Letters to the Editor

Advantage lost

November 28, 2007


To the editor:

I would like to convey my displeasure at the Kansas University Athletic Department and particularly Lew Perkins for moving the "home" game to Arrowhead. Somehow this did not feel like a KU football home game. During the game it felt like there were more Missouri fans than KU fans.

Someone informed me that the Chiefs season ticket holders were given first priority. Why? In most respects it did feel like a professional football venue all the way from the parking charges to the hawking beer vendors culminating with the announcer providing in monotone terms each run and pass yardage. His only emotion occurred when he gleefully announced that the Chiefs wanted to thank everyone for a second record attendance. And I thought that this was a KU home football game!

In keeping with the season I would like to nominate Lew Perkins for the Annual Big Turkey Award for removing the home-field advantage from a college football game. Perhaps naively, I still believe in the home-field advantage or the 12th man effect on the home team and this leaves me wondering, what if? By changing venues in the pursuit of more cash Perkins not only sold out the KU fans but also his own football team!

L.T. Fleske,

Great Bend


jlw53 8 years ago

He obviously did sell out, but doesn't much care what you or I think. He has his million bucks a year and all his buddies and family have 6 figure salaried jobs with him. What have we got to complain about?

Richard Heckler 8 years ago

The more letters the better. Keep the money and the fun at home in Lawrence,Kansas.

The networks go where the good teams are located even in Lawrence,Kansas. Sports networks know about Lawrence,Kansas.

fabian_zimbabwe 8 years ago

Let's just keep on beating this dead horse. Wahhh!!!

monkeyhawk 8 years ago

"During the game it felt like there were more Missouri fans than KU fans."

Maybe that was the case. KU is not known as a football power, and maybe MU actually has a lot more fans who are willing to travel (especially if they do not have to set foot in Ks.) to support their team. Maybe the Lawrence bars who offered a quarter off beers were much more attractive than actually traveling 40 miles to the game.

Perhaps a little introspective, instead of the "poor me" theory, would be in order.

blackwalnut 8 years ago

Lew Perkins can take the blame for KU's loss.

I refuse to go to those games in Missouri. It isn't about traveling 40 miles. It's about whether Lawrence, that supports the Jayhawks passionately as they do, deserves to have the game here, and whether the Jayhawks deserve to play on their own turf.

Lew Perkins earned the Loser of the Year award.

thanksforcoming 8 years ago

Did somebody order a WHAAAmburger and some french CRIES??? Can we please get over it? We are going Bowling!! We are going to go to a good bowl, not the Ft. Worth Bowl or the Kiwi Bowl. What else did you want this year? This team laid the foundation for years to come. Do you remember that all everybody wanted at the beginning of the year was to be bowl eligible and to beat K-State? I do. Best year in Kansas Football history and "fans" still find something to cry about. GET OVER IT!!!

50YearResident 8 years ago

We can only speculate about what would have happened with the game here at Memorial Stadium.

KU Wins, is number one team in the Nation, goes on to win National Championship, millions of dollars come into Lawrence Businesses. A season for the record books not soon to be matched.

Confrontation 8 years ago

The reason there were more Missery fans is because of jerks who decided to boycott the game and act like babies. Maybe we should blame those people for the loss.

BigDog 8 years ago

Exactly confrontation! And it was louder for MU because all of the MU fans cheered throughout the game, some KU fans sat much of the game a cheered little.

kneejerkreaction 8 years ago

What was there to cheer about unless you were an MU fan?

deskboy04 8 years ago

The atmosphere at Arrowhead was electric.There were 80,000 people cheering for their team. It was on national television. The exposure that KU and MU got from this game will be a tremendous benefit to recruiting. Don't you think that the big OU-Texas game in Dallas has been great for each school?

aeroscout17 8 years ago

If I am not mistaken, there were more seats sold to KU than MU since it was KU's "home game." I have the feeling that the reason that there appeared to be more MU fans is because they were winning throughout the game and so were predictably more loud and jubilant.

mom_of_three 8 years ago

Actually, the MU fans were bragging they bought their tickets from the KU website, and it would seem more of the Chiefs fans were MU fans as well, or sold theirs to MU fans.
If it was 50./50 for Arrowhead, then the majority of KU fans were on the upper level.

aeroscout17 8 years ago

I don't agree with you very often Pilgrim, but well said. MU flat out played a better game which resulted in the win. I doubt the outcome would have been any different if the game was here in Lawrence. Still kind of aggravating about the revenue we lost but on the other hand I didn't have to fight traffic!

rumor_man 8 years ago

I just heard that Lew Perkin$ has negotiated a deal to move the Mizzou game to the Sprint Center.

rumor_man 8 years ago

oops...the Basketball game to the Sprint Center.

djgratt59 8 years ago

Amen logicsound. Insofar as the outcome of a college football game is deterministic, the location it is played at is absolutely relevant.

deskboy04 8 years ago

Aren't you happy that we get to play in Arrowhead next year? Won't more KU fans get to see the game next year...as opposed to going to Columbia?

Why do all of you ignore the recruiting advantage that this gives us? Sure it helps Missouri too, but I remember when all of the really good high school players wouldn't give KU a second thought when it came to becoming a Jayhawk.

ohjayhawk 8 years ago

Actually, I believe the game date was changed before the change in venue. I found this from an article from Jan. 22 about the move to Arrowhead...

"The annual Border War football game against Missouri, originally set for Nov. 24 at Memorial Stadium in Lawrence, instead will be played at Arrowhead Stadium. The 2008 game will be played at Arrowhead instead of Columbia, Mo."

Here's the link... http://www2.kusports.com/news/2007/jan/22/kumizzou_arrowhead/?football

It seems to me that it would've taken place on Nov. 24th in Memorial Stadium and not during the bye week of Sept. 29th.

Leprechaunking13 8 years ago

Homefield/court advantage for any team is a huge plus! To give up that one advantage you may have over a team can crumple the chances for that team to win. I don't care how close you are to sports if you don't realize the value of home advantage then you have been either blind or ignorant your whole career. Granted we have no clue how KU would have fared against MU at Memorial. I do know that we were within 6 points at the end of the game after being down 21 on a supposedly neutral field that had a very heavy mizzou fan base. Would 2 field goals have been missed in memorial? Would Reesing have been off that little bit he was for most of the game? We do not know and never will. Look at Manginos record for the big 12 with home games and away games since he arrived and that should tell you that we play better at home than away from it. Look at the scores of the home games this season, specifically our offensive output. Truth is the game should never have been moved to Arrowhead in the first place, I don't care that we don't play in Columbia next year we should NEVER give up homefield advantage when we are supposed to be at home. I've always had suspicions of Mr. Perkins but after this debacle I will boo Lew from now on, he's a sellout. Did we really need an extra million dollars? Plain and simple No, we didn't! We would have gotten the same national exposure had that game been played in Lawrence seeing as how ESPN College Gameday covered the game plus extra money for being in the big 12 championship and the national championship had we gotten there. Did anyone see the interview with Lew and Missouris AD, they asked them both if they had any regrets about moving the game and MUs AD said obviously not with a chuckle and Lew hesitated, gee wonder why. Anyone else get pissed about musberger calling us the Manginos repeatedly?! Does ESPN and the analysts know that we are JAYHAWKS not the friggin Manginos, our mascot is a bird not a huge football coach!

kansas778 8 years ago

Pilgrim.....you are waaay off base here. Vegas odds don't mean jack squat when it comes to the actual games. Vegas odds are a reflection of what gamblers think of the score, not what really happens. If you really think that a game would have the same outcome whether played on a home field or on a neutral site, you don't know what you're talking about.

The proof that KU would have done better at home is very easy to see. Look at KU's win-loss record at home and away from home under Mangino. Look at how KU performed this season at home and away from home. Do you really question that KU plays better at Memorial Stadium than elsewhere?

djgratt59 8 years ago


The point is the drunk MU rabble wouldn't be in San Antone or NOLA so the question is irrelevant.

Leprechaunking13 8 years ago

We will see how they fare in a bowl game soon enough! I personally feel sorry for whomever we end up playing in whatever bowl we draw, cause we're going to kick the sh*t out of them!

Doug Fisher 8 years ago

Pilgrim, you sound like a Mizzou fan. There's a tiger board you can join somehwhere.

kansas778 8 years ago

Pilgrim, 3 points is part of the betting line, and has nothing to do with the actual games. In the actual Big 12 games played, there are 46 games on someone's home field, and 2 neutral site games. In the 46 games, the home field advantage gave the home teams an extra 5.5 points a game. Now that's a real number, based on real games, not a betting number, based on what will make gamblers bet one way or the other.

Rationalanimal 8 years ago

Yes, KU football was a powerhouse program long before Lew got here and boy has he sure screwed it up. KU is 11-1, ranked 5 in the nation, was 8 points (2 missed field goals and a safety) away from an overtime game to play for a shot a national championship, has a better than 50% chance of still going to a BCS bowl game, and the Big-12 coach of the year. Look, KU had a great year, probably the best ever and brighter days are ahead. Missouri played on the same field, in the same weather, in front of a majority of KU fans. Playing in Arrowhead had zilch to do with KU's loss. Missouri was the better team. If you're complaining about KU's football season you're a pathetic fair weather fan. Lew's forgotten more about being athelitic director than most athletic directors will ever know. In an era of whinning fans who demand instant success or fire everything that moves, KU is lucky to have Lew.

kansas778 8 years ago

Pilgrim, that's just immature. Grow up.

djgratt59 8 years ago

Only "God" knows the real or actual value of Home Field Advantage for any specific game. Humans can only estimate that value using assumptions and some flawed model of reality. To dogmatically insist it is "3" is ignorant.

For Kansas, The Arrowhead site was slightly anti-neutral. Forget calling it a neutral field. There were too many loud, drunk MU people there. Kansas has a "wine and cheese" croud - very smart and controlled - quiet for the offense, loud for D.

chet_larock 8 years ago

Yes, MU played great football. However, there were factors involved in playing at Arrowhead that wouldn't have been the case if it was played in Lawrence. KU looked nervous for the entire first half of the game and I doubt that would have been the case if the game was played at Memorial Stadium.

kansas778 8 years ago

DirtyLinen, that is true only for one team who does not play everyone home and home, but when you include all the games played for the entire season, you get home and away games for all different kinds of matchups, thus accounting for all the situations you talk of and more. If you question my methods, here's a very simple test you can do: in the 46 Big 12 games at one team's home field, the home teams were 29-17. If you take away exactly 5.5 points from the home teams' scores, the home teams would be 23-23. In other words, if you eliminate home field advantage, you get an exact .500 record out of it, which is what you would expect.

areyouserious 8 years ago

Let me ask you all this one question?

If you were a player playing against your most hated rival, where would you like to play if you had the choice? Home or Away? Enough said

Lew Perkins sold his KU soul (if he ever had one) for a couple million bucks. All he has to do is pick up the phone and solicit a booster or two to make that difference. Instead the $2million KU gained was lost in our chances at a national championship.

I feel bad for these kids.......they didnt come to KU to have the opportunity to play at arrowhead. Nothing gets a college athlete fired up more than having the opportunity to play at home in front of a rowdy packed house of red and blue.

Lew Perkins and Mike Alden got SUCKERED by the Chiefs, who made out fat on this game.

For that, Lew Perkins, you are the BIGGEST Loser...................literally!!!

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