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Advantage lost

November 28, 2007

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To the editor:

I would like to convey my displeasure at the Kansas University Athletic Department and particularly Lew Perkins for moving the "home" game to Arrowhead. Somehow this did not feel like a KU football home game. During the game it felt like there were more Missouri fans than KU fans.

Someone informed me that the Chiefs season ticket holders were given first priority. Why? In most respects it did feel like a professional football venue all the way from the parking charges to the hawking beer vendors culminating with the announcer providing in monotone terms each run and pass yardage. His only emotion occurred when he gleefully announced that the Chiefs wanted to thank everyone for a second record attendance. And I thought that this was a KU home football game!

In keeping with the season I would like to nominate Lew Perkins for the Annual Big Turkey Award for removing the home-field advantage from a college football game. Perhaps naively, I still believe in the home-field advantage or the 12th man effect on the home team and this leaves me wondering, what if? By changing venues in the pursuit of more cash Perkins not only sold out the KU fans but also his own football team!

L.T. Fleske,

Great Bend

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DirtyLinen 6 years, 4 months ago

"In other words, if you eliminate home field advantage, you get an exact .500 record out of it, which is what you would expect."

Um - only if all the teams were evenly matched. As they weren't, it has a tendency to not give such easily calculable results.

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areyouserious 6 years, 4 months ago

Let me ask you all this one question?

If you were a player playing against your most hated rival, where would you like to play if you had the choice? Home or Away? Enough said

Lew Perkins sold his KU soul (if he ever had one) for a couple million bucks. All he has to do is pick up the phone and solicit a booster or two to make that difference. Instead the $2million KU gained was lost in our chances at a national championship.

I feel bad for these kids.......they didnt come to KU to have the opportunity to play at arrowhead. Nothing gets a college athlete fired up more than having the opportunity to play at home in front of a rowdy packed house of red and blue.

Lew Perkins and Mike Alden got SUCKERED by the Chiefs, who made out fat on this game.

For that, Lew Perkins, you are the BIGGEST Loser...................literally!!!

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logicsound04 6 years, 4 months ago

"That logic can't hold up unless all the teams involved in the calculations played "home-and-home" series."


Granted, a true statistical representation of home-field advantage cannot be obtained unless you get scores from home and home games for the same teams. That way the score differences between the two games can be predominantly attributed to the change in venue, rather than the change in opponents. (However, even this method is not perfect, as one of the games would inevitably be played after the other one, making familiarity/learning a factor)

Additionally, the home-and-home method isn't possible, as home and home stats just aren't available in a 12-game football season. My only point was that using the historic scoring advantage of home teams (5.5 points, according to kansas778) is far more reflective the actual advantage from home-field than using the average home-field point advantage designated by the Vegas betting line. At least the 5.5 is based on actual games, rather than game game theory designed to maximize revenue. If Vegas' line was intended to be predictive of the outcome, no one would ever bet on the underdog when they were on the road. Vegas makes money when roughly equal numbers of people bet on both sides.

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kansas778 6 years, 4 months ago

DirtyLinen, that is true only for one team who does not play everyone home and home, but when you include all the games played for the entire season, you get home and away games for all different kinds of matchups, thus accounting for all the situations you talk of and more. If you question my methods, here's a very simple test you can do: in the 46 Big 12 games at one team's home field, the home teams were 29-17. If you take away exactly 5.5 points from the home teams' scores, the home teams would be 23-23. In other words, if you eliminate home field advantage, you get an exact .500 record out of it, which is what you would expect.

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chet_larock 6 years, 4 months ago

Yes, MU played great football. However, there were factors involved in playing at Arrowhead that wouldn't have been the case if it was played in Lawrence. KU looked nervous for the entire first half of the game and I doubt that would have been the case if the game was played at Memorial Stadium.

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djgratt59 6 years, 4 months ago

Only "God" knows the real or actual value of Home Field Advantage for any specific game. Humans can only estimate that value using assumptions and some flawed model of reality. To dogmatically insist it is "3" is ignorant.

For Kansas, The Arrowhead site was slightly anti-neutral. Forget calling it a neutral field. There were too many loud, drunk MU people there. Kansas has a "wine and cheese" croud - very smart and controlled - quiet for the offense, loud for D.

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DirtyLinen 6 years, 4 months ago

"Yes, when someone gives you real statistics from real games showing an average margin of victory for home teams, just focus on one or two instances that demonstrate your point. After all, those specific situations are probably much more predictive of overall home field advantage than are the amalgamation of several game scores."

That logic can't hold up unless all the teams involved in the calculations played "home-and-home" series. That is, if BigStateCollege beats SmallTownSchool by 50 points at home and 40 points on the road, then you can say each team's home field advantage was 5 points. But if BigStateCollege beats SmallTownSchool by 50 points at home and then beats NotSoBigStateCollege by only 10 on the road, you can't attribute the whole 40 point difference to home field advantage.

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logicsound04 6 years, 4 months ago

"Repetition is the only way the truly dense ever come close to realizing the truth. I'm trying to help you out, futile as that probably is."


Unfortunately, repetition only helps the dense realize truth when it is someone other than the dense person doing the repetition.

As it stands, your repetition hinders you from realizing the truth, because it is your statements that are dense.

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"So you're saying the real KU-OSU score was 45-2. And the real KU-NU score was 76-34. Interesting."


Yes, when someone gives you real statistics from real games showing an average margin of victory for home teams, just focus on one or two instances that demonstrate your point. After all, those specific situations are probably much more predictive of overall home field advantage than are the amalgamation of several game scores.

What you seem to consider "reality" is really your own self-assuring delusions. "I'm realistic because I'm close to sports" is another way of saying "I don't need to pay attention to facts because I know I'm right". Keep telling yourself that.

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"Yes, KU football was a powerhouse program long before Lew got here and boy has he sure screwed it up."


First of all, crediting an AD with the on-field success of a program after one year is a bit silly. Yes, the AD makes decisions that influence KU's ability to be effective, but at the end of the day, the Coach and players are the ones responsible for this season, not Lew. IF you want to credit Lew, then he needs to be just as responsible for last year's disappointing season as he is for this year's great season.

Second, even if you do credit Lew with this program's emergence, one can judge his decision to hold the game at Arrowhead as an isolated event. He can be doing a great job overall and still have made the wrong decision about having the rivalry game at Arrowhead.

Finally, the fact that you people point to events during the game but dismiss home field is insane. The point of home field is that maybe Webb wouldn't have missed those two field goals in Memorial instead of kicking into the Tigers endzone at Arrowhead. Maybe Reesing wouldn't have tossed those interceptions surrounded by a friendly crowd. Maybe Missouri wouldn't have played with such poise and collectedness, had they not had the support 30-40K fans. Granted, Missouri was the better team on Saturday and KU should've been able to make those plays in Arrowhead just as well as they would in Memorial, but it is not a foregone conclusion that the result would have been the same in Memorial as it was in Arrowhead. Assuming that conclusion denies everything we know about how college athletes perform in their home venues compared to hostile ones.

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kansas778 6 years, 4 months ago

Pilgrim, that's just immature. Grow up.

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Pilgrim 6 years, 4 months ago

kansas778 (Anonymous) says:

In the actual Big 12 games played, there are 46 games on someone's home field, and 2 neutral site games. In the 46 games, the home field advantage gave the home teams an extra 5.5 points a game.


So you're saying the real KU-OSU score was 45-2. And the real KU-NU score was 76-34. Interesting.

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Rationalanimal 6 years, 4 months ago

Yes, KU football was a powerhouse program long before Lew got here and boy has he sure screwed it up. KU is 11-1, ranked 5 in the nation, was 8 points (2 missed field goals and a safety) away from an overtime game to play for a shot a national championship, has a better than 50% chance of still going to a BCS bowl game, and the Big-12 coach of the year. Look, KU had a great year, probably the best ever and brighter days are ahead. Missouri played on the same field, in the same weather, in front of a majority of KU fans. Playing in Arrowhead had zilch to do with KU's loss. Missouri was the better team. If you're complaining about KU's football season you're a pathetic fair weather fan. Lew's forgotten more about being athelitic director than most athletic directors will ever know. In an era of whinning fans who demand instant success or fire everything that moves, KU is lucky to have Lew.

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kansas778 6 years, 4 months ago

Pilgrim, 3 points is part of the betting line, and has nothing to do with the actual games. In the actual Big 12 games played, there are 46 games on someone's home field, and 2 neutral site games. In the 46 games, the home field advantage gave the home teams an extra 5.5 points a game. Now that's a real number, based on real games, not a betting number, based on what will make gamblers bet one way or the other.

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Pilgrim 6 years, 4 months ago

nomansland (Anonymous) says:

Pilgrim, you sound like a Mizzou fan. There's a tiger board you can join somehwhere.


Nope, just a KU fan grounded in reality.

"The typical fan will scream from the 65th row about holding in the middle of the line, then can't find his car in the parking lot." -- former NFL referee Jim Tunney

"Spectators don't win." -- Anonymous

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Pilgrim 6 years, 4 months ago

logicsound04 (Anonymous) says:

"Yup. All three points of it."

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broken record


Repetition is the only way the truly dense ever come close to realizing the truth. I'm trying to help you out, futile as that probably is.

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nomansland 6 years, 4 months ago

Pilgrim, you sound like a Mizzou fan. There's a tiger board you can join somehwhere.

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Leprechaunking13 6 years, 4 months ago

We will see how they fare in a bowl game soon enough! I personally feel sorry for whomever we end up playing in whatever bowl we draw, cause we're going to kick the sh*t out of them!

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logicsound04 6 years, 4 months ago

"Yup. All three points of it."


broken record

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Pilgrim 6 years, 4 months ago

Mr_Ramirez (Anonymous) says:

Hey "experts", let me simplify it for you:

Thats why its called "home field advantage":::get it?


Yup. All three points of it.

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djgratt59 6 years, 4 months ago

DirtyLin:

The point is the drunk MU rabble wouldn't be in San Antone or NOLA so the question is irrelevant.

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logicsound04 6 years, 4 months ago

"If KU needs to play in front of nothing but KU fans in Memorial Stadium in order to win, what chance would they have had in San Antonio, let alone New Orleans?"


Fair enough. But the fact remains that we may have beaten Missouri at Memorial Stadium.

How they would have fared in a bowl game on the road still remains to be seen...

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Mr_Ramirez 6 years, 4 months ago

Hey "experts", let me simplify it for you:

Thats why its called "home field advantage".........get it?

With that said, Mizzou was the better team..........but their fans are still Natty Lite drinking, Inbreds, who think the Ozarks are Hawaii.......WTs

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DirtyLinen 6 years, 4 months ago

"KU Wins, is number one team in the Nation, goes on to win National Championship, millions of dollars come into Lawrence Businesses. A season for the record books not soon to be matched."

I'd just like to ask all those who say having to play in Arrowhead (only about 45 miles from here) cost them the game the following question:

If KU needs to play in front of nothing but KU fans in Memorial Stadium in order to win, what chance would they have had in San Antonio, let alone New Orleans?

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kansas778 6 years, 4 months ago

Pilgrim.....you are waaay off base here. Vegas odds don't mean jack squat when it comes to the actual games. Vegas odds are a reflection of what gamblers think of the score, not what really happens. If you really think that a game would have the same outcome whether played on a home field or on a neutral site, you don't know what you're talking about.

The proof that KU would have done better at home is very easy to see. Look at KU's win-loss record at home and away from home under Mangino. Look at how KU performed this season at home and away from home. Do you really question that KU plays better at Memorial Stadium than elsewhere?

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Leprechaunking13 6 years, 4 months ago

Homefield/court advantage for any team is a huge plus! To give up that one advantage you may have over a team can crumple the chances for that team to win. I don't care how close you are to sports if you don't realize the value of home advantage then you have been either blind or ignorant your whole career. Granted we have no clue how KU would have fared against MU at Memorial. I do know that we were within 6 points at the end of the game after being down 21 on a supposedly neutral field that had a very heavy mizzou fan base. Would 2 field goals have been missed in memorial? Would Reesing have been off that little bit he was for most of the game? We do not know and never will. Look at Manginos record for the big 12 with home games and away games since he arrived and that should tell you that we play better at home than away from it. Look at the scores of the home games this season, specifically our offensive output. Truth is the game should never have been moved to Arrowhead in the first place, I don't care that we don't play in Columbia next year we should NEVER give up homefield advantage when we are supposed to be at home. I've always had suspicions of Mr. Perkins but after this debacle I will boo Lew from now on, he's a sellout. Did we really need an extra million dollars? Plain and simple No, we didn't! We would have gotten the same national exposure had that game been played in Lawrence seeing as how ESPN College Gameday covered the game plus extra money for being in the big 12 championship and the national championship had we gotten there. Did anyone see the interview with Lew and Missouris AD, they asked them both if they had any regrets about moving the game and MUs AD said obviously not with a chuckle and Lew hesitated, gee wonder why. Anyone else get pissed about musberger calling us the Manginos repeatedly?! Does ESPN and the analysts know that we are JAYHAWKS not the friggin Manginos, our mascot is a bird not a huge football coach!

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logicsound04 6 years, 4 months ago

"Again with the implication that I'm childish or biased just because I don't agree with you. Real mature.


Mirror."


Au contraire, I never said you were childish for disagreeing with me. You are entitled to your opinion.

You are childish for the way you act towards people who don't share your viewpoint--remember "Grow up"? Nice try though.

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"Excuse me? I just explained how Vegas odds are constructed. You can't explain anything to me about sports. I'm closer to them than you'll ever get in your wildest dreams. "


You didn't explain anything about how a point spread is designed to predict victory; you assumed it to be true. In reality, since Vegas is trying to entice the most number of people to bet on both sides of the game, it makes sense that they would discount the home-field factor, as that would entice more people to bet on the visiting team.

You also seem to have a superiority complex--unfortunately whatever direct experience you've had with sports hasn't translated to knowledge. As for my closeness to sports--being able to watch them on tv and in person is plenty close for me. They are just sports, you know...

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"So those whining about giving up home field advantage are doing so from an emotional reaction that rationalizes their team's loss rather than from the reality that KU just plain got beat, and where the game was played had nothing to do with the outcome."


Your "expertise" rearing it's ugly head again, I suppose.

Again, cite my "whining" or my "emotional overreaction". All I did was make observations about how playing in Memorial may have had an effect on the outcome--and I rationalized that possible outcome. You simply assume that I have a certain motivation (how do you even know I'm a KU guy?) and that my view can't be anything but a representation of that biased motivation. And you look all the more asinine for doing it.

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ohjayhawk 6 years, 4 months ago

Actually, I believe the game date was changed before the change in venue. I found this from an article from Jan. 22 about the move to Arrowhead...

"The annual Border War football game against Missouri, originally set for Nov. 24 at Memorial Stadium in Lawrence, instead will be played at Arrowhead Stadium. The 2008 game will be played at Arrowhead instead of Columbia, Mo."

Here's the link... http://www2.kusports.com/news/2007/jan/22/kumizzou_arrowhead/?football

It seems to me that it would've taken place on Nov. 24th in Memorial Stadium and not during the bye week of Sept. 29th.

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Pilgrim 6 years, 4 months ago

logicsound04 (Anonymous) says:

"Las Vegas makes its living balancing the books between the bettors for one team vs the bettors for another team. At most, you'll only ever get three points for home field. Three points. And that is usually overblown.

Those are facts, not emotional overreactions to a game in which your favorite team was outplayed. Grow up."

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Again with the implication that I'm childish or biased just because I don't agree with you. Real mature.


Mirror.

Again, you have limited sports knowledge. The Vegas odds can hardly be considered a reflection of how much advantage comes from home-field.


Ah, but they are. It's like actuarial tables in insurance. Historically, having a home field advantage is worth only three points at best in balancing the books between money laid down on the home team vs money laid down on the visitors.

Let me explain something to you about Vegas odds and sporting events-they are not the same as an outcome prediction. The Vegas odds are constructed, not based on who will win, but based on how the house can make the most money, using game theory. Therefore, a 3-point spread for home-field is not the same as disregarding home field advantage.


Excuse me? I just explained how Vegas odds are constructed. You can't explain anything to me about sports. I'm closer to them than you'll ever get in your wildest dreams. Historically and personal experience prove home field advantage is overblown as a factor in the outcomes of games. So those whining about giving up home field advantage are doing so from an emotional reaction that rationalizes their team's loss rather than from the reality that KU just plain got beat, and where the game was played had nothing to do with the outcome.

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The_Original_Bob 6 years, 4 months ago

"2nd week of September or first week of October (I forget which), meaning:" Scenebooster

Impossible for the 2nd week of September. Big 12 play doesn't start that early. 1st week of October was the KSU game so I guess that would have been possible.

I don't understand why it is impossible they couldn't have played that game after Thanksgiving at Memorial. The game was after Thanksgiving last year at Columbia. Did you read or hear of this somewhere. I've noticed you posted it 6 or 7 times this week with no source. Just wondering.

Game is over and done with so there's that. But for those who said that playing at Arrowhead made no difference, history most surely doesn't back you up. The last 3 or 4 times we beat Missouri at Memorial they were the better team. In fact, a couple of those games we were double digit dogs*. Home field advantage cannot be underestimated in College Football.

*While, as logicsound implied, the spread is not a predictive factor in the outcome, it is an indicative factor of where the teams stand prior to the game.

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deskboy04 6 years, 4 months ago

Aren't you happy that we get to play in Arrowhead next year? Won't more KU fans get to see the game next year...as opposed to going to Columbia?

Why do all of you ignore the recruiting advantage that this gives us? Sure it helps Missouri too, but I remember when all of the really good high school players wouldn't give KU a second thought when it came to becoming a Jayhawk.

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logicsound04 6 years, 4 months ago

Scene,

I thought you were saying that the game wouldn't have been played in Lawrence. I agree that the timing--and therefore BCS implications--would've been different.

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"Las Vegas makes its living balancing the books between the bettors for one team vs the bettors for another team. At most, you'll only ever get three points for home field. Three points. And that is usually overblown.

Those are facts, not emotional overreactions to a game in which your favorite team was outplayed. Grow up."


Again with the implication that I'm childish or biased just because I don't agree with you. Real mature.

Again, you have limited sports knowledge. The Vegas odds can hardly be considered a reflection of how much advantage comes from home-field.

Let me explain something to you about Vegas odds and sporting events--they are not the same as an outcome prediction. The Vegas odds are constructed, not based on who will win, but based on how the house can make the most money, using game theory. Therefore, a 3-point spread for home-field is not the same as disregarding home field advantage.

By the way, I implore you to cite my emotional overreaction. All I said was that moving the game to Arrowhead had an effect on the outcome. I never said that it would've guaranteed KU's victory or that KU was the better team. In fact the reason I am bothered by the exportation of our home game is because home field advantage is one of the best mechanisms for a lesser team to beat a better team, a la KU and MU.

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scenebooster 6 years, 4 months ago

All of this having been said, I wish the game had been at Memorial Stadium - which would have affected the outcome, no doubt.

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Pilgrim 6 years, 4 months ago

logicsound04 (Anonymous) says:

First of all, no one can prove this one way or the other. However, your out-of-hand dismissal of the idea demonstrates a lack of knowledge regarding sports.


Hardly. I deal with home teams and visitors on a first hand basis all the time.

Home field advantage is a large factor in sporting events-especially in rivalries as intense as this one. Do you really believe that a 50/50 split is no different that 50,000 rabid KU fans rooting against their most hated rival?


Las Vegas makes its living balancing the books between the bettors for one team vs the bettors for another team. At most, you'll only ever get three points for home field. Three points. And that is usually overblown.

Those are facts, not emotional overreactions to a game in which your favorite team was outplayed. Grow up.

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djgratt59 6 years, 4 months ago

Amen logicsound. Insofar as the outcome of a college football game is deterministic, the location it is played at is absolutely relevant.

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scenebooster 6 years, 4 months ago

"You can keep saying it all you want but it doesn't make it true."

I'm sorry, but you are incorrect. If the MU game had not been moved to Arrowhead (necessitating the schedule change to November), then we would have played MU as originally scheduled - 2nd week of September or first week of October (I forget which), meaning...

This game, the one that occurred November 24th, would never, ever have occurred in Lawrence, at Memorial Stadium, on November 24th.

That's as clear as I can make it for you folks.

"meaning that had we not agreed to play in Arrowhead, this year's game would have been in Memorial Stadium."

Indeed - in Sept/Oct., with no impending Big 12 Championship/National Championship game on the line.

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rumor_man 6 years, 4 months ago

oops...the Basketball game to the Sprint Center.

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rumor_man 6 years, 4 months ago

I just heard that Lew Perkin$ has negotiated a deal to move the Mizzou game to the Sprint Center.

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logicsound04 6 years, 4 months ago

"Arrowhead Stadium had nothing to do with KU falling behind 21-0."


First of all, no one can prove this one way or the other. However, your out-of-hand dismissal of the idea demonstrates a lack of knowledge regarding sports. You point to certain factors as being significant (you credited Reesing's interceptions to his gloved hand) but disregard others. Home field advantage is a large factor in sporting events--especially in rivalries as intense as this one. Do you really believe that a 50/50 split is no different that 50,000 rabid KU fans rooting against their most hated rival?

If you're still not convinced of the role that home-field advantage can play in a game's outcome, ask Mangino how his teams did on the road PRIOR to this year...

The fact that you dismiss anyone who laments the loss of home-field advantage as "childish" shows your own lack of maturity. Grow up.

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logicsound04 6 years, 4 months ago

"AGAIN! This game never had any cahnce of being played in Memorial Stadium!!! Had it not been moved to Arrowhead, we would have played MU at home in September or October."


You can keep saying it all you want but it doesn't make it true. We played MU in Columbia last year (42-17 ring a bell?), meaning that had we not agreed to play in Arrowhead, this year's game would have been in Memorial Stadium.

In fact, when this same proposal was made to MU, they didn't want to give up their home game to do it, so KU did, and in doing so, convinced MU to do a "home and home" at Arrowhead.

You are probably right about the timing being different, which (if you assume that MU would've won in Memorial Stadium) begs the question, would KU have achieved such national status had we lost to MU in the 4th or 5th game of the Big 12 season. However, I think Memorial would have provided the Jayhawks with a tremendous advantage.

But, it didn't happen that way, so I guess this is all moot.

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aeroscout17 6 years, 4 months ago

I don't agree with you very often Pilgrim, but well said. MU flat out played a better game which resulted in the win. I doubt the outcome would have been any different if the game was here in Lawrence. Still kind of aggravating about the revenue we lost but on the other hand I didn't have to fight traffic!

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Pilgrim 6 years, 4 months ago

Arrowhead Stadium had nothing to do with KU falling behind 21-0. Arrowhead Stadium had nothing to do with Todd Reesing wearing a glove on his throwing hand for the first time all season and throwing two interceptions. Arrowhead Stadium had nothing to do with the domination of the MU linemen on both sides of the ball. Arrowhead Stadium was equally unfamiliar to the Missouri team. And Kansas City is much closer to being in Lawrence's back yard than it is Columbia. This is nothing but sour grapes. Grow up.

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mom_of_three 6 years, 4 months ago

Actually, the MU fans were bragging they bought their tickets from the KU website, and it would seem more of the Chiefs fans were MU fans as well, or sold theirs to MU fans.
If it was 50./50 for Arrowhead, then the majority of KU fans were on the upper level.

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aeroscout17 6 years, 4 months ago

If I am not mistaken, there were more seats sold to KU than MU since it was KU's "home game." I have the feeling that the reason that there appeared to be more MU fans is because they were winning throughout the game and so were predictably more loud and jubilant.

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deskboy04 6 years, 4 months ago

The atmosphere at Arrowhead was electric.There were 80,000 people cheering for their team. It was on national television. The exposure that KU and MU got from this game will be a tremendous benefit to recruiting. Don't you think that the big OU-Texas game in Dallas has been great for each school?

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kneejerkreaction 6 years, 4 months ago

What was there to cheer about unless you were an MU fan?

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BigDog 6 years, 4 months ago

Exactly confrontation! And it was louder for MU because all of the MU fans cheered throughout the game, some KU fans sat much of the game a cheered little.

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Confrontation 6 years, 4 months ago

The reason there were more Missery fans is because of jerks who decided to boycott the game and act like babies. Maybe we should blame those people for the loss.

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scenebooster 6 years, 4 months ago

AGAIN! This game never had any cahnce of being played in Memorial Stadium!!! Had it not been moved to Arrowhead, we would have played MU at home in September or October.

People, quit your whining.

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50YearResident 6 years, 4 months ago

We can only speculate about what would have happened with the game here at Memorial Stadium.

KU Wins, is number one team in the Nation, goes on to win National Championship, millions of dollars come into Lawrence Businesses. A season for the record books not soon to be matched.

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Dollypawpaw 6 years, 4 months ago

Norm Stewart used to stay in KC Mo so that he wouldn't spend any money in Kansas.

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thanksforcoming 6 years, 4 months ago

Did somebody order a WHAAAmburger and some french CRIES??? Can we please get over it? We are going Bowling!! We are going to go to a good bowl, not the Ft. Worth Bowl or the Kiwi Bowl. What else did you want this year? This team laid the foundation for years to come. Do you remember that all everybody wanted at the beginning of the year was to be bowl eligible and to beat K-State? I do. Best year in Kansas Football history and "fans" still find something to cry about. GET OVER IT!!!

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blackwalnut 6 years, 4 months ago

Lew Perkins can take the blame for KU's loss.

I refuse to go to those games in Missouri. It isn't about traveling 40 miles. It's about whether Lawrence, that supports the Jayhawks passionately as they do, deserves to have the game here, and whether the Jayhawks deserve to play on their own turf.

Lew Perkins earned the Loser of the Year award.

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monkeyhawk 6 years, 4 months ago

"During the game it felt like there were more Missouri fans than KU fans."

Maybe that was the case. KU is not known as a football power, and maybe MU actually has a lot more fans who are willing to travel (especially if they do not have to set foot in Ks.) to support their team. Maybe the Lawrence bars who offered a quarter off beers were much more attractive than actually traveling 40 miles to the game.

Perhaps a little introspective, instead of the "poor me" theory, would be in order.

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fabian_zimbabwe 6 years, 4 months ago

Let's just keep on beating this dead horse. Wahhh!!!

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Richard Heckler 6 years, 4 months ago

The more letters the better. Keep the money and the fun at home in Lawrence,Kansas.

The networks go where the good teams are located even in Lawrence,Kansas. Sports networks know about Lawrence,Kansas.

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jlw53 6 years, 4 months ago

He obviously did sell out, but doesn't much care what you or I think. He has his million bucks a year and all his buddies and family have 6 figure salaried jobs with him. What have we got to complain about?

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