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A federal judge considers whether to revoke bond for the owners of a Lawrence secondhand store accused of selling stolen goods.

By George Diepenbrock

July 25, 2008

A judge has been asked to revoke bond for the owners of Yellow House because federal prosecutors say the couple published false blog posts to criminally defame three Lawrence police officers and a postal inspector.

But attorneys for store owners Guy and Carrie Neighbors say the blog posts are protected free speech. For nearly three years, the couple has said allegations that they've knowingly sold stolen goods were false. And they've repeatedly accused law enforcement and prosecutors of corruption.

The U.S. Attorney's office argues that the blogs are untrue and were written to intimidate officers and other witnesses from testifying.

The Neighborses face 19 counts each related to allegations that they sold stolen property, and they face federal drug charges in a separate case.

U.S. Magistrate Judge James P. O'Hara has set a hearing for Wednesday in the case.

In a motion, prosecutors cite witness-tampering laws and say that the Neighborses have in blog posts falsely accused several Lawrence police officers of wrongdoing. Among them is Det. Michael McAtee, who the Neighbors have said was suspended from the police department "for drugs missing from the police evidence room."

According to the motion, an attorney for McAtee has sent letters to Guy Neighbors calling the allegations "outrageous and false."

"In spite of having actual knowledge of the falsity of the allegations against (McAtee), the defendant has continued to publish the defamatory statements concerning alleged wrongdoing by (McAtee)," Assistant U.S. Attorney Marietta Parker wrote in a motion.

Parker in the motion also accuses the Neighbors of harassment and making other false allegations against two other police officers and a postal investigator.

In a response motion, a defense attorney says that Guy Neighbors' Web site consists of core First Amendment speech.

"There is nothing defamatory or 'corrupt' about these statements; they simply express the writer's belief in the injustice of the criminal charges," wrote Cheryl A. Pilate, who represents Guy Neighbors.

She also wrote that the allegations against officers posted on the blog were written as reports of what Guy Neighbors was told by acquaintances or customers about police officers. Neighbors has made it clear that he is investigating those allegations against the officers, Pilate wrote.

Prosecutors also asked the judge to issue a protective order against the defendants if he allows the Neighbors to remain free on their $25,000 bonds.

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25 July 2008
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BigPrune (Anonymous) says…

Do a lot of people REALLY read blogs?
25 July 2008
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oldvet (Anonymous) says…

Is it that hard to find a good hacker to wipe out their computer?
25 July 2008
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Fort_Aubrey (Anonymous) says…

Give me a break. We all know YH's posts are totally full of BS, and if the police and US attys can not take that heat, they should get out of the kitchen.
25 July 2008
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punkrockmom (Anonymous) says…

I read blogs in general, just not that one. But, there is a case for libel over free speech here.
25 July 2008
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TopJayhawk (Anonymous) says…

I sure get tired of all of their whining and all the BS slinging.
25 July 2008
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Fort_Aubrey (Anonymous) says…

Punkrockmom, If police and US attys file libel actions against all criminals who engage in such trash-talk on the web, the courts will quickly be overrun.
25 July 2008
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Marion (Marion Lynn) says…

If YH has the slightest evidence of imporpriety and I think that it does, the blog is safe and the bond should not be revoked.You will also notice that the Federales refer to “criminal libel”, not citing specifically but referring to the Kansas criminal lible statute.There is some backroom chatter about certain “situations” within the LPD; most notably the number of retirements coming up soon and possible replacements of certain command level officers.The Bird Is The Word.

25 July 2008
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Marion (Marion Lynn) says…

It's funny, every druggie in town who gets busted with an ounce of pot blames the LPD for “entrapment”, evidence tampering, illega arrest; etc and about half of you chime in and say, “Yah! The LPD has been doing that for years!” but when YH says it, you come down on YH.It should be noticed that over the several years during which this thing has been going on, the Fed case has had bits and pieces fall off and certain charges have gone by the wayside.More to come.The Bird is chirping.
25 July 2008
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Sigmund (Anonymous) says…

tjhoops69 (Anonymous) says: “However, freedom of speech does not include the right to slander or defame ones character. “Political free speech, at least prior to McCain/Feingold, was the most protected of speech with the fewest restrictions and require the highest burden of proof. Public officials may prevail only if the false statements were motivated “actual malice,” while private individuals need to prove the false statements were “negligent.” Of course truth is a defense. tjhoops69 (Anonymous) says: “Aside from that, they hijack almost every thread and accuse LPD of corruption at every turn, this is not helping their case. they need to learn to keep their mouths shut:.”The LJW online appears to tolerate if not encourage the hijacking or bumping threads. The only thing I can figure is a “anything for a few more hits” mentality that increases ad revenues. It makes their site less readable and often violates their own terms of service so I'll just skip those an just go off. Apparently there is a Firefox plugin I could use to eliminate seeing particular users posts, but I have no idea how well it works with this site.As much as I am annoyed by YH posts I am also getting pretty annoyed with the Governments actions in this case. Does it really take this long to prosecute a fencing/drug/gun case?
25 July 2008
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geniusmannumber1 (Anonymous) says…

Gosh. If only someone had just said something to them about how their incessant internet campaign of misinformation might work to their disadvantage in a legal sense. Instead, we all just sat on our hands. Shame on us.
25 July 2008
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whatupdown (Anonymous) says…

They should have had a pawnbrokers license if they wanted to deal stolen property.
25 July 2008
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smitty (Anonymous) says…

What is the name of the LPD officer that filed a libel suit against the YH owners? What's the status?
25 July 2008
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fu7il3 (Anonymous) says…

“Public officials may prevail only if the false statements were motivated “actual malice,” “You don't think that Yellow House badgering officers, and by their own admission actually calling one at home was done with malice?
25 July 2008
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OnlyTheOne (Anonymous) says…

Well, it looks like the Neighbors' have already been tried and convicted while you folks just wait to decide their punishment.I guess I should've realized you all know they are guilty, know the law, know all the pertinent information in the case, know without doubt all the law enforcement officers are above reproach and know with one hundred percent certainty that that no member of a law enforcement agency would ever decide to pursue a “witch hunt” against any individuals in Lawrence.
25 July 2008
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trinity (Anonymous) says…

i'm just sooooooo weary of seeing yh in the news. *yawn*

25 July 2008
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fu7il3 (Anonymous) says…

“I guess I should've realized you all know they are guilty, know the law, know all the pertinent information in the case, know without doubt all the law enforcement officers are above reproach and know with one hundred percent certainty that that no member of a law enforcement agency would ever decide to pursue a “witch hunt” against any individuals in Lawrence.”Except they also claim that the Post Office, FBI, Justice Department, and God knows who else, is also a part of the witch hunt. Do you really think the feds would give a crap about a second hand store in Lawrence, KS if they hadn't done something?If there is a witch hunt going on, it's being done by Yellow House.
25 July 2008
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merrill (Anonymous) says…

A lot of whining going on here about other whiners hmmmmm. Guess we are all whiners.
25 July 2008
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snap_pop_no_crackle (Anonymous) says…

Speak for yourself, John Alden.
25 July 2008
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dweezil222 (Anonymous) says…

Regardless of whether or not they're true, the YH allegations deserve an investigation. The history of law enforcement in this country is rife with examples of police abuses that only came to light years after. The FBI used to intimidate witnesses until the witness said exactly what the FBI wanted them to. Hell, in some instances, they still do it. If YH has even a scintilla of evidence that part of this investigation might not be on the up-and-up, libel charges are unwarranted, even if that evidence turns out not to ultimately be true. Police across the country have been known to frequently serve private agendas, and while what agenda officers could possibly have that shutting down YH would further, I can't speculate, but stranger things and far more egregious abuses of power have occurred.
25 July 2008
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srj (Anonymous) says…

Revoking bail is a bit much. Protective order does sound fair. I would think YH would have bigger things to worry about then posting blogs about cops.In general, the big deal about YH is (if true) if they buy stolen goods, more stuff will be stolen in town. That sounds like a good reason to crack down on them.
25 July 2008
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can8iv66049 (Anonymous) says…

“Marion (Marion Lynn) says: There is some backroom chatter about certain “situations” within the LPD; most notably the number of retirements coming up soon and possible replacements of certain command level officers.The Bird Is The Word.”um, ya, you might wanna double check your sources on some of that backroom chatter because by what you are insinuating it sounds to me that you do NOT know all the facts on this little tidbit….or you could be just wanting to start rumors just like everyone else that does not know or care what the FACTS are before spouting off on info they know nothing about….just sayin'!!
25 July 2008
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smitty (Anonymous) says…

Largest fencing operation in the history of the LPD!!!!JW where is the follow up information about the libel suit? JW reported the officers pursuit of libel charges but yet the JW fails to include that information in today's article. Seems appropriate to update since we are reading about the feds claims on behalf of the officers who **feel** libeled.
25 July 2008
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bad_dog (Anonymous) says…

This may be the 1st online article I've read about YH that did not contain posts by YH. Interesting…

25 July 2008
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smitty (Anonymous) says…

This is apparently the very first time that the courts have requested a gag order from the YH. I really don't know but this scenario seems the most likely. I've held out hope that years of affirmative action would bring more females into the justice system and to have them change the corruption from within. Wrong!!!! Victim mentality and whiners are represented in this case, in my humble opinion. When in Rome(USA) do as….yaaadaayadayadayada.
25 July 2008
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Marion (Marion Lynn) says…

can8iv66049 (Anonymous) says: “Marion (Marion Lynn) says:There is some backroom chatter about certain “situations” within the LPD; most notably the number of retirements coming up soon and possible replacements of certain command level officers.The Bird Is The Word.”um, ya, you might wanna double check your sources on some of that backroom chatter because by what you are insinuating it sounds to me that you do NOT know all the facts on this little tidbit:.or you could be just wanting to start rumors just like everyone else that does not know or care what the FACTS are before spouting off on info they know nothing about:.just sayin'!!”Marion writes:And I'm just sayin' the Fat Lady hasn't sung yet and the way that I hear it, the Fat Lady isn't even warmed up yet!I'm just sayin'.
25 July 2008
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Buggie7 (Anonymous) says…

OMG this is too damn funny. Someone stated in the first of this forum of frying their(YH) computers, It can be done so easily. But why do that when you can have the fun of actually watching them bury themselves. Also, if they believe its freedom of speech why arent they on here now speaking like they always are. YH you know you are itching to come forward and say something. If you are innocent and believe you have the rights to blog get on here and let your point be known. LOL maybe their lawyer has brightened them up a lil to know when to keep their mouth shut. The other lawyer sara swain couldnt get that across cause she has a hard time doing it herself.
25 July 2008
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dweezil222 (Anonymous) says…

If it turns out that there is in fact something not quite legit going on with LPD (not saying there is, but if so), there are going to be a LOT of people on here pulling feet out of their mouths.
25 July 2008
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Buggie7 (Anonymous) says…

It doesnt matter if its true or not Dweezil. What im talking about is the fact that if they have proof then put it out there for the govt to see. If they dont they really need to give it a rest. They are even posting on the LJworld forums for people who have died in recent tragedies here in Lawrence. Thats just inhuman to get their voice heard there and everywhere else when they should be waiting for their day in court proving their innocence (sp?) and moving on with their lives if they arent. They have really shot themselves down by opening their mouths everywhere. Even out of their mouths with their statements it isnt hard to see who is guilty and who is not in this case. Let the legal system figure it out.
25 July 2008
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can8iv66049 (Anonymous) says…

on that same noteif it turns out that there is in fact something QUITE legit going on with LPD (not saying there is, but if so), there are going to be a LOT of people here pulling feet out of their mouths.2 sides to EVERY story
25 July 2008
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smitty (Anonymous) says…

It seems out local LE system isn't the only one concerned about truth telling from bloggers.http://www.commercialappeal.com/news/2008/jul/22/police-director-sues-find-identity-blogger-critica/
25 July 2008
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smitty (Anonymous) says…

If I remember correctly the suing officer was McAtee. so I looked for the libel article but can't find it. How ever I did find this on McAtee:****The inadmissible stop happened May 6, 2003, at Fast Lane convenience store at Sixth and Florida streets. According to court records, Lawrence Police >>> who once specialized in fighting gangs, was staking out the store because he had information from an unidentified source that drug deals were happening there.*****http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2004/feb/15/illegal_stop_calls/Mcatee once was a detective then an officer and now again a detective. all this in the last few years.FYI, Mcatee was the framed Det Peck's partner it seems. This is the man that is worried that the YH has tainted his reputation. Haa!!

25 July 2008
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dweezil222 (Anonymous) says…

Good. Let us not forget that one of the very reasons for the existence of the First Amendment was for the purpose of permitting citizens to air grievances against their government without fear of reprisal. Bravo to those who do so, even those whose viewpoints I may not agree with.
25 July 2008
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smitty (Anonymous) says…

Very interesting… The name of McAtee appeared in the article, appeared in the preview comment, appeared in the edited version then disappeared from the submitted text. again..The inadmissible stop happened May 6, 2003, at Fast Lane convenience store at Sixth and Florida streets. According to court records, ****Lawrence Police Officer Mike McAtee, a former detective**** who once specialized in fighting gangs, was staking out the store because he had information from an unidentified source that drug deals were happening there.
25 July 2008
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bearded_gnome (Anonymous) says…

from the article: “Neighborses” as a spelling syntax example? don't think is right. ***dweezil,indeed, the first amendment freedom of speech is in right along with freedom of assembly, freedom to petition government for redress and freedom of religeon. ***I'm with Trinity on this one: this Yellowhouse has gone on on on and on and on and on!! its now like a soap opera! who's in charge of this prosecution? the UN? geeeeeeez. and I do agree, it is pathetic how the “neighborses” [sic] hijack so many threads, it tends to make us doubt their innocence. their actions have definitely hurt their case in the public perception. so, if we are skeptical of their postings, who's got anything to worry about what they say?–A judge has been asked to revoke bond for the owners of Yellow House because federal prosecutors say the couple published false blog posts to criminallydefame three Lawrence police officers and a postal inspector.
25 July 2008
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smitty (Anonymous) says…

But then YH may be reporting what the blue wall of silence is systemically constructed to hide. The truth about corruption always hurts the guilty when exposed.
25 July 2008
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Buggie7 (Anonymous) says…

I was told and someone correct me please if this is wrong by a relative in the dept that goes back and forth as a street cop to detective back to street cop that they are on a round robin. Meaning that they serve a certain time as a detective then go back to the streets. This way all who are interested in the detectives positions gets a fair shake at it. LPD cant afford too many detectives so they well hate to put it so straight but they take turns so to speak. Has anyone else heard about this cause my relative has been a detective for about 6-12 at a time several times. If this is true would explain why McAtee has gone from detective to street cop back and forth
25 July 2008
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was_freashpowder2 (Alexander Neighbors) says…

told you there is some Dirty stuff going on !! The YH owners intimidating witnesses ?!? The only witnesses they have (the federal prosecutor) are felons who were released from prison because they said they would testify. By the way they were serving a 10 year sentence for fraud and theft and other crap. and they were let OUT !! but they have been put back in prison when it was exposed they were released.
25 July 2008
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shirinisb (Anonymous) says…

Carrie neighbors is a dumbbutt. Guy was Always nice when I was a kid. Who gives a crap about a pot plant? Not many people but she has ignited a lot of her problems on her own and makes me have less sympathy for them. They don't deserve prison but I wish Carrie would shutup. That being said anyone from Lawrence knows fully that officer McAtee is not one of the good guys. I feel sorry for his fellow lpd officers, it is cops like him tha give police a bad name.
25 July 2008
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was_freashpowder2 (Alexander Neighbors) says…

Its not just Carrie thats mainly talking about stuff. The entire neighbors family has been targeted in 4 different states, because the federal prosecutor has to save-face and they are trying to muscle family members into fabricating storys of illegal activity against guy and Carrie. After the first two years when they realized they did'nt have a case against the YH they started messing with family members, Its been almost 4 years now. They have sent FBI agents to my work and my home multiple times. I blogged about it. I thinks its funny to think that they are upset over the blog when in fact the blog is exposing the truth against their illegal activities. Have you ever seen a case where the police and the federal agents and prosecutor is affraid of blogs ?? seriously if those people had any evidence to show a crime had taken place, Don't you think they would have used it by now ? I would interested in know how much money has been spent going after the entire family. I am in Portland Oregon by the way.

25 July 2008
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Buggie7 (Anonymous) says…

fresh again if there is evidence in this blog why hasnt it presented to the authorities? Its a put up or shut up situation. If they were totally innocent then this wouldnt have gone this far I mean cmon They arent going to go after a small business with this kinda force unless its warranted. What I want to know is when the hell all this stuff will be over with? This has gone on way to long and by now all freash and YH says is really Blah Blah Blah to anyone. Dont respond to me it will be my last post one this subject because this is pointless. They did the crime and need to do the time Geez.
25 July 2008
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beobachter (Anonymous) says…

Thing is, they committed the crimes. Lock the pair up. freshpowder, you are a family member, that's all that needs to be said. Lock the crooks away, without internet access, so we aren't continually subjected to their BS lies.
25 July 2008
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somebodynew (Anonymous) says…

Bugs7 - You are both correct and incorrect in what you were told. I USED to work there (not anymore for several years), and there are a couple of positions that are temporary investigative spots and then they go back to patrol.McAtee was not one of those. He was a detective and then resigned from the department (honorably i might add) to pursue another interest. That did not work out as he planned so he was re-hired as a Patrolperson. He then had to work his time as a Patrolperson until he could apply again for Detective. And for those of you wondering why police would care about the blogs - if everything goes unchallenged an “unscrupulous” defense attorney could bring that up years later to try to challenge his character on a different case. Those officers need to show they cared and challenged the lies (and YH went “way” over the line on some of the stuff they were putting out. Which by the way, I heard somewhere that most of that has *suddenly* disappeared. Don't know if that is true because I refuse to lose that much time in my life to read their stuff.
25 July 2008
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dweezil222 (Anonymous) says…

I gathered from some early stages of this that there were allegations of evidence being fabricated. It wouldn't be unheard of.
25 July 2008
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beobachter (Anonymous) says…

yh alleges a lot. have never yet provided any proof. only links to their own blog or today it seems they have a new supporter or maybe alias that again provides links to pure BS lies.
25 July 2008
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shirinisb (Anonymous) says…

Seriously. This is just ridiculous. Normally I defend drug users and gun owners but you're making us all look bad. (that was a joke)Stop trying to look desparate. Sure, call a lawyer, piss off another judge and waste more money on getting a subpeona and attempting to sue anyone that gossips on a message board. That's so like suing the cheerleading team in Jr high for writing about you on the bathroom wallObviously not all of LPD is corrupt. Police officers are here to protect our lives, if they are bad then they deserve to rot but you can't ruin the trust that we put in these guys to save our lives every day. To the two of you who post on here defending yourselves : Who would you call If you walked in on your child being harmed? I bet your answer is 911. What if you saw an elderly woman being beaten? I'm sure you'll respond about how you could handle it yourself but face it you don't dedicate your live to protecting our lives, they do so show some gdamn respect
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Newell_Post (Anonymous) says…

I don't know anybody at Yellowhouse or at LPD. I don't have a dog in this fight. But I must say this is the most interesting media/free speech debate I have seen in many years.
25 July 2008
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was_freashpowder2 (Alexander Neighbors) says…

beobachter: you keep asking for proof, I dont know what more you could ask for in proof except you being there to see the Agents show up to mess with me. my folks have posted all of the paper work they have received from the police dept most of it is forged documents with officers names miss-spelled and signatures mis-spelled, tons of items missing from evidence. Witnesses names withheld from even the judge because it would expose that the witnesses are 3 time convicted felons, And lemme tell ya you gotta be retarded if you think a 3 time convicted felon who was in prison, prison ! during the time that the police a-ledge the illegal activity was going is in a witness in this case your just plane bonkers, he cant be a witness he was incarcerated, but because he wanted out he fabricated a story. Here you want proof http://picasaweb.google.com/guysmiley… now your swimming in it. I would suggest you read the stuff.

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Starlight (Anonymous) says…

Talk about misspelling…
25 July 2008
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been_there (Anonymous) says…

Still waiting for the police to come knocking on my door as threatened by YH (aka-you_ignorant_sick_animals) unless there really isn't a conspiracy. YH couldn't resist posting, just changed their name, their lawyer probably told them to quit.
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shirinisb (Anonymous) says…

That combative attitude is exactly why guns and drugs don't mix. Of course I wouldn't stand there, I am a registerd gun owner but I would also call 911. I wouldn't bury the person in my yard. I really don't think you and Guy deserve prison time but you seriously need a shrink, Carrie. Maybe if you are incarserated you will get the help you obviously need.
26 July 2008
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Marion (Marion Lynn) says…

Well, only an idiot would bury someone i the yard.One word:Acid.
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Marion (Marion Lynn) says…

And I notice that is is apparently just fine for the US attorney to threaten “criminal” libel; referring to a Kansas statute as there is no such statute in Missouri and posters go, “Yeah, Baby!; HIt that Yellow House!”If I however get biosolids tired of the personal attacks and say that I might pursue action under the criminal libel statute, many of you tell me that I am full of biosolids and can't do it!”Liberals” are funny people!”Liberals” are all about people; the “right” people only and we are not going to deal with the oxymoron inherent in this post right now.Someone wrote. “incarserated”, which writing set my teeth on edge.Could it be……………Hypocrisy?Or is it……………*SATAN*?……………….
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been_there (Anonymous) says…

“insert soiled jockstrap in mouth and swallow”See, that's how we can tell it's you YH, when you can't come up with a legitimate answer you lose it and get irrational. Maybe your lawyer should have another talk with you about blogging although it is quite entertaining to get you mad and sit back and watch the show.
26 July 2008
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jaywalker (Anonymous) says…

I find it more than hard to believe that the federal government and the police dept. are waging an illegitimate, unsubstantiated, malicious 'vendetta' against the Neighborseseseseseses (clean it up, JW, the different versions of plural possessives is pretty poor! pardon the alliteration).Dweezil, quit watching movies. There are millions of cops and a smattering of corruption. The overwhelming majority are good people doing a thankless job. Grow up.
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imastinker (Anonymous) says…

Jaywalker, I would agree with you. The odds of a multi state war on oen family being waged is ridiculous. I find it mumuch more likely that the neighbors are just crooks and that's why they are having trouble with police!

26 July 2008
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yellowhouse (Anonymous) says…

What sin that comes no measure knowsAnd never change the courseWithin the veins corruption flowsFreely from the source.
26 July 2008
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yellowhouse (Anonymous) says…

Just to keep the facts straight. Yellow House does not have multiple user names on this forum. If Yellow House has something to say, we say it and we let everybody know we are saying it. We do not have to hide behind fake names to make ourselves heard! In light of the current situation, We have chose to remain quiet for now…but we will be back again!
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yellowhouse (Anonymous) says…

Yes we do still have a lot to say, but out of respect for the courts and the Judge (who recommentded that we not blog until after his ruling) we have chose to remain silent.
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somebodynew (Anonymous) says…

hold the phone - I must not be awake yet. I could swear I just read yh say they have respect for the courts and the Judge. …must need more coffee….
26 July 2008
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Starlight (Anonymous) says…

“We have chose(sic) to remain quiet for now”No, you haven't as evidenced by these two posts.
26 July 2008
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Starlight (Anonymous) says…

“who recommentded(sic) that we not blog”Make that three.Where's TEAL when you need them.
26 July 2008
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justsomewench (Anonymous) says…

yay, here come the poems!
26 July 2008
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bad_dog (Anonymous) says…

Considering YH and ignorant animals claim to have no direct relationship to each other, it's interesting they have 5 posts in a row in a 46 minute period this morning. Must be coincidence. You do have Marion's support though, so all is not lost in the world of irrelevance.YH if you're innocent-and you are unless/until proven guilty, the best thing you can do is follow the advice of your counsel and remain silent until this is resolved. I know it can be difficult to do when you're fighting over your reputation and livelyhood, but ignoring this advice creates the opportunity to say something the legal equivalent of (how did sick animal put it?) oh, yes-inserting a soiled jockstrap in your mouth and swallowing.

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Buggie7 (Anonymous) says…

Ok Ok I was going to remain quiet but the yh posting they have respect for the courts is too darn funny. This family has no respect for the courts and the judges. They are still posting on here what respect is that? Also the only reason they arent saying to muc or changing their names to speak on here has nothing to do with the courts it has to do with the fact that that judge is already going to find them in hot water as it is/ By blogging more and opening their mouths endlessly as they do they will find themselves in even more hot water. People have recommended all along that you not post or blog because your insights and false claims will get you into trouble including your lawyers so why stop now? again geesh
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Guardian (Anonymous) says…

you_ignorant_sick_animals-Just six words for you-John Peter ZengerLook It Up
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Marion (Marion Lynn) says…

Guardian (Anonymous) says: you_ignorant_sick_animals-Just six words for you-John Peter ZengerLook It Up”Marion writes:Nice.
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Guardian (Anonymous) says…

Thanks Marion.
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Marion (Marion Lynn) says…

gl0ck0wnr (Anonymous) says: It will be interesting if this thread ends up in court at the next hearing as yet more evidence regarding witness tampering. My guess is that YH will eventually be charged with a number of different crimes related to their “blogging” about their trial.”Marion writes:Like what?
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was_freashpowder2 (Alexander Neighbors) says…

first off I can post anything I want. I haven't been charged with any fabricated crimes, but who knows they might try to say I made 36 million dollars doing some random illegal activity (being black in Kansas) and try to get me to take a plea deal(even when I didn't do the crime), when I say no they will pretend to take me to trial but never really do it instead they will drop the charges when the statue of limitations time is up then bring the exact same charges back, and continue with this cycle until they retire from the justice department. Remember people the statue of limitations apparently doesn't apply to Us citizens Guy and Carrie, which was created to protect people from the Gov't gl0ck0wnr.yes It will be interesting if this thread does end up in court, and the other threads which you so graciously posted on threatening the YH owners.
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was_freashpowder2 (Alexander Neighbors) says…

The reason I think they are trying to say that the YH is witness tampering is because the federal prosecutors have subpoenaed EVERY one in the Neighbors family in attempt for us to be witnesses against Guy and Carrie. Now when I talk to my parents its considered witness tampering. This is just plane odd . Why don't they just use the witnesses that were claiming Guy and Carrie were doing illegal activities in the first place…. O yea convicted felons still in prison serving time, that creates a small problem if the case was to go to trial…..
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tunahelper (Anonymous) says…

hey sick animal, you are the ignorant sick puppy!get a life.

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beobachter (Anonymous) says…

“Something smells like rotten fishy pond scum:..”and the smell is definitely coming from yh, family and mindless supporters.
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bad_dog (Anonymous) says…

“Let me educate you bafoons…”“…that's called Pro Se for all you genius's”Anyone that spells “buffoon” with an “a” and one “f” and considers the plural of genius to be some form of a personal possessive (I guess) could use a little more book learnin' themselves.”Did you know that any individual can file suit against any law enforcement officer for civil rights violations in federal court in Kansas City? Din't think so”Did you know that any lawsuit, no matter the basis, can be dismissed on the basis of failure to state a claim for which relief can be granted? In this case, the type of lawsuit you refer to would probably fall under Section 1983 of the U.S. Code. Nevertheless, Rule 11 sanctions (those would be monetary damages, you know, $$, cha ching) can be awarded against the filer if the lawsuit is determined to be frivolous? Didn't think so.I don't know who is right or wrong in this matter, but time will tell. If YH has been wronged then they are certainly entitled to the full measure of their damages under the law as determined by a jury of their peers. In the meantime, your acrimonious bile-filled posts do nothing to add to the merit of YH's defenses and in fact are likely to be considered inflammatory by the rest of the viewers-some of whom could wind up on the jury. As noted above, YH would be well served to heed the advice of counsel.
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Buggie7 (Anonymous) says…

Ignorant sick animals I just got your email and I am forwarding it to Ljworld. There is no reason for a curse word email like that. Like others I have the right to my opinions on this post. you dontlike it gor the hell elsewhere. Oh I forgot you are YH and have to be here to defend your good freakin honor. Which is a waste of time because there isnt any. Have a good day.
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Buggie7 (Anonymous) says…

Bad_dog not to be picky but if you are going to be that way on other's spelling I thought I should let you know that Didn't is spelled Didn't and not din't. Have a nice day.
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bad_dog (Anonymous) says…

Buggie7: Please note the quotation marks on either end of the sentence. That's ignorant sick animal's quote and spelling-not mine. I don't ordinarily play “grammar police” on internet blogs, (we're not submitting term papers) but when someone condescendingly urges others to educate themselves, I couldn't help but comment. Note that I didn't upbraid you for reading comprehension either ;-)Have a good day, too!
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Pogo (Anonymous) says…

Assistant U.S. Attorney Marietta Parker is certainly making a mountain out of a mole hill, it would seem. If the U.S. Government's case against Yellowhouse is so strong, why is Assistant U.S. Attorney Marietta Parker so bothered?Let's see….we got a war we're waging and losing in Iraq; we got a secondary “educational system” that's failing in this nation; Kansas is putting more kids in foster care than any other state in the Nation; there's no health insurance for over 43 million American citizens; millions upon millions of children go to bed hungry every night; the U.S.A's unemployment rate is skyrocketing; the Euro and the Yen are kicking the tar out of the U.S. dollar (that's the $ sign for those that are interested); banks and corporations throughout the land perpetrate one manner of corrupt practice after another and are immune from prosecution….to the contrary…..they get “bail outs”…. and Assistant U.S. Attorney Marietta Parker has time for this stupidness?Whew…..I'm sleeping better at night knowing political appointee's such as Assistant U.S. Attorney Marietta Parker is looking out to protect me. I'm feeling really comfortable. Thank you, Assistant U.S. Attorney Marietta Parker. Keep up the good work…..
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Starlight (Anonymous) says…

I thought I might elucidate my comment about TEAL. It stands for Typo Eradication Advancement League. Most people who have misspellings pointed out claim it's just a typo. Everyone should have www.m-w.com/home.htm in their favorites list. An acquaintance was fond of saying “they put the only perfect man on a cross a couple of millenniums ago”.Yes Pogo, There are a lot of bad people around the world, and too many people fighting over too few resources. The point is if YH is guilty they've been a party to a lot of misery right here locally. People stealing other people's stuff is what starts a lot of wars. I doubt if Parker has much authority to do anything about the Iraq war or many of the other problems you mention, but I'd sure like to see the courts fix things around here so we're in the position to help elsewhere if we can.
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Pogo (Anonymous) says…

Aren't we presumed innocent until PROVEN guilty in this Nation? Thus far ain't diddly boo been PROVEN; we still don't know where Bin Laden is; we really don't know who blew up Summerfield Hall in 1970; Richard Nixon got a pardon, blah, blah, blah.presuming yh is innocent….there sure has been a lot of perpetrating going on alright around……the perpetration of sham justice. I love it.

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Starlight (Anonymous) says…

A presumption of innocence doesn't preclude prosecution.
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was_freashpowder2 (Alexander Neighbors) says…

Starlight:–—A reminder its been almost 4 years, the owners have still not been charged with fencing stolen goods. Also the current charges they are charged with were dropped last year and brought back. to refresh your memory use link below. http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2007/nov… am pretty sure if they were guilty they would have taken the plea deal, think about it. Money laundering and fencing carry 25 years if convicted. The plea deal would probably be for 1.5 year lockup and probation so its in their best interest to plea…. but they are NOT guilty. Seriously now How long does it take to convict someone who is guilty of such a serious charge ? 4 years ? 8 years ? 15 years Most cases I looked up the criminals were locked up and the trial was over before it started because they pleaded because they were obviously guilty. With all of this weird stuff going on can you honestly say they are guilty ?
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Pogo (Anonymous) says…

Fascism is NOT new in the U.S.A. Some of us embrace it; some of us resist it. It's pretty clear which side one is on simply by reading what one says, does, or writes.”Star Light Star bright,The first star I see tonight,I wish I may, I wish I might,Have the wish I wish tonight.”I think, however, we have to remember some stars are dark stars.I wonder if this is the prosecutor who cried in open court……hmmmmm….makes one wonder…..
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Marion (Marion Lynn) says…

gl0ck0wnr (Anonymous) says: “Marion (Marion Lynn) says:Like what?”I'd imagine witness tampering would be a good start. I'm not talking about the multiple personalities that seem to have come out of the woodwork, but the attempt to intimidate other witnesses. On the civil side, if I were one of the multiple officers mentioned repeatedly in the blogs, I'd certainly go after them for civil liability as well”Marion writes:Well, OK and now I have a question to pose to you.Agnostick has repeatedly called me a “spammer” which I am not and most lately called me 'pump-and-dump” spammer, which I am not, nor have I ever been.Since the burden of proof lies with Agnostick, would it be OK with you for me to begin both a criminal libel and a civil proceeding for libel against Agnostick?Just wondering.By the way, I saved the offending posts, so no going back on that one.Let me know!
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Marion (Marion Lynn) says…

I have also saved libelous posts made by “Beobachter”, “TOB and a few others..Let's add them to the question I posed.
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Marion (Marion Lynn) says…

Agnostick wrote:”Agnostick (Anonymous) says: Marion (Marion Lynn) says:Aggie, you borrow Merrill's cut-and-paster, or what?And did the LJW staff approve those links that you always include at the end of your posts?_____________________________________________________Every computer has the ability to “copy and paste” from other articles. Surely, a wide-ranging “pump and dump” stock spammer like yourself would know this:?The LJW staff has never contacted me about the links I sometimes attach to my “signature file.” I'm guessing that if they really had a problem with it, they'd contact me about it. They are not my own personal web sites-they are there for informational purposes. They are not a poorly-disguised effort to re-route LJW traffic to my own dying, shoddily-run excuse for a discussion forum. I think that's an effort that you would know more about.Agnostickagnostick@excite.comhttp://www.independentvoting.orghttp://marciaford.blogspot.com”Marion writes:Since Agnsotick cannot prove this manifestly false and libellous claim, do I not have the same rights which you suggest the officers of the LPD exercise?
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Marion (Marion Lynn) says…

Well…………………………………..Ya got anything to say?Well, do ya punks?
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Marion (Marion Lynn) says…

Speak!Ceasar is turned to hear!

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Marion (Marion Lynn) says…

gl0ck0wnr (Anonymous) says: Uh: contact your lawyer?”Marion writes:You do not contact your lawyer for criminal libel prosecutions; you contact the police as criminal libel is just waht it says; a crime.Now, would you care to answer my question or only do what you ususally do when you are backed up against the wall, which is of course, to “pansy” out?
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jaywalker (Anonymous) says…

Pogo:Could you wander a little farther off point please? What are your thoughts on 'great taste/less filling'?”and Assistant U.S. Attorney Marietta Parker has time for this stupidness?”Perhaps you didn't hear, but Parker isn't Prez. The Asst. U.S. attorney has no say in foreign policy, education, world hunger, social services, or banking. Where'd you get your education - Chuck E. Cheese?
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Pogo (Anonymous) says…

Asst. U.S. attorneys are bought and paid for political hacks; typically with little or no experience. Fit the bill for parker?While this specific political patronage hack may not have clout….other than to harrass citizens with Big Government squashing, the Office of the U.S. Attorney DOES have resources to focus prosecutions where they belong.Even if YH is GUILTY as sin, I could care less. I'd rather see the U.S. Attny's office prosecuting white collar criminals who bilk retired folks out of their lives savings; or go after government corruption and stupidity; or any other number of things.Again, is this the “prosecutor” that bawled in Court to get her way? This entire sordid matter is merely a metaphor for just how inept Bush has been in putting the right people in the right jobs.Now if it really is called the Department of Just Us, Parker is where she belongs. My bad.
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smitty (Anonymous) says…

Don't ask a question if you don't already know the answer??Yes, this whiner victim mentality regression in affirmative action bawled her eyes out in court and sobbed for the judge to make them stop talking about her!!!
27 July 2008
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smitty (Anonymous) says…

Wasn't it over drug use in the closest of family history??
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pace (Anonymous) says…

It should bother any citizen that the police and district attorneys are saying they are intimidated from testifying because yh blogs about their ongoing prosecution. Maybe if the police blogged or developed decent communication policies with the community they could get over it. I am tired of the jury”who has determined there is no substance to the complaints because they donÂ't like the voice or attitude of yh. If anyone dares to speak to the issues rather than the personalities of the case, the self appointed jury is sure the person is yhÂ's secret cousin. Trite and more boring, but does let them off the hook of actually discussing the issue of ÂHow does it affect the community if the police arenÂ't professional? One thing, this one is costing us more than a million. Someone has dropped the ball, one way or another. I donÂ't care about the yh as much as i care how the police and district attorney act professionally. The police are acting like they donÂ't have to be responsible because all their victims are criminals, they are acting they are above the rules. hello. Who needs vigilante justice behind a badge?
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smitty (Anonymous) says…

Conspiracy or systemic? The city commission and manager's blind eye deaf ear handling of Olin's abuse of powers is well documented. So is the apathy of Lawrence's shakers and movers. There is a strong under the table attitude to hide facts that will produce a less than glorious outlook of Lawrence by the incestuous involvement of the CC in Lawrence's portrayal of itself to the public. example of systemic:http://news.yahoo.com/comics/herman
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jaywalker (Anonymous) says…

Pogo rants:”Asst. U.S. attorneys are bought and paid for political hacks; typically with little or no experience.”“This entire sordid matter is merely a metaphor for just how inept Bush has been in putting the right people in the right jobs.”Better to be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt. Too late for you, Pogo.

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snap_pop_no_crackle (Anonymous) says…

marioni never did explain why he kicked freestyle to the curb over on that odious 'fourm'.Of course, it is possible that freestyle had said everything he needed to say & stopped posting of his own accord. Spicedham,it'snotjustforbreakfastanymore.
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Marion (Marion Lynn) says…

Glock:Here is the question asked:”Marion writes:Since Agnsotick cannot prove this manifestly false and libellous claim, do I not have the same rights which you suggest the officers of the LPD exercise?”I already know the answer; I'm asking you if you do!
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tumbilweed (Anonymous) says…

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smitty (Anonymous) says…

Will today's 9am continuation bring aboutThe Loco-motion???Everybody's doin' a brand new dance now.Come on baby, do the **Loco-Motion.**I know you'll get to like it if you give it a chance now.Come on baby, do the **Loco-Motion.**My little baby sister can do it with ease,It's easier than learnin' your ABCs.So, come on, come on, and do **The Loco-Motion** with me.You've got to swing your hips now,Oooo …Come on,Oooo …Come on.Jump up,Oooo …Jump up.Jump back,Oooo …Jump back.Oh, well, I think you've got the knack.Oooo …Woah … woah.Now that you can do it, well, let's make a chain now.Come on baby, do the **Loco-Motion.**A chuga-chuga motion like a railroad train, now.Come on baby, do the **Loco-Motion.**Do it nice and easy now, and don't lose control,A little bit of rhythm and a lot of soul,So, come on, come on, and do **The Loco-Motion** with me.Woah … woah.Move around the floor in a **loco-motion.**Come on baby, do the **Loco-Motion.**Do it holdin' hands if'n you get the notion.Come on baby, do the **Loco-Motion.**There's never been a dance that's so easy to do,It even makes you happy when you're feelin' blue.So, come on, come on, and do **The Loco-Motion** with me.Come on baby, do the **Loco-Motion.**So, come on, come on, and do **The Loco-Motion** with me.Come on baby, do the **Loco-Motion.**So, come on, come on, and do **The Loco-Motion** with me.Come on baby, do the **Loco-Motion.**Come on baby, do the **Loco-Motion.**Come on baby, do the **Loco-Motion.**(repeat to fade) Grand Funk RailroadIt's not a closed hearing so the JW's top investigative reporter should be there to bring us up to date on the **Loco-motion**. But is it the feds or the defendants that are loco? Time will tell. Has anyone else noticed the presence of FBI all around the LE and city authorities offices? I really feel sorry for the local gov employees that are rumored to have been threatened if they expose any of the information about the activity in our city.BTW JW, how's the ethics survey going with the city employees?
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smitty (Anonymous) says…

There just are times when there is no response to questions, not due to frivolity but due to the closeness of the truth? Sure hope all you government employees are forming a group to help write the City of Lawrence's whistle Blowers Ordinance. But can you may contact our new auditor for assistance?