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Letters to the Editor

Loss of land

November 18, 2007

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To the editor:

After the inevitable end of cheap oil, I wonder how important it will seem to the citizens of North Lawrence that they have another tanning salon, fried chicken shack, manicure business and compound of storage units built over 141 acres of some of the richest topsoil in North America and where, presumably, desperately needed local food could have been grown.

Strip market retail is just the kind of project the proposed airport "industrial park" developer Jes Santaularia and his Diversified Concepts LLC specialize in. As yet, we have no reason to think that this new development will differ in any significant way.

The future is just one more thing for city commissioners to consider as they make their decision about this proposal.

Kelly Barth,

Lawrence

Comments

PAWPAW 6 years, 5 months ago

"if it's Y-O-U-R land, then you decide waht to do with it: Otherwise, just let us know when it's a good time to stop by your property so we can decide what to do with it: you may want to pack your bags ahead of time though:"

The problem with this rationale is that what one does on "their" land does not stop at the property line. At least for now, the wind does still blow and water does still flow without paying particular attention to political/economic borders, thus bringing whatever is upstream along with it...

What someone does on the land that they currently "own" (read "retain stewardship over") directly effects the lands of everyone around them, therefore imposing their will on the rights of other property holders in the vicinity. That is akin to "having someone come into your house and telling you what to do with it". But for now, the dominant worldview does not acknowledge this environmental/social "trickle down effect"...

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Bowhunter99 6 years, 5 months ago

what's wrong with a Walmart at 9th and Mass? Isn't a commercial district?

Your mindless comments about zoning are just that.... a shallow and meaningless attempt at hiding your jealousy towards others and towards specific individuals/corporations...

if it's Y-O-U-R land, then you decide waht to do with it... Otherwise, just let us know when it's a good time to stop by your property so we can decide what to do with it... you may want to pack your bags ahead of time though...

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northtown 6 years, 5 months ago

scooterxich,whatever that is ,is correct,this flood plain belongs to the Pine Family Farms,and is to bad that this wonderful city ,you call home,will probably let them turn it into at another good old Lawrence TAX drain!!!! Stand you citizens of Lawrence,if the Pines want this,make them pay for this,make them use their own water and find some other means for a sewer,and use county trash services. They can also maintain the sretts themselves,if they want,let them do it,thier land,then go for it Pine family,why does the city have to pay,you devople it ,care for it,and just find out how much more you earn?? Use common sense this is in he county,and should stay in the county,farm ground or not,thiers do to with as they please.. Go for Roger,spend your own cash,not the cities!!!!!!!! Citizens,call the commioshieners and voice let them hear what you think,i already have,but beware some are deaf!!!!!!!!!

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ellipsis 6 years, 5 months ago

Landowner rights? Quit your whining.

Read the sign at the county line "this is a zoned county." If you own agriculturally zoned land, you own the 'right' to farm it, nothing more. If you want to build City sprawl on that land, you need to 1. ask permission from the community and 2. pay the cost of development.

Without zoning we could have a Walmart at 9th and Mass, or a motocross track in Oread Neighborhood. The question is whether the zoning should be changed to put a strip mall on valuable soil.

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funkdog1 6 years, 5 months ago

Dear Pilgrim, you *don't**** know either. Yes, it is an industrial park, but there is also a strip mall included in this deal. The developer claims that it will be for use mostly by the people who work there.

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Pilgrim 6 years, 5 months ago

"Strip market retail is just the kind of project the proposed airport "industrial park" developer Jes Santaularia and his Diversified Concepts LLC specialize in. As yet, we have no reason to think that this new development will differ in any significant way."

lounger (Anonymous) says:

Amen Kelly! We have got to save some good farmland for sure. More stripmalls are needed about as much as another Bush in the white house:


There are two people who desperately need to buy a clue.

Here's a hint, Kelly & recliner: It's called an industrial park, not a strip mall. You know, offices, warehouses... Not donut shops and dry cleaners.

No, on second thought, it's obvious you don't know. Never mind.

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Marion Lynn 6 years, 5 months ago

Scooter:

Yes, you should be able teo do pretty much whatever you want with YOUR land and I doa gree with you.

What I don't agree with is using tax dollars to build in a flood zone and then rely on FEDERAL flood insurance to protect things which shold not be built in a flood zone in the first place!

If they build this thing and it floods out, as it will, the full burden will fall on the taxpayers and that should NOT happen!

Let them build it but because of the chosen location, offer NO taxpayer support or incentive of any kind.

You don't build where the water goes.

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Dollypawpaw 6 years, 5 months ago

It's a sod farm.. Liberals HATE grass. Ever hear a Liberal praise a golf course? They complain about fertilizer leaching into ponds.

I am suppose to believe that the Liberals are fighting to save a grass farm that leaches fertilizer into the Tonganoxie aquifer?

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just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 6 years, 5 months ago

Let's see how willing the developers are to develop if they don't get at least $8 million in public subsidies.

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lawrenceofkansas 6 years, 5 months ago

Less farmland = less crops = higher crops price = higher food price

What NOT to love this "lost of land"?

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kansas778 6 years, 5 months ago

Americans are obese, the LAST thing we need is more food! I have no idea where this LTE writer gets the impression that people here are starving.

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lounger 6 years, 5 months ago

Scootterxich- No one is telling you what to do with your land! I have 20 acres in the flint hills far,far away from civilization that I use for a nature preserve so when people like you sell all the farmland there will be places still left!

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hawkperchedatriverfront 6 years, 5 months ago

The land belongs to someone but for the public to continue upgrading all these "various" sites around town for the purpose of Industrial and Economic Development is ridiculous and not productive. DCDI was established to do this along with the Chamber of Commerce, now then they have done one poor skunk's rear end job and the result smells just like a skunk passed through. Either the Chamber and DCDI do it right, reinvest the profits or GET OUT of the business. Look at the recent nonsense in the paper about how the Chamber is backing Deciperha. What experience does the current chamber along with the past members of two decades have in doing much of anything.

NO to north lawrence development unless the private developer is just that. The town ran off the Casino, they discouraged Cracker Barrel, Loot at the row of muffler shop buildings that Glass built, still empty. nothing but tattoss and cycle parts.

I wouldn't be surprised it the motorcycle shop in old Rusty's builidng doesn't bail out in a few years.

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stbaker 6 years, 5 months ago

I'm not sure everyone understands how this is going to work if the business park goes through. Firstly, there are people who would like to farm this land. There was an article in the last few months highlighting some guys who wanted to rent more farmland to farm. Next, and most importantly: this project will cost city and county taxpayers a lot of money, and the developer(s) are putting your dollars at risk. They want someone else to pay for the infrastructure (new roads, road improvements, city water/sewage lines, stormwater improvements...) and of course I'm sure that we'll need to throw in some tax abatements somewhere--since that is the city commisions' specialty du jour. How many more fast food joints, banks, tanning salons, dry cleaners can Lawrence need? There are members of the Pine family that are very much opposed to selling off the farmland for this industrial/retail development as well.

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i_tching 6 years, 5 months ago

In the heart of America's bread basket, most of the food you eat travels 1500 miles to get to you. And much of the calories you eat come from fossil fuel fertilizers.

As the peak oil phenomenom progresses, food production will plummet and prices will go up astronomically. It's already happening.

http://media.mcclatchydc.com/smedia/2007/08/13/17/85-20070813-FOODPRICES.large.prod_affiliate.91.jpg

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monkeywrench1969 6 years, 5 months ago

Scoot

Right on. I'm tired of other people who claim to be looking out for the people's right trying to tell people how to live if it does not fall in line with their way of thinking. This hase been the anti-'s form of terrorism that has kept solid businesses from setting up shop here instead of the LEgend's. Anytime I am at an event out of town, the people I talk to say they love Lawrence and it is a fun place to VISIT. Visitors bring in revenue but not enough on a regular basis to keep the revenues up in the lean years like we have seen this year.

Harass and bog down the system so no one can get a start and "urban sprawl" won't happen here. That is their way. If you want a downtown/ strong business community it has to please everyone not just the local business owners or specialty shops. Even without the big box stores those businesses have come and gone regularly

The Legends is going to be the death of Lawrence's downtown and business. They have a little of everything and even their Target has more.

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BrianR 6 years, 5 months ago

I wonder why, if businesses can't make a go of it at the "mall" that already exists in North Lawrence, that building another one further out of town will have any more success.

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scootterxlch 6 years, 5 months ago

farm land can be bought by people who want to make it a farm. I am anorth lawrence land owner and I would like to reserve the RIGHT to sell my land. so to all those who have strong opinion about how a private citizen uses his or her property the answer is simple. buy it yourself and farm it. or build on it or let ot sit there it is simple really. or let me into ur house and I will decide what to do with ur property.

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labmonkey 6 years, 5 months ago

Not only keep the land that hasn't been encroached upon by strip malls, but lets bulldoze down the whole Legends area and the speedway and turn it back into farm ground. All it does is cause much congestion anyway.

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scootterxlch 6 years, 5 months ago

farm land can be bought by people who want to make it a farm. I am anorth lawrence land owner and I wll sell my land. so to all those who have strong opinion about how a private citizen uses his or her property the answer is simple. buy it yourself and farm it. or build on it or let ot sit there it is simple really. or let me into ur house and I will decide what to do with ur property.

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Ragingbear 6 years, 5 months ago

Can't forget banks. You know Lawrence, every city block must have more banks per area than Seattle has espresso stands. It's the law. Because banks are important or something. Where else is Johnson County gonna keep their money?

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lounger 6 years, 5 months ago

Amen Kelly! We have got to save some good farmland for sure. More stripmalls are needed about as much as another Bush in the white house...

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