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May 23, 2007

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To the editor:

The hand-wringing over the Bush administration (don't wince when you read that) and whether it went through the many, many hoops and halters before entering Iraq - with a coalition of countries larger than the ones that entered Kosovo and Somalia - are unwarranted and done so in a cloud of self-prescribed ignorance on the part of Daniel Patrick Schamle in his May 14 letter to the editor.

"Oil for food" was abused by many to the tune of $10.1 billion in illegal revenue from which the Iraqi people never saw benefit. Saddam Hussein was an evil, corrupt, mass-murdering dictator who needed to be displaced regardless of what happened on 9/11. He raped and pillaged his own people far too long while the United Nations and the international community (France, Germany and Russia, who benefited from illegal kickbacks through oil-for-food, included) stood by and shook their fingers in his general direction saying, "Now don't you do that again Mr. Hussein, or else we'll pass another unenforceable and impotent resolution."

Taking back this world from the terrorists who threaten free and just people everywhere requires strong wills, strong arms and a relentlessness that obviously the left in this country do not possess. It is time for them to stand aside and let the good side prevail and stop hampering our soldiers and those who have the responsibility to put them in harm's way. It is difficult enough a task without their meddlesome intrusions.

Kristopher Aaron Nelson,

Lawrence

Comments

Ragingbear 7 years, 11 months ago

Yeah. And Bush is a dictator that illegally stole an election to gain control of a democratic nation, let 9-11 happen even after the plan was revealed way in advance, told everyone that Iraq had WMD's despite his compliance with U.N. inspections, fabricated intelligence to justify a war that his daddy started, has done more to obliterate our constitutional rights than all of the former presidents in history, ran up an all time high on our deficit and our national debt, has grossly underfunded his war campaign preventing soldiers from getting the proper equipment they needed to protect themselves, broke several tenets of the Geneva Convention,authorized torture of American citizens, sank the Titanic and is the sole cause for Manbearpig.

bisky1 7 years, 11 months ago

yeah (breathlessly now) how about overseeing an economy so horrible that my brothers wifes friend knows a guy whose son can't get a job paying him what he thinks he is worth. and corruption so deep they still can't get rove or cheney.

Richard Heckler 7 years, 11 months ago

I disagree with author and cannot support the Pres. Bush position of lying to invade and occupy. Nor can I support ALL of those politicians who continue to do nothing of substance to stop the occupation and bring the troops home. Getting off the oil nipple = more of a chance at world peace.

http://nationalpriorities.org/index.php?option=com_wrapper&Itemid=182

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Bill Chapman 7 years, 11 months ago

Point 1.> I fully and TOTALLY support the troops!! Point 2.> I DO NOT support Bush!! Point 3.> Saddam NEEDED to be removed from office. Point 4.> Fabricating reasons to invade Iraq is going to be biting the U.S. government in the ass for years. Point 5.> It is IMPOSSIBLE to free people from a system of government unless THEY are willing to free themselves. (The Iraqi people do NOT have this initiative in high enough quantity) Point 6.> The only group that can be seen to have ANY interest in remaining in Iraq are the Independent contractors. (But now that Bush has opened this can of rotting, putrid, infested maggots, the U.S. is now committed to cleaning it up. Otherwise, we will never get ANY respect from ANY mid-eastern nation.)

temperance 7 years, 11 months ago

Kristopher looks so cute in his macho warrior pose, don't you think? Look at the size of his yellow ribbon car magnet he must be so patriotic. Between his "strong arms" and "relentlessness," gosh, the ladies in the office just swoon!

Psychologically, I'm sure he feels compelled to write this letter as a way of making mental peace with the fact that he gave his full-throated support for the worst foreign policy decision in decades and for the most unpopular president since Hoover. Now that it is glaringly apparent how wrong he was and how right the Dixie Chicks were Kris is having a meltdown.

TheHeartlessBureaucrat 7 years, 11 months ago

Ok...I'm just going to focus on one concept here, the removal of the "Evil, corrupt and mass murdering dictator..." (who is now dead, by the way.)

Raise your hand if you are familiar with any of THESE Evil, corrupt and mass murdering dictators?

Pol Pot, Yahya Kahn and Augusto Pinochet (his moniker of dictator is questionable depending on your definition)? Please provide me with the date and duration of the American Military commitment to dispose of these worrisome creatures.

Now, you can play team politics and blame the other guy for this but all of these individuals have were ignored by administrations of all kinds...left, right and right down the middle.

The moment you mention Left or Right, your argument loses credibility. So please, put down the party playbooks and use your OWN brain.

...and my point...the United States has not made a policy of going after bad guys just because they are bad...we go after them because it benefits us as a nation. There are plenty of bad guys out there right now but we don't act. (not visibly anyway) So please don't fall back on the "Benevolent Guardian of Everything Good" argument because it just doesn't hold water.

Yrs,

THB

ksmoderate 7 years, 11 months ago

This guy sounds like the typical bad guy (old caretaker, etc.) from Scooby Doo. "If it weren't for those meddling kids!"

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 7 years, 11 months ago

"Augusto Pinochet (his moniker of dictator is questionable depending on your definition)?"

It's only questionable by those who believe that because he was essentially installed by Kissinger and the CIA, and propped up by subsequent administrations, he couldn't possibly be a "dictator."

drewdun 7 years, 11 months ago

"It is difficult enough a task without their meddlesome intrusions."

Yeah, that damn democracy and 'will of the people' thing is highly overrated.

We should all just accept what our government says (but only government controlled by the iron-willed right, of course), close our eyes, and clap harder. That just about sums up the entire modern right-wing movement - suspension of disbelief. And I just love armchair, keyboard kommandos....

"Taking back this world from the terrorists who threaten free and just people everywhere requires strong wills, strong arms and a relentlessness that obviously the left in this country do not possess"

The propaganda is strong in this one, Obi-wan. Hey Kris, ever heard of 'five-deferment Dick?' But then why should reality permeate a fascist rant - it never does on this website anyways, so let's continue the trend.

"It is time for them to stand aside and let the good side prevail and stop hampering our soldiers"

Once again, the disrespect the modern right-wing movement has for democracy and the popular will of the people of our nation is breathtaking. And the fact that they live in such a meticulously constructed alternative universe speaks volumes about the 28 percenters. The fact is that the overwhelming majority of our country now realizes what a monumental mistake the war in Iraq has been, and that its time to stop sacrificing our brave soldiers in this unnecessary war. But there will be some, like the factor and rt, who will continue to have blind faith, simply because of the (R) next to Bush's name, and they will have the gall to call it 'patriotism.' Willful ignorance and thoughtless acceptance of propaganda are NOT facets of patriotism. They are more akin to aspects of fascism, which the modern American right is very, very well versed in, as demonstrated by this mindless diatribe of an LTE.

drewdun 7 years, 11 months ago

rt says:

"Wars and defending America are simply not even in the top of the "To Do" list for liberals.

On the "To Do" list would be:

  1. Guarantee enfettered gay rights
  2. Advance pro-choice (up to been born a few days??)
  3. Tax the bejusus out of Americans and redistribute everyones income
  4. Completely take away right to keep/bear arms
  5. Place more control into educators hands-less of parents
  6. Increase welfare programs
  7. Allow wholesale illegal immigration
  8. Legalize all narcotics
  9. Limit auto/type of auto ownership and driving
  10. Limit ALL kinds of ownership
  11. Remove ALL symbols of Christianity-replace with Islam

:.to name a few"

Good Lord. Oh well, let's begin.

"1. Guarantee enfettered gay rights" - 'Enfettered.' Enough said.

"2. Advance pro-choice (up to been born a few days??)" - are you still drunk?

"3. Tax the bejusus out of Americans and redistribute everyones income" - yeah, because taxes dropped so dramatically when the pubs were in charge.

"4. Completely take away right to keep/bear arms" - Utterly false. Perhaps in the past some on the left advocated strict gun control legislation, but that has almost completely disappeared from liberal politics. You absolutely do know this, but once again why let reality ruin a good fascist rant? (PS ever heard of Michael Bloomberg? IIRC, he has that little (R) next to his name that you love so much and he's the most prominent gun-control advocate in the country today)

"5. Place more control into educators hands-less of parents" - Once again, still plastered? This is so dumb its not even worth commenting on. I will say that it was your team who wanted to place more control in bureaucrats hands - less of teachers.

Continued below....

drewdun 7 years, 11 months ago

"6. Increase welfare programs" - If you consider making sure everyone has health insurance in the richest country the world has ever seen, then you're damn right.

"7. Allow wholesale illegal immigration" - Do you even pay attention to current events? Once again, another bogus, detached-from-reality argument from the king of bs.

"8. Legalize all narcotics" - What in the name of God are you blathering about? Name me ONE liberal in a position of power who has espoused this view. And btw, there are many on the right, like some libertarians, who hold this view, so really, stfu.

"9. Limit auto/type of auto ownership and driving" - What are you smoking? Maybe we do need more restrictions on narcotics, specifically whatever it is that rt imbibes on a daily basis. (I guess he could just be bats*** - we'll never know for sure. Perhaps a combination of narcotics and insanity, that makes sense)

"10. Limit ALL kinds of ownership" - WTF are you talking about? Do you realize you now are at such a negative level of credibility here that you are nothing more than a joke? No one can take anything you say seriously after a turd like that. Pure idiocy.

"11. Remove ALL symbols of Christianity-replace with Islam" - AAAAAARRRRRRRGGGGGGGHHHHHHHH. (Banging head against wall). Listen, I don't know how else to put this, so I'll just say it - YOU ARE AN IDIOT. Yes, an insult. Yes, not an effective debate tactic. But when you are dealing with someone so obviously deranged and utterly, hopelessly ignorant and inflammatory, there really is nothing left to say other than YOU ARE AN IDIOT.

tolawdjk 7 years, 11 months ago

Let's forget about Iraq for one minute.

I think it is safe to say, right or left, -everyone- wants the capture of Osama. He was the man behind 9/11, he is the name attached to this -entire- movement and I don't see anyone saying we should stop trying to bring him to justice.

Except we can't. Militarily, diplomatically, unilaterally the current batch in power can't pull this off. IS it the troops fault? Are they not looking hard enough? What is the problem?

drewdun 7 years, 11 months ago

""6. Increase welfare programs" - If you consider making sure everyone has health insurance in the richest country the world has ever seen, then you're damn right."

Should have read...

""6. Increase welfare programs" - If you consider making sure everyone has health insurance in the richest country the world has ever seen 'welfare,' then you're damn right.

drewdun 7 years, 11 months ago

Sorry, one last thing. This is what the letter writer so badly wants to see continued....

"Iraq Attacks Kill 9 U.S. Troops"

"BAGHDAD (AP) -- Roadside bombings and gunbattles across Iraq killed nine U.S. servicemen, and U.S. authorities were examining a body found in a river south of Baghdad that Iraqi police believe is one of three U.S. soldiers seized in an ambush nearly two weeks ago, officials said Wednesday.

"The military said seven soldiers and two Marines were killed in separate attacks Tuesday, bringing the U.S. death toll for the month to at least 80. Last month, 104 U.S. troops were killed in Iraq."

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/world/AP-Iraq.html?_r=1

Heartbreaking.

tolawdjk 7 years, 11 months ago

Its a chicken and egg, posessionannex. Was there a similar study given prior to the Iraq war? Hard to say if this is an exisiting condition of Islamic youth or something that is a result of the increased bloodshed.

And no, bringing Osama to justice will not magically end things. It will, however, show that America can complete what it set out to do and remove that largest, most well known head of the hydra.

2004 Bush made the following statement after Osama released the video calling out Bush and Kerry, showing that he was still alive and not just feeding pre-recorded tapes.

"Let me make this very clear: Americans will not be intimidated or influenced by an enemy of our : Let me make it clear, crystal clear: as Americans, we are absolutely united in our determination to hunt down and destroy Osama bin Laden and the terrorists. They are barbarians, and I will stop at absolutely nothing to hunt down, capture or kill the terrorists wherever they are, whatever it takes. Period."

"united in our determination to hunt down and destroy Osama bin Ladin". That was 2004. 2007 roles around and we are still no closer to hunting down and destroying him. Why? What tools are we lacking? The Commander in Chief has broad powers to wage war, why is our enemy still running around? From '39-'46 we managed to remove Hitler while simultaneously removing Imperial Japan from '41-'46. Are we not the same nation? Does the President not feel that this threat is on equal standing?

Reagan, argueably the greatest conservative President of all time, managed to thwart and dismantal Communism to the point where it is now an afterthought and footnote to history on the world stage using democracy, political will, the failures of his opponents, and his own iron will to do what he felt was right. This current administration can't even seem to decide what to have for lunch effectively.

Rex Russell 7 years, 11 months ago

As a not so common visitor to the "post a comment" it's a little bizzare to read most of the back and forth messages. It's a also a little disappointing to realize how deluded some people are. And that's on both sides of the spectrum. The fight between the far left and the far right pevents us from accomplishing anything productive. The powers at the top would like you idiots at each others necks and distacted while they do what they do day to day. Smart. I don't blame Mr. Bush personally. He's really not sharp enough to formulate that kind of plan. It's the people around him that run the show. Some undisputable facts have become clear in the past 6 years since the war started: 1. Iraq didn't have anything to do with 9-11, regardless of Presidential propaganda. 2. The Rupublicans in power questioned nothing this administration said or did. 3. The Democrats still have no testicular fortitude. Even when they got a vote of confidence in the last election (albeit a weak one) 4. There are many out there that think that loyalty to their political party is more important to loyalty to their country. That is the worst offense to date. Republican or Democratic party, these are false gods. We as citizens need to take back our power back from these parties. We're getting screwed from both ends.

fliesinyoureyes 7 years, 11 months ago

The U.S. needs to push harder for the Iraqi Oil reform that DOESN'T INCLUDE STRINGS FOR FOREIGN INVESTMENT.

There's no way anyone in the world will believe we are out for peace and not oil unless we, gasp, let the Iraqi's have their oil. I understand rebuilding the Iraqi infrastructure will require investment. But let the Iraqi's determine where that investment comes from.

This is the issue that's prolonging the Iraq war, IMO.

If we offered to protect the Iraqi oil refineries without demanding a huge cut, we would be seen as selfless and might actually inspire reform and spread a desire for peace between Arabs and the West. I would pay more taxes and cast extra votes for such a strategy. I know many will claim that is precisely what we are trying to do over there. But I've read many quotes where Iraqi's involved with drafting this legislation say that's not the case - that they can't get backing because of strings attached to U.S. corporate interest.

Btw, we also need to tell Israel "no more attacks on Gaza for the time being... we don't care if you've suffered a few rocket attacks- USE YOUR HEAD! Hamas is trying to unite gaza against you by tricking you into killing more civilians. Get your finger off the g-d button"

fliesinyoureyes 7 years, 11 months ago

posessionannex - yes I honestly profess a correlation that. It's like this- as long as the leaders of the factions believe there is reason to fight, they will convince their followers to perform suicide attacks.

It's not an extremist view to stand up to a West that is trying to steal your country's oil through occupation and forced legislation.

Or as Cpt. Nathan Hale said, "I only regret that I have but one life to lose for my country".

It is our job and ours alone to make this about democracy and freedom and not oil. We can blame the Iraqi gov't all we want, but that's not going get us anywhere. Neither is retreating. We have to finish the oil legislation and do it right. It is our moment of truth.

And yes I think the Israelis (no, not "blaming the joooos") need to be smarter. The reason Hammas launches rocket attacks is to draw the Israelis in and unite gaza to turn attention away from their own in-fighting. What does Olmert say in response? "We want them to know that we will respond with aggression". It's dumb. Explain why it's not just prolonging the endless cycle. Explain what the Israelis have to gain by doing this.

Or consider the Boston Massacre was started by the victims.

Jamesaust 7 years, 11 months ago

I believe these "talking points" are quite stale by now. The author forgets - the readers of this letter were "there" and know personally how these claims are either false or misleading.

What an amazing insult to readers' intelligence this author has written.

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