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Homeless numbers drop nationally, not locally

November 8, 2007

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The number of Americans who are chronically homeless dropped by nearly 12 percent last year, according to government estimates released Wednesday.

But in Lawrence, the numbers of homeless appear to be staying the same or possibly increasing slightly, said Loring Henderson, director of Lawrence Community Shelter.

"It's hard to tell because so much is changing in Lawrence as far as our programs and things that are available and are not available," Henderson said.

A census taken in Lawrence on Jan. 29 found there were nearly 400 homeless adults and children in the community. Of that number, 32 were classified as "chronically" homeless - but that number might have been low, since a number of people known to be chronically homeless refuse to cooperate with such studies.

The federal definition for chronically homeless is someone with a disabling condition who has either been continuously homeless for a year or more or has had at least four episodes of homelessness in the past year.

Nationally, the number of chronically homeless dropped from 175,900 in 2005 to 155,600 in 2006, the Department of Housing and Urban Development reported. HUD credited government programs designed to move homeless people into permanent housing for the decline.

Lawrence task force recommended and local leaders and services hope they can soon provide similar programs to move people into permanent housing.

"We don't have a lot of that," Henderson said. "We don't have any in-house treatment programs in Lawrence; it's outpatient."

- The Associated Press contributed to this story.

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hawkperchedatriverfront 6 years, 5 months ago

Go green in Lawrence and homeless will go away. Everyone wants to go green. Let mother earth take over the town. Anyone know of green beer, organic beer? How about organic drunks and organic breast milk. Tell me how to get organic breast milk for the babies in need?

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llama726 6 years, 5 months ago

You guys are missing the whole damn picture. For a society that perpetuates the myth that we are "pro-life," you can find support for putting homeless people in concentration camps, and even a portion of people who advocate just killing them! What in the hell is wrong with you people? So a vocal minority of homeless people are just spoiled brats that families decided to pull the plug on; what about our soldiers coming home from Iraq with SEVERE problems and getting NO help? We are failing as a society to help them, and many other people who lack the resources to get any kind of psychological or psychiatric help (Hi, for-profit medical system? I have a poor person here who needs care. Mmhmm. Drop him off on the street you say? Alright) but everyone is so self-absorbed, you'll just keep repeating your tired mantra. God forbid your perfect lives ever one day be shattered. You should just be thankful, and not have this righteous indignation that people are asking for "a free handout" because you've "worked your ass off to get where you are." Congratulations. Sometimes you can work very hard and fail.

You guys are so indignant about where 0.13% of your city's tax dollars are, and yet there is little-to-no indignation about where 60% of your federal tax dollars go (here's a hint- it's wasted, mostly on 'military' spending to pay politician's friends who supply the military- inadequately, at that, but also for countless other wasteful enterprises). $187,000 across 88605 people (last Census 2006) is $2.11 per year per person. Woe is you and your budget from that big hit- now you can't buy that $1.99 + tax renovation to the house you've been wanting these last few years!

Before considering the war in Iraq, the defense budget for the nation is $440,000,000,000 across 300,000,000 people (not all of whom pay taxes, obviously): average impact of $1,466.67 per person. Don't cry about the money impact.

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Ragingbear 6 years, 5 months ago

Hey everyone, hawkmyloginisstupid is trying to tell ME what it's like on the Lawrence streets. That is really funny. I love how he has no clue, yet acts like he does. Come on boys and girls. Let's point and laugh.

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Rationalanimal 6 years, 5 months ago

You mean, homelessness has dropped under the evil Bush who hates blacks and poor people and especially both. Unbelievable.

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hawkperchedatriverfront 6 years, 5 months ago

Ragingbear, you are clueless about the facts, just the facts. Most of the people sitting at the drop in shelter have had a place but got evicted because they failed to pay THEIR share of the rent, the governmental agencies picked up the rest. The rent money went for booze, this violin sonata about the mommy with 5 babies and whatever, remove the kids and place them in an orphanage. It wont be the first time. What about those at the shelter who are getting a check from the government and are quite happy with the money and the free time to wander around town and use the library. We have the most literate homeless population in Lawrence. Their computer skills are unbelievable.

Interview please.

How, what, when and where. Just the facts. Ragingbear is far from raging but with a name like that youse smaks of an indigenent person and therefore should take it upon yourself to help the other indigenents or would that be ingredients.

How about this brown bear or would that be koala bear. There is a person at the shelter, banned at the moment for drunkeness that has a counselor at Bert Nash, is from a local family with financial resources...but is homeless because the family has had their fill. The person needs a reason to want to do something different. That is the problem with Bert Nash and the shelter. The two exist for the perpetuation of those employed , the poverty pimps. They have to recognize that those receiving services don't want a purpose and those that do are not being guided to do so.

So, go hibernate ragingbear and realize along with everyone else that Lawrence wants the situation to stay exactly as it is, and it will!!!!!!!!

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spywell 6 years, 5 months ago

They do has a short life expectancy, about 5 years at best.

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Ragingbear 6 years, 5 months ago

HawkmynameistoolongbecauseIhavenoimagination, The LJW has done many articles on the truthfulness of the homeless situation. This includes those that have been homeless for 5+ years, and those who are homeless for only a short period of time. That includes showing hidden campsites and articles about people addicted to drugs with their 5th baby on the way. But people like you choose to ignore stuff like that, and just run around and go "OMG Teh homless r teh suk".

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DotsLines 6 years, 5 months ago

llama726 (Anonymous) says:

"Many of them are either veterans or mentally ill citizens."

Or both.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071108/ap_on_re_us/homeless_veterans_23

Save your breath, though. It's absolutely disgusting how many people on these boards look at the homeless as if they are stray animals to be shooed off, like you said.

This isn't even a political or an economic or a liberal/conservative issue - what ever happened to the golden rule?

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hawkperchedatriverfront 6 years, 5 months ago

Why doesn't the J/W do a real truthful story about the so called homeless in Lawrence, i.e. those at the Drop In Center. Homeless? not likely, without money? not likely...why all this swan song with 50 violins playing all the time?

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Jonathan Allison 6 years, 5 months ago

Lawrence just wouldn't be the same without the homeless.

It just wouldn't be right to walk down Mass street and not have folks sitting on the sidewalk strumming their guitars or playing chess. We already forced them away from sleeping on the sidewalks, now we have no one to run hurdles over at night.

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toefungus 6 years, 5 months ago

Maybe the reduction in the homeless population is the result of the sub-prime mess. Since there are so many vacant homes, the "homeless" move in. Nobody notices they don't really own the home until a bank tries to sell it and the realtor says someone is living in it. The people surveying will have to start searching foreclosed homes, too.

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max1 6 years, 5 months ago

"Just another example of "feel good about myself because I want to take care of others by using tax and/or grant money" groups that have found a way to tap the tax dollar kegs." -Ceallach

http://www.lawrenceks.org/budget2008/pdf/cm_rec_budget_2008.pdf City Manager's Recommended 2008 Operating and Capital Improvement Budget TOTAL RESOURCES: (2007) $142,462,870
Page 67: SUMMARY OF OUTSIDE AGENCY FUNDING ALLOCATIONS
Homeless Task Force Rc: (2007 budget) $209,000 2008 requests: Bert Nash Homeless Outreach Team, $164,000; Community Cooperation Committee, $3,000 ; Salvation Army, $11,000 ; Lawrence Community Shelter, $9,000 Total 2008 request: $187,000 [0.13% of total city resources]
2008 request vs. 2007 budget -10.53%

Lawrence Humane Society: (2007 budget) $267,000; (2008 budget) $267,000 Biosciences Initiatives: (2007 budget) $200,000; (2008 budget) $200,000

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just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 6 years, 5 months ago

"Fill Bozo's bus full of those who need a bath and see how quick he bails when he cant stand the stinch."

Well, you're on that bus, too. Still want them there?

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fraublucher 6 years, 5 months ago

Bozo making nazi references. Naughty, naughty!

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fraublucher 6 years, 5 months ago

I can take one in for a night.

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Jean1183 6 years, 5 months ago

2 Thessalonians 3:10 (New International Version)

10 For even when we were with you, we gave you this rule: "If a man will not work, he shall not eat."

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Ceallach 6 years, 5 months ago

The Census, a report by the DHUD . . . this is applying apples to oranges. The homeless willing to be part of a census, survey, report, etc., are those trying to get as much as possible from the system and should not be thought to represent homelessness as a whole. Did the data come from scouring the brush in parks, walking along rivers, down the alleys at night? This is one big laugh on the taxpayers. Political leaches sucking the tax dollars as they research, write and publish documents on the homeless. Please!!! Some of the homeless community would rather freeze and/or starve than submit themselves to the rules, regs and reports of shelters. That group cannot be counted and since we have no "true" idea of their numbers the data for such a project is worthless. Just another example of "feel good about myself because I want to take care of others by using tax and/or grant money" groups that have found a way to tap the tax dollar kegs.

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Dont_Feed_The_Bears 6 years, 5 months ago

Fill Bozo's bus full of those who need a bath and see how quick he bails when he cant stand the stinch. Better yet, lets take a collection for all those who dont want to work and send them and Bozo to Florida.

I am tired of paying other peoples bills.

It is amazing that some of you do not want to help a company who is trying to attract PHD's but would rather build mental hospitals and shelters to attract tards, druggies and vagrents. It is amazing to me to see those who cant pay their bills, but have a blue tooth headset hanging from the scurvy on their ear.

Build it and they will come, feed them and they will stay.

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FatTony 6 years, 5 months ago

Geekin,

I'm looking and would gladly take $25-$30 an hr.

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max1 6 years, 5 months ago

~~if a man won't work, don't let him eat.~~ "Hmm. Enlighten us as to where exactly in the Bible that is located." -Ragingbear

A recent survey found that 3/4 of Americans believe the slogan "God helps those who help themselves" is from the bible, but it was actually one of Benjamin Franklin's sayings.

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offtotheright 6 years, 5 months ago

I don't see how you can say "That would make it "their community".

Are they paying taxes?

Let them starve if they don't want to work!

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TheYetiSpeaks 6 years, 5 months ago

posted by Dollypawpaw: "Also, pointing them out to the children is great as a teaching tool."

And what do you tell your children in that particular lesson? Hey kids, dont get schizophrenia or any other debilitating psychological or sociological phobias and conditions. Because if you do, you might have some ignorant, judgmental a$$holes generalize your situation and tell you are worthless......You are some piece of work.

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Dollypawpaw 6 years, 5 months ago

I don't mind the homeless. It makes me feel happy that I am not one of them. So let's keep them visable for all to see. Also, pointing them out to the children is great as a teaching tool.

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TheYetiSpeaks 6 years, 5 months ago

As usual when this subject comes up, I am mildly shocked and abundantly appalled by the amount of people who think that all homeless people are "lazy bums, who are unwilling to work, and have no interest in bettering their situation". I find it amazing that this town gets all riled up about rare frogs in man-made wetlands, business parks near the airport, Wal-mart, and coal plants in western Kansas, but when the discussion turns to helping fellow human beings your butts pucker up like a vice grip.

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llama726 6 years, 5 months ago

You people are incredible. You're talking about these human beings as if they're a stray dog on your doorstep. They're still people, you know. Yeah- a lot of them make dumb mistakes, poor choices, etc. So do most of you, the difference is you have enough of a social network to keep you from sinking to the bottom. Many of them are either veterans or mentally ill citizens. It reminds me of a song, well, more of a stand up sketch to music, where a guy is talking about how a homeless guy came up to him and asked for money, and he thought he'd say no, you'll just spend it on booze, but then he thought about it, and what else is he going to buy? A CD rack? A stock investment? Let me tell ya, it must be great to live outside when it's 20 degrees- soon to be colder- at night. And really, if you have NOTHING, how do you get a job? Do you go to your job interview in the clothes they are wearing? How many employers hire persons who cannot list a permanent address? How many landlords are willing to take in someone without a job? It's a double-edged sword.

But, continue on with your delusional "oh, just go work at McDonald's" thoughts- because clearly, it's just that easy to walk in and have a job.

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bd 6 years, 5 months ago

I like the one way ticket to Florida idea! At least they will not freeze to death this winter.

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Ragingbear 6 years, 5 months ago

~~if a man won't work, don't let him eat.~~

Hmm. Enlighten us as to where exactly in the Bible that is located. Because not only do I not recall it from the 4 times I have read the bible from cover-to-cover, but google seems to not have any biblical info on that as well.

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geekin_topekan 6 years, 5 months ago

I am saying that there is good in the worst of us and bad in the best of us.If you jennifer have survived physical mental or emotional abuse,addiction,neglect and mental illness than you have been gifted beyond anyone I have ever encountered and my hat is off to you.If you have never encountered any of these things than your words are nil and void of reason. I can only assume that you were raised in a decent hardworking family by loving and supportive parents?If this is the case than you have again been gifted beyond what many homeless people have been givin in life.If you have pulled yourself from the bowels of abuse and addiction then wouldn't you believe you have a responsibility to them?There is no easy answers to this problem.They are the way they are for some reason and I can't define what it is and neither can you.But unless you have lived a day of their life your hatred is nothing more than simple ignorance.Change that and you may find yourself a happier person.Or at least a more interesting person if nothing else.

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OldEnuf2BYurDad 6 years, 5 months ago

The Bible says a lot about helping those in need, but it also says "if a man won't work, don't let him eat." We should emphasize that the operative word in that passage is "WON'T work."

So, to answer Bozo's question: yes, some of them would get better, immediatly, if they went from little to nothing. Some of them just haven't become desperate enough to change.

This doesn't apply to all the homeless, but I think we underestimate how many of them just need "motivation".

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i_have_only_valid_opinions 6 years, 5 months ago

bozo - you just keep jacking your jaw and telling everyone how their comments/ideas are stupid...let's hear one good idea you have about how to solve the problem...re-read that last part - I said "good" idea.

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jennifermarti 6 years, 5 months ago

Put up or shut up huh? Are you trying to say we can help these people? Well here is a newsflash for you geek-there is no helping people like this!! They will sponge off the system until there is nothing left and then move on to sponge off someone else. They do not want to work and they do not want anything better for themselves. So how do you propose we "help" them? I would have no problem helping someone who wants to help themselves. Too bad that is not the case. I don't feel I am more entitled to anything; I have earned my living. And I have earned it without any free meals from the city or spare change from patrons downtown.

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geekin_topekan 6 years, 5 months ago

And what do you intend to do about this embarassment jennifer?Nothing?Put up or shut up. The embarassment to the community is people who feel that they are more entitled to life and liberty than those who have less than themselves.If money is all you have to offer this community than pack your crap and leave.

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MattressMan 6 years, 5 months ago

"One young lady from a middle class family said she was seeing America by hitting road. " Well what are you waiting for sister, hit the road and quit bumming off the citizens of Lawrence.

"And very likely, like a large percentage of homeless people, they really aren't a problem to anyone." Well it is a problem when they panhandle families, shelters seek taxpayer monies, they piss in your yard or better yet take a crap in the doorway of your business. Oh I forgot, that's not a problem.

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Bowhunter99 6 years, 5 months ago

feed them and they will come...

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jennifermarti 6 years, 5 months ago

Not a problem to anyone- They are a problem to our community.
Going downtown on Saturday morning is quite a site. Seeing all those jobless bums sitting out front waiting for their free meal, but not before they suck down that last smoke. The smokes they bought with the money they sponged off some taxing paying and working citizen the night before downtown. It's a huge problem to downtown business. And it's just plain embarrassing for the city.

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max1 6 years, 5 months ago

AMY GOODMAN: Andy Bales of the Union Rescue Mission in Los Angeles testified on how hospitals dump patients on Skid Row. ANDY BALES: Unlike some unfortunate souls who are dumped or dropped off on Skid Row, I worked my whole life to end up on Skid Row, and I finally made it. I want to make sure no human being is left on the streets of Skid Row. Three years ago, my predecessors found that a woman had been dropped off by a hospital. She walked in with an IV in her arm, sat down in our guest area and died 10 minutes later from pneumonia. We set up what is now called a hospital dump can out in front of the building. And in the fall of 2005, we had a gentleman show up in a gurney, having seizures and the hospital attempted to drop him off, but the captain of the police force, Andy Smith, happened to be at our place in a meeting, he ran down, intervened, made the man the ambulance driver - put him back in the ambulance and sent him back to the hospital.

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just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 6 years, 5 months ago

"One young lady from a middle class family said she was seeing America by hitting road. "

And very likely, like a large percentage of homeless people, they really aren't a problem to anyone.

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geekin_topekan 6 years, 5 months ago

Many are from "our community".Born and raised here in toontown.That would make it "their community".A lot more than the transplanted jocos on these boards.

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max1 6 years, 5 months ago

"Don't let bozo bait you into his conversation about a "final solution." He's making a not-very-subtle reference to Hitler's "final solution" for Jews in Nazi Germany." -SettingTheRecordStraight

4 May 1996 BRASILIA, Brazil (CNN) -- A third former police officer confessed Saturday to shooting to death a group of Brazilian street children as they slept. Marco Aurelio Alcantara, who goes on trial next month, was identified by one child who survived the shooting and later identified him. . . Even though by Brazilian law, Emmanuel will only serve 30 years, the conviction is seen as a major step forward for human rights, since no Brazilian policeman had ever been convicted for murdering street children before. Human rights groups believe about 1,000 homeless children are shot each year, many by squads hired by shopkeepers. Off-duty policemen are believed to sometimes participate in the squads.

2007-11-07 http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2007-11/07/content_7025453.htm BRASILIA, Nov. 6 (Xinhua) -- Brazilian police on Tuesday arrested 34 suspected members of death squads allegedly responsible for hundreds of murders in the country, detectives said. . . The detainees included police officers, soldiers, business people and lawyers. . . The death squads have killed street children, the homeless, thieves and people who are deemed a menace to society.

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jumpin_catfish 6 years, 5 months ago

While you can't paint all homeless with a broad brush, I have talked to some of our homeless folks and they have chosen their life style. One young lady from a middle class family said she was seeing America by hitting road. Crazy if you ask me but the question is how our community is going to deal with a real social problem. Step 1. Provide assitance and support to those truly need. (Emotional & mental health issues, job training etc) Step 2. Determine those "milking the system" and use all legal means to encourage them to leave our community.

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SettingTheRecordStraight 6 years, 5 months ago

Don't let bozo bait you into his conversation about a "final solution." He's making a not-very-subtle reference to Hitler's "final solution" for Jews in Nazi Germany.

Way to keep the conversation dignified, bozo.

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max1 6 years, 5 months ago

A census taken in Lawrence on Jan. 29 found there were nearly 400 homeless adults and children in the community. Of that number, 32 were classified as "chronically" homeless - but that number might have been low . . . Nationally, the number of chronically homeless dropped from 175,900 in 2005 to 155,600 in 2006

I don't believe these figures, but if they are correct then the number of "chronically homeless" in Lawrence is lower than the national average. If we were average we would have 44 "chronically homeless" in Lawrence.

November 8, 2007 http://www.newsroomamerica.com/usa/story.php?id=398789 U.S. military veterans make up one in four homeless people, yet only account for about 11 percent of the population. According to a report released Thursday, homelessness is not just a problem among middle-age and elderly veterans. Younger vets those from the Iraq and Afghanistan wars are also winding up in soup kitchens and seeking help finding employment and shelter. The Veterans Affairs Department has identified 1,500 homeless veterans from the current wars . . . The Alliance to End Homelessness, a public education nonprofit, in its report, found that 2005 data estimated that 194,254 homeless people out of 744,313 on any given night were veterans.

November 7, 2007 http://www.kansascity.com/115/story/351623.html Missouri a magnet for homeless veterans The report ranks Missouri fourth in the nation for the highest percentage of its veterans who are homeless, behind the District of Columbia, Louisiana and California. Missouri had an estimated 4,800 homeless veterans in 2005, according to the report. Kansas had 620. . . Veterans make up 11 percent of the 18-and-older population, the report said, but 26 percent of homeless people.

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just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 6 years, 5 months ago

"Not attracting them would be a wonderful "final solution"."

So you're saying that making them someone else's problems is a good "final solution?" Who do you have in mind?

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ljwatcher 6 years, 5 months ago

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus (Anonymous) says:

So are you saying that you'd hire these homeless folks, dmcclain? Even the ones who are scizophrenic, or have similarly disabling mental illnesses?

Listen bozo...they are not all that way. There are a lot of homeless people just due to alcoholism, & laziness. The disabled should be taken care of, while the lazy should be made to work, or starve.

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Dollypawpaw 6 years, 5 months ago

A "final solution" would be a lot more honest way to go about acheiving the same result.

Not attracting them would be a wonderful "final solution".

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TheYetiSpeaks 6 years, 5 months ago

This article is complete crap. Because of the difficulty of "counting" the homeless I have two thoughts: 1. I severely doubt that chronic homelessness has dropped 12% nationwide. This is simply propaganda commissioned by whomever would benefit from advertising a drop in the homeless population.

  1. Nowhere in this article do they put a definitive current number on the local population of the chronically homeless. In fact, the exact quote is, "It's hard to tell because so much is changing in Lawrence as far as our programs and things that are available and are not available,"

Sorry, LJW. Your headline is crap. Your paper is for the most part crap. Metaphorically speaking, this article is a giant flaming bag of poo on all our doorsteps. Thanks for nothing and have a nice day.

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just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 6 years, 5 months ago

"Not giving them something for nothing though would help in pushing them on to somewhere else."

A "final solution" would be a lot more honest way to go about acheiving the same result.

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Dollypawpaw 6 years, 5 months ago

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus (Anonymous) says:

"Yep, we are going to become the Seattle of the Midwest, supplying bunks for drunks."

So do you have a "final solution" that you'd like to propose?

There is no solution. Not giving them something for nothing though would help in pushing them on to somewhere else. I blame Christians for the homeless problems. Christians are always giving people something for nothing.

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Ragingbear 6 years, 5 months ago

Wow. You guys sure are stupid. How did you figure out how to operate a computer?

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just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 6 years, 5 months ago

Wow, doc1, that's brilliant. All we have to do is make sure that people who have nothing have even less.

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Dave McClain 6 years, 5 months ago

Great observations, geekin! If the dedication to employment was even close to the dedication of being in line for the free food, those that could work would have jobs. There will always be the need to help support the "scizophrenic, or have similarly disabling mental illnesses" that bozo points out. It's the article's point of the decreases in the population in the rest of the country, but the potential increases in Lawrence that are the concern.

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doc1 6 years, 5 months ago

Here's a solution. Give them free one way bus tickets to Florida. The price paid supporting these people shadows the cost of tickets. Ok but seriously. Stop giving these people so much free stuff. It's getting worse and only the tax payers and downtown business people suffer.

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geekin_topekan 6 years, 5 months ago

You couldnt hire them if you tried.I have gone there with jobs that pay $10-40 hr.Not one taker.So,i kept the money for myself. My point?ther is none.Just an obsevation.If was not angry,just amused. Incidently,the homeless clients that volunteer there are at their post in the dropin center,daily,without fail and will not leave there post.Period.Why can't they display this dedication to a paying job?Your guess is as good as anyone's. I was homeless once.Lived by the river.Bummed money downtown.But a few eye opening experiences made me see the err of my ways and I took the bull by the horns and did what I needed to do to get off teh streets.If I can do anyone with the capacity to look themselves in the mirror and say "you need help" can do it also. I can tell you that one of the biggest hurdles beyond finding a livable wage is finding a landlord that will rent to you.But,again,it can done.Fairly easily really but you cannot give up,rely on the dropin or sally for anything or drink/drug.It's trhat simple. But,in the meantime,i still flip the bums a buck or two.I've been there and if my contribution can push them closer to that lifechanging event than I am doing my part to help them off the street.

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just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 6 years, 5 months ago

"Yep, we are going to become the Seattle of the Midwest, supplying bunks for drunks."

So do you have a "final solution" that you'd like to propose?

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blue73harley 6 years, 5 months ago

"Lawrence task force recommended and local leaders and services hope they can soon provide similar programs to move people into permanent housing."

Yep, we are going to become the Seattle of the Midwest, supplying bunks for drunks.

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just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 6 years, 5 months ago

So are you saying that you'd hire these homeless folks, dmcclain? Even the ones who are scizophrenic, or have similarly disabling mental illnesses?

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Dave McClain 6 years, 5 months ago

That's because we promote them coming to town, feed them, house them, and give them money when they beg for it.

We have lots of job openings here, but can't get people to come to work every day. Why work when you can eat and sleep for free.

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toefungus 6 years, 5 months ago

This is simply a relocation problem. More homeless are relocating here.

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