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Letters to the Editor

No ‘slam book’

April 29, 2008

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To the editor:

I attended junior high school many years ago, but I still remember a particularly vile form of amusement from those days - the "slam book." The slam book was a spiral notebook in which we could write (and read) demeaning, belittling, cruel and false things about our classmates - anonymously, of course. These days, whenever I miss my long-ago adolescence I just look at the online discussions on your Web site to get my fix of ignorant, mean-spirited comments about my friends and neighbors. I especially enjoy the extremely comical observations about accident victims and crime victims. And please folks, continue, in your dark basements, free from prying eyes, safe behind your online identities, to engage in biting satire about any teenagers who are mentioned or photographed by the newspaper. These kids need to learn that, for some people, junior high never ends.

Debra Wilson,

Lawrence

Comments

been_there 6 years, 8 months ago

kcwarpony--you have a point, they should have just closed the comment section. Hopefully it was just a case of trying to do the right thing but inadvertently going too far.

mom_of_three 6 years, 8 months ago

Don't know what to say. make a big deal out of nothing. Most of the comments we feel are ignorant, we request to be removed and they are.

jafs 6 years, 8 months ago

There is definitely something about an anonymous forum that seems to bring out the worst in some people.

Take_a_letter_Maria 6 years, 8 months ago

mom_of_three (Anonymous) says: Don't know what to say. make a big deal out of nothing. Most of the comments we feel are ignorant, we request to be removed and they are.-------------------------------------------------------------------------Me thinks Debra is commenting on the prom story/picture from last week. There were certainly some brutal comments about the young ladies pictured with the story.

BrianR 6 years, 8 months ago

Marty_McFly (Anonymous) says: Heavy.Dude, is there something wrong with the Earth's gravitational field?

littlegrace 6 years, 8 months ago

Debra is right about this one. As if it is not bad enough grown adults act out on these forums then come the dirty little barbs about those who have suffered or are not worthy. Going after children just goes to show how very unworthy the commenters are. Your recent comments just re-inforce your inability to carry on an adult conversation.

Take_a_letter_Maria 6 years, 8 months ago

BrianR (Anonymous) says: Marty_McFly (Anonymous) says:Heavy.Dude, is there something wrong with the Earth's gravitational field?-------------------------------------------------------------------------Exceptionally bad BTTF reference.No (morel) soup for you!!

BrianR 6 years, 8 months ago

Well, had I known there was soup involved, I would've quoted the movie exactly.

Confrontation 6 years, 8 months ago

I don't really care if people get on here and post their feelings about silly LTE's and news stories. However, I think the LJ-World needs to remove comment capabilities from certain articles. I don't think there needs to be a comment section on deaths, bankruptcies, etc. Check out the KC Star. They don't have comment sections on every single story. I think there are many great local stories that could be told, but people don't want to risk their personal lives, agencies, or companies, being degraded by people who hold grudges. Yes, I make rude comments, too.

Jason Bailey 6 years, 8 months ago

Mom_of_Three:Ah, the prom picture from last week! I'm in then! Let's talk some more about that.I believe my comments are probably ones that you would point at as being "brutal" and might have even helped fuel Debra to write.My comments were about how debased our society had become and how spoiled our children are if their central worry during April and May is if someone else is going to show up in the same dress. These same shallow kids are going to be introduced to the world and become shallow adults.BTW: I'm not in the basement, it's actually a hardened bunker in an undisclosed location using untraceable IP connections to protect my identity. I have no doubt if she could, Debra would show up with a lynch mob.

vpete69 6 years, 8 months ago

Debra, if you're going to complain about all the negative comments that us posters leave....you need to write to the LJW and ask that they stop posting stupid articles... like the prom dress article. WTF? And the "Do you like to grill outside?" WTF? With stupid crap like that, what do you expect us to talk about?

Dorothy Hoyt-Reed 6 years, 8 months ago

Better still, why doesn't the LJW require names from now on? If you have an opinion why don't you have guts enough to give it with your real name?

salad 6 years, 8 months ago

Waaahhhhh, people are mean!!! Waaahhh!!!

Marty_McFly 6 years, 8 months ago

I agree with what Dorothy says. People need to start using their real names and not made up ones.

mom_of_three 6 years, 8 months ago

Jason, your comments were probably the insensitive ones she was talking about. So apologize to everyone and then we can get on with our lives. just kidding, sort of. It's alright for girls (and guys) to think about something else (like hope no one has my dress, hope my date looks great) every once in a while instead of all the serious problems in the world.

mom_of_three 6 years, 8 months ago

Logicsound makes sense...and my family wants me to stay anonymous so I don't embarrass them - LOL.

vpete69 6 years, 8 months ago

dorothyhr (Dorothy Hoyt-Reed) says:Better still, why doesn't the LJW require names from now on? If you have an opinion why don't you have guts enough to give it with your real name?==========================================Its not about guts. If someone wants to meet face to face, I'll do it. I don't care what someone's name is. Having their name doesn't make their opinion count any more or less. People are dumba$$es with or without names. The internet is a 'somewhat' safe place to express your opinions without fear that some wackjob who doesn't agree with you will look up your name and address in the phone book. Like this: Dorothy J Hoyt-Reed50 Winona AveLawrence, KS 66046(785) 749-0920or are you here:Dorothy J Hoyt-Reed110 N Michigan StLawrence, KS 66044(785) 749-0920Don't worry dorothy, I am not one of those 'wackjobs'. I was just making a point.

mom_of_three 6 years, 8 months ago

Besides, there are some of us, a majority of posters, who don't attack or call names. I don't cuss, swear or attack anyone. (i limit it to online poker, haha). I have, on occassion, wrote that someone didn't know what they spoke about, but I have to be really p.o.'ed to do that.

BrianR 6 years, 8 months ago

mom_of_three (Anonymous) says: a little too far, vpeteNo, the point exactly.

vpete69 6 years, 8 months ago

Sorry, but anyone who is stupid enough to put their real name out on the internet deserves to be 'googled'.

acg 6 years, 8 months ago

So, then the party is at Dorothy's?

BrianR 6 years, 8 months ago

Multi,I can't explain why but your post made me think of this:"Kid, we found your name on an envelope at the bottom of a half a ton of garbage..."--Alice's Restaurant

nverlost 6 years, 8 months ago

I would try visiting the KC Star forums before making the assumption that the LJ World has the "lowest form of human communication".

Dorothy Hoyt-Reed 6 years, 8 months ago

vpete69,I have nothing to hide? Are you threatening me? acg, If you would show up at my house uninvited I would simply call the police. If I invite you to my house, then you are welcome, but since you are an unknown, no invitations to you.

Jason Bailey 6 years, 8 months ago

Dorothy,I have to agree with everyone else in this thread...posting your name (unless it's something like Abcnews.com or a national site) is just asking for trouble. I would never willingly divulge my full name to anyone. I've even left my bio vague enough to not be traceable.It's not about having something to hide or not. It's about your safety and protecting yourself from a wacko who happens to trundle through one of these threads.

vpete69 6 years, 8 months ago

dorothyhr (Dorothy Hoyt-Reed) says:vpete69,I have nothing to hide? Are you threatening me?=============================================My posts: "Don't worry dorothy, I am not one of those 'wackjobs'. I was just making a point.""Sorry, but anyone who is stupid enough to put their real name out on the internet deserves to be 'googled'."==========================================Unless being 'googled' is now a crime, I cant find where I threatened you Dorothy...

Dorothy Hoyt-Reed 6 years, 8 months ago

I am a big supporter of open, free speech, even for scumbags like Phelps. That is why I post openly on this forum. I am not afraid to voice my opinion when appropriate and a discussion forum is an appropriate venue. If you cannot openly discuss your opinions, whether because of fear or timidness, then you are not free people, so I guess I pity all the anons, since they aren't free people.No, vpete69, googling someone is not a threat. In fact, I noticed you have sold quite a few things on ebay with many compliments from your buyers. You seem to be an honest person, so why hide behind anon name? Did you do well on your certification exam?

Ralph Reed 6 years, 8 months ago

logicsound04 at 1348 (or there about). Sorry my tag line annoys you, but it will be there for a while. Also, if you're going to complain about what I say, then at least get my name right.I was taught that if I say or do something, I better be ready to take ownership it. I do, why don't you?**The vast majority of the comments above (and that will follow) simply prove the point of the letter. Anonymity allows people to show the darker side of their nature; it's like that here and across the nation. I sometimes wonder if the anonymous posts actually indicate the true nature of many of the posters.** (least I forget)I'm me. Who are you behind your hood of anonymity?

kismet113 6 years, 8 months ago

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Dorothy Hoyt-Reed 6 years, 8 months ago

"For all you know, acg could be your physician, I could be your shrink, and vpete69 could be your boss-or your employee-or your next-door neighbor. Wouldn't your world really rock if all those people showed up and said what they really thought under their own names?"If my doctor was a good doctor, I probably would not be concerned about his politics, as long as he wasn't rude and disgusting. When I'm doing business with someone, that's not usually a forum for expressing opinions, except for the business at hand, and if we do get into a discussion about politics, then I would listen to their opinion whether or not I agreed with them. This is a discussion of people's stands on issues and news stories. What is there to hide? Those anons who post bigoted, racist opinions are afraid their neighbors, customers, family will be upset if they knew? Maybe they've already figured it out anyway. And if you're a doctor, and you're afraid of losing business, because people found out you hate people of color, then you are a money grubbing hypocrite. Quit living a lie."ACG was just exercising a little humor"Yes, I know that. That's why I responded with "since I don't know who you are, no invitation for you" Subtle humor, yes, but it was meant to be humorous.

been_there 6 years, 8 months ago

Wow, bloggers got the Native American article disabled for misbehaving I assume. But I do have to agree, some articles should not have posts allowed. And just when I was going to get after Marion for calling North Lawrence the "ghetto of Lawrence" which by the way had come a long way till all the so called musicians and artists started moving there. It would be nice if the city would put as much money into North Lawrence as it does the far west part of Lawrence. But anyway, so it seems the LJW is willing at times to shut down posting.

Pro_Counsel 6 years, 8 months ago

dorothyhr (Dorothy Hoyt-Reed) says: "If my doctor was a good doctor, I probably would not be concerned about his politics, as long as he wasn't rude and disgusting. When I'm doing business with someone, that's not usually a forum for expressing opinions, except for the business at hand, and if we do get into a discussion about politics, then I would listen to their opinion whether or not I agreed with them."It's good that you feel that way, dorothy. I think you'd agree, though, that not everyone does?I am a licensed mental health practitioner. There is a reason people in my field are not supposed to disclose personal information to their clients. It can be very damaging to a therapeutic relationship. If one of my clients were to read something here that they were diametrically opposed to, and associated it with the therapist they've been seeing, it could cause some serious problems - not so much for me, but for them. Now, I could go out of my way to keep anything controversial from entering into my posts, but that tends to defeat the purpose of an open discussion forum, doesn't it? (Also, one never knows what particular issue or opinion the other party is going to find controversial.)I have had clients assume I was gay, or assume I was straight. I have some who assume I'm a recovering addict, and some who assume I'm not. I won't tell them - any of them - one way or the other. If I'm doing my job, I can convey to them that I am capable of empathizing with them and helping them with their various problems without their assigning a label to me (the act of which is a therapeutic issue in itself). Conversely, if I do allow the application of such a label, it definitely will alientate a substantial number of them.And, purely for my own protection, I don't need to attach my name to something that would help my clients locate me. My very first post to this paper included information that pretty much draws a map to where I live. Maybe not a good idea, but then again, the story was specifically about my neighborhood, and my post reflected that point of view. And as long as my post doesn't have my name attached, there's no problem; people who know who I am because they know who lives there aren't the problem, and they're not my clients.

Dorothy Hoyt-Reed 6 years, 8 months ago

Pro_Counsel (Anonymous) says:I understand and respect why you don't use your name, but I've never associated your name with any of the really nasty comments. It seems like there are many who like posting anonymously so they can be mean and nasty to people. It looks like one article ended up being removed, because it got so nasty. All the really nasty ones I read were anonymous. Would they have gotten so gross if they were using their real names?

bearded_gnome 6 years, 8 months ago

dorothyR,you say people hide behind screen names to make racist/bigoted statementxs. several times, because I express social conservative perspectives, i have been called: racist; sexist; homophobe; exploiter of the poor; etc. twice in the years I have been posting, I have received honest to goodness threats through the private message system of this board. I have dutifully reported them and admin yanked the id's of the two individuals. given the content of both of these, I'm really really glad I don't post my name. I don't wish to endanger my wife or my dog, or of course myself. I too, as cited above, am troubled at people who think themselves morally superior because they sign their names as their screen names. honestly, I think somebody who does that is flaming crazy! I agree that some anonymous posters do go much too far. agnostic posted a completely foulmouthed post directed at me a few days ago, and I think admin still hadsn't pulled it or agnostic's user id. I use a screen name for those reasons. I also appreciate that if somebody reads a post of mine, and I make a political argument, cite some information, quote somebody, or comment on local decisions, that they feel I've been honest. so, next time they see my name, they have a sense they can trust what I say. that is valuable to me. there are trolls who don't care. and there will always be such trolls. there were back in junior high school too.It's not about having something to hide or not. It's about your safety and protecting yourself from a wacko who happens to trundle through one of thesethreads.--jasonexactly.
on the prom article I simply commented on how sexualized and pornified our culture was becoming and how it was taking away our society's childrens' childhoods. I said not a word about the lovely girls in the picture. I may have commented a little on their parents.

kcwarpony 6 years, 8 months ago

"Wow, bloggers got the Native American article disabled for misbehaving I assume...so it seems the LJW is willing at times to shut down posting."Closing the comment section, I can understand, but why did LJW remove the article? In a way, I find removing the article just as disrespectful as some of the comments.

BrianR 6 years, 8 months ago

Can you end up on the Group W bench for saying bad words?

mom_of_three 6 years, 8 months ago

You can prove you can google someone's name and information (for those who do not want to remain anonymous), but I thought it went a little too far (and juvenile) to post it on a forum to prove a point. We all know it could and can be done. Didn't have to put it out there for all to see.

littlegrace 6 years, 8 months ago

BrianR" I admit i put that envelope under that pile of trash"

notajayhawk 6 years, 8 months ago

Multidisciplinary (Anonymous) says: "Brian, That's two "of(s) don't forget the stutter.You probably could sense that in high school I could recite the whole thing. I have my sister's original recording.Then, if that weren't bad enough, a boy in high school could play the guitar part without a fail and say it. I was SO envious it was painful."Are you my long-lost twin sister? I could still probably get through most of it (and it's been a loooong time since high school). I knew people who could do the guitar part but not say the entire story, so we did duets.(I put that evelope underneath that garbage.")"I was also surprised to learn recently that I can no longer recite George Carlin's original words you can't say on tv."shpint*ckcs*rmf**rti(Let's see if this one gets pulled.)At least three of which have been heard on television.

bearded_gnome 6 years, 8 months ago

warpony, I agree absolutely. shame to pull the article. you'd think they had a lever to deep-six the comments and leave the article! alice's restaurant...oh yeah! and I was the one to put the garbage on that envelope, kid. thought your envelope was trash.
yes, py, I noted your comment got pulled. sometimes there is neither rhyme or reason. as I posted above, one poster waaaaaaayyyy outa line, not yanked, no post yanked.

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