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Kansas urged to rethink immigration proposals

Electronic verification system called ‘not ready for prime time’

January 27, 2008

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— Republicans and Democrats in the Kansas Legislature say the best way to take a bite out of illegal immigration is to punish employers who hire workers who are not supposed to be here.

"There are problems here that need to be addressed in the Kansas workplace," said House Minority Leader Dennis McKinney, D-Greensburg.

But business officials in Oklahoma, which recently adopted what many say is the toughest anti-illegal immigration law in the country, say Kansas legislators should rethink their proposals.

"Be very, very cautious before going into this minefield," said Mike Seney, senior vice president for operations at the Oklahoma Chamber of Commerce. "There is a reason for a federal pre-emption on this."

Seney said Oklahoma businesses are seeking to repeal portions of the Sooner State's law - even before sanctions against businesses are set to kick in.

One of the problems, Seney said, is that the Oklahoma law requires businesses to register and use the federal government's electronic verification program, known as E-verify. It allows employers to access federal databases to verify whether a person is a citizen or legally in the country and eligible to work.

Proposals before the Kansas Legislature would do the same.

But Seney said E-verify has problems.

"For a company that does a lot of hiring or has a lot of turnover, it's going to be cumbersome, and sometimes it's not accurate," Seney said.

If someone is denied employment because of an error, "then you have a problem with possible discrimination lawsuits," he said.

The National Immigration Law Center says errors are common in the E-verify system because of inaccurate federal records. And the potential exists that the program would be susceptible to privacy and security lapses, the center says.

"It's not ready for prime time," said Tyler Moran, employment policy director for the immigration law center. "It has been proven over and over again by independent studies to have some pretty significant weaknesses."

But in a House Democratic proposal, if an employer uses E-verify, it can be used as a defense to show the employer made a good-faith effort to not hire an undocumented worker.

"It's the best we have," state Rep. Nile Dillmore, D-Wichita, said of E-verify. "It's available, and I'm sure over time it will improve."

Legislators also have said the E-verify requirement won't go into effect until Jan. 1, 2009, which should give employers plenty of time to familiarize themselves with the program, and time for the federal government to improve it.

But Moran said the federal government established this system more than 10 years ago, and it still has serious problems.

She said the best way to solve immigration problems is for the Congress and President Bush - not the states - to deal with the issue.

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jaketh 6 years, 2 months ago

Sigmund,

You cite employers as being immoral by exploiting the migrants. We have to look our society as a whole, because we, Americans are addicted to cheap products due to their cheap labor. If you abide by your argument, then, we should not consuming any cheap imports from China as they exploit labor, have horrendous safety & environmental standards (remember the lead in toys issue this past Holiday season?).

Are we willing to do that? Everything in Wal-Mart is Made in China. Try finding a pair clothing that is Made in the USA nowadays.... Its an extinct species.

Above all, the migrants themselves are bettering their lives & of their children. It is a matter of survival for them. When your belly is hungry, morality is secondary, one's primary instinct is survival. Isn't it moral to work & provide for your family even if it means crossing the border.

If tomorrow, we had a Depression, would you cross the border & work in Canada even if that is illegal, & if that is what gets your family fed & clothe? What is moral? You not working because it is illegal or you feeding your family.

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Sigmund 6 years, 2 months ago

Just in case you think I am overstating my case, "A former top Hollywood studio lawyer and his wife were on Monday sentenced by a Los Angeles judge after admitting to mistreating their Filipino maid in a case of 'modern-day slavery,' a court heard."

"Jackson's wife Elizabeth, 54, was given a three-year jail term after pleading guilty to a charge of forced labor." http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=080129000930.nnjcn3bm&show_article=1

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Sigmund 6 years, 2 months ago

And again jaketh argues we should exploit illegals because it provides economic benefit. Why not just turn them into slaves and maximize the economic benefit? Because it is immoral.

As for that 2006 Texas study, based upon 2005 data, it also concluded "While state revenues exceed state expenditures for undocumented immigrants, local governments and hospitals experience the opposite, with the estimated difference being $928.9 million for 2005." http://www.ailf.org/ipc/spotlight/spotlight_122206.pdf

Further, there are no state income taxes in Texas and the sales and use tax rate is 6.25%, but local taxing jurisdictions (cities, counties, special purpose districts, and transit authorities) may also impose sales and use tax up to 2% for a total maximum combined rate of 8.25%. Texas gets its revenues from a higher sales tax, Kansas gets less from sales tax and income tax. Assuming "undocumented" illegal immigrants, and their employers, are less likely to pay both Kansas and Federal Income and other related taxes then any "benefit" seen in Texas is less likely to accrue to Kansas.

Studies in other states, for instance NY and CA, with an income tax have found a net cost. But Economist Gordon Hanson probably stated it best, illegal immigrants is probably a wash, and "the benefits of illegal immigration are enjoyed by one group -- the employers who hire them (and the consumers of their services) -- while the costs are incurred by other groups -- low-skilled workers and taxpayers in states where illegal immigrants reside." http://online.wsj.com/public/article/SB115100948305787940-tA5PP0Ya_9U0AlXBQQhnaDyMIYc_20060725.html?mod=tff_main_tff_top

In any event, I don't need an economic study to tell me that exploiting illegal labor (or child labor, or slave labor) even if there is a monetary gain is immoral. If you can't agree to that simple principle we don't have anything further to discuss.

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jaketh 6 years, 2 months ago

jaketh (Anonymous) says: "They pay sales tax, they do not file for tax returns, they do not get social security nor medi care that is dedcuted." If true, this is exploitation of a desperate human being and you ought to be ashamed of yourself, and not praising or promoting it. - Sigmund

I am neither condoning it nor praising it. Just stating the mere facts as many above have accussed the migrants coming to America & free loading off the welfare, education & social system which is costing the American tax payers. This makes for neat little brain washing (remember the former Soviet Union was pretty good at this art).

We all need to get our facts straight before levelling accussations or getting caught up in the whirl wind of anti-migrant sentiments. In fact, Wichita Eagle Beacon article states just the opposite:

"In Texas, a 2005 comptroller general's report found that the $1.16 billion that illegal immigrants received in public benefits, such as education, were outweighed by the $1.58 billion they contributed to state coffers. Likewise, in Arizona, a recent study using 2004 data found that the net economic impact of illegal workers was a benefit of $940 million."

State of Kansas will not do an audit like Texas for obvious reasons.

http://www.kansas.com/611/story/288910.html

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jaketh 6 years, 2 months ago

No need for the government to raise the minimum wage, the market will do that for them. - Sigmund

This is exactly what the market is dictating right now. Americans do not want to take the jobs the migrants are filling in. This is what markets do cause we are addicted to cheap imported goods & cheap imported migrant labor.

You know not all illegals migrants are going to be sent away--11 million nation wide & 70,000 in Kansas. It is not possible. That's a size of Lawrence moving away. It is just that some unfortunate ones will get caught, rest will stay.

It will lead to unfair competition. Some employers may hire legally & pay higher wages which will make their cost of production higher. While their competition may be doing the old practice & providing lower prices. In order to level the field, the government needs to intervene in the market to set a minimum wages of $8-12/hour so that Americans may be tempted to take the work they so undesire.

Frankly, I doubt it will happen. We cannot work hard. Our prosperity has made us too soft. We have lost our work ethic. We all want our cushy white collar jobs. We don't want to get our fingers dirty.

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deskboy04 6 years, 2 months ago

I guess that there's nothing that can be done about the problem. The states can't do anything and the feds won't...so do the best that you can.

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Sigmund 6 years, 2 months ago

jaketh (Anonymous) says: "They pay sales tax, they do not file for tax returns, they do not get social security nor medi care that is dedcuted."

If true, this is exploitation of a desperate human being and you ought to be ashamed of yourself, and not praising or promoting it.

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Sigmund 6 years, 2 months ago

jaketh, By reducing the supply of illegal workers, employers will be forced by a labor shortage to raise their wages in order to attract workers. No need for the government to raise the minimum wage, the market will do that for them. Then the government can go back to doing what governments all across history and all across the world have done, controlling their borders.

If you look at what the impact of the abolition of slavery did to agricultural after the Civil War you will have a good idea what is likely to happen now. Increased wages for labor and increased investment in new technologies that leveraged labor, allowing fewer workers to be more productive. Both are good things.

But if your point is some food will be more expensive, I agree. Food, like anything that is priced too cheap because of semi-slave labor, is wasted and over consumed. Some will respond to higher prices by switching to cheaper substitutes or eating a bit less. Those that can't or won't do that may have to postpone buying that new big screen TV, laptop, or other none necessity. This country has more of a problem with obesity than starvation and part of the problem is food is too cheap.

But even if the society benefited economically by exploiting illegal labor, it is still immoral and illegal, That is like arguing that slavery benefits a society and should be allowed. That is an idea most people reject.

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americorps 6 years, 2 months ago

deansmith1010 (Anonymous) says: never forget how you have been treated by the Hispanic, Latino, Chicano, Mexican community. Not only do they break into your house:But then they demand to be taken care of while living in your house.


You are a racist liar.

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jaketh 6 years, 2 months ago

Sigmund,

We all scream bloody murder against migrants cause they are being exploited by greedy employers or they drive down wages. We cry for justice for the American people to our leaders to drive them all out, but, as you say "These are "jobs that Americans won't do at slave wages."

Then, you need to ask our leaders to increase the minimum wages to non-slave wages. Why don't we all write, fax. call &/or email the Congress to increase the minimum wages to $12/hour so that we can have non-slave wages.

What do you think your increase in minimum wages is going to do? Prices will increase as well. It's supply & demand. Employers are not going absorp the high labor costs. So in essence, we may high wages, but everything else will also cost more. In the end, the American worker will really never see any significant savings in their pocket.

As for the other poster, a study in Texas has shown that actually the state of Texas gained from illegals' tax contribution after deducting the costs of their "illegal welfare." Kansas has so far resisted a study like this. They in fact contribute to the state economy. They pay sales tax, they do not file for tax returns, they do not get social security nor medi care that is dedcuted.

http://www.kansas.com/611/story/288910.html

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Sigmund 6 years, 2 months ago

Importing cheap illegal labor drives wages down for entry level jobs. Employers who insult Americans by claiming these are "jobs that Americans won't do" are only telling part of the story. These are "jobs that Americans won't do at slave wages." Every study I have seen on work and productivity chastises Americans for working too hard and long compared to their counterparts in the EU and around the world, not the other way around.

Democratic politicians want illegal workers in hopes they will become illegal voters. Republican politicians want illegal workers to curry favor with big Agriculture and Construction. The American people on the other hand, are overwhelming against illegal immigration because they want a honest wage for a honest days work. This is one of the reasons Congress's approval ratings are less than that of the President.

You say that immigration reform can never happen, I disagree. Had the McCain-Fiengold merely raised the limits on legal immigration and raised the penalties for hiring illegals it would have had overwhelming support. I don't want cheap lettuce fruits and vegetables if it means exploitation of illegals and lower wages for Americans. The majority of moral law abiding people, of all ethnicity, feel exactly the same way.

I am willing to pay a fair price for my pb&j even if it means I eat it less often. It will be better for my body and my soul.

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Brittanicus 6 years, 2 months ago

Kansas should not be left behind, to force the states taxpayers to burdern more taxes, to pay for the destitute of other foreign countries? If we are serious about avoiding the fiscal costs of illegal immigration, the only real option is to enforce the law and reduce the number of illegal aliens in the country. With Arizona, Colorado and Oklahoma and shortly Indiana, Kansas and Missouri cracking down on illegal immigration, other states should do the same. Employers who break the law and hire illegal immigrants do not pay workman's compensation, unemployment insurance, state, federal or Social Security and Medicare taxes. Nor do they provide health insurance; instead, this burden is placed on taxpayers, forcing up insurance premiums. This situation puts employers who obey the law and pay all those expenses at a huge disadvantage. Illegal employers also encourage identity theft and the use of fraudulent documents. All states will slowly deny social services to non-citizens. If we don't, only two things can happen. Either many poor residents get a smaller piece of the pie, or politicians will raise taxes to cover everyone. Do we need higher health-care costs, higher taxes and larger, more crowded classrooms just so some businesses can exploit cheap foreign labor? Do you want your state to become a new border state? ONE LAST THOUGHT: Vote for any presidential candidate who will propose "THE FAIR TAX". Everybody, and I mean everybody, who lives in America, will pay? The wealthy who skirts the laws to the tune of $12 trillion dollars hidden in foreign refuges, will no longer be able to cheat the middle class. VOTE FOR THE "FAIR TAX."

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toefungus 6 years, 2 months ago

Kansas should adopt the same law as Oklahoma.

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jaketh 6 years, 2 months ago

Kansas the bread basket (case may be). Most people have no clue how the wheat gets from the farm to the table so they can have their pb&j.

People who live in glass houses should not throw rocks.

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jaketh 6 years, 2 months ago

It's the price he pays for supporting controversial immigration legislation that proposes a path to citizenship for an estimated 12 million illegal immigrants.- Max1

Its the price worth fighting for. There are statesmen & then there are politicians. Doing the right thing in American politics is a hand crafted note of suicide evermore... If supporting controversial legislation or making unpopular decisions was the case in America, we would still have slavery, no women's suffrage & no civil rights.

It required people like Lincoln, Susan B. Anthony, MLK &/or Cesar Chavez who had a vision. It takes a leader with a vision which we so lack as we are now cloistered by polls, group studies & mock trial runs...

If we solely abided by populism, we would have a tyranny of the majority....

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max1 6 years, 2 months ago

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22845808/page/2/ Leaving Oklahoma all together Even workers with proper paperwork are leaving for jobs in neighboring states rather than split up their families. "My guy who runs my framing crew, he had 70 workers, and as of Nov. 1, he lost 35 of them," said Caleb McCaleb, who runs a homebuilding company in Edmond. "My painter has lost 30 percent of his work force, my landscaper has lost 25 percent of his work force." Some in Terrill's own party doubt the wisdom of his legislation. "We've removed not only those here illegally and working, but those who are here legally," said state Sen. Harry Coates, a Republican who voted against 1804 and wants to repeal portions of the bill. "I'm not the smartest person in the world, but I understand economics." Vicente Ruiz, a 47-year-old legal immigrant who runs his own electrical contracting business, put it more bluntly: "It's all about making money, and if everybody moves away, the whole state is going to suffer."

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max1 6 years, 2 months ago

"Obviously, our shrewd politicians & talk radio on the Right definitely contributed to this anxiety by adding fuel to fire" -jaketh

yuk, yuk

Rush Limbaugh fumed "I'm here to tell you, if either of these two guys (McCain or Mike Huckabee) get the nomination, it's going to destroy the Republican Party. It's going to change it forever, be the end of it!"

http://www.boston.com/news/globe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2007/06/21/poisonous_politics/ Imagine waving a sign that says "McCain -- traitor" in the face of a former Navy combat pilot . . . It's the price he pays for supporting controversial immigration legislation that proposes a path to citizenship for an estimated 12 million illegal immigrants.

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Pilgrim 6 years, 2 months ago

jaketh (Anonymous) says:

This whole immigration issue is not about the legality of their presence,


Oh really? What part of "illegal" in "illegal alien" do you not understand?

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jaketh 6 years, 2 months ago

The reason it is becoming "brown" is because of all the illegal aliens.

Asbestos, you remind me of the Old South--separate but equal--before the Civil Rights. I thought we all had emancipated from that. It seems some people are disguising their real sentiments of racism behind the veil of anti-immigration...

By the way, how we all forget that we all were or descendents of "illegal immigrants." The only legal residents in this country probably are the Native Americans if we really want to talk about it. We all landed from the Old World & forced our settlement here. Back then, one had to be a WASP.

It was only about 100 years ago that similar anti-immigration sentiments were popular. Irish, Italians, Jewish & Bohemian migrants also faced similar wraths from the American public. There was religion (Catholocism & Judiaism), language (eg, Italian, Hebrew) & also ethnicity that drove the xenophobic frenzy of the WASPs.

These migrants worked hard & eventually assimilated. They worked the sh.... jobs no one wanted like mining, slaughter houses etc. Lets not forget this country was built by migration.

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texburgh 6 years, 2 months ago

In State Tuition - no illegal immigrant has come to Kansas in the hope of getting in-state tuition for a child some day. To think so is to prove your idiocy. But the fact that these children have come here - because their parents came here for work - is no reason to punish them. Give them resident tuition under the strict guidelines we have - 3 years in a Kansas school, hold a diploma or GED from Kansas, sign an affidavit saying you will seek legal status as soon as allowed. Don't forget that as minors these children cannot seek legal status on their own. In truth, in the eyes of the law the children are not legal or illegal until they turn 18.

Out of state students wanting in state tuition is another thing. They have not paid taxes in Kansas (yes the illegals are paying property taxes via rent, sales tax, and often even have income taxes withheld). My son attends an out of state college and does not get resident tuition - we did not pay taxes in Ohio so he doesn't get in state tuition. But yes, the legislature should deal with people who lived here for years, moved away for a year or two and came back for college. They should get resident tuition. And how about children of alumni? They should be brought back to Kansas with resident tuition. But don't punish the children of illegals because you can't get something.

Finally - if you want to stop illegal immigrants, you have to dry up the jobs they take. They do not take professional jobs, they are laborers. If we demanded a living wage in all areas of employment and enforced workplace safety laws, "Americans" would take those jobs. Good pay, health benefits, safe environments = working Americans. Low pay, no benefits, unsafe environments = illegals. It's simple.

Until Americans are more interested in stopping illegal immigration than they are in "always low prices" we will have illegal immigration.

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jaketh 6 years, 2 months ago

Yes and look at those "cultures" in those countries: corruption, no women's right's, child rape is OK, stealing is part of the proposition. The governments of these countries are corrupt and are unwilling to fix the problems, so they encourage and export their poverty here.

While nations S.O.B. are responsible for some of the problems, we probably played a role in propping up regimes that brutalized their people. Look who propped up the bloody military dictatorships in the banana republics of Central America in the name of fighting Communism during the Cold War. We did cause it was in our self-interest.

Remember gun boat diplomacy? Who are we to judge?

Now it is in our self-interest to develop & invest in Central America & Mexico. We need to promote family planning in these countries in order to have population control. If we can invest billions of dollars in China, why not in our own sphere of influence. If the level of income rises in these countries, they are less likely migrate.

Regardless, all this immigration debate is a conservative diversionary tactic to get the people forget the failed War on Terror, quagmire War in Iraq & an economic recession. These are much more important issues. However, its election year politics, people vote with emotions not with their minds. Hence, all the hoopla about this issue & we all are getting caught up in the whirlwind.

Who cares? Only 40% of the American public vote anyway. Hispanics make up 13% of the population (& growing). This issue has energized them like the Civil Rights to African Americans to register & vote. Hence, Hispanics will be a key factor in this year's Presidential elections. Eventually, their concerns will be heard. Not this year, but may be in 2009.

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cool 6 years, 2 months ago

i would be happy with good national ID cards and making sure everyone has car insurance.

how about a card swipe that requires insurance to buy gas ?

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white_mountain 6 years, 2 months ago

If the employers are not following the law, we need to make it easy for them to do so by using the database. And then enforce penalties.

For the legal employees on the payroll, they need to be paid at least minimum wage.

Unless we are no longer a nation of laws....

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ASBESTOS 6 years, 2 months ago

"Most migrants are from Mexico & Central America."

Yes and look at those "cultures" in those countries: corruption, no women's right's, child rape is OK, stealing is part of the proposition. The governments of these countries are corrupt and are unwilling to fix the problems, so they encourage and export their poverty here.

In that now that the states are "stepping up" and getting rid of illegal aliens, the illegals are starting to return home, and MExico is "concerned" about what to do with their countrymen coming home:

"Espino said the city will need financial assistance from Mexico's federal government to handle the anticipated influx of immigrants, who sometimes remain homeless in cities across the border from the United States after their deportations.

Espino and officials in other Mexican border cities have predicted the Arizona law will cause a reverse wave of migration."

Funny how the Mexican government states how much their country men cost Mexico, but it seems to be the problem of the United States.

The reason it is becoming "brown" is because of all the illegal aliens. I don't care WHAT skin color someone is, but I DO care that they FOLLOW and homor our laws and follow them. IF they do not, they can just go home.

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jaketh 6 years, 2 months ago

Most people fear that we are going to be inundated by the Latinos, Hipanics &/or Mexicans. Illegal immigration is just the icing on the cake. It seems the real deep innate fear is that of a cultural & of race. We are now becoming a xenophobic nation. We fear of being overtaken which is the REAL reason why we are so riled up.

Obviously, our shrewd politicians & talk radio on the Right definitely contributed to this anxiety by adding fuel to fire

This whole immigration issue is not about the legality of their presence, it has more to do with the preservation of the status quo--we don't want bunch of Mexicans messing our way of life. We get scared becaused they are not like us. We are suffering from sieze mentality.

Most migrants are from Mexico & Central America. They have a different language, culture & a racial background. They have permeated every aspect of our society from rural to urban areas.

Hispanics now make up the second largest minority group. They have over taken African Americans. They have the highest birth rate. In comparison, Caucasians have a zero birth rate. There is a browning of America whether we like it or not. By 2030, there will be more Brown people (of mixed races) than Whites. Hispanics may well decide who our next president is going to be.

There are 11 million of them here. We can built a fort around America, but, human will prevail eventually. We can send them back or slow it down, but, they will keep on coming. Remember unlike us, for them, it is a matter of survival. They don't have social welfare, soup kitchens or community shelters to feed & clothe them. There is no way they are all going to go away unless they is comprehensive immigration reform.

Remember salsa is now the No. 1 condiment in America. Not ketchup. Deal with it.

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deansmith1010 6 years, 2 months ago

NEVER FORGET how you have been treated by the Hispanic, Latino, Chicano, Mexican community. Not only do they break into your house...But then they demand to be taken care of while living in your house.

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solsken66 6 years, 2 months ago

Emporia just didn't become a clearing house for illegals overnight. That city has had an influx from Vietnam, Mexico, Somalia, and other countries. The meat packing plant was the biggest attraction to that city. The influx of illegals is common knowledge in other cities that have meat packing plants. Not like someone would just travel thousands of miles to Emporia KS or Grand Island NE for work unless that person was informed or enticed to go to that city for work.

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solsken66 6 years, 2 months ago

Yes, companies/individuals need to pay a high fine for hiring illegals. Then they should pay the cost of travel for the illegals back to their homeland whether it is back across the Pacific, Atlantic, or just across the borders.

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kubacker 6 years, 2 months ago

No database in the world, let alone a government one, is 100% accurate.

Thousands of people are denied credit, boarding an airplane, get arrested, etc., etc. because of an error in a government database, and those people have zero recourse to intimidate or punish the party who relied on that data base, who has been held harmless under the law.

The entire country would grind to a halt if we could'nt take any definitive action or conduct business using info from a government database, because it might or actually does contain some errors.

The Chamber of Illegal Commerce doesn't stand a chance of getting the law in Oklahoma invalidated on that basis. The same holds true for Kansas when it passes these laws. Its going to happen so get used to it amigos!

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ASBESTOS 6 years, 2 months ago

"Illegal aliens are criminals, those who hire them are criminals and those who aid-and-abet them are criminals."

Amen, when can we start shooting?

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mick 6 years, 2 months ago

Don't fall for the rhetoric of these Chamber of Commerce types. They want cheap labor. They are all about greed, even if it means the ruination of our culture.

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DrColes 6 years, 2 months ago

Illegal Aliens and Immigration is NOT the same thing. Immigrant is a legal status granted by a sovereign country. We have to many folks who do not know and are ignorant or outright deceivers, confusing illegal alien workers calling them illegal immigrants with immigrants. Criminals did NOT build America; Citizens and LEGAL immigrants built it. 80% of the American people want an end to anarchy! This is NOT a Democrat, Republican, Independent issue. It's an American Issue.

Illegal aliens are criminals, those who hire them are criminals and those who aid-and-abet them are criminals.

Illegal aliens in America have NO rights. We are required by law to arrest and prosecute, deport them. (Title 8 U.S. Code) To report illegal aliens call the DHS National Hotline 1 866 DHS 2ICE. (1-866-347-2523)

No, matter your political party affiliation, and setting aside your thoughts on issues. We all need to remember what it is to be an American Citizen. We need to make sure our elected representatives obey their Oath of Office and keep their Oath of Allegiance. See http://tinyurl.com/2znnvl Know whom you are voting for.

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white_mountain 6 years, 2 months ago

The exploitation of these workers by businesses needs to stop.

Employers need to identify who they have on their payroll, and they need to pay all their workers at least minimum wage as required by federal and state laws.

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macon47 6 years, 2 months ago

your grand children will wake up some morning and find their country is being run by muslims and hispanics

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janeyb 6 years, 2 months ago

Of course the Oklahoma business community is complaining. They may actually have to pay a decent wage to get workers. Kansas should pass a tough immigration package including recinding the instate tuition law. Better to pass strict laws and tweak them down than to pass watered down legislation. I have a friend who was born in Kansas, got his high school diploma, two BA degrees and a Master's degree in Kansas. He just finished his masters a year ago, and has been employed out of state for 6 months. He wanted to take one online class this semester in Kansas to help with his job, and they said he had to pay out-of -state tuition. Illegal immigrants essentially jump the fence, go to high school two years, graduate and pay instate tuition. It isn't fair. If students here illegally can get instate tuition, then anyone who graduated from a Kansas high schoo should also get instate tuition.

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ASBESTOS 6 years, 2 months ago

"One of the problems, Seney said, is that the Oklahoma law requires businesses to register and use the federal government's electronic verification program, known as E-verify. It allows employers to access federal databases to verify whether a person is a citizen or legally in the country and eligible to work."

That would only be a "problem" if one were an ilelgal alien and in this country illegally. It also does not "allow employers access to federal databases", the employere sends in a "query" and the query search is ran and the results are mailed out. The federal government is emphatically denied the ability to let anyone "access to a federal database". This guy is a liar.

This "expert", Mike Seney is lying plain and simple. He furthers his stupidity by saying this:

""For a company that does a lot of hiring or has a lot of turnover, it's going to be cumbersome, and sometimes it's not accurate," Seney said."

IF you have "high turnover" your business is volatile or seasonal, and that is the price of doing that particular business. Remember that construction used to be a "career" employer type of field. Not since the illegal alien labor though. Now almost all constructin has turned "transitory" in nature, if that is the way business want to run in a "temp employer" type of process, so be it.

Besides the verifications take 5 minutes. You type in the name and number, and hit send. If the numbers do not match, the employee needs to get proper and legal documents in 90 days.

This is not that big of a deal, ..... unless of course you are an illelgal alien working, or a business that requires low wages, temporary labor, and hiring of illegal aliens.

"The National Immigration Law Center says errors are common in the E-verify system because of inaccurate federal records."

This organization is pro ilelgal alien and pro amnestyu. In fact just last week one of heir directors in California was busted for viloating a 3 year old deportation order. So, COnsider that source BS.

"But Moran said the federal government established this system more than 10 years ago, and it still has serious problems."

No the "e-verify" system is 3 years old, and has continual updates. IT is just as acccurate and functioning as any other governmental system.

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KS 6 years, 2 months ago

Ms. Moran, Congress and President Bush will not do anything about it so the States have to. Pretty simple to see that.

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