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Letters to the Editor

Verbal attack

September 29, 2007

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To the editor:

In New York, Columbia University President Lee Bollinger stood on stage at the university to introduce invited guest speaker President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad of Iran. It was not a proper introduction. What Bollinger delivered was a scathing and humiliating personal attack on President Ahmadinejad.

Interestingly, before Bollinger spoke, another university official had asked students in the audience to show civility and restraint if they found themselves in disagreement with the Iranian president's message. Apparently that admonition to be courteous did not apply to the university president. Bollinger's vicious attack was hurled against President Ahmadinejad even before he began speaking.

In the interest of promoting international peace and harmony, as Americans, we must refrain from senseless outbursts demonizing world leaders that refuse to conform to our rules. We must examine our own inflated national pride that often blinds and misleads us to mistakenly believe that we are always totally blameless concerning any troubling world situations.

We must do better at listening to criticism so that we may accurately discern if our perceived enemies do, in fact, have legitimate complaints against us, as we have against them. And, of course, we must know when to stand firm and be appropriately confrontational with our adversaries.

Finally, we must be aware that our civility and fairness as a nation is being seriously questioned in many parts of the world. Costly and deadly actions taken especially in recent years by our thoughtless leaders have been horrendous. That must change.

Donald Moss,

Lawrence

Comments

b_asinbeer 7 years, 2 months ago

Wow, I haven't logged on all day, busy with errands, life, work, etc....and here I see people misinterpreting what I've said. I've just stated facts, and kozakid goes apes**t. Good luck in life there, kid. May want to spend more time out in the real world, and less on this forum. It'll do you wonders. ;o)

imastinker 7 years, 2 months ago

"appropriately confrontational and firm" would ahve been not letting this guy talk in the first place. You are right in that it was not approptiate to attack him as part of introducing him, but since people like you think we can have "international peace and harmony" with people like him, we need to not let him talk to the public. He should be shunned.

Dorothy Hoyt-Reed 7 years, 2 months ago

He needed to hear the reality. He doesn't get to hear it in his own country, because someone pointing it out to him would be executed. The remark that there are no gay people in Iran was absurd. They are just waaaay back in a closet or dead from the nation's executioners.

mick 7 years, 2 months ago

He threatened Israel and now the Zionist mainstream media has the public brainwashed into thinking that Iran is our enemy. For forty years our foreign policy has been geared towards the benefit of Israel to our own detriment. These Israelis (and Americans) are not really Jews. They are ashkenazis who have no historical claim to Palestine. They cry "anti-semitism" when they are criticized but they aren't even semitic. See Genesis 10:3. They are not descended from Biblical Israel or Abraham. Recently a professor from Depaul was forced out for criticizing these "Jews" even though his own family were victims of the Nazis. So much for freedom of thought in this country.

Dorothy Hoyt-Reed 7 years, 2 months ago

Because Isreal has done bad things, we are suppose to excuse Ahmadinejad and his government for their atrocities? Give me a break. Evil is evil no matter where it comes. If they still want to fight over things that happened thousands of years ago, let them keep it in their own area. We should allow all reasonable people to get out, then let them blow each other up. A friend of mine has a theory that people go nuts over there, regardless of their background, because there aren't enough shade trees.

Hong_Kong_Phooey 7 years, 2 months ago

Hmm...I wonder what kind of introduction President Bush would have received in Iran? Or what about President Clinton? Everybody loved him (some more than others, Monica)! Oh, that's right. Neither one of them would EVER be allowed to speak at a University in Iran.

Has Israel (not Isreal) done "bad things..."? Perhaps. However, every time you hear Ahmadinejad, or Hamas, or the Palestinians cry out that they want and deserve to have their own state, remember one thing - they had one. That's right. They had one and they f-d it up because of their hatred towards the Jews. They and some other Arab countries decided back in the 60's that they were going to "wipe Israel off the map" and attacked them. The Israeli's were still just trying to make their way in the world after having...what? Six million of their brothers, sisters, mothers, fathers, and friends slaughtered simply for being Jewish. The only country standing up for them was the U.S. Anyway, the Arabs attacked and got their arses handed to them. The Palestinians - who had a Palestinian state before they attacked - lost their state and have been whining ever since.

On a sidenote...whether or not we should have invaded Iraq is a moot point now. Please stop writing about it. It does no good. It's like being lost on a roadtrip and continuing to argue about the turn you should have taken 100 miles back. That does nothing for getting you back on the right road.

b_asinbeer 7 years, 2 months ago

Marion thoughtlessly writes:

"Amadinejihad is a merciless dictator, a complete loon...."

According to the rest of the world (~6billion people) Bush is the "merciless dictator, a complete loon"...just to let you know.

kneejerkreaction 7 years, 2 months ago

Don M. you wrote: "In the interest of promoting international peace and harmony, as Americans, we must refrain from senseless outbursts demonizing world leaders that refuse to conform to our rules. We must examine our own inflated national pride that often blinds and misleads us to mistakenly believe that we are always totally blameless concerning any troubling world situations."


My problem with what you wrote, Don, is the double standard of what Islamic extremists get away with (beheadings and subsequent videotapings, teaching 12-year-old boys to behead, hiding behind civilians, car bombs, etc.) all in the name of their cause, while Americans are held up to world scorn for panties on prisoners' heads, flushing the Koran, scaring prisoners with dogs, etc.

You are a victim of the world "accepting" the actions of the terrorists beause that "is just how they are". The poor, little dictator you defend as having been treated so reprehensibly is a POS. A POS, Don, and nothing less. What has he done to earn anyone's respect? I won't go through the litany of his bizarre and off-the-wall comments and his open support of terrorists, but this freak is clearly leading his part of the world toward chaos, and we're getting dragged right along.

You have been desentizied to the actions of our enemies and you dare to condemn someone treating Ahm. with no respect?

And you end your senseless comments by "...deadly actions taken especially in recent years by our thoughtless leaders have been horrendous..." You're a peach, Don. You defend Ahm. and you attack our own leaders. You're one misguided soul.

bisky1 7 years, 2 months ago

some mighty fine company you got yourself tied up with kozakid, i think you should have to spend a lifetime or two with don moss so you can learn to love and understand and be civil and understand and learn to promote international peace and harmony and know when to stand firm and be appropriately confrontational with your adversaries. yeah that'll fix it

kneejerkreaction 7 years, 2 months ago

kozakid (Anonymous) says: kneejerk: Yes, but our troops murder innocent civilians and make terrorists sleep in cold rooms. Also, regarding their 12-year-olds, we have a paramilitary group in this country known as Boy Scouts. How is this any different?


Great, a bleeding heart. Do I really have to explain? Our troops have murdered innocent civilians in isolated instances, and they are prosecuted for it. Did I say we were perfect? And we make terrorists sleep in cold cells? So what? They deserve to be fed their genitals, so a cold cell isn't a bad alternative. Terrorists, on the other hand, intentionally murder innocent civilians, every day, all over the world. As for your comment regarding the Boy Scouts (you were joking, right?), well, no comment, except to say that is why we created the Girl Scouts, to keep them in check.

kneejerkreaction 7 years, 2 months ago

For Christ's sake kosakid, the title of the article you site is: "Iran Labels CIA 'Terrorist Organization'". You must be middleeastern. If you're an American citizen, you are a traitor.

kneejerkreaction 7 years, 2 months ago

kozakid (Anonymous) says: kneejerk: The facts are on my and b_asinbeer's side. B_ainbeer knows that Bush and the US are much bigger terrorists than al Qaeda or those supported by Iran. He knows that Bush is the dictator who stole two elections. Ahmadinejad, like Hugo Chavez, was elected in a fair and open election.


I'm laughing so hard I can hardly write. Oh, that IS a good one....

bearded_gnome 7 years, 2 months ago

thanks to the LTE writer and two/three posters here, my ascertion long standing on these boards has yet again been starkly confirmed: many of the lunatic left are blood thirsty, and antisemitic.


we're supposed to make nicey-nicey nice and welcome baddinnerjacket who has the blood of hundreds of our own troops on his hands (traitorous); welcome him though he has plainly and repeatedly called for the complete eleimination of the state of israel, and the jews, from off the earth (stupid); and insists on having a nuclear bomb (wreckless). wow, all so much ignorance in one LTE. damn that's hittin' it.

this intensely evil man should not have been welcomed to speak at all, and the reaction of the reprobate students applauding him should have earned them expulsion from ANY american college or university. freedom to speak always comes with responsibility, and besides, the dinnerjacket ain't an american citizen with the protections of our first amendment...and his subjects in Iran certainly don't enjoy freedom of assembly, speech, religion, thought, press, etc.

kneejerkreaction 7 years, 2 months ago

Well put bearded gnome. Years after she embarassed herself and her country in North Vietnam, Jane Fonda grew up and apoligized for what she did. She did it out of the same mentality that is writing the pro Ahm (and CHAVEZ...OMG!!!) blogs. And that mentality is radical hate of your country, naivete', perhaps stupidity and more than likely inexperienced youth. At her book signing in Kansas City decades later a Vietnam vet spit chewing tobacco in Fonda's face. He said it made him feel better and if he had to do it again, he'd do it again.

bearded_gnome 7 years, 2 months ago

thanks KJR, I do recall that and I cheered the spitting vet! you are correct to identify that event with these lunatics.


knows that Bush is the dictator who stole two elections. Ahmadinejad, like Hugo Chavez, was elected in a fair and open election.

I think KK's foil hat was supplied by Halliburton and is seriously d defective...it's letting in the mind control rays from the planet of Doom.

"boy scouts" paramilitary organization? lunatic fringe on display! come get yer lunatic fringe! fringies! fringies! come to see the Fringies!

bearded_gnome 7 years, 2 months ago

displays completely vacuous capability of reasoning thought. empty, full of hate. sad little KK.

Wiz 7 years, 2 months ago

I consider myself tolerant of people different from myself. Being born and raised in the United States of America, I grew up with people of just about every faith known on Planet Earth. While I didn't always agree with others, I learned at a young age to tolerate. What The Professor from Cambridge said to an invited guest was academic arrogance and completely uncalled for. People are able to draw their own conclusions. I was ashamed for him.

Terry Jacobsen 7 years, 2 months ago

Whatever... you people go right ahead and defend that murdering fiend and say that he has a right to speak, and at the same time accuse our own President of being unworthy to be listened to. Why don't you go on over to Iran, there must be millions of people who agree with you over there. Oh wait... the waiting list is to get into this country, not Iran. Hmmmmmmmmmmmm

bearded_gnome 7 years, 2 months ago

yes, KK and the company you list really speaks volumes for your own depravity, vacuousness, hate, bush derangement syndrome, etc...you're listing the poster children! bye-bye

Tychoman 7 years, 2 months ago

Stop associating kozakid and other trolls with legitimate liberal ideals. They're making us look bad. Ahmadinejad deserved every single word, and then some from Bollinger. I only wish Bollinger had said more.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 7 years, 2 months ago

Marion ignorantly said, "Amadinejihad is a merciless dictator."

Anybody who knows anything about Iran knows that he is virtually powerless-- mostly a figurehead-- they know the Ayatollahs in the Supreme Council hold the real power. Anybody who knows anything about Iran would also know that he's about as popular in Iran as Bush is in the US-- in other words, somewhere around a 30% approval rating.

Why can't we just lock the two of them in a room for a couple of weeks and see if they can "just get along." I'm certain Bush has nothing better to do, and the same is likely true for Ahmadinejad.

Gary Sandell 7 years, 2 months ago

kozakid says: I agree with b_asinbeer. We need Mahmoud Ahmadinejad to finish the job Hitler started. This would be the best way to put that dictator Bush in his place.

When you say that I am "completely vacuous capability of reasoning thought. empty, full of hate," you're saying the same thing about b_asinbeer, scenebooster, Mkh, bozo, and every other progressive who agrees with me.


All I can say is WOW! At least b_asinbeer spoke up. Do you guys really agree with this loonie-toon? If that's how you define a "progressive", then you have progressed over the edge!

alicenevada 7 years, 2 months ago

Don, I was wondering how long it would take for one of the "ignorance is bliss" pie in the sky peace loving activists to come out and defend that sick twisted homophobic racist monster. Ah well, at least he has one friend in the U.S? Give me a break.

Curtiss 7 years, 2 months ago

As usual, the majority of the ranters think this letter was about Ahmadeinejad. As I've seen happen on a dozen other forums, anyone who claims we're a free country, bastion of democracy, light of the world, etc. and we should use this opportunity to show the world that we encourage free speech and listen to the views of those with whom we disagree and to illustrate by example what a proud, strong freedom-loving and tolerant country we are, etc. etc., ends up getting shouted down by a bunch of angry monkeys yelling "But he's a bad guy!!!!!!"

The story wasn't about him. It was about the embarrassing and rude behavior of the president of Columbia university. Other discussions of Scott Pelley's equally appalling interview on CBS 60 Minutes have ended up the same way (note on CBS's web site, 148 pages of commentary on that interview...most frequent phrase, "worst interview ever.")

Lowering and debasing ourselves and our country in this way only glorifies our perceived enemies. As one editorial stated, such rude behavior goes a long way to stimulate sympathy for Ahmadeinejad.

And what good does that accomplish?

kneejerkreaction 7 years, 2 months ago

Curtiss, You're right, Bollinger should have taken a different approach. Bollinger should have whipped out a knife, cut off Ahm's ** (fill in body part of choice) and shoved it in his mouth before introducing him. Ahm is a filthy pos.

whatupdown 7 years, 2 months ago

Koza, I think a proctologist can help you with your neck pain.

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