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July 31, 2008

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A firm owned by a Kansas University architecture professor acclaimed for his innovative teaching style, unusual project designs and hands-on construction methods has been fined $500 for practicing architecture without required certification.

Rockhill & Associates, a firm owned by KU architecture professor Dan Rockhill, failed to secure a state certificate required for performing architecture services in Kansas during 2007 and 2008, according to a settlement with the Kansas State Board of Technical Professions.

After paying the $500 fine, plus the board's expenses of $1,854, Rockhill & Associates is back in business. The firm paid the appropriate fee - either $120 or $170 - earlier this month to regain its certificate, which shows that the firm based in rural Lecompton has the proper expertise and experience behind it to provide architecture services in the state.

The case is now closed, and the certificate - like all others issued for architectural operations in the state - is good through Dec. 30, 2009.

"It's so the public is sure that the technical professionals that they're dealing with are qualified," said Jean Boline, the board's executive director.

Rockhill described the certification problem as a "technicality," one akin to a contractor's license being automatically revoked because an insurance firm failed to send in notice that a client's policy had been renewed.

"It's just business," Rockhill said.

Rockhill & Associates, in its settlement with the board, acknowledged that it had engaged in preparing architectural plans for work at Van Go Mobile Arts Inc., in Lawrence, without having the proper certification. The firm is serving as general contractor for the $1.4 million renovation project, which it also designed.

Marty Kennedy, a Van Go board member who lives next door to the project, said that he was not concerned that Rockhill & Associates had not maintained the proper certification while drawing up plans for the Van Go work, which will allow the agency's programs to serve twice as many kids.

"It's still a great project," said Kennedy, a former Lawrence mayor who is general manager of nearby Kennedy Glass Inc. "Those issues sometimes pass you by."

Also established in the settlement: Rockhill himself is not licensed as an architect.

In an interview Wednesday, Rockhill explained that his business associate of 20 years, David Sain, serves as the firm's licensed architect. Rockhill has operated Rockhill & Associates for 28 years.

Rockhill also teaches architecture at KU, including the innovative Studio 804 - a class in which students design and actually build a project. Students, under Rockhill's leadership, have built homes for low-income residents in Lawrence and Kansas City, Kan., and earlier this year built a new arts center for the tornado-ravaged town of Greensburg.

None of the projects required the presence of a licensed architect, Rockhill said.

"We can do all this stuff and not carry a license," Rockhill said. "It's up to the municipality where the project eventually will be located."

The arts center in Greensburg, he said, technically is considered a residential use in a mixed-use neighborhood, and therefore did not come with a requirement that a licensed architect be involved.

Boline, from the board of technical professions, said that architecture professors are specifically exempted from the state's licensing requirements.

Comments

Flap Doodle 6 years, 4 months ago

Worth repeating:"15 July 2008 at 9:09 a.m.spiderman (Anonymous) says::i am withdrawing from the forum:"Don't let the screen door hit you this time.

Flap Doodle 6 years, 4 months ago

Worth repeating:"15 July 2008 at 9:09 a.m.spiderman (Anonymous) says::i am withdrawing from the forum:"

bearded_gnome 6 years, 4 months ago

notD...please take spiderman's e-mail(s) and forward them to david ryan at the ljworld. he's in the staff directory. I think off the top of my head he is at:davidryan@ljworld.commight not be right. he's certainly hit the "post comment" a lot on this article!

Flap Doodle 6 years, 4 months ago

spiderham, should we consider your profile's claim to be an LJW photographer as whimsey or a simple lie?

not_dolph 6 years, 4 months ago

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Staci Dark Simpson 6 years, 4 months ago

so this is what spiderman does while not solving crime? Come on spidey, go solve crime.

Flap Doodle 6 years, 4 months ago

"lest they accidentally walk in front of a black Jaguar coupe on 'mass'."Golly, that sounds just like the sort of vague threat some cheap punk would make on a discussion board.

bearded_gnome 6 years, 4 months ago

many neighbors near 12th and penn where rockhead and his students built a crazy house, would agree, he certainly doesn't seem to even function like an architect! and, for one brief occasion, i actually agree with spikerman: how does this work: rockhead messes up on the most important professional certification in the market, as he is teaching future architects? oh, okay! *spacey,the problem is that spicerman really thinks he is fighting crime...in his imaginings! and, yes, he did promise to leave these boards...and i keep wondering if somebody hacked into his account!

gr 6 years, 4 months ago

"plus the board's expenses of $1,854,"Board's expenses?Remind me what the Board's purpose is if not to make sure they have licenses?

Newell_Post 6 years, 4 months ago

"Typically these faculty have skill and experience sets far above a typical professional in the field."Maybe that is true in other fields but, in my experience, that is true of maybe only 20% of professors in the architectural field. The other 80% are either too lazy, too flaky, or too incompetent to actually hold a job in an architectural firm or to start a firm of their own....

not_dolph 6 years, 4 months ago

Hey screed - was the drainage issue on your Berkeley bookstore because it was stiuated next to a football practice field?

Newell_Post 6 years, 4 months ago

If anyone is actually interested, I think this case revolves around the fact that the Kansas statutes provide for registration of individual architects, but certification of corporations who employ architects involved in architectural practice. The former has been around for a long time, but the latter is still somewhat new. It used to be that as long as the work was performed under the supervision of a registered architect, it didn't matter what company they worked for. Now, the state board wants to collect another fee from the corporations.

not_dolph 6 years, 4 months ago

Uh, Jonathan Kealing. Sven, formerly known as cool, now spiderman and jaguar, said that you were the person to contact on TOS. Why do you continually allow Sven to post under multiple identities - a violation of LJW TOS. Why do you allow Sven to continually post links or suggestions to go to other websites/blogs, etc. - a violation of LJW TOS. Why do you allow Sven to contiunally contact other LJW members through private emails, where he frequently uses profane and threatening language - a violation of LJW TOS.Inquiring minds want to know?

ASBESTOS 6 years, 4 months ago

"Typically these faculty have skill and experience sets far above a typical professional in the field."No typically they do not. They have a knowledge aboout a very specific and limited view, but preofessional real world application is much different. And "being a prof" is not enough in multiple fields.No Offense, but the world is not populated by research facilities and college stuidents. And a Kansas view of the world is even more limited.

not_dolph 6 years, 4 months ago

spiderman (Anonymous) says: ...gee there must be some reason that the on line moderator removes your posts fairly frequently?---------------Yes, there is...it's because you click "suggest removal" on any post you disagree with.

not_dolph 6 years, 4 months ago

Jonathan - thanks for your observations...other than the parroting (jaguar of spiderman), what other types of things would you be looking for, for proof. Thanks.nd

Tony Kisner 6 years, 4 months ago

I for one will rest a little easier tonight knowing that the long arm of the law has reached out and stopped this guy. Drawing buildings with out a license, indeed!

not_dolph 6 years, 4 months ago

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Jonathan Kealing 6 years, 4 months ago

I tend to allow links to Web sites when they're making one particular point. I don't like repetitive promotion of one Web site. Additionally, until I see proof that Jaguar is Spiderman, that can stay too.Jonathan KealingOnline editor

ASBESTOS 6 years, 4 months ago

It is called "Professional Standards" and "Ethics". It seems as if the guy that did build the Greensburg "Community Center" with wood "recovered from a formerly listed NPL site" does have a few problems with professional ehtics and conforming to Federal Laws (yes "volunteers" are convered under OSHA in Recovery and Disaster areas).SO this guy "poses" as an Architect just because he "went to school" and does not keep up on his professional maintenance points, educations,certifications, etc. SOunds like to me a person practicing without a license is a big deal, regardless of wht the guy says.You cannot represent yourself as "licensed", or "registered" or "Professional", unless you actually meet all the requirements and have the "permit" to practice the profession. The Crown Center Collapse should illustrate the need for professionals certification and "uniformity" in the process.I thought the guy was running pretty "footloose" with environmental and public health endangerment issues when recovering the wood to build that Greensburg project with wood recovered from a "powder storage magazine" (explosives storage for the uninitiated).Did any of the ladies sawing the wood up get checked for lead in blood? Mercury? If this guy ignores one set of environmental laws, to boost his ego and political agenda, he doesn't practice the degree of "professionalism" required to build and take responsibility for a project, even if it is a "VaGough shack".Some "environmentalist" this guy is, and in my opinion, not a very good professional architect, and not very concerned with people, with the risk he exposed them to, and his duplicity when "outed".

Newell_Post 6 years, 4 months ago

Another point of information....I haven't been around the KU School of Architecture in a long time but, in the old days, there were plenty of professors who were fully registered and both practiced and taught. Charlie Khan, Dave Griffin, and many others spring to mind.I think it looks bad for anyone to do this kind of work who is not registered, although there are ways to technically get away with it. I've know a certain number of people in the profession over the years who got by without getting registered. In most cases, that was due more to arrogance than stupidity. ("Nobody has the right to judge ME...") The architectural registration exam is longer than most other professional exams and has a lower first-time passing rate than any other I know of. (Less than 50% pass all sections of the ARE on the first try. Medicine, Law. etc. have higher rates than that.) However, for anyone who has worked in the field for a number of years and actually studied for it, it is not overly difficult to pass. There is no good reason for any person who has worked in the field for many years and who is actively doing "built" work to not be properly registered.

Flap Doodle 6 years, 4 months ago

spiderham, you exited yourself & it didn't even last a day.It looks like you've been taking lessons in name calling from marioni. BTW, why has freestyle not posted anything new on that odious 'forum' recently? Did he get banned from the very forum whose IP is registered under his own name?

ASBESTOS 6 years, 4 months ago

"When I go visit a physician, I assume he/she is a graduate of a medical school."A Physician has to have a license to practice by the BOard of Healing Arts, as as the Hair Dressers, why not an architect. Sven, this guy a friend of yours?"When I hire an engineer, I assume he/she is a graduate of an engineering school."Professional Engineers are "Certified and bonded" by the Kansas Technial Board as well as many discipline specific certification and Licensing bodies. In Texas you have to be licensed as an engineer."When I hire an attorney, I assume he/she is a graduate of a law school."Some here, has to be register and BOaard approved by the Kansas Bar Association. remember Pres. Clinton getting his license to practice law revoked."When I go to the pharmacy, I assume he/she is a graduate of pharmacy school."Licensed in all states by the State Healing Arts board and must be so as they dispense controled chemicals.You see Sven ole buddy, you have to be "educated" for all of these, but all require certification and licensing. Most of these require "esperience" criteria as well. It takes more in any field to be "educated", a pioint entirely lost on most academics these days.I myself am an Environmental Professional and am Licensed in several states for Asbestos Consulting, Lead BP Consulting, HAZMAT and there are other "licenses" that require "education" as a basic requirement sucha as the CHMMR, REM, and a CIH, but you still have to have practical experience in real life situations. College and university classes and research projects are not "real worl applications" and those venues are sadly lacking in todays world of pratical application.

not_dolph 6 years, 4 months ago

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Flap Doodle 6 years, 4 months ago

spiderham, would you be so good as to draw a picture showing freestyle getting kicked off his own 'forum'?That would be funny.

Newell_Post 6 years, 4 months ago

Point of information..... The statutes don't say that one may practice the profession of architecture just because one is a professor in an architectural school. They say that teaching classes in an architectural school does not constitute a type of architectural practice which requires registration (licensure).

not_dolph 6 years, 4 months ago

Hey spidercool...remember this exchange back when you were "cool" (not that you were truly cool in the sense that most Americans would define). Posted by cool (anonymous) on January 17, 2007 at 4:51 p.m. (Suggest removal)the owner tools around in a 'tippy' Land Rover discovery model, just about the worst SUV ever made. steering wheel crammed off center to the left so that your elbow isstuck in the door and excessive wind noise, and did i mention tippy ? --------------------

not_dolph 6 years, 4 months ago

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not_dolph 6 years, 4 months ago

Okay LJW weekend moderators...what's the matter with the the two recent posts by not_dolph? They were simply taking what has already been said on the LJW threads and putting them together in a manner that everyone could understand. I would think someone who owns a food service establishment would want to know that a very very frequent poster on the LJW threads was engaged in serious bashing of their establishment...and then stopped once he was employed by them...do they know? That's all I was asking. Nothing wrong with that.Is that the type of consultant one would like to employ?

not_dolph 6 years, 4 months ago

Screed's correct. In fact, I was not libeling anyone...simply using YOUR words Sven to complete the full circle. For you to suggest that Rockhill was the subject truly demonstrates how disconnected you are. You can suggest removal all you want. We will not tolerate your pushy agenda, sprinkled with insults and inuendo. Not to mention your private emails you send all the time with threats and vulgar language.Stop it Sven!

not_dolph 6 years, 4 months ago

Spiderman said:"I was not in the employ of Mr. Krause until after he received a special use permit when i worked with the licensed contractor to complete code required repairs to his facility. therefore at the time of the HRC hearing there was no conflict and no contemplated conflict since Mr. Krause did not hire me or even speak of that until after his contractor was ready to proceed upon his behalf."-Sven acknowledges he was employed by the same person he bashed mercilessly on the LJW website. At the time he was an HRC commissioner. Only after he started getting paid by Mr. Krause, did he change his tune. Is he afraid that Mr. Krause will find out how nasty he was?

not_dolph 6 years, 4 months ago

Sven - I'm not touchy at all. Just enjoying watching you self admit that you integrity only goes as far as a paycheck. The only one who is touchy...is you on your "suggest removal" key.Is it fun for you?

Boston_Corbett 6 years, 4 months ago

Holy Moses.My daddy would say that Sven just got woodsheded.

Flap Doodle 6 years, 4 months ago

Those are some freestyle letters there on Aspen Times.

not_dolph 6 years, 4 months ago

Spiderman said:"I was not in the employ of Mr. Krause until after he received a special use permit when i worked with the licensed contractor to complete code required repairs to his facility. therefore at the time of the HRC hearing there was no conflict and no contemplated conflict since Mr. Krause did not hire me or even speak of that until after his contractor was ready to proceed upon his behalf."-That is classic. Sven (aka cool at the time) constantly bashed Krause for his restaurant, claiming his food cost too much and wasn't worth it, that he drove a tippy Land Rover 4x4, that his operation shouldn't be granted a special use permit:and on and on. I wonder if the Krause's know that Sven (aka cool at the time) was constantly dissing them and their dining - and they he WORKED for them.What a total sell out. You berate and denegrate people who share a different opinion than yours:unless they are giving you a paycheck.:my mom told me to beware of people like you when I was growing up.

not_dolph 6 years, 4 months ago

Did I mention that it is interesting that someone would bash a business on a forum like this and say mean things and offer negative opinions on someone's choice of vehicles...and then go work for them. Wow! Isn't that an incredible sense of integrity and character? I wonderr where one might find a consultant with those qualities. If only I had a web URL, or some way of knowing...

Flap Doodle 6 years, 4 months ago

A spanking from Woody Creek:"It is unfortunate that Sven Erik Alstrom, A.I.A., doesn't have ready access to a phone. Otherwise, he could have easily and quickly cleared up some of the misunderstandings under which he labored (to use the term loosely) with his recent letter regarding the new CMC building in Aspen.First of all, the money that the Morgridges gave to CMC was not "instrumental in the new building." Their money went into providing college-wide technology and the arts.The money for the new building came from the CMC budget. Because of their generous contribution to the college and because they lived in the community, it was decided to put their name on the new building.Secondly, the building was not "retrofitted for air conditioning." Mr. Alstrom even admits that his information was based on "the local rumor mill," and for him to pass on an unsubstantiated rumor is reprehensible.In conclusion, I would also point out to Mr. Alstrom that to use a public forum to criticize a fellow architect is highly unprofessional.Doug RhinehartWoody Creek"http://www.aspentimes.com/article/20020816/LETTER/208150015&parentprofile=search

Sigmund 6 years, 4 months ago

My head hurts. I do not understand why the LJW pulls ALL of cool's posts, not that any of them were worth reading mind you, and yet spiderman is allowed to engage in exactly the same behavior.

Flap Doodle 6 years, 4 months ago

spiderman, maybe it's time for you to withdraw from this forum again {perhaps for longer than a day}.

not_dolph 6 years, 4 months ago

Wow, thanks for the interesting background svengalli. It sure explains alot about what we see on these threads and in our community. No wonder someone doesn't have time for a job...someone is too busy filing complaints with licensing boards and writing letters to the editor in papers across these United States.

not_dolph 6 years, 4 months ago

3 August 2008 at 5:04 p.m.Suggest removal Permalinkspiderman (Anonymous) says: Anyone with legal questions regarding work by Rockhill & Associates prior to the settlement agreement with the State Board of Technical Professions should contact Mark L. Bennett Jr. at Bennett & Hendrix L.L.P. in Topeka at 785 271 0800. Mr. Bennett is the attorney for the State Board.----------------Typical of Sven...has no clue that this just increases our taxes. Mr. Bennet is of counsel...and is on retainer. He is not a state employee. If you call him...and no one on this thread would except Sven, he will bill the state per his contract. Nice job spidey! Keep raising our taxes.

not_dolph 6 years, 4 months ago

svengalli's (8/4) 3:49 pm is worth repeating...but instead I will make you scroll back up and read it again. My attempt at being a little more "green" by not re-posting again. ;-)

Boston_Corbett 6 years, 4 months ago

If Spiders have butts, Spiderman's must have big red welts on his today.

tolawdjk 6 years, 4 months ago

I wouldn't hire either of these posturing numbnuts to design a shoebox.

Boston_Corbett 6 years, 4 months ago

Cool/Spiderman ----Boston Corbett immediately above succumbed to the same distractions Succumbed? Distractions? Heck no! I'm getting my second bag of popcorn. This is more yucks than the Comedy Channel. It's always good to see the school-yard bully finally take some of his own medicine.

geniusmannumber1 6 years, 4 months ago

Hey, you know who would have a good take on this article? Spiderman.

KU_Dude 6 years, 4 months ago

Dear Sven/Cool/Spiderman,What little respect some people may have for you is probably completely gone after reading your many comments that all over the LJW web site.If anyone ever asks me what architect I'd hire, your name would never come up because of your many negative/name calling posts.If I were you, I'd stop posting here forever and bite my tongue if I ever even thought about doing so again.Good luck in the future.KU_Dude

KU_Dude 6 years, 4 months ago

spiderman (Anonymous) says: goodbye and thanks---------------I know it's not true but I can dream can't I ?

not_dolph 6 years, 4 months ago

Here is an upcoming AIA seminar in Overland Park. Maybe spiderman should attend...though the instructors probably don't meet his criteria for being properly educated or licensed...Agenda8:00 am 8:30 am Registration 8:30 am 9:15 am AIA Documents Overview and History - G. William Quatman, FAIA, Esq. What Is the AIA? The AIA Family of Documents AIA's Approach to Contracts The Various AIA Forms Available 9:15 am 10:15 am AIA's New Forms - G. William Quatman, FAIA, Esq. The 2004 Design-Build Series The 2007 AIA Document Changes 10:15 am 10:25 am Break 10:25 am 11:30 am AIA A201 General Conditions - G. Edgar 'Eddie' James, Esq. 11:30 am 12:00 pm AIA Front-End Contracts: Owner-Contractor Forms - G. Edgar 'Eddie' James, Esq. 12:00 pm 1:00 pm Lunch (On Your Own) 1:00 pm 2:30 pm Change Clause or Termination Clauses Under AIA A201 General Conditions - Stephen R. Miller 2:30 pm 2:40 pm Break 2:40 pm 4:15 pm Construction Delay Claims - David P. Streiler, P.G. AIA A201 Provisions Claims for Additional Time Claims for Additional Money Avoiding Claims and Disputes 4:15 pm 4:30 pm Questions and Answers - G. Edgar 'Eddie' James, Esq., Stephen R. Miller, G. William Quatman, FAIA, Esq., and David P. Streiler, P.G.

Aisling 6 years, 4 months ago

it really is a matter of time. and once you are gone.Spiderman will return.bwahahahahaha did 'spiderman' ever leave?

Newell_Post 6 years, 4 months ago

Is anyone else reminded of "Who Is Harry Kellerman and Why Is He Saying Those Terrible Things About Me?" ?

Newell_Post 6 years, 4 months ago

Anyone who has worked in the field for some years should be able to pass the ARE (Architectural Registration Exam) with just a little refresher studying. I have known quite a few people who have done so.As long as the guy stuck to designing single-family houses (which do not require an architectural license under Kansas statutes) he was OK. When he moved into commercial and public buildings, that is where he got into trouble. Even if he is now technically legal through his colleague, it is a professional embarrassment that could be easily remedied. I might go to an unlicensed aromatherapist, but I would never go to an unlicensed dentist who had to, by law, work as a trainee under the direct personal supervision of a real dentist. (Nah. Forget it. I would never go to an aromatherapist under any conditions:.)

Flap Doodle 6 years, 4 months ago

So "wankers & wingnuts" was on today's page of the New Words To Be Used By Unpleasant Old Folks calendar?

Fort_Aubrey 6 years, 4 months ago

Marion Lynn. Because if you want credibility in a thread, you call him first.

Flap Doodle 6 years, 4 months ago

Wecouldtalkaboutmywonderfulun-outedinternetlife.

Flap Doodle 6 years, 4 months ago

Worth repeating:"15 July 2008 at 9:09 a.m.spiderman (Anonymous) says::i am withdrawing from the forum:"

Fort_Aubrey 6 years, 4 months ago

I wonder if Mr. Holter knew his very thoughtful and generous private communication to Spiderman was going to be spread upon a public blog for all the rest of use to read.That is another one of Spiderman's anoying habits which may explain his problems. He regularly shares private email here, even after being told not too. If it advances his interest, confidentiality or propriety be damned!It's really a elementary matter of manners which most people have learned by adolescence. No manners and can't keep a confidence.

not_dolph 6 years, 4 months ago

Wow, you are right...spiderman is back under a new moniker.Look up "metta" on a google search and you get this... Metta means lovingkindness. In metta the heart opens unconditionally, encompassing all that is, with acceptance, awareness, and good will. The word metta is from Pali, the language of the earliest Buddhist texts. Metta is universal, finding expression in all religions and societies. Then do a search on Sven Alstrom, and you get this link - http://www.myspace.com/greenblissfest - about when he was a presenter at a some Green Bliss Fest...at the GAIA Center. Sven's session is listed as this...SVEN ALSTROMMorning Walking MeditationSven has taken 6 Meditation courses with Thich Nhat Hanh in California and Colorado. Owns an ecological architecture firm. He is also a member of The New Mexico Solar Energy Association and Nebraska Renewable Energy Association. Sven is metta - no question about it. Just trying a different tact this time.

not_dolph 6 years, 4 months ago

spidersvencool - stop sending me emails!!!!!!!!!

Emily Hadley 6 years, 4 months ago

This certificate issue is not a big deal, it happens. (I am surprised it would make the news at all.) They are a very reputable firm and it seems worth mentioning only in case anyone was concerned about finding the office closed.How weak -- individuals who refuse to even identify themselves to feel entitled to publicly dole out such harsh and ignorant criticism about one of hundreds of certificate and licensing issues one ethically sound and successful local firm deals with each day.

Newell_Post 6 years, 4 months ago

"Who is Harry Kellerman and Why Is He Saying Those Terrible Things About Me?" spiderman is also svengalli.

not_dolph 6 years, 4 months ago

Ding, ding, ding...we have a winner... Tell them what they've won Bob. Well, Chuck, our winner is on his way to Historic East Lawrence for a fun filled night courtesy of transportation on the "T." He'll be whisked off to KT Walsh's museum yard first, with the trip concluding at the old Amtrak Station for a dinner provided by the Lawrence Memorial Hospital cafeteria!You got it beobachter. We only wish we knew why cool was so passionate about this issue.

not_dolph 6 years, 4 months ago

metta - you are further proving you are spiderman. You weren't able to live up to your new moniker very long. Your tone is right out of spiderman or cool's mouth...in fact, if the cool posts were still around, you could go back to some of the ELNA threads and see where cool (aka spiderman, jaguar, and metta) were playing off each other right and left.Amazing.

Fort_Aubrey 6 years, 4 months ago

I received one of those rude threatening emails from him too yesterday.... "Who the Bleep am I and my opinions do not matter anyway....." How nice.I've been reading his garbage for a long time, but this thread was very informative.....after you sift through his and Marion's chaff.So add me to the list.... no emails please Spiderman.

not_dolph 6 years, 4 months ago

spidersvencooljaguar! Stop sending me emails!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

KU_Dude 6 years, 4 months ago

Hey Spiderman.Quit sending me emails. Especially the one that was only meant for you from the "Focus" LTE writer. Did you not forget that it was deleted from this forum once?

hornhunter 6 years, 4 months ago

Oh what a web a spider can weave.It seems he has his certified arse license.

not_dolph 6 years, 4 months ago

...the last sentence should have read that cool and swan_diver were always playing off each other, right and left...

Flap Doodle 6 years, 4 months ago

Did metta get sent to sleep with the fishes?

Fangorn 6 years, 4 months ago

Commuter: If I needed a ride somewhere, but my friend who's been driving for nearly 30 years forgot to renew her drivers license when it expired, should I suddenly be concerned about her ability to get me there safely?In this case, perhaps a license should be for life. If a firm employs the same people doing the same job, what changes? Why should they have to cough up more money each year? Do professionals suddenly get stupid each New Year's Eve? And their technical skills are magically refreshed as soon as the licensing fee is paid? Boards like this do serve a purpose in that they establish a standard for the skills necessary to ... be a doctor, design a building, practice law, drive a commercial truck, keep accounting records, etc. But the periodic re-licensing for many of these fields seems like a great scam to keep the cash flow going to the licensing board.

not_dolph 6 years, 4 months ago

I never metta spiderman who wasn't cool.

commuter 6 years, 4 months ago

Let me see if I get the facts correct. A teacher at KU owns a firm that wasn't licensed to do Arch. work in the state of Kansas? Am I right?To me maybe the good prof. needs to make up his mind. Either teach or become a real arch. To be a real one, you will need to pass all of the required certifications.As for winning awards, hey that is cool but get the license to do the work.How many people would go to a doctor who teaches at KU Med School but isn't licensed to practice medicine in state of Kansas? Come tell the truth.

Flap Doodle 6 years, 4 months ago

There's that space before the question mark.Where have we seen that before ?

not_dolph 6 years, 4 months ago

Pro_Co...unless I am missing something...svengalli only invoked your name in a one sentence post on 8/3 at 2:18 pm...and again at 8:25 am on 8/8. It was harmless, and drawing from a comment you made about the licensing process. You are raising a very Hyper-technical argument...which coincidentally is what this entire thread has been about...Of course, everyone on these blogs/threads knows that spidercoolmettasven cuts and pastes things and manipulates the posts to his advantage...just ask Tony.I see nothing wrong here, and you have not been impugned.

not_dolph 6 years, 4 months ago

Wasn't spiderman pasting Pro_Counsel musings just the other day? That's what I thought. I only get one name, spiderman (cool, jaguar, metta) should only get one name too. That's the rules!

Pro_Counsel 6 years, 4 months ago

I do wish both spiderman and svengalli would stop using my posts as ammunition in their personal firefight. As I clearly stated, I was merely voicing my personal opinion based on my own experiences with credentialing within my own profession ... which is what I thought forums such as these were for. As flattering as it is, I really did not hand Moses any stone tablets to carry back to the people as the final say on any issue. But if I'd wanted to post to this thread, I likely would have managed to speak for myself.And again, sven, it's 'he,' not 'she.'

not_dolph 6 years, 4 months ago

uhh...welcome to the party a little late commuter. Everything's all fixed here...nothing to see...move along.

Pro_Counsel 6 years, 4 months ago

Didn't feel impugned, like I said, kinda' flattered, but this is a carry-over from the way they were putting me in the middle of their dispute in the thread where I made my comments, and I hate to see my own substantially less-than-expert opinion being thrown about as a premise in any argument. Especially as I said in that other thread that I agreed with some of both sides of that argument.

Fort_Aubrey 6 years, 4 months ago

Did Spiderman see Kryptonite? Or a can of RAID?

hornhunter 6 years, 4 months ago

sven, Remember what cool said some time back, Kansas technology is way behind every other states. But then again we also have, spiderman, metta, and Sven Alstrom

not_dolph 6 years, 4 months ago

Marion -If you knew anything about your "friend" spiderman, you would know about his heritage. Nothing I said was anit-semitic. Nor was it out of line.

Flap Doodle 6 years, 4 months ago

marionigivingadviceonhowtorunaforum,lol!

not_dolph 6 years, 4 months ago

In case spidercoolmettaman needs updated information for his future complaints...The Capital-JournalPublished Monday, August 11, 2008Gov. Kathleen Sebelius has made several appointments and reappointments to the State Board of Technical Professionals and has appointed one new member and reappointed five to the Kansas Dealer Review Board.Wendy Ornelas, of Manhattan, has been appointed to a four-year term and will represent the field of architecture on the Board of Technical Professionals, and Steve Brosemer, of Emporia, has been appointed to a four-year term and will represent the land surveying field. Reappointed to four-year terms were George Barbee, of Topeka; George Dean, of Wichita; Richard Moberly, of De Soto; Thomas Mulinazzi, of Lawrence; and Timothy Sloan, of Riley.Sebelius has appointed Jerry Waltrip, of Pittsburg, to a three-year term on the Kansas Dealer Review Board.Reappointed for three-year terms were Paul Garret, of Topeka; John Morse, of Centerville; H. Dale Willey, of Lawrence; and Tim Sankey, of Salina. Mike Steven, of Wichita, has been reappointed to a one-year term.

Flap Doodle 6 years, 4 months ago

I think the new mystery guest has already been disappeareded. (snort)

not_dolph 6 years, 4 months ago

I've already demonstrated to you Marion...and spiderman is posting as of this morning and not denying anything... Keep up the good work, my web spinning friend.

not_dolph 6 years, 4 months ago

Welcome back Sven...I mean madmikesuxcox...Didn't take him long to return with yet a new moniker. Interesting that he would pick this one. How do we know it is Sven Alstrom?1. Has posted 18 times today, and is brand new.2. Same posts on multiple threads.3. Posting youtube links.4. Uses the term Sabbath...which harkens back to his Jewish heritage.Wake up LJW...he's at it again.

Newell_Post 6 years, 4 months ago

Just in case more than 4 people are still reading:.. Frank Lloyd Wright didn't have a degree in anything. He lied in his autobiography when he said he had to drop out of the University of Wisconsin Engineering School after three and a half semesters to support his poor sainted mother who was deserted by his ne'er-do-well father. He was kicked out of the University of Wisconsin after one semester for goofing off and being a pain in the backside. His father was a respected clergyman and his mother was a nut.He lied about his age and education to get his first job in Louis Sullivan's office and it worked so well he just stuck with it, which caused historians problems determining his actual age. Besides, Louis was so drunk all the time that he didn't care, as long as Frank kept showing up and doing most of Louis' work for him:.

not_dolph 6 years, 4 months ago

Marion - weren't you a David Irving sympathizer? I seem to recall you spouting off about that some time ago. I'll have to search back through your comments, but I remember some rant you went on. Isn't he one of the world's most notorious holocaust deniers. I now see why you are so interested in this all of the sudden...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Irving...gotta wonder about a guy on these boards who agrees with David Irving. And what he may think about those with jewish affinities.

not_dolph 6 years, 4 months ago

Thank you for bringing us back to the "Right Focus" svengalli. It is easy to be distracted by others...

not_dolph 6 years, 4 months ago

From the Jewish Voice for Peace - August 2006Regarding IsraelBy Sven AlstromAugust 8, 2006Editor:Regarding response to my letter regarding how to achieve peace regarding Israel, first of all several of you have attributed the quote that I placed from the late Edward Said to myself.This is not correct. The late Mr. Said was an authority on peace in this area and a historian from Columbia University and a well regarded friend of Noam Chomsky.The observation that a path of peaceful coexistence should be the goal of Israel with regard to its neighbors is I hope not in dispute. Historically those peoples when in a more tribal or past culture did coexist without the many problems that we see today.As I said with a reference to the peace activist Thich Nhat Hanh, we are all co-responsible for events in the world. Understanding your enemies is the key - for they are not all your enemies. Tikkun and the Jewish Voice for Peace are wonderful organizations that try to communicate the understanding that peace will be obtained by understanding.The fact that the occupied lands of the 1967 Peace Accords have not been returned almost 40 years after those agreements were made does not shed a favorable light on Israel with regard to treaties either. It is wrong to blame Iran and Syria or others for the underlying failure by Israel to return the occupied territories in a timely manner.I have many friends both Arab and Jewish and the ones that have direct ties to both places are under terrible stress right now. Please support the groups that I know can help: Tikkun and the Jewish Voice for Peace.

not_dolph 6 years, 4 months ago

From the Jewish Voice for Peace - August 2006Regarding IsraelBy Sven AlstromAugust 8, 2006Editor: Regarding response to my letter regarding how to achieve peace regarding Israel, first of all several of you have attributed the quote that I placed from the late Edward Said to myself. This is not correct. The late Mr. Said was an authority on peace in this area and a historian from Columbia University and a well regarded friend of Noam Chomsky. The observation that a path of peaceful coexistence should be the goal of Israel with regard to its neighbors is I hope not in dispute. Historically those peoples when in a more tribal or past culture did coexist without the many problems that we see today. As I said with a reference to the peace activist Thich Nhat Hanh, we are all co-responsible for events in the world. Understanding your enemies is the key -- for they are not all your enemies. Tikkun and the Jewish Voice for Peace are wonderful organizations that try to communicate the understanding that peace will be obtained by understanding. The fact that the occupied lands of the 1967 Peace Accords have not been returned almost 40 years after those agreements were made does not shed a favorable light on Israel with regard to treaties either. It is wrong to blame Iran and Syria or others for the underlying failure by Israel to return the occupied territories in a timely manner. I have many friends both Arab and Jewish and the ones that have direct ties to both places are under terrible stress right now. Please support the groups that I know can help: Tikkun and the Jewish Voice for Peace.

not_dolph 6 years, 4 months ago

spiderman (Anonymous) says: Again, spiderman did not make a formal complaint against Mr. Rockhill. On October 31, 2005 the State Board answered a 'letter of inquiry' that Rockhill & Associates at that time was not a corporation registered to practice Architecture in the State of Kansas. After that time Mr. Bennett of the State Board's office made his own investigation resulting in the fines of 2008, and followed the complaint of another person in 2007 regarding 917 Delaware in Lawrence.-------------------------spiderman's web just gets stickier and sticker. It is the 917 Delaware address that he railed against when he was on HRC. Talked publicly about on these forums when he was "cool," and then, and only then, backtracks after he was given a consulting agreement by the owners of 917 Delaware.Do the owners of 917 Delaware know that "cool" was publicly defaming them on these threads?Do the owners know that spiderman (then cool) was watching them from the neighbors driveway? Then commenting on the type of "tippy, top-heavy" SUV that they own or owned?

not_dolph 6 years, 4 months ago

Well, beo...I guess I wouldn't say it is over nothing. It clearly matters to spidersven. So much so, that he posted heavy and often. It's something that concerns him...especially if it involves a contract he didn't get. Yeah, I would say this is a very important thread. I am looking forward to him answering several of the questions that have been posted, by me and others. Once that is complete, we will live to watch the webbed crusader fight another fight...perhaps on Green issues, or historical redevelopment, or oh...the list just goes on and on.

not_dolph 6 years, 4 months ago

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