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getreal (Anonymous) says…

The GOP keeps suggesting that illegal immigrants are voting. Where's the proof that this is taking place in Kansas? The GOP consistently looks for ways to suppress voters. They want closed primaries, because they want the leaders of the party to wield all the power. They don't care what every day voters have to say. That's why I'm changing my party affiliation on Feb. 5th at the Democratic Caucus!

SettingTheRecordStraight (Anonymous) says…

Liberals like getreal only want election safeguards put in place after a crime has occured. Others want sensible measures put in place to prevent voter fraud from ever happening.

ASBESTOS (Anonymous) says…

” Where's the proof that this is taking place in Kansas?”

Where is the proof that it is NOT occurring in Kansas? If one has a DL legal or otherwise, you can register in Kansas, and you will receive help in Spanish. Now, I have no problem giving a legal immigrant or a legal resident a help in voting if they qualify, but nothing and I mean nothing for ilelgal aliens with no identities.

I bet you would not be saying that if they voted in the majority for Republicans!

ASBESTOS (Anonymous) says…

Oh, and “get real” I believe it was a majority of “Republicans” that were “Blamed” for calling in in such large numbers that they shut down the Senate, House, and Whitehouse switchboards, email boxes, and fax machines in opposing the “Comprehensive Immigrations Stupidity Plan”. It was Harry Reid (the American Traitor) that called ilelgal aliens “un documented Americans”, that brought this to a vote TWICE, and lost TWICE with a democratic majority!!!!!! By Harry Reid's definitions the entire world are “American Citizens”, because they are “undocumented”.

beobachter (Anonymous) says…

Asbestos, if there is a problem why is so hard to prove it? Actually this is just a continuation example of current administrations policy of fear. The idiot in chief is brainless and has attracted a following that is as ignorant as he is. Sadder still is the average Kansan falls for this line of crap. Kansas, as ignorant as believed.

beobachter (Anonymous) says…

So basically, you are simply using fear tactics, no logical provable facts. Further, if you are an illegal working to make a few bucks to send home, why would you want to waste the time to attempt to vote and risk getting caught? And further, how would this very, very few possibly affect an election?

sdinges (Anonymous) says…

I think people on both sides make this out to be a far bigger deal than it actually is. Our government wastes our money on worse things than issuing photo IDs to people who have no passport, no driver's license or no naturalization certificate (they even give you picture ID when you complete the citizenship process!). Which means the only people needing picture IDs to vote are citizens who are born in the U.S., don't drive and never leave the country. These people also don't drink, smoke, or patronize strip clubs, because that would also require I.D.

Secondly, I seriously doubt illegal immigrants are rushing out en masse to commit voting fraud. Illegal immigrants are often afraid to go to the hospital or file a police report, for fear of getting caught and deported. Furthermore, voting fraud is a quick way to make sure you can never pursue a legal path to citizenship in this country. It's right up there with ticking the “Yes” box for being a member of the Nazi Party, or being a habitual drunkard and engaging in prostitution, while testing positive for TB and AIDS.

It's not unreasonable to expect people to show I.D. when they vote. It seems like a no-brainer to ensure there's only one vote per person. I don't know why it's made out to be an immigration issue.

average (Anonymous) says…

I'm for it. But, the various levels of government need to figure out how *everyone* who will need an ID to vote can get one *for free*. The state will have to pick up the tab of finding and verifying obscure and difficult birth certificates and whatever other documentation is needed. No “photo fees”. No renewal fees. No change of address fee. No charge to replace lost IDs (up to a reasonable 2 or 3 a year). Not even postage. Until the Repubs are willing to fund it, this is a poll tax on targeted segments of our community.

toefungus (Anonymous) says…

ID's are a long overdue requirement.

beobachter (Anonymous) says…

DL, it seems you are the one living in La-La land as you call it. I live in real world, not in a world of fear as W wants us to. The real fear I have is that there are so many willing to give up their freedom because of some boogey man called a terrorist. Unfortunately we have a president who depends on fear to advance his personal agenda. Al quaida didn't exist in iraq prior to our invasion. Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11. Most of 9/11 attackers were Saudi. W was determined to get Saddam when he stole the presidency, because Saddam dissed his daddy. Typical dumb drunken texas red-neck response.

jumpin_catfish (Anonymous) says…

This is sooo simple, ID is required for so many things, why is this a big deal? Show your ID and vote.

beobachter (Anonymous) says…

Anyone using Missouri as an example of anything other than stupidity is beyond hope.

beobachter (Anonymous) says…

Goodness DL, watch your blood pressure. I'm not a Republican, I believe in freedom of speech and the constitution as originally written. If you want to live in fear, OK by me, just don't expect me too or don't try to force me too as your beloved W does.

bearded_gnome (Anonymous) says…

Supporters say the measure will combat election fraud and prevent illegal immigrants from casting ballots. Critics contend such a law will suppress turnout.

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looks like the democrat party *wants* fraudulant voting? is it because they have profited by it?

when congresswoman sanchez was first elected in southern cal there were reports that illegals were voting in that, but Bob Dornan chose not to contest it, just as nixon in '60 chose not to contest kennedy's win, though there was good evidence a crime boss in chicago engineered his win.

remember, it was democrats, algore/lawyersin every florida county of florida, trying to suppress the counting of military overseas ballots in 2000, that is a well reported fact.

VoiceOfReason (Anonymous) says…

“They want closed primaries, because they want the leaders of the party to wield all the power.”
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Ummmm…no. I'm not a party leader, but I sure as hell don't want someone from another party, out to defeat mine, to decide what candidate represents ME and MY beliefs in the election. If you want to choose one of the candidates, sign up to vote in their party. That candidate is supposed to represent the constituents who elected them…not every moron who didn't have to go to work that day and thought, “Gee! Let's see what idiot I can vote for!” @@ You think everyone should be allowed to vote in everyone else's primary so we can all hold hands afterwards and sing about togetherness???

kubacker (Anonymous) says…

You open borders idiots just don't get it! Your illegal alien buddies have grossly and shamelessly taken advantage of our country's generosity and outrageously gamed our system of freedoms, rights and benefits for citizens.

Now the worm has turned and KS is going to have a voter ID law, like it or not, and will soon have all the not-in-my-state laws for illegal aliens that are in effect in az, ar, ok, co, ga and MO (by executive order) and which are in the process of being enacted in most other states across the country.

Adios amigos!

kubacker (Anonymous) says…

One good thing about the complete halt in new home construction and impending recession is that it will flush a huge amount of illegal alien construction workers out of the country!

logicsound04 (Anonymous) says…

“If we don't require that people prove who they are when they vote, there's not too many ways to prove they shouldn't be voting, is there?”

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Except that whole registration process. Yet the proponents of this bill want us to believe there are no checks on voter eligibility.

Last time I checked, I am required to give my name when I walk up to the voting line. My name is listed if I am a properly registered voter. I can admit that it is possible to walk up and give a name other than mine, why can't the opposition admit that it is unlikely? Do you really think these illegal aliens, that probably speak limited English are going to walk up to the polling place, guess at a name that hasn't been checked off and vote with no problems? And if you think that happens—do you really think it happens with enough frequency to affect precinct outcomes?

Paranoid is the word that comes to mind.

The only thing that requiring a photo ID at the polls on election day accomplishes is adding one more step (that costs money and therefore constitutes an illegal polling tax) that will discourage voters from making the effort. The Republicans stand to benefit the most from low election turnout and this is just another way of making sure that happens.

logicsound04 (Anonymous) says…

This bill will never see the light of day.

It will be overturned on the grounds that it constitutes an illegal polling tax.

(Unless the bill provides free photo ID voter cards for anyone who requests one)

Agnostick (Anonymous) says…

I fully support the requirement for a photo ID, for purposes of voting.

Photo IDs have become obligatory in so many other parts of daily life, whether its retail purchases, proof of age, proof of residence etc.

I would also ask what proof there is that one particular party—Republicans, in this case—actually “benefits” from low voter turnout?

A bigger threat to low turnout, IMHO, is the outdated caucus system we have in Kansas. They should be abandoned and replaced with open primaries, similar to what is done in New Hampshire.

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ASBESTOS (Anonymous) says…

“This bill will never see the light of day.

It will be overturned on the grounds that it constitutes an illegal polling tax.”

NOPE! NY has the “motor voter bill” and it is not a polling tax, and Georgia also has the same law as well.

And there are NO legal challanges to it as well.

You are wrong.

Why do you guys want to “disenfranchise” American Citizens?

ASBESTOS (Anonymous) says…

I guess there is a lot of white hater racists on here as well.

jaketh (Anonymous) says…

If you are going to have voter ID, then, the rule needs to enforced fairly. The election poll officers need to be trained to treat everyone equally, ie, check everyone's ID regardless who they are. I have noticed white voters not being asked for their ID, whereas, non-white voters (who had non-American sounding names) were asked for their IDs right here in Lawrence.

jaketh (Anonymous) says…

The greatest fear is fear itself. GOP is quite good at perpuating this myth.

Illegal immigrants voting. Give me a break. What a farce. Prove it. Give us some facts. This is propoganda bs. Most migrants can barely read & comprehend English, let alone familiarize themselves with the 101 issues, judges, school board members, City, County, State house & senate, House of Representives or US Senate races. It is barely manageable for a normal American to be aware of all the issues.

Besides, we should concentrate more on increasing voter participation not creating road blocks. Only 40% vote.

beobachter (Anonymous) says…

GOP is very good at trying to create fear. No potential irregular votes should counted except those for GOP. Example, Fla and ohio. How else could current occupant occupy the office of pres?

deskboy04 (Anonymous) says…

I don't see what the problem is with requiring ID.

justfornow (Anonymous) says…

If you wanna vote show your I.D. It's that simple. Do Democrats have a manual they refer to when deciding what/who they can support or not support, because this one has NO valid argument.

logicsound04 (Anonymous) says…

assbestos:

I'm pretty sure the Georgia law was overturned, for the exact reason I am claiming.

Oh wait, in fact, I know it was:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/con…

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DL,

No amount of red herring is going to change the facts about what requiring an ID to vote constitutes. The difference between clothes and an ID is that it is illegal to be naked in public. It is not illegal to be ID-less in public.

And no matter how many reasons you give as to why having a photo idea might be a good idea, it is not required.

I have pointed out numerous times that I have no objection in principle to requiring photo IDs, so long as they are given out as part of the process. I don't understand why this is an unacceptable compromise unless the goal is to drive people off.

jaketh (Anonymous) says…

Dirty Linen:

It seems all the examples you point out are of American citizens filling out ballots for their dead spouses as you posted at 8:26 PM. Americans are causing voter frauds, not illegals which is the rationale of the KS GOP for passing this law.

It seems the problems lie in absentee ballots, not, voting in person.

Your point is moot. Where is the proof that illegal migrants were voting? All the examples you have given above are of US citizens. Case closed.

jaketh (Anonymous) says…

and all I said about that was that proof is impossible because there's no way of knowing _who_ votes illegally- Dirty

You yourself just refuted all the claims that you have made. If you do not have any evidence, then, you have no basis to make a claim. Your argument lacks reasoning skills.

As for my rationale, may be you should scroll up & read the article on the very top. What does the title say? “State GOP takes stand on requiring voter ID” & especially, the last paragraph which states,
“Supporters say the measure will combat election fraud and prevent illegal immigrants from casting ballots.”

To prevent election fraud, your own evidence suggests we should tackle the problem of absentee ballots.

There is no evidence that illegal migrants vote. Migrants are easy targets when economic harship is faced by the country for the very fact they do NOT vote!

Only American citizens vote. If illegal migrants were voting, i think the the politicians would be listening to their issues. Isn't that how things work in our democracy? Ha! Ha!

Haiku_Cuckoo (Anonymous) says…

This is totally unfair! If I'm required to show my ID to vote, how will I be able to cast multiple votes for my favorite candidate?

jaketh (Anonymous) says…

Dirty:

Read the news above again. Its in b&w. If this legislation is to prevent voter fraud, then say so. Tackle the issues. Why is the KS GOP & their supporters using illegal migrants as a means to pass their legislation. Its because they are easy targets. GOP is messing with your minds. No wonder people like you get riled up when they claim illegals are voting…

I'm the KS GOP. “Hmmm how can I get my difficult legislation passed? Ohhhh lets say its to prevent illegals. People will surely buy that.” Ka Chingggg…

bunnyhawk (Anonymous) says…

There is far more evidence of GOP tricks to keep Democratic votes from being counted than there is of any type of individual voter fraud. Gee………remember how we got stuck with GWB in the first place?????????????

logicsound04 (Anonymous) says…

Woo, I've been away for a while.

DL,

I fail to see how my answer to your clothes example is selective.

The fact that one must be wearing clothes to vote is irrelevant, 1) because if you vote by mail, you technically DON'T have to wear clothes to vote, and 2) one literally cannot do anything in U.S. society without clothes. Since it is required for every other aspect of public life, it cannot be construed as a polling tax, because there is no way to exist in the U.S. without clothing. People, however, can subsist in the U.S. without an ID, no matter how difficult it might be.

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“It is not illegal to be without transportation. It is not illegal to have a job. But traveling to the polling place and/or missing work both carry a monetary cost to the voter. Why aren't they poll taxes?”

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You can still vote without transportation (it's called walking) and you can still vote without having to miss work.

Since you can exercise your right to vote without either of those things, they are, by definintion, not polling taxes.

logicsound04 (Anonymous) says…

“Funny how you didn't comment on the situation with Missouri's law. Let me recap for you: The state _did_ provide for free IDs, and even went beyond that to bring the process to people who couldn't get to a DMV office. The objection of the courts was that because people had to have something like a birth certificate to get the free ID, it still cost them money to get _those_ documents.”

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Two reasons I didn't comment on the Missouri law:

1) they provide the IDs for free

2) a birth certificate is already a requirement to be a U.S. citizen, voting only requires that one find a document that already exists (theoretically). The monetary cost therefore comes from people who have lost theirs, not from the need for one in the first place.

beobachter (Anonymous) says…

DL can only use the fear technique. No proof fraud has ever occurred or is likely too. Just an attempt to panic people to vote their paranoia and sheer racial bias and hatred.

beobachter (Anonymous) says…

And you have not provided one valid reason as to why it is needed or how the cost of such a system would be paid. You simply are trying to solve a problem that doesn't exist.

jayhawkbarrister (Anonymous) says…

DirtyLinen,

Heinrich Himmler called. He wants to pin on you a Star of the Vaderland for your glorious work on behalf of the Reich. The Fuhrer would give it to you himself, but you know how busy he is. National Identification cards were the first step in the categorization of individuals in Nazi Germany eight months before Krystallnacht (state-sponsored book burning). What followed were J-Stamps, the requirement of wearing the Star of David, and the Final Solution that murdered six million. Even if ID cards will prevent voter fraud as you allege (and there is no evidence that voter fraud will stop — it just will happen in the future with an ID card), I will put up with a little voter fraud in the alternative. I don't want to go down that slippery slope of a national ID card as a society or as an individual.

I find your vociferous defense of the ID card and your childlike faith in the system amusing. Now, go get your Star.

justfornow (Anonymous) says…

americorps (Anonymous) says…

I realize you hate America dirtyliar, it is what I expect for a baby burner such as yourself, but any reason you use only that one study and not the multitude of others that show different results…oh yea..I forgot..because you are a liar and have no ethics.

americorps until you live in America shut your F'n mouth, you damn Traitor.

ASBESTOS (Anonymous) says…

Sorry for the Krazy Kool aide Krowd, but this is about ilelgal aliens voting. Who in their right mind would allow another country's citizen to participate in our elections!!!!! Who would be against that? Who would suppport ilelgal aliens voting but not requiring there not be appropriate IDs. You need them to register anyway. You need them to set up a bank account, and get just about anything else.

Additionally this is not a Republican Party issue, look at the proposals from the Democrats to stop ilelgal immigration into the state and to prevent them from getting benefits.

Most Americans, that is reasonable and rational Amercans both D's and R's recopgnise the problem of illegal immigration.

beobachter (Anonymous) says…

Asbestos, neither you nor DL have shown any reason for such a law. Where is the wide spread abuse or even any abuse occurring? Just a typical GOP scare tactic. Less than a year to go before W and idiot administration is gone. As its_getting_warmer stated, looks like a solution in search of a problem. Of course that is standard GOP policy.

justfornow (Anonymous) says…

Darn it americorps you have found me out, yes from right here in Lawrence Ks, I am trying to bring my country to her knees. If it weren't for you meddling posters I would have gotten away with it.