, having been born into a prohibitionist family. Once I thought their stance was insane. Then I came to alcohol-steeped Lawrence and found the family tradition to be the moral one.

And you?

Your information of Bronze is totally wasted on me. We all lie, and lying is fashionable. All you guys do here is bash. Personally, I don't find aping Limbaugh to be all that honorable, as you all are doing, because I don't like the addict, for his behavior stems from being an addict, and addicts love him.

Who is taking the moral stance on lying? Maybe you lie. I have no way of knowing, while highly unlikely to believe you.

I don't think this athletic field is worth tax-payer dollars. I think there is a better way to spend this money. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ You can believe in your moral superiority all you like. It does not make it to be true. Your words indicate hypocrisy which indicate an insincere belief in your "moral superiority". It is difficult to take hypocrites seriously and even less seriously than someone who lies. At least, the liar is aware of their behavior in most cases.

"Aping Limbaugh" would be making crap up about bronze and that has not been done. All information is from items that he has posted and that others have checked out. It is all public info and easily verifiable which makes one wonder why bronze would continue to lie about this?

BTW, have you checked the date of the article?

Bronze, if you continue send me unsolicited private messages, I will notify the admin here. This behavior is one of the many reasons you have been banned 5+ times.

Katara 8 years, 12 months ago

bronze (Anonymous) says…

dear Katara, wow what a stretch in your snark attack -

i don't think Solidarity is connected to Centennial Neighborhood Association although they may indeed oppose spending priorities & how the school district borrows money. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ You have posted several times that you have a relationship with them and specifically mentioned Dave's name. All in association with the legal action regarding the CNA group.

None of that is true.

I have emailed Jonathan now to assist in the halting of unsolicited private messages from you to me. You did this with your past username, ariadne.

Katara 8 years, 12 months ago

Machiavelli_mania (Anonymous) says…

Raven, take this for what is is worth to you:

This athletic field is a total and absolute waste of tax-payer dollars. The athletic field is not going to add to the local, state or national GNP. The supposed “athletic field” is not going to help us access the US superiority regarding innovation and science, particularly in the area of pharmaceutical research upon which Lawrence is trying to break ground on a national level (an intention I applaud whole-heartedly).

This dubious “athletic field” is a total and absolute money pit. And I am conservative on the assessment of it's wastefulness.

Tell me, what are it's benefits for being done, for being there? What good will it do for this community? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ You've posted in the past of how athletics are not worth the money. However, one cannot receive a well rounded education without athletics. The same goes for other subjects that some think are not necessary such as art or music.

Not to mention that our students are in desperate need of exercise as gym keeps getting cut from our curriculum. Numerous studies show how physical exercise helps the mind focus and that is a good thing when one wants our students to excel in academics. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Bronze, I have addressed the topic. It has rained pretty heavily in the last month. Everyone around town has flooding. It is not specific to the LHS & CVS area.

Further, Ravens has already reminded you that the settlement has no guarantees about flash flooding. Flash flooding is what has occurred here. Hence the reason we had numerous flash flooding warnings.

The area could have a legitimate complaint if an average rain produced flooding. And it has not.

Katara 8 years, 12 months ago

Machiavelli_mania (Anonymous) says…

Katara, you have also strongly misbehaved via insults. SHouldn't you go too? I vote yes. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Perhaps you would have a valid argument if I had come in and complained that others were insulting people and then turned around and insulted people.

Perhaps you'd like to point out the insults I have slung here?

I'll wait.

bearded_gnome 8 years, 12 months ago

bronze (Anonymous) says…

let's stick with the facts forum.

yeah, let's stick with the facts!

Sven/bronze/ariadne/cool/coltrane/rusty2/spiderman et al, has gone through at least seven other screen names and then each time been thrown off for violating the TOS of this forum. Machie, that's one reason we oppose sven. many of us have received his harrassing PM's. many of us have noted his obvious lies. many of us are irritated at his agitating and dragging out a pointless legal battle that in itself cost the school district a lot of $s. and calling Ravens, or the rest of us, drunks/addicts does not help your image/case Machie. BTW, Hilary Clinton voted to go to war in Iraq, many intel services around the world believed Saddam had WMD's. and when we were about to take Baghdad, we have radio traffic of Saddam's own generals calling for use of the WMD's. in your hate-filled liberal mind, we're supposed to know what Saddam had better than his own generals?

but back to Sven/bronzie, every point he makes, now its flooding, is fake. whether its turf, child safety, lights, flooding, parking, etc. etc. etc., it is just Sven grabbing what he can to oppose the improvements and to protect his mother's backyard. oh, other retorical flourishes of sven: natural border; ravens spotted there; etc.

he probably is really happy that Cornerstone Baptist's basement floods, given that he is extremely antichristian. he would likely rather see that whole church collapse. it probably bothers him that it is in his mother's neighborhood.

finally, it is his mother's neighborhood and not his.

now, if we can just get some lights at the new tennis courts 14-feet from the property line! remember that Bronzie?

facts, stick to the facts forum, okay.

Katara 8 years, 12 months ago

bronze (Anonymous) says…

dear Katara, we are pretty sure that Solidarity was not involved in a legal action with the the neighborhood association and that no one implied that they were.

this is simply your own delusion, enuf said.

TOS - i remind you yourself should include harassment and character assasination, and oh by the way simply relevance?

again, do you ever post something on the topic at hand? or is that too difficult for you? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Again, you have dropped Dave & Solidarity's name in relation to the CNA lawsuit. You did this while posting under Ariadne. They were not involved in any way, shape or form with that but you posted that you had a relationship with them (not true - they had never heard of you) and that they would be unhappy with the brouhaha over the legal issues. You spoke for them and you had no right to do so.

And again, I have pointed out to you that heavy rains happen and flooding occurs when they do. Your complaint is that flooding occurred and it is the direct result of the improvements. You would need to actually prove that rather than speculate the reason why. Flash flooding is an entirely different matter and given that the majority of the city has experienced flash flooding due to the unusually heavy rains, it would be difficult for you to do so.

Are you actually trying to argue that the settlement should provide you guarantees that there will be no flooding for any reason? That is a ridiculous assertion to make and one that would never hold up.

bearded_gnome 8 years, 12 months ago

Machiavelli - please go ahead and chew up Katara into an Italian stew.

so Machie is bronzie's new playmate. it really speaks volumes about Machie's own lack of character.

Katara, you've posted accurately above. many of us have received sven's harrassing PM's.
has he tried to out your actual identity? twice he's tried to out mine! the last time, on jonathan's own blog about the millionth post coming up, Jonathan told him if he tried once more he'd get thrown off yet again.

Machie, if you look through the comments above on this thread, you'll see that the now "Bronze" has had all his previous comments deleted from this thread, from under his previous screen names when he got himself thrown off, or TOSsed.

personal attack? naw, everything I've written is accurate history.

hang in there Katara! you're flyin' high.

Katara 8 years, 12 months ago

ariadne (Anonymous) says… i vote with Dave Strano & Solidarity, down with Hack.

Just one of several comments bronze has made about Solidarity on a thread about the neighborhood settlement.

Katara 8 years, 12 months ago

Machiavelli_mania (Anonymous) says…

Katara wrote: “I had more flooding this year in my house too, Mr. ding-dong-of-an-architect. “ Blatant insulting at play. Are you proud of yourself for this?

You mistake me in my outright concerns for your health. You are dismissed, Katara.

This athletic field is a massive waste of money. I don't approve of it. I am voicing my concerns regarding it. And thus endth my participation in this discussion. Think I will have a cup of green tea. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ That is not my comment. Please attribute it to the correct person. Should I be concerned about the health of your eyes because they seem to be failing.

Katara 8 years, 12 months ago

I expect an apology from you, Machiavelli_mania for falsely attributing another's comments to me.

Ravens (Anonymous) says… I had more flooding this year in my house too, Mr. ding-dong-of-an-architect. Did the School District flood my house too?

bearded_gnome 8 years, 12 months ago

bronzie, my posts were completely on topic. primary point: your concern for the flooding is just another in your long string of rhetorical positions where you are grabbing at any excuse to oppose the improvements at LHS. the real issue is your opposition, you don't give one bit of care for child safety, turf, etc., etc., etc.

Katara, you are correct, I remember Bronze as ariadne claiming ties to Solidarity and DaveS. he is now denying it because all his ariadne posts have been pulled because of one of his many violations of the Terms of Service. thus, he is hiding behind his own misbehavior!

oh, and on the millionth post blog, Bronzie was calling it "snarfing" hahahahahaha.

I think Machie needs a heckuva lot more than green tea!

bearded_gnome 8 years, 12 months ago

btw Bronzie, comments that used to be above have been removed including yours because the users got kicked off, like you did! no, not snarfing, ljworld admin TOSsed you and your comments off from this thread.

now, here's this addressed to Bronzie: 19 May 2009 at 12:47 p.m.

Suggest removal Permalink Jonathan Kealing jkealing (Jonathan Kealing) says…


I've warned you privately, now I'll warn you publicly. You do not have bearded_gnome's name correct. If you don't immediately cease to attempt to out an anonymous user, your account will be banned. In addition, I will immediately ban any account I suspect to be created by you without notice, warning or further cause. This is your final warning.

Jonathan Kealing Online editor

Katara 8 years, 12 months ago

Machiavelli_mania (Anonymous) says…

Yes, I have you and Ravens mixed up. My bad. I saw you with another poster like you. Your commonalities is that you both are forum-raping another poster. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Again, you insult me all the while claiming moral superiority. You have implied that I am under the influence, have health issues, and now accuse me of "forum-raping" when I have pointed out that bronze has repeatedly lied regarding this settlement (that fact is not in dispute). I have also pointed out that the settlement does not address flash flooding, nor should it. It is unreasonable to hold the school district at fault for naturally occurring issues.

And I have done it without slinging insults. Even when you "apologize" for your incorrect attribution, you still sling insults. It appears that your behavior is much more Limbaugh-esque on this thread - falsely attributing quotes to another and implying moral inferiority of those who disagree with you.

Katara 8 years, 12 months ago

Machiavelli_mania (Anonymous) says…

Our children have become so “well-rounded” that they are massively stressed and some committing suicide.

Sorry, not going to support the building and maintaining aspects of this questionable endeavor, the so-called “athletic field”.

Unless you (hyp.) are a parent that your (hyp.) kids wish to avoid and/or have kids who make an effort to be free from the home, then maybe they don't want to be “athletic”.

My sibling forced! their offspring kids to take track, basketball, when they didn't want to. I think this is also questionable in practice.

Why is school responsible for kid's advancements in sporting? If you think it is necessary, I would love to see a skateboard park there too. AND also one for surfing, hang-gliding and so on and so forth. Let's have some parity here.

I call for the elimination of this athletic field. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ You mistake helicopter parenting & a need to live through your child for well-roundedness. That is a sad mistake to coach a discussion about the need for a good and complete education in terms of just black or white.

Our children are stressed out because they are not allowed to be kids. They must be #1 in all things (such as your proposal for focus only on the sciences). Some parents put too much on their plate, such as signing them up for 3-4 sports, expecting perfect to near perfect grades in all subjects & being able to withstand peer pressure without parental support.

Physical exercise assists children in focusing their minds - something that children need to do when pursuing the academic portion of an education. It is also a stress reliever. This is something our kids need to be healthy and able to cope. There are numerous studies that support this.

If you have conversations with the teachers, they will tell you that the kids (particularly boys) do better when they kids have engaged in physical exercise. I trust their judgment as they are the ones who can directly observe it as it happens in the school day.

The athletic field is a done deal. You should have voted when you had the chance last year. Eliminating it now would further waste our tax dollars much as bronze's frivolous lawsuits have done.

Boston_Corbett 8 years, 12 months ago

....Because if I want to see postings on an article stay on-topic, I rely on Marion.


bearded_gnome 8 years, 12 months ago

again Katara correct. physical activity does improve classroom performance. ding-ding-ding!

"forum-raping?" one of the weirdest things I've ever read from a poster. you diminish the reality of real rape by that bizarro term.

machie, try looking at bronze's history. does it mean nothing to you that he's been thrown off of here at least seven times? we're not making that up.

remember Bronzie/ariadne was claiming last january to be Roger Pine!

one of my golden oldies: 16 January 2009 at 11:44 p.m.

Suggest removal Permalink Anonymous bearded_gnome (Anonymous) says…

after 55 years the school district is intalling an engineered drainage system instead of flooding our homes……hopefully that is.–oh, this from Mr. Spellcheck! remember Zeppelin/Zeppalin Ariadne?and, won't there be a Zeppelin mooring mast raised up from the Oread Inn.questions Ariadne hasn't answered:did you have a hand in some of the “construction accidents” and flooding of the Oread Inn building site?Can you account for your whereabouts at those times? Aren't you capable of that?Ariadne, if your behavior on these boards were more reasonable and rational, I wouldn't be posting on this topic. so, instead of calling me a “wingnut” or “wingut” again, look in the mirror if you want to know why I “popped up.” it is not mere coincidence that I am here. and, again, anyone recieving PM's of harrassment from Ariadne should forward them to admin of this site right away: Jonathan Kealing or David Ryan.

mom_of_three 8 years, 12 months ago

After visiting Shawnee Mission NOrth for track and field on Friday, which is next to a residential neighborhood btw, I cannot wait for the athletic fields at LHS to be complete. There is a track around the football field, and all the field events are close to it. It was a very nice facility - not the fanciest, but nice none the less.
Can't wait for ours to be done.... will be very nice to have.

bearded_gnome 8 years, 12 months ago

Katara/ the Ann Coulter of LJW forum.

it is truly ironic that Bronze posts totally off-topic karma stuff after telling us to stay on topic! then, to make it downright hilarious, if you think about it, his flooding complaint is like macro-karmic payback!

he thought that vandalism flooding of the Oread Inn site was cracking good funny!

so, naturally, then God [I believe in God not Karma] sent him a flood, flash floods.

ravens documents above that Bronzie was satisfied with the drainage plans eleven months ago.

Bronze/ariadne/rusty2/jaguar/coltrane/cool/spiderman/et al complains about flooding after cheering the flooding harm others suffer. wow, amazing.

and, the most disreputable poster on here [marion] comes to the support of another very disreputable poster, there's an endorsement! Marini supports the Yellowhousers, and he supports Bronzie. hmmm.

Katara 8 years, 12 months ago

Machiavelli_mania (Anonymous) says…

Katara: “You mistake helicopter parenting & a need to live through your child for well-roundedness. That is a sad mistake to coach a discussion about the need for a good and complete education in terms of just black or white.”

No, I didn't mistake anything of the sort. But I am sure you are hoping that is the spin everyone will see in my post, regardless of my original intention. I am finding this is common practice for you in this discussion, putting ideas to my posts that did not exist there upon their initiation.

I do not support the building of this field. And no amount of ridicule of me by you will stop me from thinking as I do. It is a huge waste of money!!! I stand firm in opposition. Twist it all as you will, morphing it from what is written as you may, as you desire, as you need to! Everyone else sees your twisting of other people's posts and thoughts. Twist away!! It reflects poorly not on the post you twist but on your very lack of ….. (fill in the blank as you will, since what I post doesn't seem to matter as much as what you reflect that I post.) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I don't hope anything about you one way or the other. I am perplexed at these bizarre motivations you assign me as I rarely have even commented much to you in the past. You make a lot of unfounded accusations about others who comment here which you cannot back up.

Please again, where have I ridiculed you or insulted you on this thread?

Again, the athletics field is a done deal. It will not be eliminated and you can stand firm in your opposition to sports in the school district as much as you like. You only hurt the students by doing so. You deny them an experience that compliments the academic side of an education.

Katara 8 years, 12 months ago

bronze (Anonymous) says…


when was this 'voted on' ? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Bond issues for the school district are voted upon, bronze. Perhaps if you had children that attended USD497, you would understand that. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ bronze (Anonymous) says…

Dear Katara,

are not the 'astro-turf' fields made out of recycled (off gasing tires - which you can readily smell) really a bit more for 'status sports' that require fees to pay for the uniforms, not really true that these synthetic fields are for 'exercise' is it?

exercise fields don't usually cause abrasions from astro-turf where most people exercise. the astro-turf's main function is to look good on digital cameras for the status sport competitons - look we have synthetic turf too! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I am afraid you've lost me here with your unusual claims about astro-turf. Children get scratches and scrapes from a variety of surfaces. Are we to just bubble wrap them 24/7 to protect them from everything? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ bronze (Anonymous) says… Yes on exercise. Does participation in 'status sports' guarantee academic acheivement or is that rather a mental faculty? while true that taking care of the body helps, the body is simply a vehicle for the mind. the emphasis on sports has things upside down. the mind is the vehicle for acheivement and enlightenment, the body is the support vehicle.

Katara seems to be emphasizing something that explains why our educational system is not producing good readers at a college level - wrong emphasis on sports vs. studying. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Apparently you have not read my posts thoroughly and it is a shame. I have clearly stated that physical exercise and sports are a complement to academics. In order to have a well rounded education, one needs to participate in a variety of things and sports or gym is one of them. Not once have I advocated sports as a priority.

There are numerous studies that show physical exercise benefits children greatly. Are you trying to say that sports are not physical exercise? Because whether or not it is played for a trophy or just for the fun of it, it is regular physical exercise.

Katara 8 years, 12 months ago

Machiavelli_mania (Anonymous) says…

Athletic fields are not playgrounds. I am all for undirected physical play during recess. I understand it's necessity, probably for longer than you are aware.

But athletic fields are not playgrounds. Sports are not undirected play.

In fact, children rarely follow sport rules unless forced to by adults and play well just for the sake of playing the game, not for the sake of winning and playing by rules.

I refer you to the research of ( and (all caps intended for grammatical reasons, as it is a book) magical parent, magical child. Have read the book, twice, which is jammed packed full of research on this very thing. ~~~~~~~~~~~ You realize that recess ends in elementary school, right? So what do you propose to do for the physical health of our children in junior high and above? Gym is no longer required through the school year.

Directed play serves just as much purpose as undirected play. Neither is superior to the other. Children learn how to cooperate and play by set rules in directed play. This is not a bad thing. It also teaches them how to be a gracious winner - a trait that has been lost on many that needs reviving.

Katara 8 years, 12 months ago

bronze (Anonymous) says…

sorry Katara but the vote for 'settlement' was virtually unanimous and 'we' voted for the settlement.

again you are spreading false information - unless you were a signed plaintiff you wouldn't know the vote anyway.

Katara/ the Ann Coulter of LJW forum. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Vote on a settlement? Where are you getting this from? Perhaps you'd like to show where I posted on the general public voting on a legal settlement?

Interesting how Machiavelli_mania claims twisting of words on my part while you make them up completely.

Katara 8 years, 12 months ago

Machiavelli_mania (Anonymous) says…

Read my post again, and when reflecting it, don't twist it this time. What I write is clearly readable and understandable. If you are having problems understanding it, just say so. ~~~~~~~~~~~ I have read all of your posts thoroughly including the ones that are just simply insults.

You clearly dislike sports. Not a big deal. Don't participate in them. Deny your children the opportunity to participate in them.

Out of curiosity, if you have a child who wants to participate in school sports, would you deny them that?

bearded_gnome 8 years, 12 months ago

machie: Children are “conditioned” via sports and the rules of games. Sports are not undirected play. “Directed play” doesn't exist. It is not play if it is directed.

okay, Machie, obviously you've lost your foil hat. please make a new one wear it immediately, remember: shiney side out!
"conditioning?" apparently by behavior control technicians in black helicopters.

your points are all correct Katara. indeed there's no recess after grade school. physical activity does benefit classroom performance.
quibbling over organized or unorganized, "status" [whatever that means] etc., all just quiditties. distractions to throw off from the original point.

and "off gassing" what in heck does that mean?

Katara 8 years, 12 months ago

Machiavelli_mania (Anonymous) says…

Children are “conditioned” via sports and the rules of games. Sports are not undirected play. “Directed play” doesn't exist. It is not play if it is directed. Directing children in physical activity with rules and adult supervision is “conditioning”. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Then you would eliminate all games. Hide n' Seek has rules. You would keep children from playing games such as that? Children even set up rules in undirected play such as playing house (I am the mommy and you are the daddy. You do this & I do that.). ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Machiavelli_mania (Anonymous) says… You want “gracious winning”? Then stop the competitive nature of sports. ~~~~~~~~~~~ Competition exists in all parts of society. Life, by its very nature, is competitive. You would deny our children tools to deal with competition?

You also advocate for us to be competitive with other nations on other academic levels. Do you believe that there are no gracious winners there?

You go back and forth on competition. It is bad if it is sports but it is good if it is everything else? That makes no sense. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Machiavelli_mania (Anonymous) says…Was there anything that gave you the impression that I didn't know the difference between elementary school and high school? Or were you just trying to one-up me yet again, as you are wont to do in this discussion? ~~~~~~~~~~~~ The fact that you posted strictly about recess (which is exclusive to elementary school) in the post I addressed and the athletic field and the sports played on it (which is what the thread is about) are for the upper level grades could lead one to the conclusion that you don't know the difference between elementary, junior high & high school. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Machiavelli_mania (Anonymous) says… Why do you insist it is the schools' job to enable our children physical activity requirements? Are you not allowing your children to do that at home? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The school's responsibility is to provide my children an education. An education includes academics, physical health, art & music. Sports and gym fall under that.

Katara 8 years, 12 months ago

Machiavelli_mania (Anonymous) says… While you may! care less if your child is a Sabin or Pauli, I care deeply about my child and my child's ability to add to the goodness and quality of this world. We are a global community now and that is how I want my child to see it. Playing football or baseball isn't going to cut it if we consider my standards on education. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ And where have I disagreed about children seeing this as a global community? Where have I posted anything that would be even remotely construed as being anti-academic? Where have I advocated that sports be placed ahead of academics? You are so busy arguing imaginary arguments from words you are placing in my mouth that you are simply not paying attention to what I have said.

And no, I don't care if my child is a Sabin or Pauli (nor do I care if my child is a Farve or a Brett). My ego is not that tied up in my child. Those great minds became what they were because they were encouraged but not forced. And both of those great minds were the result of a well rounded education.

Katara 8 years, 12 months ago

Machiavelli_mania (Anonymous) says…

bearded gnome feels it necessary to ridicule. No surprise there. Seems to be allowed on this board, regardless of it's display of bad behavior. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Excellent display of hypocrisy.

headdoctor 8 years, 12 months ago

Machiavelli_mania (Anonymous) says…

Oh yes, I do love sports!! Recent headline: Soccer mob beats= man to death in N. Ireand

Now that sounds like stability in a poster. NOT. I have a simple solution for you Machiavelli_mania. You will not get out of paying taxes for the schools but if you really dislike what is going on. Pull your children(this is assuming you have desecrated the gene pool)out of the system and teach them at home. Then if you choose, they can be couch potatoes, etc. Just don't complain if at 25 they have the body of a 60 year old. Your problem is solved. See how easy that was.

Katara 8 years, 12 months ago

Role playing involves rules. That is how you define what the "role" is. The rules don't have to be static as in defined play but they exist.

Life is adaptive by order to compete for the resources necessary to maintain that life. Do you think the gazelle cooperates with the lion in order to make sure the lion survives?

Physical activity, of which game playing can be a part of, is part of physical health education. Why would you eliminate physical activity from physical health education? It would not be complete without it as it would not be complete without information about proper nutrition and maintaining one's physical health.

Katara 8 years, 12 months ago

Machiavelli_mania (Anonymous) says…

So to Katara, insults are not displays of bad behavior. Ok, we get that. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ You have been insulting other posters that disagree with you and you still insist on pointing out the bad behavior of others that you, yourself, are regularly engaging in on this thread.

Again, with the imaginary arguments you claim I make. I've not said that insults are not a display of bad behavior. I have pointed out that you are engaging in that bad behavior.

Katara 8 years, 12 months ago

Question for Machiavelli-mania:

If you are anti-competitive sports, why are you congratulating the kids on the LHS national qualifier thread?

If you have been a part of the debate & forensics circuit, you'd know that it is way more competitive in nature than football or any of the other physical sports. It just lacks the support that the physical sports have.

If cooperation is what you seek, don't look to debate and forensics. It is a highly stressful competitive sport.

headdoctor 8 years, 12 months ago

Machiavelli_mania (Anonymous) says…

“Marion writes: Nice post!”

Machiavelli_mania writes: LOL Thanks. I worried about it. Thought you might correct me.

I would say that school athletics is the least of your worries if you are concerned about Marion's approval.

headdoctor 8 years, 12 months ago

Machiavelli_mania (Anonymous) says…

I thought he was going to correct my spelling of “levy” to “levee” or something like that.

headDr. why would seeking your approval be better than seeking marion's?

The real question is, why should you need to seek and or receive any ones approval?

Katara 8 years, 12 months ago

Machiavelli_mania (Anonymous) says…

Because it wasn't sports, dear. It was scholastic. It was about debate. And I am applauding anything anti-sport, non-sport right now because you are so …. (fill in the blank, as you often do).

I reserve the right to normalize my sentiments once visually fasting from your posts. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ So competition is not the issue for you per se. Physical competition is what bothers you. Any argument that you make about competition & its evilness applies to non-sport, scholastic events as well.

There is no cooperation in debate.

My approval must be more important to you than Marion's as if I approve it, you now have declared that you do not. I had no idea I could have that much power over a person.

headdoctor 8 years, 12 months ago

Machiavelli_mania (Anonymous) says…

How much do I owe you, Doc?

My advise is always free and worth every penny.

Katara 8 years, 12 months ago

Machiavelli_mania (Anonymous) says…

Just imagine that you have power over me. It will do you good. It must be what you need. LOL

Do I seem to you like a personally-powerless being? LOL ~~~~~~~~ Why, no. You are simply just another person on a forum. Why would I care if you are personally powerless or not? That is why your comment about being anti because I am for was pretty surprising and quite humorous.

Katara 8 years, 12 months ago

Machiavelli_mania (Anonymous) says…

Good, I have been laughing for a while now too. Good to see some levy a tee. LOL ~~~~~~~~~ The golf course is most definitely a waste of taxpayer money.

headdoctor 8 years, 12 months ago

Machiavelli_mania (Anonymous) says…

Good, I have been laughing for a while now too. Good to see some levy a tee. LOL

Green tea must be kickin in.

Green maybe, but tea I doubt. Sounds like some good bud. Where can I buy some?

Katara 8 years, 12 months ago

Machiavelli_mania (Anonymous) says…

good night, guys. Schlaf gut. ~~~~~~~~~~~~ Danke! You too.

maxcrabb 8 years, 12 months ago

...I think I missed something.

Could you all repeat that, please?

bearded_gnome 8 years, 12 months ago

this was primarily today Bronze/cool/ariadne/spiderman/jaguar/cool/coltrane/rusty2 reviving an old thread in order to do more agitating, more impuning of the school district officials.

ironically, he was talking about his mother's neighborhood suffering flooding; yet he laughed at the Oread Inn construction site vandalism flooding. kinda justice there.

he doesn't care about Cornerstone Baptist. and I'll bet he doesn't care about his mother's neighbors.

this is yet another of his attempts to latch on to something to attack the school district.

let's get the lights at the tennis courts going, fourteen feet from the line!

bearded_gnome 8 years, 12 months ago

and, we learned that Miss Machie is really antisports because of continuing psych problems resulting from childhood family trauma caused by "athletic supporters."

really Machie, you should make an appointment with a mental health professional instead of so vehemently hating a whole group of people who did not harm you or your family.

Machiavelli_mania (Anonymous) says…

Children are “conditioned” via sports and the rules of games. Sports are not undirected play. “Directed play” doesn't exist. It is not play if it is directed. Directing children in physical activity with rules and adult supervision is “conditioning”.

use of the word "conditioning" implies that you Miss Machie are excessively worried about games and competition leading to social conformity.

the problem is that social conformity is necessary for a society to function and for us to have a consentual reality. furthermore, if kids are going to learn how to function in a team, as at work or military, social conformity is important too.

yes, I used humor to poke fun at your extreme worry about "social conditioning."

we got it, you're against the fields, but remember we live in a representative democracy, also called a democratic republic.
schoolboard officials get elected, and they in turn vote. also, city commissioners get elected, and they in turn vote.

Miss Machie, your problem is with our system of government, and an extreme concern about "social conditioning."

and, Marioni posts total irrelevancy.

preferatti 8 years, 12 months ago

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preferatti 8 years, 12 months ago

And if Machiavelli wins in her quest of eliminating school sports from the district, I think she did suggest a skateboard park was allowable.

I'm like all for that, if they put it in the southwest part.

Or a water park, would also be very nice. Less athletic and more inclusive. And to keep taxes down, we could make it entirely commercial.

Leslie Swearingen 8 years, 12 months ago

Machiavelli_mania, you are weird, very, very weird. Sports are great for students because they are fun, and they develop a sense of achievement in both the individual and the team. If you intend to get and keep a job you will have to obey rules. Look what happened to the woman in Topeka who thought she could ignore the rules because she just didn't "feel" like attending to the parking tickets. Athletics are already used to obeying rules and having to be somewhere on time when they start looking for a serious job. They puts them way ahead of some people.

preferatti 8 years, 12 months ago

Yea.... Motocross in the SW corner of the LHS fields would be even better..

preferatti 8 years, 12 months ago

I have a new game:

Put Marion, Dr. Tiller, and Machiavelli in a room. Lock the door. Come back an hour later to see who wins.

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