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Letters to the Editor

Fluoride risks

February 6, 2008

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To the editor:

An eight-page article by Dan Fagin in the January 2008 "Scientific American" voiced concerns about fluoride. He wrote that the report by the National Research Council panel in 2006 (chaired by John Doull, professor emeritus of pharmacology and toxicology at the Kansas University Medical Center) advocated that the Environmental Protection Agency should lower the current limit of 4 mg/L of fluoride in drinking water because of health risks to children and adults.

The Iowa fluoride study also cautioned that children are getting more fluoride than they should. The NRC panel said that fluoride may trigger more serious health problems such as bone cancer, bone fracture, joint stiffening, and damage both to the brain and the thyroid gland.

Fagin, as well as Christopher Bryson in "The Fluoride Deception," pointed out that most nations outside the United States do not add fluoride to water. Yet their rates of tooth decay have plunged similar to this country's.

The last time that I saw the risks of fluoride mentioned in your paper was Aug. 11, 2007, when an article said that Albert W. Burgstahler, professor emeritus of chemistry, along with 600 professionals (physicians, dentists, and scientists) called on Congress to stop water fluoridation because of its health risks.

I would recommend that people read both the "Scientific American" article and Bryson's book. Notice the warning on your tube of toothpaste with fluoride states that if more toothpaste than is used for brushing is swallowed, contact a poison control center right away.

Dave Kyner,

Lawrence

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gr 6 years, 2 months ago

nyscof,

Do you find it odd that so many blindly follow what the government says without thinking for themselves? And to emphasize their point of non-thinking, they start namecalling anyone who does think for themselves.

Makes one wonder if they profit in some way. Why else would they support adding a substance to the water supply system which does not make it safer? And a substance which is used as poison? It just doesn't make sense and hints at a sci-fi thriller. There could be many arguments for substances to be added for so called health benefits. But the water supply should be for water and not a bunch of add-ons for the "health" manipulation of the populace.

I'm curious as to your viewpoint on adding mercury to people's teeth? Many blindly think toxic material in their own bodies are ok, but not in the environment.

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Nys Cof 6 years, 2 months ago

Dental Health Aide Therapists (DHAT) are two year trained hygienists who are to dentists what physicians' assistants are to physicians.

DHATs drill, fill and pull teeth as effectively but more cheaply than dentists and will accept Medicaid. The fist ones are working in Alaska's rural areas where dentists refuse to go. They have also worked successfully for decades in other developed countries. Good idea?

Well the American Dental Association sued to have the program stopped. Seems they don't like anyone infringing on their lucrative monopoly - even if it means getting treatment to poor people who would otherwise be pulling out their own teeth with pliers. The lawsuit failed and the ADA could have filled hundreds of thousands of cavities with the money spent on that failed lawsuit.

Dentists have accepted welfare for the rich via their tuition or because their dental schools are subsidized by the government. Also organized dentistry uses our legislative process to get laws passed to benefit themselves - not us.

Dentists also lobby against hygienists operating without dentist supervision and Denturists who make and fit dentures without a dentist middle-man.

They are making huge amounts of money on cosmetic dentistry - much of it caused by over-exposure to fluoride which they forced into our drinking water and probably every dental product known to man - with any eye towards profits - not that it would damage our teeth. Why would they. They get loads of money covering up fluoride damaged teeth - to the tune of tens of thousands of dollars for one patient who can afford them.

As for the poor - let them eat fluoride. That's their motto,.

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justfornow 6 years, 2 months ago

If you have a problem with Fluoride talk to your city commish. They decide, they are the Deciders.

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twelvepackterry 6 years, 2 months ago

"The City feeds Flouride at .8 to 1.2 PPM 24 hours a day every day."

What does fluoride do the skin? Anyone know? If it can do wonders to the hardest substance in the body, the enamel, what does it do to the gums and our routinely bathed skin?

How about the lung tissue? What does breathing in fluoride mist in the shower do to you lung tissues after prolonged exposure? Anyone care to find out?

It is medically stated that COPD is on the increase and people are so ready to blame that on smoking. The reality is that lung cancer is increasing among never-smokers. Why do you suppose that is? Anyone care enough to find out? Or shall we all just remain in societal-systemic stupor?

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gr 6 years, 2 months ago

"In a historic moment in 1939, the first public proposal that the U.S. should fluoridate its water supplies was made not by a doctor, or dentist, but by Cox, an industry scientist working for a company threatened by fluoride damage claims and burdened by the odious expense of disposing of tons of toxic industrial waste. " http://www.fluoride-history.de/official.htm

Dispute that.

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gr 6 years, 2 months ago

"The Government adds Fluoride to the water to help prevent tooth decay, obviously stated."

Does not. Show proof.

"Vitamin D in therapuetic doses = good."

Why isn't vitamin D put in the water? Why one and not the other? How about red wine? See how silly it gets?

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justfornow 6 years, 2 months ago

This is about helping the poor at the expense of all of us. I thought Lawrence would be ok with that. If you don't agree talk to your City commish. The City feeds Flouride at .8 to 1.2 PPM 24 hours a day every day.

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twelvepackterry 6 years, 2 months ago

Why would anyone be willing to sacrifice the long-term functioning of life-maintaining organs for cavity-free teeth?

Teeth can be replaced. While a liver can be replaced, it is extremely tough to find one. You may well die while one is located. While a kidney can be replaced, it is tough to find one. You may well die, or be on very costly dialysis, while trying to locate one.

BUT you can have ceramic fillings, bone-embedded teeth replacements, veneers placed on your teeth.

Strange how people don't want to get real about this.

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more_cowbell 6 years, 2 months ago

JackRipper, thanks for the humor... aeroscout17 isn't the only one who enjoyed the "riff"... ;-)

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Logan5 6 years, 2 months ago

Not to get off topic, but there is also a great article on solar power in this issue of Scientific American called "A Solar Grand Plan".

A few scientists researched the feasibility of building solar power plants across the deserts of New Mexico and Arizona using current technology. They proposed a transcontinental DC grid to transmit the power. The also proposed using huge compressors to pump air at 1100 psi into existing underground caverns to store electricity for use at night -- a technology that is already being used today.

Facinating article that was written to somewhat debunk the prevalent idea that some combination of methods must be used to attain energy independence.

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ndmoderate 6 years, 2 months ago

Maybe Lawrence can somehow powderize the fluoride and use it in place of road salt?

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Rastaman 6 years, 2 months ago

Obviously anything in large quantities is going to be dangerous. Vitamin D in therapuetic doses = good. Vitamin D by the handful = toxic. The fluoride levels in city levels usually is monitored and is harmless (ADA studies) and only helpful. Drink a bottle of fluoride and you die. Drink too much water you die too.

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JackRipper 6 years, 2 months ago

You know when fluoridation first began?

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alm77 6 years, 2 months ago

rasta, so why not pass out fluoride treatments or tablets? Why put it in my water? Shouldn't I decide if I get fluoride or not?

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JackRipper 6 years, 2 months ago

Do you realize that fluoridation is the most monstrously conceived and dangerous communist plot we have ever had to face?

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Rastaman 6 years, 2 months ago

ALM77

The Government adds Fluoride to the water to help PREVENT tooth decay, obviously stated. They would rather prevent the tooth decay rather than pay for it $500/tooth later through medicaid.

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JackRipper 6 years, 2 months ago

God willing, we will prevail in peace and freedom from fear and in true health through the purity and essence of our natural fluids.

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alm77 6 years, 2 months ago

Why add anything to our water? When I go to get a drink, all I want is water, H2O, agua. I've never understood why we add stuff to it. Can't we just filter the hell out of it?

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its_getting_warmer 6 years, 2 months ago

Well, I mis-spelled Cicada:

A cicada is an insect of the order Hemiptera, suborder Auchenorrhyncha, in the superfamily Cicadoidea, with large eyes wide apart on the head and usually transparent, well-veined wings. There are about 2,500 species of cicada around the globe,

And there is also a species known as thimirisolous isbadius, also closely related to the floridea isbadforyoutoous

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Raymond Munoz 6 years, 2 months ago

As for fluoride being dangerous...

Here is a 71-page booklet from the ADA that covers fluoride and fluoridation.

http://www.ada.org/public/topics/fluoride/facts/fluoridation_facts.pdf

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its_getting_warmer 6 years, 2 months ago

blue73harley (Anonymous) says:My observation is that the anti-floride fruit loops seem to surface every few years...


Harley, they are like Cicadeas, but emerge from the ground every 3.2 years, and live for much longer periods. I am unsure as to the comparison in mating sounds made by the species.

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Raymond Munoz 6 years, 2 months ago

OnlyTheOne...

The Douglas County Dental Clinic GLADLY accepts Medicaid for dental services. We can usually get you in within a week and we provide most general dentistry services such as exams, x-rays, cleanings, extractions, fillings, root canals, and crowns. We're closed today because of the weather (our dentists drive in from out of town) but we should be open bright and early tomorrow morning if you'd like to make an appointment. Give us a call at 785-312-7770 or visit our website at dcdclinic.org.

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aeroscout17 6 years, 2 months ago

Jackripper, you beat me to it! Every time I here these discussions that movie comes to mind! For those of you that don't know, that is paraphrased from Stanley Kubrick's movie "Dr. Strangelove." If you've never seen it, I highly recommend it!

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LogicMan 6 years, 2 months ago

"Later I lived for a dozen years in a small, well-water town"

I was raised on well water, and had lots of cavities as a kid. Not many since moving to the Big City and fluoridated water. But I don't eat handfuls of candy, etc. anymore, either.

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volunteer 6 years, 2 months ago

This topic always brings out some good debate. As a young man I had some slightly discolored teeth, but my dentist blamed it on my acne pills, tetracycline, rather than city water. Later I lived for a dozen years in a small, well-water town, and I never noticed any tooth deficiencies among the populac

Go at it, folks. You guys know more about this than I do. I want especially to thank the suppliers of links, whether pro, con, or funny. Good way to spend some time on a snowed-in day.

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SearchingForTruth 6 years, 2 months ago

Why not take the fluoride out of the Lawrence water supply for a year or two and then see if the number of cavities dramatically increases? Why is our local government so concerned with our teeth?

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blue73harley 6 years, 2 months ago

I'm sure fluoridealert.org is a completely unbiased source of extremely reliable information eyes rolling, but I think I will rely on the ADA...

http://www.ada.org/public/topics/fluoride/index.asp

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JJE007 6 years, 2 months ago

Any idiot who wants to embrace the toxin flouride is welcome and able to do so, but we should keep it out of the public water supply. http://www.fluoridealert.org/50-reasons.htm

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deadanimals 6 years, 2 months ago

Sadly, our son has dental fluorosis, which makes him sad, and is hard to explain to him. It also raises the concern about what could have happened to the rest of his body.

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blue73harley 6 years, 2 months ago

Excessive wearing of tin foil hats has been shown to cause cancer in mice and make the black helicopters appear.

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JackRipper 6 years, 2 months ago

A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual, and certainly without any choice. That's the way your hard-core Commie works. I first became aware of it, Mandrake, during the physical act of love...Yes, a profound sense of fatigue, a feeling of emptiness followed. Luckily I-I was able to interpret these feelings correctly. Loss of essence. I can assure you it has not recurred, Mandrake. Women, er, women sense my power, and they seek the life essence. I do not avoid women, Mandrake...but I do deny them my essence.

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gr 6 years, 2 months ago

Is Fluoride necessary to provide safe water?

If not, why is it added? Sounds like intentionally adding a contaminate to the water system. Isn't that against the law?

Let people buy Fluoride tablets and take them as vitamins if they think it's necessary for "health".

You CAN buy them, right? Not that it's toxic, poisonous, restricted or anything, is it?

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Mkh 6 years, 2 months ago

Great LTE. The flouride problem in the water supply is extremely vast and dangerous. In numerous studies flouride has been shown to be very risky to consume in large quanities, especially concerning brain developement for young boys. Also it is true that flouride does virtually nothing for the health of a person's teeth, at least not when consumed in drinking water.

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Rastaman 6 years, 2 months ago

I know that the Douglas County Dental Clinic accepts Medicaid. Medical Doctors and Dentists have to keep their doors open and if treating medicaid causes them to lose money, due to expensive materials/time, they will not accept medicaid. Usually MD's and dentists who accept medicaid you will notice you are run through like a herd of cattle to prevent from losing money.

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OnlyTheOne 6 years, 2 months ago

"80% of dentists refuse Medicaid patients." I know of none in Lawrence. If I'm incorrect I'd like to have their name(s). I've had staff, and Dentists personally, say "It doesn't pay enough." Ever consider if Doctors operated their practices in the manner of dentists how many people would die from not being treated?

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workinghard 6 years, 2 months ago

They say dental problems cause health problems including heart problems. Also can I sue the city for my thyroid problems? Relax, just kidding

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JackRipper 6 years, 2 months ago

Do you realize that in addition to fluoridating water, why, there are studies underway to fluoridate salt, flour, fruit juices, soup, sugar, milk, ice cream? Ice cream, Mandrake? Children's ice cream!

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SearchingForTruth 6 years, 2 months ago

The Lawrence City Commission decides how much sodium fluoride is added to the water. My guess is that it has been a long time since they last considered the issue. A lot of new information has come out recently. I think it is time for them to revisit the issue.

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offtotheright 6 years, 2 months ago

nyscof....so not only free medical care, you want free dental care?

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blue73harley 6 years, 2 months ago

My observation is that the anti-floride fruit loops seem to surface every few years.

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Nys Cof 6 years, 2 months ago

After 60 years of fluoridation reaching 2/3 of Americans via the water supply and virtually 100% via the food supply, tooth decay rates are increasing and UNtreated tooth decay is at crisis proportions. Over 1/3 of U.S. children sport fluoride overdose symptoms - dental fluorosis, discolored teeth - which has opened up a new lucrative market for dentists to cover them up costing people up to tens of thousands of dollars to cover-up, usually out-of-pocket. Now wealthy dentists can afford to ignore Medicaid and the working poor who need their care the most but can't afford it. 80% of dentists refuse Medicaid patients.

Fluoride is neither a nutrient nor essential for healthy teeth. No American is, or ever was, fluoride-deficient. Many are dentist-deficient. Even if fluoridation reduced tooth decay, which reports show it is not (http://www.fluoridenews.blogspot.com ) lack of dental care negates any perceived benefits of fluoridation when an unfilled tooth grows, festers, and abscesses to qualify for emergency room treatment at ten times the cost of a filling and at taxpayers' expense.

It's time to mandate that dentists accept every Medicaid patient who shows up at their door and it's time to stop water fluoridation.

Take Action to End Fluoridation at http://www.FluorideAction.Net/Congress

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