Letters to the Editor

Fanning flames

May 11, 2007

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To the editor:

Justifications for invading Iraq have all proved inaccurate, misleading and downright fabricated, so what's left for members of the nonreality-based community who, like our decider/commander guy, support staying the course, a.k.a. the surge?

"We're establishing a democracy in the Middle East."

That would be dandy had we gone about it in some manner other than leveling cities and creating ideal conditions for endless carnage. According to a new Iraq Center for Research and Strategic Studies poll, about 90 percent of Iraqis feel the situation in their country was better before the U.S.-led invasion than it is today.

"We're fighting them over there so we don't have to fight them over here."

According to a report by Save the Children, included among those we won't have to fight over here are the one in eight Iraqi children who died in 2005 of disease or violence before reaching their fifth birthdays. "We can still win" types should count the children in their families, neighborhoods and churches and then do the math.

The crimes and violations of the Geneva Conventions that have been inflicted upon Iraqi civilians by this "Greatest Nation on Earth" are beyond appalling, as is the devastation suffered by families of the now 3,378 U.S. troops killed in this "war on terror." It's terror all right. Be it stubborn incompetence or hidden, long-term agendas, our government chose to fight fire with accelerants. The damage is irreparable, and the fire is now harder than ever to put out.

Christy Kennedy,

Lawrence

Comments

Richard Heckler 8 years, 3 months ago

Over 600,000 dead Iraq people so it appears as though our President subscribes to the Saddam point of view which is not acceptable diplomacy. Iraq was in no position to attack the USA and did not attack the USA. Pre-emption obviously is a failed policy. The ability to carry on with these types of actions by a President of the USA needs to be reconsidered. There was never any evidence to support this attack.

http://nationalpriorities.org/index.php?option=com_wrapper&Itemid=182

http://www.globalpolicy.org/security/issues/iraq/reconstructindex.htm

http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,1681119,00.html

paladin 8 years, 3 months ago

The truths about Iraq will stand on their own merits. The thing is that THEY, Emperor George and his henchmen and, apparently, 28% of we the people, DO NOT CARE. They do not care about the truth, about us, about the Iraqi people, or anything or anybody other than the gorging and feeding of their ravenous and insatiable appetites for wealth and power and vainglorious self-love. This is, fundamentally, our greatest danger and our greatest threat, much more-so than phantom terrorists.

Jamesaust 8 years, 3 months ago

Goodness, the more stubborn W becomes the more shrill Christy becomes in her rhetoric.

christy kennedy 8 years, 3 months ago

Jamesaust,

Shrill? The civilian toll, and that one in eight children are dying before age 5 and that our government has a whole hell of a lot to do with it would make anyone with a heart, a working brain and conscious beyond livid, sick at heart, shrill -- call it what you want. Even if we had been provoked, even if we invaded for some valid reason, the civilian death toll and everyday suffering is immoral, illegal, and indefensible. How sad for you and yours that this type of suffering and injustice means so little to you. Do you actually have anything of merit to say?

Gary Sandell 8 years, 3 months ago

Christy-"Justifications for invading Iraq have all proved inaccurate, misleading and downright fabricated"

merrill-"The ability to carry on with these types of actions by a President of the USA needs to be reconsidered. There was never any evidence to support this attack."


Transcript: President Clinton explains Iraq strike (December 16, 1998) CLINTON:" Good evening. Earlier today, I ordered America's armed forces to strike military and security targets in Iraq. They are joined by British forces. Their mission is to attack Iraq's nuclear, chemical and biological weapons programs and its military capacity to threaten its neighbors. Their purpose is to protect the national interest of the United States, and indeed the interests of people throughout the Middle East and around the world. Saddam Hussein must not be allowed to threaten his neighbors or the world with nuclear arms, poison gas or biological weapons.... "


Where was your outrage in 1998?

mick 8 years, 3 months ago

It's too bad that the pols have us all focused on the occupation of Iraq. The real crisis is the invasion of this country from the South. 9,000 Americans are killed every year by illegal aliens. Look it up.What percentage of your tax dollar goes to support them? Why is this being allowed to happen? Two reasons- Republican greed and Democratic political correctness.

BigDog 8 years, 3 months ago

According to a report by Save the Children, included among those we won't have to fight over here are the one in eight Iraqi children who died in 2005 of disease or violence before reaching their fifth birthdays.


Read that carefully ..... the study does not say these deaths were caused by the United States. How many of those deaths were cause by terrorists with car bombs who don't care who they kill? And what diseases have we caused?

Another example of the "if something bad happened in Iraq it is the United States' fault" crowd.


Over 600,000 dead Iraqi people


First, this number has been nothing but an estimate. Take a look at the method they used for coming up with the number. Second, were these all killed by the United States, if I read how these numbers are quoted one would this so.

hmmmmmmm

Richard Heckler 8 years, 3 months ago

George W. Bush opened up the flood gates by going into Iraq against the advice of military advisors and others from the GHW Bush administration. The number of dead are a result of ,the invasion and the the Iraq people defending their country. George W. is the the military superpower in the country not the Iraq people. Saudi Arabia is also providing weapons to their Iraq faction of choice. The deaths are a result of an occupation based on lies to the world.

Jamesaust 8 years, 3 months ago

"Do you actually have anything of merit to say?"

Appropo perhaps as a response to this letter. You often have interesting points; you just insist on mixing them up with absurdities. (You know, there's a difference between opera and shrieking.)

So, to recap: 1. sanctions to prevent a brutal thug from aquiring weapons and inflicting bloody deprivations upon his neighbors and his people (including the only documented use of poison-gas as a weapon of war in half a century) is merciless to civilians and an international crime,

  1. force to remove the brutal thug and turn power over to the Iraqi people is merciless to civilians and an international crime - even more so if a minority of Iraqis wish to deprive the majority, target civilians for the most pitiful slaughter,

  2. therefore, the only moral and legal action is keep the brutal thug in power and remove all limitations upon him. Death is Life. Truth is Lie. Black is White.

Huh? Maybe this letter would be less obscene if it followed a pillorying of the real culprits - you know, someone other than the "Great Satan" (like maybe the "Little Satan"). Christy, did you hate America before you hated Bush, or did that come after? How is it that the U.S. is the progenitor of all earthly evil - was it always true or did it just start when the Republicans took over Congress?

George Bush is stupid. He's incompetent. He's a one-term President now well into a second term. Frankly, he deserves to be impeached.

He's not the Anti-Christ, however.

Jamesaust 8 years, 3 months ago

If people want to be upset about something, perhaps they should be upset that it took until May 2007 for a letter like this to be issued: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/nation/documents/petraeus_values_051007.pdf

Will W listen to the generals, at least this one? Will George Sr. be able to stop shedding tears of shame when speaking about Honor?

christy kennedy 8 years, 3 months ago

. . . Christy, did you hate America before you hated Bush, or did that come after? How is it that the U.S. is the progenitor of all earthly evil . . . George Bush is stupid. He's incompetent. He's a one-term President now well into a second term. Frankly, he deserves to be impeached.

Jamesaust,

As usual, you are contrary, predictable ,and funny. Thanks for the laugh, now try to focus.

". . . all Earthly evil" Please. My letter was about the large number of unnecessary casualties in Iraq (Iraqi citizens and US troops) that the Bush administration's foreign policy is directly responsible for. The "hate America" line is absurd and overused, only by O'Reilly types with nothing else to say. Hate what's happening? Yes. To innocent people and to this country. Some of us rather liked what we used to stand for here. Great country, Democracy, law and order, the Constitution, fairness, decency, world leader. . . . you know, stuff like that.

So you think Bush is "stupid," "incompetent" and "deserves to be impeached." Why do you persist in arguing with people who cite specifics that support that position?

Staci Dark Simpson 8 years, 3 months ago

RIght on Mick. I friend of mine was killed on Valentines day by an illegal driving w/o license not following common traffic laws. hello...red means stop in America, not hit the gas! And guess what he killed someone totally his fault and basicly got a slap on the hand. Whats wrong with that picture. THey probably have no idea where to find him since he has no id. Am I a little bitter? Probably because if it had been you or me our a$$es would be jail or would have stopped at the big, red octagon.

Jamesaust 8 years, 3 months ago

Christy, As usual, you are contrary, predictable ,and not nearly as funny as you seem to believe. Here, as we see again and again, you take perfectly reasonable positions and hype them to such absurdity that you undermine your position.

I don't know where you fall on the America-hating scale - whether you're closer to 'everything Americans touch turns to crap so they should just hide out at home' to 'America: spawn of Satan and the root cause of every counter-effort made by so-called terrorists' - and I don't care. I merely take umbrage that you turning away reasonable people from reasoned discussion, much like Bible-pounding haters turn people away from God. In the end your contribution is wholly negative: you persuade no one, you end rather than begin conversations, and no one learns a thing. GWB thanks you! You're a key reason why he never has say "I'm sorry" about anything.

Please, next month when its letter-writing time again, pick a narrow topic (there's so much to choose from - maybe the continuing failure of the U.S. to keep the Taliban down in Afghanistan), make your criticisms, avoid the hype, and maybe provide a specific alternative approach. But also please, in perhaps criticizing some civilians killed next to some Taliban hide out, please don't compare those persons' deaths to those from some brutal terrorists whose strategy is to kill for effect, to repress all who disagree, to terrorize any who choose a peaceful path - and for God's sake recognize exactly who is responding to whom.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 8 years, 3 months ago

Yea, come on, Christy, give us some mealy-mouthed pabulum that James can really respect.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 8 years, 3 months ago

"provide a specific alternative approach"

Here's a specific alternative-- not bombing the bejesus out of anything that moves as the first alternative.

Jamesaust 8 years, 3 months ago

Thanks. I had to consult my Bozo Dictionary to figure out "mealy-mouthed pabulum." That's defined as "useful approach grounded in provable facts and demonstrably valid relationships among them likely to produce concrete and desired results (must be avoided at all costs)."

As far as the 'bejesus' pabulum, I sure wish Bozo could actually go to Iraq where he would soon learn that the only people doing much 'bejesus bombing' are terrorists targeting civilians. But then Bozo, I'm quite certain, views our soldiers as 'bejesus bombing' war criminals and would never wish to be in their company.

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