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August 2, 2008

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To the editor:

According to Thursday's story, the local architecture firm Rockhill and Associates is now certified so that, in the words of the state licensing board's executive director, "the public is sure that the technical professionals that they're dealing with are qualified." It's conceivable that this case was driven more by professional envy than the purported protection of an uninformed public.

In 2006, when my wife and I engaged Dan Rockhill to design a house for our family, we saw no reason to question his "qualifications" since the quality of his work is conferred not by state certification but by his nationally recognized building portfolio. His recent awards include the Smithsonian's Cooper-Hewitt National Design Award presented at the White House, the Residential Architect of the Year Award, and completing Kansas' first LEED certified building, the 5.4.7 Arts Center in Greensburg. Our house was completed last year, and its quality and design integrity are exemplary.

Is this story of a certification technicality more newsworthy than Rockhill's accomplishments? Here's an "architecture story" suggestion: Much new construction in Lawrence is distinguished only by indistinguishability, and the latest addition to our skyline - the Oread Inn - reveals this same unimaginative "quality" in a bigger package.

Rather than muckraking insignificant details about someone who's been actively creating innovative housing solutions for years, the Journal-World might employ a critical analysis of how the current state of residential neighborhood development reflects local attitudes toward energy use, sustainability, civic infrastructure and the use of design to improve community life.

Mark Holter,

Lawrence

Comments

bronze 4 years, 8 months ago

actually, the story Mark is about someone who knowingly did not conform to Kansas State Statutes for more than 15 years regarding practice of a licensed profession, while drawing a salary from the State of Kansas as a fully tenured faculty member.

Are you yourself rather envious that he had additional income as a full professor while operating businesses utilizing student and part-time workers on a 'contract employee basis' with no benefits or 'social welfare' safety net?

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bronze 4 years, 11 months ago

you know what is funny about many of the forum comments here is that Kansas Statutes require a licensed professional to report those who are not. this is a statutory duty, not an option.

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spiderman 5 years, 8 months ago

finally - for those of you looking for architects in any city in the USA - visit the national website which also has a lot of great industry wide news regarding construction,housing, and sustainability.AIA National websitewww.aia.org

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spiderman 5 years, 8 months ago

please refrain from further harassment on this forum which is a TOS violation (attention members).and visit the website AIA Kansas City also for a list ofmembers of the local professional chapter of AIA.http://www.aiakc.org/

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spiderman 5 years, 8 months ago

please also visit the professional organization websiteAIA Kansashttp://www.aiaks.org/

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spiderman 5 years, 8 months ago

thank goodness that the LJW forum moderator(s) that finally removed a forum member from this story and also'firm pays fine' --- who was definitely harassing spiderman and defaming a local architect friend of spiderman - with untrue quotes & statements.see KS State Board website.http://www.accesskansas.org/ksbtp/

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spiderman 5 years, 8 months ago

did svengalli miss the 'ever-ready-bunnie' auditions?another poster's comments1 August 2008 at 9:04 a.m.Suggest removalPermalinkafter all / a state statute is a state statute is it not?Easy_Does_It (Anonymous) says:I for one will rest a little easier tonight knowing that the long arm of the law has reached out and stopped this guy. Drawing buildings with out a license, indeed!

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svengalli 5 years, 8 months ago

Spiderman,Were your contacts with Van-Go made with the intent to explore/soliticit your professional services? Then why were you there? To financially contribute to their programs? To purchase a bench? Exactly why did you make this contact?In the process of those contacts, why did you discuss the potential services of Professor Rockhill?Did you indicate an availability to respond to an RFP or submit a preliminary or conceptual scope statement, conceptual design or preliminary cost estimate, either orally or in writing? Did you ever provide your resume, references, or examples of your prior work product? Did you ever mention the license status of Professor Rockhill in those discussions with Van-Go?Did you have any written or verbal contact with any member of the LJW staff regarding the licensing status or the State Boards decision regarding Professor Rockhill prior to the publication of this article?What client was misled or defrauded, or provided with inferior or deficient architectural services in this matter? What member of the public or client complained about Prof. Rockhill's license status? Who was harmed. How is the public interest being advanced in this circumstance?And why do you attempt to censure these legitimate questions by repeatedly suggesting removals of posts on this thread?Do you support a law which would require the minutes, agendas, and meeting materials of the Board of Technical Professions to be available on the Web?

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svengalli 5 years, 8 months ago

Spiderman actually came out from underneath his rock this morning.He says he did not make the "formal" complaint against Rockhill.Notice his parsing of words and terminology. Spiderman did not empty his pistol into the professor. But he bought the pistol, the ammunition, handed it to a friend, and watched it fire!And "Mr. Bennett of the State Board Office" is not of the State Board Office, nor does he respond to on his own volition to seemingly anonymous "letters of inquiry." Spiderman contends in his post today that this is all about 917 Delaware.Notice that Spiderman does not mention the Van-Go issue which was the focus of the article? Why not? Could it be that Spiderman had sought to compete in the Van-Go architectual engagement?Notice that Spiderman does not answer the several questions which have been asked of him above.Perhaps the State Board should investigate Architects who make deceptive statements to the public regarding the license complaint process. Perhaps the State Board should post their agendas, meeting materials and minutes on the web.Why is Spiderman not answering the simple questions which are asked of him. And why does Marion keep trying to change the topic? The same reason. Spiderman has something to hide.

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tolawdjk 5 years, 8 months ago

I am currently licensed by the BoTP to practice engineering in Kansas. Currently I do not practice in Kansas, but I do maintain my license as the opportunity does present itself.Is it in the public's interest that I do so? Highly doubtful. None of what I do would ever effect the public directly.However, it is a requirement of the BoTP that should I ever "practice" within the state, be it however small or part time, that I be licensed to do so.So yes, Rockhill should have a license. Does it necessarily make sense, no, but then making sense was never a requirement.What does make sense is the LJW banning these to clusterflupks from thier two person bickerfest.

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Flap Doodle 5 years, 8 months ago

"spiderham, spiderhamdoes whatever a spiderham can..."

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spiderman 5 years, 8 months ago

Again, spiderman did not make a formal complaint against Mr. Rockhill. On October 31, 2005 the State Board answered a 'letter of inquiry' that Rockhill & Associates at that time was not a corporation registered to practice Architecture in the State of Kansas. After that time Mr. Bennett of the State Board's office made his own investigation resulting in the fines of 2008, and followed the complaint to the recent conclusion of another person in 2007 regarding 917 Delaware in Lawrence.

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metta 5 years, 8 months ago

2 August 2008 at 10:59 a.m.Suggest removalPermalinkNewell_Post (Anonymous) says:Point of information:.. The statutes don't say that one may practice the profession of architecture just because one is a professor in an architectural school. They say that teaching classes in an architectural school does not constitute a type of architectural practice which requires registration (licensure).

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metta 5 years, 8 months ago

Excerpt from the writer of WRONG FOCUS.Through long experience I don't read that forum or any forum that allowsanonymous postings so I am luckily spared any character assassinationsthat may be going on!Aside from that, I'm startled and confused by the tone and content ofyour emails. The letter's purpose, as indicated by the title given it bythe editors, "Wrong Focus," was to question LJWorld's editorial decisionto spend more column inches on this story than they do in recognizingRockhill's contributions or in analyzing the building decisions that aremade-and not made-in Lawrence.

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metta 5 years, 8 months ago

4 August 2008 at 2:51 p.m.Suggest removalPermalinkspiderman (Anonymous) says:sorry svengalli - but i never said one word against the van go organization - to imply otherwise is another one of your L I E S to the forum.i do know the Board President and he knows that i have been complimentary and actually helpful to that group.again, you just go on & on stepping and making more errors:: Van Go already knows me and i have supported them in the past - they are OK with me and they chose Rockhill & Associates long ago - and i actually discussed that selection with them in an informative way about three or four years ago - so please stop trying to twist everything as is your so called 'talent'.

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metta 5 years, 8 months ago

9 August 2008 at 10:02 a.m.Suggest removalPermalinkcommuter (Anonymous) says:Let me see if I get the facts correct. A teacher at KU owns a firm that wasn't licensed to do Arch. work in the state of Kansas? Am I right?To me maybe the good prof. needs to make up his mind. Either teach or become a real arch. To be a real one, you will need to pass all of the required certifications.As for winning awards, hey that is cool but get the license to do the work.How many people would go to a doctor who teaches at KU Med School but isn't licensed to practice medicine in state of Kansas? Come tell the truth.

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spiderman 5 years, 8 months ago

yeah right, 'emily postGolly ? known for 'manners'.the statutes say what they mean.the LTE writer said what he meant by his letter.but the forum wingnuts & wankers want to rant on & on & on & on, S & S & S all wingnuts & wankers

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svengalli 5 years, 8 months ago

The letter writer has manners. The letter writer is concerned about other's feelings. The letter writer wrote to clarify his communications. He is to be thanked for taking the time to write both his letter and his follow up to Spiderman. Spiderman should learn to appreciate and value such friendship and the social practices which allow it to be nurtured and to flourish.That being said, I am disappointed that Spiderman did not take the initiative himself, and pick up the phone and apologize to his friend. That obviously means he has not yet picked up the phone and apologized to Professor Rockhill, the Traenor firm, the Merc Architect, or others he has slighted on these boards. He needs to learn to be a friend to have a friend.After all, his friend noted to him he was "startled and confused by the tone and content of your emails."And Spiderman has still refused to answer simple, understandable and straight-forward questions about his role associated with the Van-Go architectural engagement. After directly accusing a professional colleague of "misrepresentation" he chooses to run and hide and not be accountable for his own conflicts of interest, his self-serving purposes, his attempts at censorship, and his half-truths in explaining his role in this matter. It makes you wonder how well his very polite friend really knows him.

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spiderman 5 years, 8 months ago

This comment was removed by the site staff for violation of the usage agreement.

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screedposter 5 years, 8 months ago

"And where did 'Jaguar' go? Disappeareded?"Actually, I asked about that. Apparently, if you have two or more screen names, the LJW arbitrarily removes all but one, for some indeterminate number of occurrences.

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not_dolph 5 years, 8 months ago

Here is an upcoming AIA seminar in Overland Park. Maybe spiderman should attend...though the instructors probably don't meet his criteria for being properly educated or licensed...Agenda8:00 am 8:30 am Registration 8:30 am 9:15 am AIA Documents Overview and History - G. William Quatman, FAIA, Esq. What Is the AIA? The AIA Family of Documents AIA's Approach to Contracts The Various AIA Forms Available 9:15 am 10:15 am AIA's New Forms - G. William Quatman, FAIA, Esq. The 2004 Design-Build Series The 2007 AIA Document Changes 10:15 am 10:25 am Break 10:25 am 11:30 am AIA A201 General Conditions - G. Edgar 'Eddie' James, Esq. 11:30 am 12:00 pm AIA Front-End Contracts: Owner-Contractor Forms - G. Edgar 'Eddie' James, Esq. 12:00 pm 1:00 pm Lunch (On Your Own) 1:00 pm 2:30 pm Change Clause or Termination Clauses Under AIA A201 General Conditions - Stephen R. Miller 2:30 pm 2:40 pm Break 2:40 pm 4:15 pm Construction Delay Claims - David P. Streiler, P.G. AIA A201 Provisions Claims for Additional Time Claims for Additional Money Avoiding Claims and Disputes 4:15 pm 4:30 pm Questions and Answers - G. Edgar 'Eddie' James, Esq., Stephen R. Miller, G. William Quatman, FAIA, Esq., and David P. Streiler, P.G.

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svengalli 5 years, 8 months ago

And where did 'Jaguar' go? Disappeareded?Did Spiderman again openly violate his personal integrity, community ethics, and the LJW Terms of Service?

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svengalli 5 years, 8 months ago

Where is Spiderman? He is usually Johnnie-on-the-Spot on an hourly basis. Now an 8 hour absence?Maybe he has no answers for understandably difficult questions?

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svengalli 5 years, 8 months ago

Questions remain. Where is he?Spiderman, who posted 10 of the first 15 posts on this very thread, (potentially an abuse of LJW TOS by itself) in an attempt to manipulate the "most discussed" list to promote the discussion of its issues, is now absent:.not wanting to answer natural and valid questions about his communications with Van-Go.Very valid questions based upon the article and discussion. Were these marketing-inspired contacts? Did he ever denigrate the license status of a colleague? Since he was participatory in the complaint process against Prof. Rockhill, what other conflict-of-interests could exist?Who provided this news information to the LJW anyway:. I don't think the Board of Technical Professions issues press releases. (The LJW is not to blame here, at all)This should not surprise any of us. He has been less than forthright in providing to us his personal and professional conflicts-of-interest on previous topics. (examples: solicitation of The Merc; drainage/traffic issues at LHS)Take this very topic. He finally admitted after three days that he was part of the efforts of the "group's" hyper-technical complaint regarding Professor Rockhill (this thread) to the Board of Technical Professions.Questions still remain about his role in the Van-Go project, which were part of the complaint. Did he ever solicit their business? Did he ever discuss the potential project with them with a potential bid in mind?Did he ever impune a professional colleague by reference to his licensing status in casual conversations with Van-Go?What is his motivation in his involvement in the complaint which served no advancement of the public interest or protection to the public from fraud or misrepresentation? Was Van-Go the victim of misrepresentation, as Spiderman directly suggested?And why is he allowed to censure legitimate questions about these very valid questions?These are fair questions. These are natural questions. They are asked here in a civil, direct and polite basis. They flow from the news article published and subsequent discussion. They advance the interest of maintaining a news forum discussion. They are not in conflict with the LJW Terms of Service. And they are asked of a individual who has himself very voluntarily injected himself into this very issue by his actions and previous public writings and statements.

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svengalli 5 years, 8 months ago

(from another thread)Agreed Tony. I agree that Van-Go is wiser than that, But it will be interesting to learn from Spiderman the nature of his "complimentary and helpful conversations" with Van-Go. That is if he will tell us.He self-implies these communications were all altruistically motivated and helpful, but I think my suspicions are natural that they may have been more related to marketing of his professional services.Spiderman has a history of dumping on projects for which he was not selected. In particular, I remember the posts as "Cool" dissing The Merc remodel. Since Cool's posts have been removed, all I could find was one quote of his, available because it was reflected in another post:cool (Anonymous) says: :YES, i did submit a proposal for the Merc remodel:On Community Mercantile offers ambiance in new settingCool only fessed up after repeated questioning about this:.he had been posting critical things about design of the Merc project. And he avoided sharing his obvious conflict of interest until he figured out we would ask the Merc and figure it out anyway.So, knowing he previously has dissed unsuccessful engagements/clients, one has to wonder 'what is what' in the Van-Go situation. We will wait for Spiderman's responses.

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svengalli 5 years, 8 months ago

KU_Dude (Anonymous) says:You've attacked me many times in personal emails, just not here where everyone can see.............Dude, save those letters. The LJW should see them at some point. Many have complained, yet he hasn't stopped. These are harassment in violation of the LJW Terms of Service.

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svengalli 5 years, 8 months ago

Spiderman posts: "I do know the Board President and he knows that i have been complimentary and actually helpful to that group. again, you just go on & on stepping and making more errors:: Van Go already knows me and i have supported them in the past - they are OK with me and they chose Rockhill & Associates long ago - and i actually discussed that selection with them in an informative way about three or four years ago >>>>>>>>>>Svengalli does intend to follow up on Spidermans claims. He can not confirm or dispute today... BUT Spiderman is still substituting his judgment for theirs. That is my point. This is offensive to their judgment.And his post does raise more questions in my mind. These are new, and I do not pretend to know the answers:Were you trying to "deep-six" Rockhill's potential role in the project and solicit the business for yourself four years ago?What WAS your purpose in visiting with Van-Go management? To spread holiday cheer and goodwill? To write a big check for their good operations? This we can ascertain.Tell us, did you solicit the business and/or respond to a preliminary RFP Spiderman? Did you tell Van-Go that Rockhill was engaged in professional "misrepresentation" as you claim on this thread or otherwise had licensing issues? You have been pursuing these issues since 1990, as you have written.All fair questions.

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spiderman 5 years, 8 months ago

gee KU dude your posts were pretty bad. fess up. goodbye for nowand as you did say abovegood luck in the future.

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KU_Dude 5 years, 8 months ago

spiderman (Anonymous) says: thanks for the advice KU DUDE: your conduct and your own posts have always been just like a UN ambassador.after being so misquoted by certain others / how are we supposed to agree - you yourself have made quite offensive and harsh posts yet you want to 'discipline others':. we have exchanged some barbs but i never attacked you - it was always the other way around so KU DUDE - go swallow your own pill !-----------You've attacked me many times in personal emails, just not here where everyone can see.

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not_dolph 5 years, 8 months ago

spiderman (Anonymous) says: well not dolph, as they say that simply is your opinion.three years as an HRC member, and three years as a local church trustee speak of a somewhat different story.which advisory boards and non-profits have you helped ?----------------Sven -1. Your reply has nothing to do with my (8/4)8:36 am post, but I will give you the benefit of doubt...since you seem to be replying to the part about "bettering the community." We know what your service on HRC looked like...and I wouldn't say that we are better off from that involvement. But thank you for the time you served in that capacity. I can't imagine that you were the "Happy Go Lucky" trustee member at your church, since your behavior here reflects completely opposite. 2. This isn't about how many boards I've served on. Again, you avoid the question/suggestion. Although my involvement is signficant, and many have benefited, again, this isn't about me...furthermore, I'm not the one flinging turds at developers, professors, business owners and more. That duty has fallen on your shoulders, and that is why you are held to a different level of proof.3. My "opinion" as you put it was actually pointing out ways you could avoid future abuse, and possibly pick up new clients, jobs, projects etc. But you can't see that, because your blinders only allow you to read what you think you see.Your behavior and "whack-job" postings...that's right "whack-job" - if you are going to label me a "wing nut" it only seems appropriate (for purposes of clarification) that your posts are just that - whack-job - are what back you into corners that you cannot get out of. Everyone has the right to express their opinion. Everyone has a right to support this or that. Don't be offended when you post wild accusations, or make claims and you are asked to back them up. You never do, and you change the subject. You are only interested in self-promotion and self recognition. I am surprised that you don't have phylacteries tied to your body, so that all can see how important you are.

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spiderman 5 years, 8 months ago

copied from abovetony88 (Anonymous) says:Svengali, I'm glad you have a monopoly on understanding.

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spiderman 5 years, 8 months ago

sorry svengalli -- but i never said one word against the van go organization - to imply otherwise is another one of your L I E S to the forum.i do know the Board President and he knows that i have been complimentary and actually helpful to that group.again, you just go on & on stepping and making more errors...... Van Go already knows me and i have supported them in the past - they are OK with me and they chose Rockhill & Associates long ago - and i actually discussed that selection with them in an informative way about three or four years ago - so please stop trying to twist everything as is your so called 'talent'.

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spiderman 5 years, 8 months ago

thanks for the advice KU DUDE... your conduct and your own posts have always been just like a UN ambassador.after being so misquoted by certain others / how are we supposed to agree - you yourself have made quite offensive and harsh posts yet you want to 'discipline others'.... we have exchanged some barbs but i never attacked you - it was always the other way around so KU DUDE -- go swallow your own pill !

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KU_Dude 5 years, 8 months ago

Dear Sven/Cool/Spiderman,What little respect some people may have for you is probably completely gone after reading your many comments that all over the LJW web site.If anyone ever asks me what architect I'd hire, your name would never come up because of your many negative/name calling posts.If I were you, I'd stop posting here forever and bite my tongue if I ever even thought about doing so again.Good luck in the future.KU_Dude

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svengalli 5 years, 8 months ago

And since Spiderman is in one of those moods to apologize, he ought to add to the list the Management and the Board of Van-Go, whose reputations he has impliedly besmirched. After all, he is trying to protect them from their own decisions and actions. I would find that insulting.But he doesn't pick up the phone. Architects in Colorado have told us this. See "Highly Unprofessional":http://www.aspentimes.com/article/20020816/LETTER/208150015&parentprofile=search

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svengalli 5 years, 8 months ago

Oread discussions are valid discussions.... on Oread threads....But even there Spiderman has never engaged in a "discussion." He harangues, insults, harrasses, hijacks threads, changes the issue, deceives, and hides behind his online ID.Now he is trying to do a switcharoo once again.The topic is Architectural Licensure.It is called a complaint filed against a Distinguished Professor of Architecture, admittedly after promotion and communication from the poster.Licensing discussions require examination of the very reasons for governmental licensing. Protection of the public interest, and protection against fraud and malfeasance are some of theseNone of these reasons exist here. So why did Spiderman do what he did and what are his reasons, his motivations? What are his qualifications? All valid questions. All which flow directly from these instant circumstances?But watch him segue, spin, and pirouette!!!! As he attempts to censor the questioners and suffocate the questions.

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spiderman 5 years, 8 months ago

well gee, svengalli - perhaps you haven't figured out that it was also somene in addition to the 917 Delaware neighbor that made a written formal complaint.spiderman did not file a written complaint.

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spiderman 5 years, 8 months ago

well gee, svengalli - perhaps you haven't figured out that it was a neighbor of 917 Delaware that also made a complaint ? not spiderman.

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svengalli 5 years, 8 months ago

Mr. Holter may even want to ask Spiderman how the LJW got wind of this item. I haven't noticed the Kansas Board of Technical Professions sending out press releases on their licensure actions....

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spiderman 5 years, 8 months ago

Mr. Holter's letter / titled by LJW Wrong Focus is very much tied to this article about current design in Lawrence and The Oread Inn.http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2008/mar...

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svengalli 5 years, 8 months ago

Mr. Holter wrote his letter in response to the article the day before about Professor Rockhill. The article was not discussing the Oread Inn.The article discussed Professor Dan Rockhill, his licensing status, and recent actions of the Kansas Board of Technical Professions. These actions were taken after initiation of complaint efforts to the Board from Spiderman. This is indeed what Mr. Holter was complaining about in his letter.Spiderman likes to shift every discussion back to the Oread Inn. No dice.Spiderman, if you owe Mr. Holter an apology, pick up the phone and apologize. And while you are at it, I think a phone call to Professor Rockhill would be appropriate.You should also phone and apologize to other colleagues for the slights you have made to them over the past months on these boards.My posts on this thread remain focused on the issues raised in the article about Architectural licensing and Mr. Holter's letter. Spiderman's don't.

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spiderman 5 years, 8 months ago

This reply is really written to Mr. Holter as a limited apology to him only.I am sorry but the venom generated by an excessive poster which I hope that you understand is a huge distraction, messed up our relationship and that of good communication on the forum.Statutory requirements have been explained.The part of your letter largely unaddressed is why the LJW does not focus more on what is happening to the town and its quality of architecture.You singled out 'The Oread Inn' as an example and I should have immediatelyseen that you were by extension an ally in the discussion of concern for the greatVernacular traditions of Lawrence which weave the Victorian and turn of the century styles into an urban fabric which surrounds the university.This is I believe what you tried to address and which the LJW headlined as 'Wrong Focus'.It is somewhat amazing that I am the only poster on the forum and now verylate to the game in acknowledging this important point although I did mentionthe bourgeoisification of Lawrence exemplified by the current design of the Oread Inn which essentially trampled the historic context of its location.My apologies for being far too emotional in reaction to those 'nasty wingnuts'on the forum which Mr. Holter is most certainly not. I am sorry.Actually, you are also due an apology from all of those that so distracted the forum from your point, that of focus.

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svengalli 5 years, 8 months ago

worth repeating:not_dolph (Anonymous) says:You know what the truly sad thing about all of this is Sven? You spend more time complaining about your colleagues and peers than you do bettering the community you think you are improving by your constant petitions of complaint to boards.Your legitimacy is completely diminished when you do these things. I know of other people that exhibit the behaviors like yours, in other disciplines that are completely disrespected because of their petty attitudes, and interest in stirring the pot.Your interests are self-serving, and usually out of anger. Why do you not get projects you bid on? Probably because people are afraid to work with you, because you will threaten to counter-sue, sue, file a complaint, run an online smudge campaign:etc.If I thought you could stop your "official complaints, and your online rants, as well as your constant bemoaning of projects, ideas, people, consultants, in town" (cause I don't care about Aspen):I think over time:and a short period of time, you would regain yoru professional respect. People tend to have short memories these days. However, I don't think I will have to worry about that, because your puffed up pride and arrogance will get in the way of your ability to play nicely with people.

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svengalli 5 years, 8 months ago

Spiderman: "Rockhill paid his fine and is on an even keel"-:::."even keel?"Spiderman, who acknowledges helping to initiate the process which ground Professor Rockhill's non-licensed nose into the dirt, and his reputation into the gutter, says he is now satisfied. That is after also accusing him of "misrepresentation" on these boards.But Spiderman's satiation, or the level of Rockhill's keel is not my concern, nor my central point.As I pointed out on another thread, licensing laws and boards are ostensibly about protection of the public interest. Too frequently, they become captives of those they seek to regulate.As the author of this letter noted, this incident was about Professional Envy. I suggest it is also about Fees and Greed.Spiderman, who obviously is uncomfortable in explaining his own academic background, or lack of it, seeks the moral high ground of licensure enforcement (the statute is the statute) and "protecting the public interest." He does so by his own admitted long practice of filing complaints for technical compliance of the licensing laws.I call bull*.Indeed, in this instance, Spiderman can not explain who was misled, who was harmed, what client was angry, or what architecturing was done poorly. Exactly who did Professor Rockhill "misrepresent" himself to?When the enforcement of licensing standards cease to be about protecting the public interest and public good:.. perhaps the nuances of the standards are only advancing the private interests of the practitioners being regulated..:this is when they have gone too far.What can be wrong about having Architects possess an actual Architecture degree? Doesn't this actually prevent the public from otherwise being misled?You will notice, forum readers, that Spiderman can only call people names and request removal of my posts in return. Which speaks volumes.

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svengalli 5 years, 8 months ago

Kansas State Board of Technical Professionshttp://www.accesskansas.org/ksbtp/(785) 296-3053900 S.W. Jackson Street, Suite 507Topeka, Kansas 66612-1257

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screedposter 5 years, 8 months ago

"(My) three years as an HRC member, and three years as a local church trustee speak of a somewhat different story."Don't you mean "Spiderman's friend?"Sven is using a sock-puppet to avoid terms of use, and is, by his own admission, cool. Please make him disappear, my email box will thank you.

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svengalli 5 years, 8 months ago

Anyone who really has questions should contact the Kansas Board of Technical Professions directly. Trudy works for a private association, and Mr. Bennett is employed on an hourly basis. Of course, Spiderman doesn't mind giving us incorrect information on a regular and repeated basis.

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n8n2010 5 years, 8 months ago

Give it a rest Sven. You'll never be a Rockhill.

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spiderman 5 years, 8 months ago

gee, not being reappointed by Deciphera Sue ?yeah - i missed out on the Oread Inn 'approval process',good thing.

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svengalli 5 years, 8 months ago

I haven't seen Spiderman helping out the people of Greensburg Kansas lately. And he sneers at the suggestion of writing a check to help them out, and sneers at the Studio 804 project.

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spiderman 5 years, 8 months ago

Anyone with questions about the matter should contact Trudy Aron at AIA Kansas, the local chapter of the American Institute of Architects in Topekaat www.aiaks.org or by calling her at 1 800 444 9853.Anyone with legal questions regarding work by Rockhill & Associates prior to the settlement agreement with the State Board of Technical Professions should contact Mark L. Bennett Jr. at Bennett & Hendrix L.L.P. in Topeka at 785 271 0800. Mr. Bennett is the attorney for the State Board.

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svengalli 5 years, 8 months ago

Spiderman: HRC service? You mean that service where you were so disruptive that the Mayor did not reappoint you, when normally most people are reappointed?

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svengalli 5 years, 8 months ago

Pro_Council answered your question Spiderman: "architects : in my opinion : are one of those that ought to include a discipline-specific degree."(not Bachelors of General Studies degrees....but a degree in Architecture)

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spiderman 5 years, 8 months ago

well not dolph, as they say that simply is your opinion.three years as an HRC member, and three years as a local church trustee speak of a somewhat different story.which advisory boards and non-profits have you helped ?

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svengalli 5 years, 8 months ago

(Spiderman would need three digits for his sign)

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svengalli 5 years, 8 months ago

They could also post the "total-kill" numbers on their building signs, kind of like McDonalds:"This firm has saved America by filing complaints against XX Colleagues" We would naturally want to hire those who most ardently complied with their 'oath,' right?

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svengalli 5 years, 8 months ago

Remember those WWII planes that had bombs and planes painted on their side to reprsent missions and 'kills?'Maybe Architects could include on their business car an itty bitty stick figure with a Red Bar through it for each Complaint filed against another Architect.You know, to show how loyal they are to their Oath.You could use the back side of the card after the front is filled up.

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not_dolph 5 years, 8 months ago

You know what the truly sad thing about all of this is Sven? You spend more time complaining about your colleagues and peers than you do bettering the community you think you are improving by your constant petitions of complaint to boards. Your legitimacy is completely diminished when you do these things. I know of other people that exhibit the behaviors like yours, in other disciplines that are completely disrespected because of their petty attitudes, and interest in stirring the pot.Your interests are self-serving, and usually out of anger. Why do you not get projects you bid on? Probably because people are afraid to work with you, because you will threaten to counter-sue, sue, file a complaint, run an online smudge campaign...etc.If I thought you could stop your "official complaints, and your online rants, as well as your constant bemoaning of projects, ideas, people, consultants, in town" (cause I don't care about Aspen)...I think over time...and a short period of time, you would regain yoru professional respect. People tend to have short memories these days. However, I don't think I will have to worry about that, because your puffed up pride and arrogance will get in the way of your ability to play nicely with people.

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svengalli 5 years, 8 months ago

Spiderman: hey there is a very easy remedy. the professor could take the licensing exam ? why not ? he is after all a professor in the field."Svengalli: I propose another easy remedy. So-called Architects should have a degree in architecture? why not? after all, the campus is close by.Another easy remedy would be a disclaimer:.to fully protect the public who lacks knowledge:: Require the following: "use of the term Architect does not infer that this professional has completed a degree in Architecture from an accredited Architecture school" anytime a person refers to themselves as a licensed architect.What do you think?

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svengalli 5 years, 8 months ago

As the letter to the editor suggested, this complaint was over a hyper-technicality.How did this complaint advance the public interest? How did it prevent fraud or unscrupulous professional practices? (It did not)From Official Colorado public records, we can read about similar hypertechnical complaints which also did not advance the public interest:>>>>>Date Received: May 8, 2006Subject: Response to Complaint Board Action: The Board reviewed Mr. Thomason's response to the complaint filed against him by Sven Alstrom, ARC #*. This complaint alleged that Mr. Thomason is offering architectural services by virtue of his business card, without being licensed. William Starker moved to dismiss the complaint for lack of an apparent license law violation. Peter Monroe seconded the motion and it passed unanimously.

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not_dolph 5 years, 8 months ago

Once again Sven, you fail to see the point. I have stated many times in this thread...and the other one which you have vommited all over (Firm Pays...) that the Kansas Board of Technical Professions is the appropriate regulatory body that oversees licensed individuals in technical disciplines. Yet, you keep driving people to poor ol' Trudy Aron. Leave her alone. She's probably as tired of you as we are.

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spiderman 5 years, 8 months ago

dear not dolph - so how does your opinion answerthe concerns of the general public that pro counsel expressed ? >

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spiderman 5 years, 8 months ago

pro-counselclearly i am talking about what the statutes are and have been in the past vs. pure speculation and an anonymous forum member vs. the entire legislature & registration board?

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spiderman 5 years, 8 months ago

hey there is an easy remedy.maybe the professor could take the licensing exam ?

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not_dolph 5 years, 8 months ago

The thing you have to realize Pro_Counsel is that spiderman has log/splinter syndrome. He cannot see the same things that he does, but it sure is easy for him to see them in other people. Once he figures out his own faults, this world will be a lot better place. Thank you for continuing to make a bit more clear, what many on this site have been trying to say for a long time.

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Pro_Counsel 5 years, 8 months ago

So did you (except in your case it was 'her' instead of 'his'); now like I said, play nice, both of you.

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spiderman 5 years, 8 months ago

leave it to 'svengalli' to get the gender wrong....as with everything else....

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spiderman 5 years, 8 months ago

sorry svengalli, but the person responsible for Mr. Rockhill's situation is himself - just ask the state boardwhy he never took the licensing exam ?perhaps a good question that you have not covered in your diatribes ?pro-counsel is correct but the facts are that the State Board of Technical Professions has determined policies which pro counsel earlier said quite clearly is their role.

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Pro_Counsel 5 years, 8 months ago

Both of you play nice before we have to separate you.First off, it's 'he,' not 'she.' Second, I wasn't trying to make or break anyone's point - I just answered a simple question with my personal opinion. Third, while I haven't gone back and re-read all of your posts ... frankly, this isn't that important to me, as I said I was just stating an opinion, which is what I thought these message boards were for ... but it seems I've agreed at least in part with both of you: Certain professions need to be regulated by credentialing, and architects ... in my opinion ... are one of those that ought to include a discipline-specific degree.

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spiderman 5 years, 8 months ago

gee you mean that snap & svengalli L I E ?holy Batman !http://www2.ljworld.com/comments/posted/:

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spiderman 5 years, 8 months ago

licensed architects in Kansas for some time are required to complete 30 credit hours of continuing education every two years ......but lucky for Mr. Rockhill he is a professor and evidently exempt from that requirement - even though not licensed ? another complexity of the situation.....

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spiderman 5 years, 8 months ago

i repeat Spiderman's friend did not file a written complaint therefore Mr. Holter's assumption is wrong and so are all of the blather misstatements by so called svengalli. (period)

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spiderman 5 years, 8 months ago

dear svengalliquestion 1 - the State Board of Technical Professions has over time changed their requirements which has been previously elaborated. you should ask them.question 2 - how is the public interest served by violation of state statues ?question 3 - spiderman didn't file 'the complaint' against mr. rockhill. / ask mark bennett the state board's attorney. spidermans friend only asked the board the question whether the firm was a licensed coporporation or not - they took it from there on their own. that's not the same thing as a 'complaint' spiderman's friend made no written complaint but was an 'informed party' of the board's action.

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svengalli 5 years, 8 months ago

Svengalli continues to ask questions that Spiderman never answers: 1)Would not the public interest be served by imposing a requirement in Kansas that Architect professionals be required to be degree holders from an accredited school of architecture?2)How is the public interest (not private pecuniary interests of other Architects) served by this complaint made against Prof. Rockhill? What fraud occurred? What client was mis-served? What client is complaining?3)Why won't Spiderman explain his role in the promotion of, or the filing of, the complaint made against Prof. Rockhill, after being asked multiple times.All valid questions which flow directly from this letter to the editor. Instead Spiderman throws mud and trashes others which is his typical behavior.

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spiderman 5 years, 8 months ago

dear pro counselsee other rants by 'svengalli' - other rants by 'svengalli'http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2008/jul...

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spiderman 5 years, 8 months ago

svengalli of course omits the reference to the State Board of Technical Professions has granted a license and not Svengalli....mr. know it all ?her point if you don't cut & paste is that it is not your decision but the State Boards !

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svengalli 5 years, 8 months ago

I think she proved my point spidey...not yours.

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spiderman 5 years, 8 months ago

thanks Pro Counselyou have restored some reason to the forum and maybe a small miracle has happened herewhere 'svengalli' can get your referral to some professional help !

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Pro_Counsel 5 years, 8 months ago

svengalli;It would seem to make sense. There are some occupations/professions that seem better suited to a hands-on apprenticeship kind of training - e.g., carpenters, plumbers, electricians, or masons. Somehow I feel (rather than think) that architecture is not something that falls into that category. I will admit that I don't know that much about architecture - but that's the entire point of credentialing, that an agency of the state charged with verifying and approving someone's qualifications to provide a service have entitled them to put the various letters after their name that attest to those qualifications, so people like me don't have to be experts in architecture to be able to choose an architect.

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svengalli 5 years, 8 months ago

Pro_Counsel: one quick question:Do you think Architects licensed in the state should have a Architects degree as part of their minimum qualifications?I'm not trying to imply anything about behavioral sciences licensing.... Im just talking Architecture.

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Pro_Counsel 5 years, 8 months ago

I agree wholeheartedly with those who said that the man should have been registered regardless of how highly regarded, recognized, or qualified he may be.I am a Licensed Professional Counselor in the state of Missouri. It doesn't matter whether the quality of my work is highly regarded by my peers or what my professional accomplishments have been. It doesn't make a difference that I passed the same exam the KS BSRB uses, or that I meet the rest of their requirements for licensure. Unless/until I am credentialed by the state of Kansas, I can not legally hang a shingle outside my door here in Baldwin calling myself a Professional Counselor, let alone practice in this state. And if it's true that the LTE writer is a professor at KU in the mental health profession, it is an absolute disgrace that he would defend someone for failing to submit to the credentialing process.

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spiderman 5 years, 8 months ago

tony88 (Anonymous) says:Svengali, I'm glad you have a monopoly on understanding. And thank you for your "respectful" suggestion.

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spiderman 5 years, 8 months ago

Rockhill paid his fine and is on an even keel - that's what the story is about silly.

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svengalli 5 years, 8 months ago

spiderman (Anonymous) says: "sorry forum, jonathan removed not dolph's post about the same time for libel / slander of Mr. Rockhill."..................Sorry forum. Not true. Read Spidermans own posts on the news article thread.

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svengalli 5 years, 8 months ago

Tony88: You are correct. I was entirely too snarky. Somebody else was giving me indigestion. I apologize.But my point remains. I believe that people generally understand that Studio 804 projects are not the sole responsibility of Prof. Rockhill. The students are fully deserving of shared credit.But at the same time, shorthand references to 804's projects as being "Rockhills" should not be taken as professional slights by the students. It is a project supervised by faculty, similar to a research project in Haworth, where the "Principal Investigator" is the one who gets credit, publishes the work, and gets promoted.....based upon the hard work of many graduate students. This is part of the apprenticeship process.Again, I apologize for my tone and snark.

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tony88 5 years, 8 months ago

Svengali, I'm glad you have a monopoly on understanding. And thank you for your "respectful" suggestion.

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svengalli 5 years, 8 months ago

You sure are hitting the "suggest removal" button a lot today Spiderman. Are you going to wear yours out?I haven't hit mine once.

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spiderman 5 years, 8 months ago

sorry forum, jonathan removed not dolph's post about the same time --- for libel / slander of Mr. Rockhill.

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spiderman 5 years, 8 months ago

dear Not_Dolph, a hand drawn sketch is not a building ...and no it wasn't on a cocktail napkin , so go blow it out your nose and as the validity of your opinions ? a step above svengalli gets you to the sub-basement of the subway level platform?

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spiderman 5 years, 8 months ago

hey tony !svengalli is a really helpful gem on the forum ? right ?

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svengalli 5 years, 8 months ago

tony: I believe I understand the role of faculty in the teaching professions and the standards imposed on students. I respectfully suggest your ego is being bruised only by shorthand reference which does not give the appropriate credit to students. To the degree I may have been too casual in my posts, I apologize to you (assuming you are a student.)But if you are a student, and this shorthand reference really "disturbs" you, maybe you should leave architecture and consider the theatre as a career, where diva personalities are better tolerated.

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tony88 5 years, 8 months ago

It disturbs me when rockhill alone is credited with studio 804's work. I'm not trying to discredit rockhill. I agree with his positions regarding liscensure and the architectural establishment. I am merely correct the misinformation in the letter and/or subsequent postings. Please continue with the b$@-!fest.

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svengalli 5 years, 8 months ago

tony:"correction: the 5.4.7 arts center was not a rockhill project. It was designed and built by studio 804." >>>>>>>>>>Isn't Professor Rockhill the instructor of record/faculty advisor for studio 804? Don't I see Professor Rockhill's face and hear his voice on the "Greensburg" television program as the studio 804 group is conceptualizing and deliberating whether to even proceed with the Greensburg project?

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tony88 5 years, 8 months ago

correction: the highest level of LEED certification is a "living building"

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tony88 5 years, 8 months ago

correction: the 5.4.7 arts center was not a rockhill project. It was designed and built by studio 804.

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not_dolph 5 years, 8 months ago

This comment was removed by the site staff for violation of the usage agreement.

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svengalli 5 years, 8 months ago

Is Jaguar a new handle for Cool/Spiderman?"wingnuts" especially used with quotes, is such an odd expression....popular 15 years ago. I can not find anyone else who has used the term in recent time on these boards: But Spiderman uses it like salt and pepper, as indicated below, particularly to describe moi. Isn't it odd that Jaguar used the same archaic term on his very first post in the same way, about a topic that Spiderman is so obviously interested in????Hmmmmm:1 August 2008 at 7:47 a.m. "his track record is as a 'wingnut' for coal" (this is in the very same thread as Jaguars post)18 July 2008 at 4:07 p.m.: "little ole 'wingnut egos' are fragile- "17 July 2008 at 4:21 p.m. "drop in now and then to 'bug you' wingnuts !"15 July 2008 at 9:09 a.m. "certan forum members often referred to as 'wingnuts'"13 July 2008 at 8:22 p.m. "the point dear wingnuts"13 July 2008 at 6:50 p.m. "more important post than the wingnut baloney"13 July 2008 at 6:33 p.m. (to not_dolph) "wingnut statement if there ever was one:"13 July 2008 at 6:18 p.m. "and for snap/ the other wingnut--" 9 July 2008 at 6:44 p.m. "message to the 'wingnuts' - snap, svengalli, notdolph--"9 July 2008 at 5:29 p.m. (to not_dolph) "must be basic for your 'club of wingnuts'."9 July 2008 at 4:04 p.m. "like i said early 'the wingnuts' don't know a link . . .snap & svengalli are 'deficient' poor lads"9 July 2008 at 3:24 p.m. "the 'wingnuts' favorite newsletter ?"

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svengalli 5 years, 8 months ago

Jaguar used the archaic term "wingnuts." I wonder if Spiderman uses that term?Could they be the same person?

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not_dolph 5 years, 8 months ago

Well, here's more proof that Sven is out of his mind. First he posts this comment a day or so ago on the "Firm Pays" thread under the name "jaguar"...then he reposts the same comment on this thread under "spiderman"...31 July 2008 at 2:04 p.m.Suggest removal Permalinkjaguar (Anonymous) says: wow a lot of removed posts today !what can spiderman say ?to an anonymous poster like svengalli ?that some people who post on the forum apparently want to be the moderator, judge, & jury ? and that those same anonymous persons don't know what they are talking about ?this story is about statutory legal issues. they are statutes and it is not really in dispute what they say.svengallis' uninformed opinions about a profession that he or she is obviously not a part of - are just that - ill informed opinions.so please listen to spiderman and others - we really only want to hear from someone with a valid and informed opinion and not have to wade through a bunch of garbage & hyperbole on the forumplease help, Mr. Kealing the on line moderatorsave the LJW forum from these 'wingnuts'.lest they accidentally walk in front of a black Jaguar coupe on 'mass'.Here is his post a bit earlier today...keep in mind that Sven always provides attribution when he cuts and pastes...but he forgot to do that today...because HE WROTE THE POST UNDER ANOTHER ID!!!!!!!!!!2 August 2008 at 1:42 p.m.Suggest removal Permalinkspiderman (Anonymous) says: this is copied from another post on the related storyfirm pays finewhat can spiderman say ?to an anonymous poster like svengalli ?that some people who post on the forum apparently want to be the moderator, judge, & jury ? and that those same anonymous persons don't know what they are talking about ?this story is about statutory legal issues. they are statutes and it is not really in dispute what they say.svengallis' uninformed opinions about a profession that he or she is obviously not a part of - are just that - ill informed opinions.so please listen to spiderman and others - we really only want to hear from someone with a valid and informed opinion and not have to wade through a bunch of garbage & hyperbole on the forumplease help, Mr. Kealing the on line moderatorsave the LJW forum from these 'wingnuts'

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svengalli 5 years, 8 months ago

Spiderman: "because Trudy happens to know that the complaint which this story about did not orginate from only one party:..but several for starters"OK Spiderman... If you have knowledge, share it with us.....What are you hiding? And what was your role? Natural conflict-of-interest concepts require revelation of such conflicts. Isn't this what you preach to the City Commission? What is good for the Goose is good for the Gander. Fess up Spidey. It is good for the soul.

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svengalli 5 years, 8 months ago

Pace: thankfully it is a free world.......except when the licensure boards prevent choice.

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svengalli 5 years, 8 months ago

Another way of putting it not_dolph, is that Trudy's actions are of a private association, are not public, and not subject to scrutiny through open meetings, open records, or legislative inquiry.The actions of the Board of Technical Professions are the actions of a public board. And responses to legislative public and newspaper inquiries are more possible.I wonder what Spiderman wants to hide.

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pace 5 years, 8 months ago

Just for the record, I would never recommend Rockhill. While I was not the one who contracted him, I observed his work and his results, a lot of ego got in the way of taskmanship.

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svengalli 5 years, 8 months ago

Here goes Spiderman again. Re-posting his own posts (i.e. from Jaguar) on this thread.....in a pretty pathetic attempt to buttress his arguments that hold no water. And a violation of Terms of Service as not_dolph pointed out.And Spiderman, not_dolph is correct: This is a matter for the Board of Technical Professions. If I call up poor Trudy Aron, who is a good hard working person, the only thing I am going to find out is that there is a 'grinch group' of architects who want to slap University Professors around to slow down/prevent/non-incent their consulting activities... But this makes the letter writers very point: This is about professional turf-wars and greed...... not about protecting the public.I am remain amazed at your so very high personal interest in this matter. Sooooo coincidental.

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not_dolph 5 years, 8 months ago

Sven said...well not Dolph - because Trudy happens to know that the complaint which this story about did not orginate from only one party:..but several for startersWhen you say several others, do you mean...cool, spiderman, and jaguar?

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not_dolph 5 years, 8 months ago

Sven - you are so off base it is unbelievable... How is she impartial? She runs a state association. She is not impartial. Again, this is a matter that needs to be fetted out at the Board of Technical Professions. Aron is not the protector of the public, she is the protector of the trade.

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spiderman 5 years, 8 months ago

well not Dolph - because Trudy happens to know that the complaint which this story about did not orginate from only one party:..but several for starters. and because she is impartial in the sense of knowing both the state statute requirements and also knowing the professional ethical standards which are 'above the basic licensure' requirements.

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spiderman 5 years, 8 months ago

well not Dolph - because Trudy happens to know that the complaint which this story about did not orginate from only one party.....but several for starters. and because she is impartial in the sense of knowing both the state statute requirements and also knowing the professional ethical standards which are 'above the basic licensure' requirements.Why are you telling people to contact Trudy Aron when they need to be contacting the Board of Technical Professions. Leave Trudy alone, and quit adding to her work load. Seriously, you don't even know where to direct people.

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spiderman 5 years, 8 months ago

this is copied from another post on the related storyFIRM PAYS FINEwhat can spiderman say ?to an anonymous poster like svengalli ?that some people who post on the forum apparently want to be the moderator, judge, & jury ? and that those same anonymous persons don't know what they are talking about ?this story is about statutory legal issues. they are statutes and it is not really in dispute what they say.svengallis' uninformed opinions about a profession that he or she is obviously not a part of - are just that - ill informed opinions.so please listen to spiderman and others - we really only want to hear from someone with a valid and informed opinion and not have to wade through a bunch of garbage & hyperbole on the forumplease help, Mr. Kealing the on line moderatorsave the LJW forum from these 'wingnuts'.

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not_dolph 5 years, 8 months ago

SpiderSvenCoolJaguarman -Why are you telling people to contact Trudy Aron when they need to be contacting the Board of Technical Professions. Leave Trudy alone, and quit adding to her work load. Seriously, you don't even know where to direct people.

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spiderman 5 years, 8 months ago

bearded_gnome (Anonymous) says:many neighbors near 12th and penn where rockhead and his students built a crazy house, would agree, he certainly doesn't seem to even function like an architect!and, for one brief occasion, i actually agree with spikerman: how does this work: rockhead messes up on the most important professional certification in the market, as he is teaching future architects? oh, okay!

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spiderman 5 years, 8 months ago

1 August 2008 at 9:04 a.m.Suggest removalPermalinkEasy_Does_It (Anonymous) says:I for one will rest a little easier tonight knowing that the long arm of the law has reached out and stopped this guy. Drawing buildings with out a license, indeed!

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spiderman 5 years, 8 months ago

Newell_Post (Anonymous) says:Another point of information:.I haven't been around the KU School of Architecture in a long time but, in the old days, there were plenty of professors who were fully registered and both practiced and taught. Charlie Khan, Dave Griffin, and many others spring to mind.I think it looks bad for anyone to do this kind of work who is not registered, although there are ways to technically get away with it. I've know a certain number of people in the profession over the years who got by without getting registered. In most cases, that was due more to arrogance than stupidity. ("Nobody has the right to judge ME:")The architectural registration exam is longer than most other professional exams and has a lower first-time passing rate than any other I know of. (Less than 50% pass all sections of the ARE on the first try. Medicine, Law. etc. have higher rates than that.) However, for anyone who has worked in the field for a number of years and actually studied for it, it is not overly difficult to pass.There is no good reason for any person who has worked in the field for many years and who is actively doing "built" work to not be properly registered.

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spiderman 5 years, 8 months ago

Newell_Post (Anonymous) says:Point of information:.. The statutes don't say that one may practice the profession of architecture just because one is a professor in an architectural school. They say that teaching classes in an architectural school does not constitute a type of architectural practice which requires registration (licensure).

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svengalli 5 years, 8 months ago

Spiderman: "In the public eye - it is also important to know that like doctors & lawyers, architects receive individual certification as a licensed architect."0000000000000Whooo there spidey. In the public eye, these people are assumed to be degree holding graduates in their professional programs. They are in medicine and law, but NOT Architecture. Why should Architecture be different? Why not require all licensed Architects to be graduates of an Architecture school? Seems to me to be a simple point, easily understandable. I mean it is you who is arguing that state licensure is important....what could be wrong with this requirement?

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svengalli 5 years, 8 months ago

Isn't it interesting that these hyper-technical violations are made by other architects? Just what the letter writer suggested.So who filed the hyper-technical complaint against Prof. Rockhill? Anyone want to make a wild guess?

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svengalli 5 years, 8 months ago

I agree with the sentiments and logic of the letter writer.Licensing laws exist to protect the public from fraud and incompetence. While the various requirements may make sense for full time practitioners, they hardly make sense for university distinguished professors, who do part time work and consulting, as they are encouraged if not required to do, to share their expertise.There is little "public protection" in requiring Prof. Rockhill to comply with licensure. It is all about 'turf-protection' and pecuniary self-interest.As the letter writer wrote:"It's conceivable that this case was driven more by professional envy than the purported protection of an uninformed public."Another term for it could be 'financial self-interest."Another term for it could be 'greed.'

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svengalli 5 years, 8 months ago

Another example of a hyper-technical violation of professional practice laws, again from a governmental public record.Date Received: March 15, 2007Subject: Response to Complaint Jeffrey HalfertyBoard Action: The Board reviewed Mr. Halferty's response to the complaint filed against him by Sven Alstrom, ARC. This complaint alleged that Mr. Halferty represented himself as an architect without being licensed, based on the Aspen Times on-line listing of Architects. Cheri Gerou moved to dismiss this complaint as Mr. Halferty has remedied the situation to the Board's satisfaction by immediately contacting the Aspen Times for a formal correction. Jeff Olson seconded the motion and it passed unanimously. http://www.dora.state.co.us/aes/board/0507minutes.pdf

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svengalli 5 years, 8 months ago

As the letter to the editor says today, it is amazing about the teeny-tiny hyper-technical violations of professional practice laws which some complain about. This is all in the published public record in Colorado, source included: Date Received: May 8, 2006Subject: Response to Complaint Board Action: The Board reviewed Mr. Thomason's response to the complaint filed against him by Sven Alstrom, ARC #*. This complaint alleged that Mr. Thomason is offering architectural services by virtue of his business card, without being licensed. William Starker moved to dismiss the complaint for lack of an apparent license law violation. Peter Monroe seconded the motion and it passed unanimously. http://www.dora.state.co.us/aes/board/0706minutes.pdf

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svengalli 5 years, 8 months ago

As the letter writer said today:"It's conceivable that this case was driven more by professional envy than the purported protection of an uninformed public."Another term would be 'pecuniary self-interest.'Another term would be 'personal greed.'So when did you file the complaint, Spiderman?

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spiderman 5 years, 8 months ago

While it is commendable that Mr. Holter also a KU professor stands to defend a fellow KU professorin the public eye - it is also important to know thatlike doctors & lawyers, architects receive individualcertification as a licensed architect.A presentation ceremony is made in the Kansas Supreme Court chambers much like a college graduation after passing the state & national exams.Included in the state practice statute ?once licensed - architects are required by statute to report to the State Board of Technical Professions what they believe may be a case of a 'practice statute violation'.wouldn't you expect the same from doctors & lawyers ?to report unlicensed practice ?

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paavopetie 5 years, 8 months ago

This LTE needs a correction. There are many levels of LEED certification. The 5.4.7 Arts Center in Greensburg was the first building in Kansas that is LEED Platinum, the highest level of LEED there is.

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spiderman 5 years, 8 months ago

Finally, Mr. Holter mentions the Oread Inn hotel & condowith $11 million in TIF funded subsidies by the city but little to offer to the community in terms of design quality and no apparent efforts at all with regard to sustainable design.Where were the other licensed professionals in townduring the approval process of that project ?Professor Rockhill did advocate in person for green building practices to be included in the Oread Inn at a public forum at the Lawrence Public Library organized by Dennis Domer. A few local architects participated.Professor Shimomura spoke at the Library of 'invisible architecture' and apt description for the cupcake architecture of suburban bourgeoisification which has now invaded Mt. Oread first embodied in the alumni center. Read Thomas Frank, What's the Matter with Kansas, and its internal reference to cupcake architecture. Clerly Professor Rockhill stands against the subversion of distinctive and sophisiticated progressive architecture in Lawrence and should be commended for his innovative work.One of my favorite context sensitive designs by Rockhill are the small apartments next to a historic home on the west side of Kentucky near 15th.

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OnlyTheOne 5 years, 8 months ago

Hey. If you ain't licensed people need to know it. It doesn't matter how "recognized" you are.

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spiderman 5 years, 8 months ago

Mr. Holter has a wonderful home recently designed and built by Rockhill & Associates in 2007.Mr. Holter is a professor at KU in Mental Health Policy in The Department of Social Welfare. Is he suggesting that he would not object if psychologists whowere good at counseling need not be certified or registered by a state licensing board ?Mr. Rockhill is a tenured professor at KU. He is well regarded for holding the banner of modernism on high which he has demonstrated throughout his career in Lawrence and at KU. State statutes require licensure to be called an architect.As someone involved in the training of future architects in a professional school of the University it would seem logical that Mr. Rockhill should have long ago made an effort to seek professional licensure through the board examination process which is inherently part of the profession. Why did he never take the licensing board exams ?Anyone with questions about the matter should contact Trudy Aron at AIA Kansas, the local chapter of the American Institute of Architects in Topekaat www.aiaks.org or by calling her at 1 800 444 9853.Anyone with legal questions regarding work by Rockhill & Associates prior to the settlement agreement with the State Board of Technical Professions should contact Mark L. Bennett Jr. at Bennett & Hendrix L.L.P. in Topeka at 785 271 0800. Mr. Bennett is the attorney for the State Board.While it is true that Mr. Rockhill has won many design awards it is also truethat his work on 917 Delaware for Krause Dining required an after the factSpecial Use Permit since the conversion of a residence into a restaurant usewas built and at the time not in conformance with local zoning and later resultedin approximately $100,000.00 of repairs & remodeling in order to meet the building codes for a commercial establishment. Just ask Mr. Krause.While extremely talented in terms of visual flair & design, there remain some issues about the technical execution of some of Mr. Rockhill's work in the past.Mr. Holter's 2007 home appears to be much better and certainly demonstratesthe current abilities of Mr. Rockhill and his firm, staff and laborers.I don't see at all how it is out of line for the LJW to report on violation of statestatute licensing requirements, since this notice may herald the attention of many in the construction industry and re-emphasize the importance of appropriate licensure focusing attention on good professional practice whichis traditionally learned in the office of working architects in a partly apprenticeship profession.

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