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Store wins final OK

After 5 1/2 years, City Commission quietly approves plan

January 9, 2008

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City commission approves Wal-Mart

Almost six years after first proposing the project, Wal-Mart and local developers passed a final hurdle Tuesday night to building a second store in Lawrence. Enlarge video

It was an unceremonious end Tuesday evening to a bitter, five-and-a-half year battle with the world's largest retailer.

With neither fanfare nor protest, city commissioners gave the final necessary approval for Wal-Mart to build a new store in the city - its second in Lawrence - at the northwest corner of Sixth Street and Wakarusa Drive.

Wal-Mart officials said they plan to have a building permit for the project this spring, and expect the store will be completed 10 to 12 months after starting construction. That means an early 2009 opening is most likely.

"This is a project we have been committed to for a long time, and we're looking forward to breaking ground," said Angie Stoner, a spokeswoman with Wal-Mart.

In August of 2002, Wal-Mart officials announced plans for a 200,000-square-foot Supercenter store on the west side of the city.

And then the fighting began.

Neighbors immediately expressed concerns that the store would create too much traffic for the area. Developers countered that the Sixth and Wakarusa intersection was one of the better-designed in the city.

The previous City Commission ultimately sided with the neighbors and denied the project, which sparked a lawsuit from the development group and Wal-Mart claiming that the city denied the project for political reasons.

Last April's elections - which came just days before the trial was scheduled to start - changed the majority on the City Commission, and talks to settle the lawsuit immediately began. In August, the two sides came together and agreed on a much smaller store - an approximately 100,000-square-foot version.

On Tuesday evening, none of the opponents of the project showed up to speak against the project. Commissioners didn't spend much time talking about it, either. Instead, they simply agreed to accept the rights-of-ways and easements for the project, clearing the way for the project to apply for a building permit.

City leaders said they recognized the project still wasn't universally loved in the community, but thought it was important for the community to move on from the controversy.

"It will be nice to get this behind us and move forward," Mayor Sue Hack said. "We have to do more of that."

The development group behind the project - which is led by local businessmen Doug Compton and Bill Newsome - said they were pleased that the long approval process came to a quiet end.

"I told someone we pulled up to City Hall for a Wal-Mart hearing and there actually were parking spots available," Newsome said. "That was unusual."

The new store, although significantly smaller than what originally was proposed, will be a Supercenter that sells both grocery and general merchandise products, Stoner said.

Newsome said the project will be a benefit to the community.

"I think this is a good day for the city," Newsome said. "It will bring convenience, and in this age of expensive fuel prices, I think that's important."

Commissioners approved the final plat Tuesday evening on a 4-1 vote. Commissioner Boog Highberger - who consistently has opposed the project - was the lone vote against it.

Comments

LogicMan 6 years, 10 months ago

Time to start the fight for store #3, in north Lawrence!

hilary 6 years, 10 months ago

Why do we need a grocery store at 6th and Wak? Dillons is across the street, and Hy-Vee is just a few blocks down. That statement about convenience is ridiculous.

clyde_never_barks 6 years, 10 months ago

I can't wait to start shopping here. Great point LogicMan - I will get started on that.

janeyb 6 years, 10 months ago

You will still need to use those other grocery stores as Walmart will not hire enough people to keep their shelves well stocked. Things have changed for Walmart in 5 years. My brother just left his job at Walmart. He started out being responsible for 1 to 1 1/2 pallets he needed to get shelved per night. More recently he was one of two workers told they had to get 15 pallets stocked during their shift. They had three supervisors watching them while they worked. He quit at the end of his shift. In one year he went from the new guy to like 3rd longest there among the stockers. As he said, there are easier ways to get through college.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 6 years, 10 months ago

"It will be nice to get this behind us and move forward," Mayor Sue Hack said. "We have to do more of that."


I think this is as close as we'll get to a statement from Hack on her conflict of interest in the Deciphera debacle. Pitiful. Especially since it appears that her husband has the insurance deal with Wal-Mart.

Richard Heckler 6 years, 10 months ago

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Baille 6 years, 10 months ago

Despoilers. Boycott Wal-Mart and its cheap Chinese crap.

monkeyhawk 6 years, 10 months ago

"Especially since it appears that her husband has the insurance deal with Wal-Mart."

I'm sure if that is the case, it would have appeared on her SSI.

"First Management(6 Wak) sponsored a city commission fund raiser:"

...and Norman Hsu sponsored many fund raisers for your hero. So what? Looks like their efforts were very successful. If you PLC/GRA types had been a little nicer to First Management, they might have built a skate park / ice chalet for the kids. Why do you hate children so much?

Toto_the_great 6 years, 10 months ago

If the proposed Wal-Mart in north Lawrence fails, then put one next to Midland to capture Perry, Oskie, McLouth, and Winchester traffic. Then we need one in east Lawrence to capture Eudora and DeSoto traffic, that is until the SLTW is passed and makes getting to Wal-Mart in south Lawrence easier. Once the trafficway opens, we can close my proposed east Lawrence Wal-Mart and build a Super Wal-mart next to it, because there is not much for a grocery store out there (we can put it next to the future BBQ joint that was once Don's Steakhouse).

Toto - seven years of being Wal-Mart free and lovin' every minute of it (would have been 12 y except for a stupid holiday shopping blunder on my part).

craigers 6 years, 10 months ago

janeyb, I will agree that HyVee and Dillons are right around there, but sometimes their prices are ridiculous. I went to Dillons to find a product this week and it was $4.15 but when I stopped at WalMart last night, the same product was $2.99. Dillons takes advantage of people when it comes to their pricing. When you use your card you can sometimes get groceries at a comparable price to other stores like Target and WalMart, but if it isn't on their card sale that week look out. I personally am a Target man, but since I live on this side of town I will settle for some cheaper groceries over here instead of the South side.

SettingTheRecordStraight 6 years, 10 months ago

Whoo hoo! Capitalism wins again! I love this country.

herman 6 years, 10 months ago

Legal fees paid by the city could have paid for another year of the T.

blackwalnut 6 years, 10 months ago

I haven't set foot in a Wal-Mart in years and I never will.

I don't miss the third-rate crap they sell, and I especially don't miss the mess visiting one of their ugly stores.

I save money because I don't buy cheaply made, poor-quality crap I don't need.

Hack should be thoroughly investigated. She's dipping money from this Wal-Mart deal too, through her husband's insurance business.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 6 years, 10 months ago

"Legal fees paid by the city could have paid for another year of the T."

Yet another reason why Wal-Mart sucks.

Centerville 6 years, 10 months ago

Unlike the 'T', Wal-Mart pays its own way and has demonstrated a strong customer base. Why in all that is sane should more of your tax money be thrown down the 'T' maw?

nobody1793 6 years, 10 months ago

I still don't understand why this wasn't put in North or East Lawrence if convenience was an issue. I mean from 6th and Wakarusa, you hop on K-10 for two minutes and your're right by the old Wal Mart. From 11th and New Jersey, 6th and Wakarusa is half a world away.

SettingTheRecordStraight 6 years, 10 months ago

Wal Mart has created a business model that obviously works. Instead of complaining, why not buy a little Wal Mart stock and consider saving you and your family some money by shopping there?

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 6 years, 10 months ago

"Wal Mart has created a business model that obviously works."

Yea, it's called slave labor.

Shardwurm 6 years, 10 months ago

The great thing about this is now the kids in that area will have a place to hang out so they'll stop coming to OUR Walmart on the south side!

stuckinthemiddle 6 years, 10 months ago

nobody1793 It's really simple... Wal Mart doesn't care what is best for the community... As a matter of fact, as they are a publicly traded company it is against the law for them to care what is best for the community... Wal Mart, like all other companies that sell stock, are legally obligated to make only decisions that increase the profits of the company and it's stockholders...

alm77 6 years, 10 months ago

Um, actually, blue, what you're not taking into account are "impulse buys". Yes, I buy all of those things. Some of them I get at Aldi (where the groceries are LESS than Walmart and they start their employees at over $10 an hour AND have very little turn over) and some of them I get at a clothing store (where they're not trying to run every other business out of town). But I cannot even begin to tell you how much less clutter is in my home because of the reduction in impulse buying. Cheap plastic crap indeed.

Haiku_Cuckoo 6 years, 10 months ago

If there's no need for a second Wal Mart in Lawrence, then nobody will shop there and they will close the store. Does anyone think that will happen though? Somehow I suspect that the parking lot will be full every day.

akt2 6 years, 10 months ago

I don't shop Wal Mart, but I certainly don't fault anyone that does. Their parking lot is always full. As is every other parking lot out there. It looks like Lawrence and the surrounding towns spend an enormous amount of money on that side of town. I'm sure they will spend an enormous amount of money at the new Wal Mart as well. They're not all bad. What about the $2 prescriptions that they came up with. The list of meds available is pretty long. Surely that has made a difference for a lot of people.

hujiko 6 years, 10 months ago

Shardwurm, no children hang out at Walmart, nor do teenagers. What does it matter anyways if some northerner comes into the Walmart down Iowa? Is it another war of northern aggression?

compmd 6 years, 10 months ago

'"I think this is a good day for the city," Newsome said. "It will bring convenience, and in this age of expensive fuel prices, I think that's important."

Sure. In this age of expensive fuel prices, it must be less expensive to heat a massive Walmart in the winter. And cool it in the summer. And keep it lit 24 hours a day. And keep the parking lot lit at night. And have water running to it. And sewer. Because, you know, building and running a Walmart requires no energy. Yes, in this age of expensive fuel prices this sounds like a brilliant idea. rolls eyes

Lucky 6 years, 10 months ago

What was the final amount in legal fees that the City paid to lose this Wal-Mart fight. The last I read it was well over $300,000. Since the Deciphera scandel it's also apparent that we also need to know what attorneys these legal fees were paid to. Who's going to be held responsible for wasting our money in this futile legal fight since Wal-Mart never loses these type of zoning court battles?

booklover2 6 years, 10 months ago

All I can say is, thanks Boog for being the lone dissenter. You stood your ground and spoke for a least some of us in Lawrence.

Steve Jacob 6 years, 10 months ago

"Wal Mart has created a business model that obviously works. Instead of complaining, why not buy a little Wal Mart stock and consider saving you and your family some money by shopping there?"

Um, Wal-Mart stock has not really moved in 7 years.

roger_o_thornhill 6 years, 10 months ago

Fuel prices? It that for real? It is like 4 miles from 6th and Wakarusa and 33rd and Iowa. Is this guy an environmental champion or just concerned for all of our fiduciary well being?

belle 6 years, 10 months ago

Does anyone know if they'll have recycling over there??

blackwalnut 6 years, 10 months ago

Sam Walton created a business model that worked. His heirs took that and destroyed it with their unmitigated greed.

Wal-Mart has stopped growing.

As for comparisons with the T, the ridership on the T has grown faster than any Wal-Mart.

akt2 6 years, 10 months ago

What's downtown? I don't think you can even buy a roll of toilet paper down there anymore. Maybe a four pack at Round Corner. Talk about a waste of time and gas. Looking for a place to park. That is convenient. Downtown shopping and Wal Mart are two different kinds of shopping. When you need to supply your household with groceries, paper goods and cleaning supplies you can't shop downtown. I'm a Target person, but same difference.

MaryKatesPillStash 6 years, 10 months ago

Belle, if I remember correctly, the site plans I saw did NOT include a recycling area.

Wellington 6 years, 10 months ago

blackwalnut - "As for comparisons with the T, the ridership on the T has grown faster than any Wal-Mart."

As you will see in the coming weeks, ridership on the T is down this past year. Check your facts.

Tara Painter 6 years, 10 months ago

YES, I was getting pissed with how those rich house people over there complained about how busy it will get over there. That's life I live by the fair grounds and you don't see us Bitching about the traiffic. Rich people are so self centered.

tolawdjk 6 years, 10 months ago

One. No one is holding a gun to anyone's head to force them to work at Walmart. If you need a job that supplies health care, Walmart would not and should not be an option.

Two. The bulk of the "cheep Chinese crap" at Walmart is impulse buys. Notice the word impulse. If you buy "cheep Chinese crap" on impulse, its not Walmart's fault for stocking the stuff, its yours for failing to control your impulses.

Three. If I need a pair of socks and can buy said pair for $5.00 downtown or $2.50 in Walmart, where do you think I am going to buy it? I'm sorry, but a "warm fuzzy feeling" for helping out a downtown business doesn't put bread on my table or gas in my car.

This Walmart is not going to kill Lawrence, or Kill Downtown. Walmart has had a presence in town for years so any "die off" that would occur already has. The people that shop at Walmart will continue to and the people that don't still won't. If anything, the only thing it provides is the choice of convience to people that would have shopped at Walmart anyway. Those that don't can stil keep their same morally superior position that they had before.

sourpuss 6 years, 10 months ago

I don't shop at Wal-Mart. I don't even take my recycling there as they can sell it. Often, Wal-Mart is not so much cheaper to go back on my values, because my values are not for sale to some flim-flam artist waving a "low" price at me. I know what goes into getting that low price, and it costs too much. If you like Wal-Mart, fine. Personally, I find their stores overwhelming, poorly designed, poorly lit, unfriendly, and I don't like stupid yellow smiley faces grinning at me everywhere. I really can't think of anything I would buy there unless I needed some medicine in an emergency.

Perhaps if we had corner groceries, people wouldn't have to trek to WM. Someone tried to start one up in my neighborhood a while back and was told he couldn't because there wasn't enough parking. Excuse me, but you are supposed to WALK to the corner store. We should have lots of corner stores so people don't have to drive. Idiots.

tolawdjk 6 years, 10 months ago

"YES, I was getting pissed with how those rich house people over there complained about how busy it will get over there. That's life I live by the fair grounds and you don't see us Bitching about the traiffic. Rich people are so self centered."

Except you just did. And whereas I am guessing that you knew about the location of the fairgrounds when you purchased your house and the possibility of the increased traffic it would entail for maybe a couple weeks a year, those "rich house people" (I'm not even sure -how- these people fit demographically. Are you pissed that they are rich? That they have a house? Or is it some kind of "rich house" that they have?) had no previous knowledge that a Walmart and the associated traffic would be located there. So while they may have known that there was "zoned commercial" nearby there is a difference between a "commercial" location that puts in a Tru Value and a commerical location that puts in a Walmart.

But hey, you got at least 3 of the 7 Deadlies in that post (wrath, envy, and pride by my count) so good effort there.

Sharon Roullins 6 years, 10 months ago

And the library suffers again. I don't care if they ever build another library really. I just want them to clean up the one we already have. I enjoy working there but the dust build-up and mold is starting to take effect.

Toto_the_great 6 years, 10 months ago

From a business standpoint, I agree that Wal-Mart is a good business model. I think you would have a hard time winning an argument against it. Essentially they are the best of the best (as sad as that is). And from a consumer's perspective, you have to like the place because of their prices.

However, ethically, I think they are evil and what is wrong with today's society. Granted this is capitalism at its finest, but to me, how they go about achieving their ultimate goal (being the best) is wrong, whether it is how they treat their employees, not supporting the local community (although some are now with their produce), or even creating new Wal-Marts (e.g., buying the land, building the store, etc.).

Also, I hate the hustle-and-bustle of places like Wal-Mart. I prefer to go somewhere that will give me the attention I deserve and will get to know me over time. Places like Wal-Mart either do not care or push some unwanted product that doesn't fit me.

Bobbi Reid 6 years, 10 months ago

Finally, I won't have to drive 20 minutes across town!! woo hoo!

Joe Hyde 6 years, 10 months ago

The city commision could just as easily and quickly have "gotten this behind us, and started moving forward" by denying the second Wal-Mart store permit. Instead, they voted to enable this monster retailer in its pathological efforts to cripple as many independently owned small businesses as possible in as many cities and towns as possible.

In the next city commission elections I'll do my bit to get these bozos out of office.

blakus 6 years, 10 months ago

blah, another wal-mart, another dollar in the in pockets of wal-mart execs who could care less about people and community, and one less dollar in the lawrence community... invest in your community by attracting ethically responsible corporations/small businesses who keep their money and investments in town! and who refuse to sacrifice their employees (and their manufacturers' employees) and their well-being to make a quick billion... oh, and the convenience factor (saving money on gas) of the new wal-mart is rediculous!!!!!! other than the obvious energy costs of operating a walled-mart , considering half of the products wal-mart carries contain plastic, high oil prices= increase price of half of wal-mart inventory.

hawklet21 6 years, 10 months ago

I don't like Wal Mart, but I have to admit I will probably use this one. I probably go about once per month now, and this new one will be more convenient for me. I hate to say it, but that's the truth folks.

bd 6 years, 10 months ago

Awesome, now me and my cousins from east Topeka have annother Wallyworld!

alfie 6 years, 10 months ago

Lets start guessing who will go out of business with the new Walmart. My guess is Sears

Dixie Jones 6 years, 10 months ago

i am totally for a north law wally world! ! ! ! and as for walmart being over priced...ever shopped target now they are OVER priced WAY overpriced and hum whos parking lot is fuller????yes i agree there are somethings that i will not buy at walmart,,, but come on its not like you cant shop somewhere else as well...as for the whiners who complain they wont shop walmart yada yada yada,,,, i bet we see ya at the new one.......smile sam loves ya

smartmomma 6 years, 10 months ago

Anyone else notice that in the illustration there are hardly any cars in the parking lot?

Scott Tichenor 6 years, 10 months ago

Thank goodness. Now all those people in West Lawrence won't have to drive so far to buy all that Chinese crap loaded with lead paint.

RedwoodCoast 6 years, 10 months ago

I thought Wal-Mart had designed the new store with some special architecture in mind. Just looks like another big boxy Wal-Mart to me. Oh, and I'm sure Wal-Mart thanks us for supporting the wealthy of Bentonville.

stuckinthemiddle 6 years, 10 months ago

peachesncream What things won't you buy at Walmart and why?

craigers 6 years, 10 months ago

Can somebody tell me why Sears would go out of business because of WalMart?? WalMart doesn't have the tools, appliances, etc that Sears has.

LogicMan 6 years, 10 months ago

"Can somebody tell me why Sears would go out of business because of WalMart?? WalMart doesn't have the tools, appliances, etc that Sears has."

It wouldn't be the cause, for the most part. However, Sears' parking lot has been nearly empty since the day it opened. If it folds, I hope the small Sears catalog/appliance center reopens (it was just across the street to the north).

alfie 6 years, 10 months ago

In most cases when a new large store comes in somone will go out, sears is on the edge, the old walmart location

nobody1793 6 years, 10 months ago

"That's like saying that a McDonald's downtown will kill Free State Brewery."

Man, that Downtown McDonalds (where Chipotle is now) was the worst McDonalds EVER.

Dorothy Hoyt-Reed 6 years, 10 months ago

I wouldn't mind paying 5.00 for socks that were made in the US. We want all this cheap stuff, but then that sends all our companies overseas for the cheap labor. Before long there won't be many people with the money for the cheap stuff either. Henry Ford started paying his workers well, because he said what's the use of making cars, if your own workers can't afford them?

Don't fool yourself that you are getting the same products either. They make cheap deals with companies, and don't demand quality. Companies are more careful of products they sell to other retailers, because they demand quality, not cheap prices. There is also always the impression that WalMart is always cheaper, but that's not true.

We haven't shopped there in a long time. Except last spring when we decided to buy new tires there, because they were the cheapest. We soon discovered that the price wasn't the only cheap thing about the tires. Before Christmas, we had to replace 2 of those tires (somewhere else), because one was split and another wouldn't hold air. In my entire 55 years I've only had 2 flats until we got these tires. They paid us back for the one that was split, but wouldn't do anything about the one that wouldn't hold air. We're going to replace the other 2 when we can afford it, so we won't get stranded somewhere.

spacecowboy 6 years, 10 months ago

Do all hippies live in trailer (yes, it is TRAILER, not TRAILOR) parks? There are no rich hippies? There are no hippies in West Lawrence? There are no rich hippies in West Lawrence?

pomegranate 6 years, 10 months ago

All you WalMart haters, tell me this:just EXACTLY what stores in Lawrence have closed due to WalMart? And then tell me just EXACTLY which retail stores in Lawrence do not sell anything made in China? Then tell me which retail stores pay a starting wage of more than $8.50 an hour to the average every day employee? Then listen up you kooks. Where do you get the idea that WalMart doesn't offer insurance to all the employees? We have friends and relatives who are employees, and they have insurance. There are several plans to choose from at several different costs to the employee. And the employee can choose NOT to have insurance if they so desire.

stuckinthemiddle 6 years, 10 months ago

~chuckle~ gotta love the walmart debates...

akt2 6 years, 10 months ago

Windlass should lose the "L" in his/her screen name.

alm77 6 years, 10 months ago

blue asks: Where else in Lawrence can you get dog food, motor oil, dish soap, socks and take-n-bake pizza in one location?

in one location - you can't. Why should you? To save a buck? To send your money to Arkansas?

I get my cat food from a family member who works at a pet food factory. I get my motor oil from the shop down the street. My dish soap comes from Aldi when I remember I'm running low and the Hyvee when I forgot. My socks usually come from Penney's. and I get my Pizza from either Aldi, Dillon's, HyVee or I get it "Hot and Ready" from Little Caesar's.

As for Target, I do go there when I can't find what I need anywhere else, I go when the oldest two kids are in school and I usually spend less than $20 a month there. Yes, Hello Kitty does suck.

I plan my days every week so that no unnecessary trips are made. I've got three kids (read that as impulse buys X 5) and organization, saving money and convenience are a VERY big deal to our household. But we don't have to shop at Walmart in order to have any of those things.

pomegranate 6 years, 10 months ago

Just as I thought. Not a single one of you can answer my questions.
I rest my case.

alm77 6 years, 10 months ago

pom asks:All you WalMart haters, tell me this:just exactly what stores in Lawrence have closed due to WalMart?

I don't know. I've only lived here three years. But there are other towns who have had local businesses close as a direct result of Walmart. Its not just about Lawrence.

And then tell me just exactly which retail stores in Lawrence do not sell anything made in China?

I'm not familiar with everyone's inventory. But If Wal-Mart were an individual economy, it would rank as China's eighth-biggest trading partner, ahead of Russia, Australia and Canada. I doubt you can say that for Waxman, The Toy Store or several other retail businesses here in town.

Then tell me which retail stores pay a starting wage of more than $8.50 an hour to the average every day employee?

Aldi is the only one I know of for sure.

Where do you get the idea that WalMart doesn't offer insurance to all the employees?

Um, the documentary which documents those claims. And my sister worked for them for years, she did have the insurance, but she also knew of several who did not. The Walmart she worked at the one in the next town over tried to run all the registers on part time help and thus no benefits.

Bitterfalls 6 years, 10 months ago

Maybe T ridership will increase as dirty hippies from the east side start riding it to support the new Walmart on the rich west side of town?

Wouldn't that make both sides happy?

Walmart is also a pretty big employer of illegal aliens..

Maybe they will let Naughty But Nice open a new location inside their store?

more_cowbell 6 years, 10 months ago

One Wal-Mart is enough for Lawrence. I don't think people were driving out of town to other Wal-Marts. Now, if it were a Sam's Club, that would be different. But Wal-Mart apparently didn't think Lawrence was worthy of one... ;-)

As for 6th & Wak, it will be the new 31st & Iowa. It's just the beginning. Now Target is going to want a store along 6th (or Wakarusa), and then Best Buy, and then before you know it, it will take just as long to drive out of town west on 6th as it does to drive out of town south on Iowa.

But apparently the council has decided they want to "capture" us before we drive out of town... :-p

walkdog262 6 years, 10 months ago

If you don't like Wal-Mart, all you can do is not shop there. The majority of people are always going to flock there just because it's cheaper, and they'll never, ever see the big picture. They'll take that dollar savings on crap they don't need, and more small businesses will die. Then they'll take that dollar they saved and go buy a double cheeseburger off the McDonald's dollar menu and get that much fatter. It's the American dream. Wal-Mart is just another example that 90 percent of people in this country are morons.

pomegranate 6 years, 10 months ago

Aim, It is just about Lawrence, as all of these WalMart haters are constantly bitching about what will happen here in Lawrence.
The answer is:nothing. People who want to will shop at Wally's. People who don't want to won't.

Magpie 6 years, 10 months ago

Look on the bright side: That part of town is already thoroughly homogenized, unnavigable by foot, and almost completely beige. If the city wanted to preserve some semblence of local flavor and community space, it should have acted a long time ago. Toss another big box on top of the corporate dungheap!

concernedparent 6 years, 10 months ago

If I have to chose between a walmart, dillons, or hyvee for groceries, I'm going to walmart. Its amazing how much CHEAPER walmart groceries are compared to the other two places.

Deenis 6 years, 10 months ago

Progress is the art of compromise. I'm glad that the sprawlers and Walmart have come together. C'mon, we're on the same team! That old tree where the prarie grass used to grow is just over the hill. Let's move on.

Magpie 6 years, 10 months ago

I make a small stipend as a graduate teaching assistant, so it is absolutely necessary for me to find bargains when I can. So I used to shop at Walmart. I dressed myself in White Stag and sported ye olde Faded Glory shoes. After replacing the same fire-retardant blouse and $20 pair of flats 4 times in one year, I realized that shopping at Walmart wasn't actually saving me money. I learned that buying used clothing and occasionally investing in well-made pieces is much more cost-effective because those items LAST.

Walmart supposedly provides relief to poor people in the form of affordable consumer goods: Ha! It peddles junk that has to be replaced again and again by people who can ill afford to do so.

Walmart :: "Planned Obsolescence Mart"

alm77 6 years, 10 months ago

concerned, nobody beats Aldi!! ;)

Dirty, I'm not saying you or anyone else shouldn't have that choice. I'm explaining why I choose not to. And yes, I'm doing my explaining in hopes that others will reconsider. The only way for me to continue to have the option to not shop there is for that decision to be made en masse. They won't miss my dollars, but they might miss the dollars of, say, 15% of the population. The other stores sure appreciate my business and the business of others who choose not to patronize Wal-mart.

blackwalnut 6 years, 10 months ago

concernedparent:

Check out Checkers. Best produce and meat and lowest prices in town.

alm77 6 years, 10 months ago

Yes, Checkers is the best produce and meat. I go straight from Aldi to Checkers every Monday for hamburger, steak, or roast (depending on what I've put on that week's menu). I also pick up my husband's lunches there and they have the best and cheapest tortillas in town.

Baille 6 years, 10 months ago

The scary part is that all these Wal-Mart customers are going to be feeding their kids Chinese lead. As those of us who do not shop at Wal-Mart know, ingestion of lead causes severe cognitive difficulties. So not only do these people's kids have to adapt to a substandard genetic code and the attendant problems of living in a low stimulus environment, but now these kids will have to cope with the effects of Chinese lead poisoning. Classic. Guess the T is going to have to invest in shorter buses.

yankeelady 6 years, 10 months ago

I checked out the grocery section when it opened. Even though it seems huge, they didn't carry a lot of the products I use. And their produce is frightening. Checkers is much better for meat, and some produce, Aldi for staples and Hy Vee or Target for produce and deli meats. If I plan my trips well I don't drive any further, it just depends on which way I go home after work. Walmart may have low prices, and sometimes they aren't the lowest, but the quality just isn't there.

alm77 6 years, 10 months ago

And you have one Walmart where you can choose to shop. But this second Walmart, that I won't shop at is still going into my neighborhood.

blackwalnut 6 years, 10 months ago

DirtyLinen:

Google up "Wal-Mart" and "Snapper" lawnmower.

Bitterfalls 6 years, 10 months ago

Walmart didn't just run in and find a plot of land and decide to put a store there. They did market research and studies and determined that Lawrence, and East Topeka will support another Walmart. A third Walmart just went up in North Topeka. They have Topeka triangulated.

As has been said here several times, if you do not like Walmart, then do not shop there. I do not like Walmart so I do not trade there.

But this battle isn't over yet. Walmart has made it over one hurdle, but is far from the finish line.

Other cities have successfully kept Walmart out. Lawrence has always been so eager and willing to mimic what other cites do. San Fransisco kept Walmart out. But unlike the smoking ban, this time Lawrence is following Topeka.

pomegranate 6 years, 10 months ago

alm--sorry I called you aim last time.

My daughter lives in your neighborhood, and she is just waiting for this new WalMart. She doesn't mind if it is in her neighborhood.
When we are in her neighborhood we will shop in the new store. When in my neighborhood we will shop in the old store. When we are in another town we will shop in whichever one we can find. Go Wally's. Go Wally's. Go Wally's. Rah Rah Rah.

camper 6 years, 10 months ago

Small business can find ways to outsmart the Big Giants like Wal-Mart by providing differing services and goods...being small can sometimes be better, if you can stay afloat and compete. Maybe it's kinda like David and Goliath. Hopefully there will always be room for the big guys, the small guys, and the medium guys.

s1golden 6 years, 10 months ago

Everyone should boycott Wal-Mart because if anywhere in Lawrence needs another grocery store its east Lawrence. In addition, we need to keep downtown Lawrence alive.

ConcernedAmerican 6 years, 10 months ago

All those people who do not wish to do business with the "devil" can just not shop there; buy elsewhere and help support the local businesses. Buying cheap is not always the end-all. I watched Wal-Mart destroy the shopping venues in Grants, New Mexico. It was the usual story of all the mom and pop local stores that cannot compete, they eventually go under, then Wal-Mart decides they do not like the market/community, they pull out (usually leaving behind a big, empty, ugly building) and leaves the town devastated without any local businesses to fill the vacuum. It is kind of like what locusts do. Also, it is too bad the Waltons are not more like the Warren Buffets or Bill Gates of the world, using even a little of all the money they make to make strides in helping mankind (womankind, too). Maybe then some of their ruthlessness could be overlooked. Until then, just don't give them your business.

David Benson 6 years, 10 months ago

Yay! What better way than a fifth of a million additional square feet filled with crappy merchandise for those who need that extra 5-10 cent discount to help afford their 5000 square foot houses and 30K SUVs. I can't believe people believe this is progress. When will the madness stop?

David Benson 6 years, 10 months ago

On my once per two weeks trips to the original Wal-mart, for recycling (haven't been in the store for years), I have never seen the parking lot more than 30-40% full. Why do we need to cover an other umpteen acres with asphalt for people to get the same damned crap they can buy across town? I guess those premium parking spaces right in front are truly important.

hawklet21 6 years, 10 months ago

I'm not very educated on the whole Wal-Mart thing, I'll admit, so does anyone know what the difference between WM and Target is? Is Target really any less evil?

coneflower 6 years, 10 months ago

There goes the neighborhood. My neighborhood.

fu7il3 6 years, 10 months ago

Target wouldn't allow Toys for Tots to set up in their stores. Something about that is evil in itself.

more_cowbell 6 years, 10 months ago

So why does it have to be a 2nd Wal-Mart, and not a Sam's Club? Acreage? The "member's" fee at Sam's Club wouldn't be an obstacle for most of the residents around 6th & Wak. Sam's Club is like Wal-Mart on steroids... those who like Wal-Mart probably would like Sam's Club too.

Guess I'll have to keep driving all the way to Topeka for my Sam's Club fix... and Topeka can get the sales tax instead of Lawrence. Way to "keep the shoppers", Larrytown :-p

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