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Retail stance divides field

Candidates see city shopping health at different levels

March 27, 2007

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Here's why Wal-Mart and other retailers matter inside the walls of City Hall: 42 percent.

That percentage represents how much the city relies on sales taxes to pay the bills at City Hall. Of the $54 million general fund the city has in 2007, it is projected that 42 percent of the revenues will come in the form of people paying sales taxes. That's nearly twice the amount the city collects in property taxes.

With dollars like that at stake, keeping the city's retail market healthy has become a key issue in the City Commission election. The issue also has divided the field of six candidates into two camps.

In one camp are Commissioners Boog Highberger, David Schauner and candidate Carey Maynard-Moody. They've been preaching caution when it comes to new retail development.

In the other camp are candidates James Bush, Rob Chestnut and Mike Dever, who have expressed concern that Lawrence is losing sales tax dollars to Topeka and Kansas City because the city doesn't offer enough shopping options to keep consumers in town. They have pointed to a 2005 study commissioned by the city that shows the community is losing shoppers to Topeka and Kansas City, and that the city's retail market is not close to being overbuilt.

The general election is April 3. Voters will determine the winners of three at-large seats on the commission.

Comments

Thats_messed_up 7 years ago

Here's a concept...people from all over Douglas county come to the Lawrence Lowes or the Lawrence Sams or the Lawrence Costco instead of going to the KC stores then after they spend $200-500 they go downtown to eat and have a beer and walk around and make a day of their shopping trip IN LAWRENCE! More tax dollars coming to Lawrence! DUHHHH!

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jafs 7 years ago

Zimmerman,

Thank you for pointing out the obvious bias and lack of good journalism at the JW.

I recommend the book "Wal-Mart: The Bully of Bentonville" by a respected Wall Street Journal journalist for those interested in how Wal-Mart does business and what the net effect of their presence is on a community.

His conclusion is that generally there is a net zero gain for their presence and supports that with a multitude of examples and clear analysis. The jobs lost/gained are balanced, as is the tax revenue.

Because of their huge size, Wal-Mart is able to keep their costs down by intimidating suppliers into lowering their costs, offering 35hr/wk part-time jobs with no benefits, etc.

In our system, there are supposed to be laws preventing companies from getting so large that they are impossible to compete with - why are these laws not being enforced?

While they espouse a sort of patriotic pro-America rhetoric, their suppliers are almost completely Chinese and overseas - now that China is becoming more powerful and perhaps a little bit more expensive, they are looking for even cheaper, less developed sources of supply.

Wal-Mart provides a large number of fairly decent goods at very reasonable prices, but that seems to me to be their only positive feature.

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Tom Shewmon 7 years ago

I know the Overland Park thing hurts, but I liked the "penguins clustering/shrinking iceberg" analogy more that anything. If ya'll can somehow, via the common sense leadership of Lawrence chuckling again crawl up to 100,000, you could at least be a candidate for the list.

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Jamesaust 7 years ago

right_thinker, you made me laugh with your list.

Of course, the list could also be a proxy of cities with large minority populations (a/k/a, "liberal") and those mostly white (a/k/a, "conservative). (Wow, Provo! There's got to be at least 2 black people there. Anchorage? A cesspool of illegal Mexicans. Colorado Springs? Isn't that where that gay prostitute loving, coke snorting minister had(!) his megachurch?)

Two notes: 1. I note that while Plano, Texas, and Arlington, Texas - both large suburbs of Dallas - are listed, Dallas is not. Could it be that the second largest Texas city synonymous with big oil and the likes of "J.R." voted 49% for John Kerry in 2004? Yet, who in their right (or right_thinker) mind would call Dallas anything but conservative - at least, really conservative?

  1. Doesn't Overland Park - conservative city #23 - have a Democrat Congressman who you regularly denounce as "liberal." Hmmm...makes me wonder if the conservative cities cut off around #22 and then remaining 300 municipalities with populations over 100,000 are all "liberal".
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zimmerman 7 years ago

I really have to say this. I am appalled by this article. No wait, to call it an article is to give it way too much credit. This is obviously an opinion piece diguised as a news article. Mr. Lawhorn shoud be ashamed and the Journal World should be embarrassed.
First off, he name drops Wal-Mart as being the reason why retail matters to City Hall. This leads the reader to believe that Wal-Mart is the main source of tax income in town. This is not true, but is also not surprising given that most of Mr. Lawhorn's stories dealing with Wal-Mart have definitely had a pro-Wal-Mart stance.
Next, he shows two groups and their respective ideas on economic growth. However, he only gives the facts for one side of the argument. This is very bad journalism. If this weren't an opinion piece, then the reporter might actually site the long list of facts that are causing Highberger, Schauner, and Maynard-Moody to come to their conclusions. The reason these people don't feel Lawrence should keep developing at the pace that it is, is that currently our retail development is growing faster than the amount of retail dollars spent in the town-- this can be seen from census data-- not to mention the traffic boosts, the tax money spent on water lines and electricity, and the crumbling infrastructure which overdevelopment has caused.
Also, look at the wording in the piece. Mr. Lawhorn describes the retail tax dollars as "being at stake", as if there is some insuing danger that we might loose these tax dollars if one group goes in and another doesn't. However, there hasn't been much debate over the chance of losing current tax money generated by retail. The debate is centered on development, or how new business might affect the town. In other words you can't really lose something you never had.
Also, he describes one group as "preaching" and the other group as having "expressed concern".
This type of language and a lack of important facts obviously tries to finger one group as the crazy radicals that will cause the town to lose all of its retail taxes and the other as the calm, rational thinkers, that have facts on their side.
Now, I obviously have an opinion on retail issues in Lawrence, but this post is not placed in the newspaper as an unbiased news article. I would hope that Mr. Lawhorn will at least try and explain the reasoning behind why BOTH sides have come to their conclusions. Perhaps an interview or at least a tiny amount investigative journalism might bring this information to light. If not, maybe the next piece should go in the opinion page.

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Godot 7 years ago

merrill wrote: "Do ciitizens really want Wal-Mart to build another grocery store in the 6th&Wakie area if Dillons or HyVee go out of business as a result? "

FINALLY. It has taken so long, but it is so worth it, to see the self appointed blogger of the PLC to admit the real reason for the opposition to the Walmart of West Lawrence: the Merc cannot withstand the competition.

Mentioning Dillons and Hy-Vee, which are not even locally owned, is a smoke screen.

Hey, Merrill, why not demand the city impose an "unfair competition" tariff on any goods sold at Walmart, the proceeds of which would go to raise the salaries at the Merc to the "living wage."

By the way, does the Merc provide free health insurance to all of its employees, part time as well as full time?

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Tom Shewmon 7 years ago

Sure, here you go. You guys are really captivated by my stuff, it's OK.

I liked this comment--- still getting a chuckle out of it:

"BACVR researchers found a direct correlation between a city's political ideology and its racial makeup. "The great political divide in America today is not red vs. blue, north vs. south, costal vs. interior or even rich vs. poor it is now clearly black vs. white," said Phil Reiff, a BACVR director.

"While there are a few liberal cities without large African American populations, these wind up being the exceptions. College towns like Berkeley and Cambridge have modest black populations but remain bastions of upper middle-class, white, intellectual liberalism. These liberal white communities, however, are more reminiscent of penguins clustering together around a shrinking iceberg than of a vibrant and growing political movement," Reiff said."

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1461517/posts

I want to help---I'm your LJW neighbor afterall.

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blackwalnut 7 years ago

Having lived in several of those cities, I question that list. Source? Based on what criteria?

Not that it matters. What was the point???

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shadower 7 years ago

Curious, rightwinger? Was that a reasonable list compiled by respectable organizations or just one of your normal rants? If you have source, please post link.

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just_throw_bozo_from_this_bus 7 years ago

San Franciso relegated to 9th, impossible!

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Tom Shewmon 7 years ago

Hey, how many of you far-out cats drive to OP every day to work (at least they got on the list)?

You better get crackin' Bozo--you're not on the liberal list.....what's the DEAL? Little Blue Island?

America's 25 Most Liberal Cities (in descending order) 1 Detroit Michigan 2 Gary Indiana 3 Berkeley California 4 Washington, D.C. 5 Oakland California 6 Inglewood California 7 Newark New Jersey 8 Cambridge Massachusetts 9 San Francisco California 10 Flint Michigan 11 Cleveland Ohio 12 Hartford Connecticut 13 Paterson New Jersey 14 Baltimore Maryland 15 New Haven Connecticut 16 Seattle Washington 17 Chicago Illinois 18 Philadelphia Pennsylvania 19 Birmingham Alabama 20 St. Louis Missouri 21 New York New York 22 Providence Rhode Island 23 Minneapolis Minnesota 24 Boston Massachusetts 25 Buffalo New York

America's 25 Most Conservative Cities (in descending order) 1 Provo Utah 2 Lubbock Texas 3 Abilene Texas 4 Hialeah Florida 5 Plano Texas 6 Colorado Springs Colorado 7 Gilbert Arizona 8 Bakersfield California 9 Lafayette Louisiana 10 Orange California 11 Escondido California 12 Allentown Pennsylvania 13 Mesa Arizona 14 Arlington Texas 15 Peoria Arizona 16 Cape Coral Florida 17 Garden Grove California 18 Simi Valley California 19 Corona California 20 Clearwater Florida 21 West Valley City Utah 22 Oklahoma City Oklahoma 23 Overland Park Kansas 24 Anchorage Alaska 25 Huntington Beach California

You guys really are the best!

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Tom Shewmon 7 years ago

I really think Lawrence otta follow Bozos lead. He is really onto something here, breathe some life back into some good old fashion Socialist values and get Lawrence up to speed once and for all!

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hawkperchedatriverfront 7 years ago

Orgasmic nursery? Merrill,,,what the heck is that? The 'hawk' has some investors. The rocks...ah, they will come from the public library when it its bulldozed. 6th and Wak would be better served by a big box, naughty AND nice, drive up. this town needs the brain back if they want sales tax to increase. BRAIN returned for REWARD...call Corliss about the reward.

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Richard Heckler 7 years ago

The entire organic nursery would be surrounded by beautiful rocky landscape scenes that would sell the merchandise.

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Richard Heckler 7 years ago

458 casul,

I bought the land as an investment and just because Wal-Mart should not be there is no indication that I will lose money. I will cut a deal with the Nature Conservacy and get my 100,000k back in an annuity over time after recreating a nature park and maybe get some tax relief in the process.

Or I could set up a organic gardening supply headquarters to include plants/trees started and grown in organic planting mediums. An organic nursery would make tons of money at that intersection. Please pass this on to Bill Newsome and Doug Compton.

It would be far more beautiful than a Wal-Mart!

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Tom Shewmon 7 years ago

Those are some good ideas, bozo. Not new, but good.

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Michael Capra 7 years ago

perfect pay 11 milion and its all yours they spent more on studys and roundabouts perfect lets do it

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just_throw_bozo_from_this_bus 7 years ago

I think Merrill may have something there. The free market economy is no good. Instead, let's follow the lead of Hugo Chavez and do the reverse. Take from the rich and give to the poor. Lawrence could confiscate the land from 6-Wak. What a great farmer's market we could make. Add some free housing for the homeless and there would still be room for a library.

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Tom Shewmon 7 years ago

Hey ya'll listen up!! I'm going to do my part and cut my retail ties to Lawrence to the bare minumum.

If you guys would use my money more wisely, I may start spending some money over your way.

You guys are all top-notch!

Thanks for reading my post.

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Michael Capra 7 years ago

VOTE DEVER,CHESTNUT,BUSH

have a great day

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Michael Capra 7 years ago

I knew MERRILL WOULD NOT GET IT you still owe the bank how will you pay now that you dont have biz,spend more money that you dont have on studys you my son are just riding the short bus the rest of your life and you know what no one will care so stay poor and go bankrupt

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Richard Heckler 7 years ago

Do ciitizens really want Wal-Mart to build another grocery store in the 6th&Wakie area if Dillons or HyVee go out of business as a result? This would produce no net gain in jobs or tax revenue for our city. These stores put their money at risk long before hundreds and hundreds of homes became the order of the day. Don't other small business owners in the 6th and Wakarusa area deserve some respect for filling in spaces, generating revenue and providing employment?

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bearded_gnome 7 years ago

Merrill said: "Art Fairs bring people to town that spend money so let's close off Mass Street 4 or 5 times a year and promote art shows that which Lawrence is known. The Plaza shouts down several blocks yet people manage. Just one idea. "

LMAO...falling off chair!
... okay, trying to recover...

whew! funniest thing posted on these forums in months! close off mass st. wow, that really helps the businesses already located there!

these do not bring that much money to the city's economy.

whew. okay...if I read it again...I'll have trouble concentrating...no not reading...not looking.

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Pilgrim 7 years ago

Posted by merrill (anonymous) on March 27, 2007 at 12:56 p.m.

Specific projects should be accompanied with independent Retail Impact Studies,Economic Impact studies,Traffic Impact Studies etc etc. For any candidate to not respect these tools in order to make decisions of substance is simply irresponsible.


Well, at least Richard is fully emersed in Lawrence governmental tradition: Spend more money on another study, drag out the decision-making process as long as possible, and hope the interloper gets frustrated and goes away.

(Big sigh)

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Pilgrim 7 years ago

Posted by merrill (anonymous) on March 27, 2007 at 12:52 p.m.

New retail is suppose to create NEW ADDITIONAL revenue and NEW ADDITIONAL employment for a community NOT merely spread current retail dollars to the point where nothing NEW or ADDITIONAL is realized. Certainly it is not to replace existing retail for nothing is gained.


In other words, Richard is against competition. Every time a new coffee shop opens up, it has the potential to take business away from the other coffee shops in town. So Richard's solution is to deny the new business owner the opportunity to risk his capital. Welcome to Lawrence. The answer is NO!

BTW, I wonder how Richard will feel when a new lawn mowing service moves to town. Will he want to ban that, too?

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Pilgrim 7 years ago

Posted by samsnewplace (anonymous) on March 27, 2007 at 9:37 a.m.

I can't afford downtown shopping like City Hall wants everyone to do, so it has to be affordable because I do work in Lawrence not Kansas City after all.


Welcome to that not-so-exclusive club.

Bring back K-Mart...


It's already here. It's called Sears.

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Richard Heckler 7 years ago

I am not out my 100k because I still own the land which is still an excellent and safe investment. Just because speculators purchase property does not guarantee that construction will be allowed for it is NOT the duty of the taxpayer or local government to maximize profits for us speculators. Speculating=gambling. Land speculators such as myself know these things.

Bad planning not regulation has created retail vacancy problems. Studies were not done thus many vacant spaces. Also the cost of real estate & doing business in Lawrence must have some impact and that has nothing to do with city commissioners unless of course they are connected to the real estate business community.

It is likely when the New Urbanism retail center opens up at the 6th and Wakie area it will take time to fill the space and/or create empty space elsewhere. There are only so many retail dollars in Lawrence,Kansas. Why build another retail center at K-10 when the New Urbanism is not yet off the ground?

Considering 12,000 - 15,000 commute to Topeka and Kansas City is it any wonder why Lawrence retail dollars show up in the Topeka & KC metro area? That is consistent with a commuting population.

Like it or not Lawrence is part of that retail market which surrounds our town. Frankly if we cannot find something in Lawrence we are OK with a drive to KCMO metro once in a while. A lack of shopping centers in Lawrence was a primary factor in our decision to locate here. As stated before we knew a drive to KCMO metro once in a while would be the order of the day which may also include a first Friday with dinner and a drink = fun.

Art Fairs bring people to town that spend money so let's close off Mass Street 4 or 5 times a year and promote art shows that which Lawrence is known. The Plaza shouts down several blocks yet people manage. Just one idea.

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Michael Capra 7 years ago

ok MERRILL lets try one more time.Merrill buys land for 100.000 and you plan to put up biz there comish changes zoning on you now you cant do what you planed to do now your out 100 grand and now you want to kill the three commisioners that did this to you.Then you go to jail and dont have to pay 100 grand back,or you sue them spend 500 grand and get to put biz up. Times all of this buy a 100 and now can you see

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Richard Heckler 7 years ago

42% will not be the net from both stores because a 2nd store will take revenue from the existing store which is said to be the largest in the state of Kansas according to a former employee.

THE FREE MARKET IS SOCIALISM FOR THE RICH. The public pays the costs and the rich get the benefit-markets for the poor and plenty of state protection for the rich.

There is no such thing as a "free market." Never has been. Never will be. In fact, the government has always interceded in the economy, most consistently on the side of large corporations against the interests of the majority of American citizens. The important question, then, is not whether or not the government should intercede in the economy, but, rather, on whose behalf they should act and toward what end.

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Richard Heckler 7 years ago

"Not so. Most new retail just runs old, inefficient, consumer-unfriendly retail out of business."

Maybe....maybe not. If addtional revenue is not realized then what has been accomplished? One new business comes in some others go out = no net gain and no tax relief. However additional cost of community services has been incurred to be paid by the taxpayer.

==================================== The biggest problem for Wal- Mart is they do have a pattern of putting others out of business. Locally another big problem for Wal-Mart was a petition from some 400 residents in the neighborhood who do not want the Wal- Mart at that location not to mention it was in violation of code. Personally I am making a statement by not shopping Wal-Mart because as an employer they stink,employees need social services to survive and everything Wal-Mart is NOT a huge bargain.

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Jamesaust 7 years ago

"New retail is suppose to create NEW ADDITIONAL revenue and NEW ADDITIONAL employment for a community..."

Not so. Most new retail just runs old, inefficient, consumer-unfriendly retail out of business. The Soviet Union provided an excellent example of what happens when all-powerful government decides what the people "need".

BTW, merrill - its been determined its best for "the people" that you may only buy your shoes at Weaver's on Mass. Its been determined that sufficient retail opportunities exist for you there. It has been determined that the price, availability and service offered there are optimal. You will be issued a Rundle-coupon for one pair with nominal value of $20. Note: it is a criminal act to use any other form of payment in excess of this amount or to buy more than one pair. This is the only pair you are allowed for 2007. You are not, of course, required to buy there (it is still a quasi-free country) but please keep in mind that if you don't buy there than you are obligated to go barefoot (watch those mower blades).

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Richard Heckler 7 years ago

Specific projects should be accompanied with independent Retail Impact Studies,Economic Impact studies,Traffic Impact Studies etc etc. For any candidate to not respect these tools in order to make decisions of substance is simply irresponsible.

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Richard Heckler 7 years ago

Just because speculators purchase property does not guarantee that construction will be allowed for it is NOT the duty of the taxpayer or local government to maximize profits for speculators. Speculating=gambling. Land speculators know these things.

New retail is suppose to create NEW ADDITIONAL revenue and NEW ADDITIONAL employment for a community NOT merely spread current retail dollars to the point where nothing NEW or ADDITIONAL is realized. Certainly it is not to replace existing retail for nothing is gained. Otherwise taxpayers realize TAX INCREASES to cover the cost of additional demand on community services.

Specific projects should be accompanied with independent Retail Impact Studies,Economic Impact studies,Traffic Impact Studies etc etc.

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tony88 7 years ago

of course dambudzo, but we cannot say generate 150% of our general fund from sales tax.

point being, the 42% is well above a poor retail market; percentages and shear quantities are different... contrary to conservative accouting methods...

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Jamesaust 7 years ago

Q: "Do we really NEED another pharmacy?" A: Obviously so seeing that one is being built.

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Dambudzo 7 years ago

It seems to me the more sales one has the more sales tax you'll collect.

On the other hand, using liberal accounting methods this may not be the case.

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tony88 7 years ago

doesn't that 42% indicate that our local retail market is already a healthy generator of city funds?

does anybody know where to find out how much of their general fund other cities generate from sales tax?

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MyName 7 years ago

How come when we go to Sears or JC Penny we are the only ones in the store?

I have no idea. What time and day do you usually shop there? When I've been to Penny's (which is usually on a Sat. or Sun. afternoon) there seem to be enough people. Besides, it's not always the numbers of people but the amount of stuff they buy. I don't go there more than a few times a year, but I usually buy alot of stuff when I do go there.

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commuter 7 years ago

Don't we have have 4 Dillons.

2 on 6th street 1 on 23rd street 1 on Mass

Isn't that too many grocercy stores too?

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blackwalnut 7 years ago

Meatwad: I agree about the too many chain pharmacies. I switched everything to Round Corner at 8th/Mass and love doing business there. It makes a huge difference in service when the guy who owns the store is on the premises. And the cost is exactly the same.

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blackwalnut 7 years ago

Posted by offtotheright (anonymous) on March 27, 2007 at 9:23 a.m. "Hate to break it to you, but yes, the walmart in Olathe is 10 times better than the Lawrence walmart, they also have better prices!"

To offtothetheright: Why is that true? Could it be because the Kansas City area has a LOT of competition for Wal-Mart? That they have a Costco and a bunch of similar stores that force Wal-Mart to compete?

Competition is good. Letting Wal-Mart drive off all their competition in Lawrence would be bad.

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couranna1 7 years ago

Kansas City is a better place to shop It has more variety and there is more to do after. Much better to take the kids up there for a day

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fletch 7 years ago

"retail is desperately needed in this town"

Please elaborate. You've got your choice of a few dozen big box retailers and every store you'd find in a mall. You've got numerous car dealerships. You've got hundreds of restaurants and bars. You've got hundreds of locally owned shops that sell items across the spectrum. What retail opportunities are missing from Lawrence?

The only field I see is high end consumer goods (Pottery Barn, Banana Republic, etc), but those are supposedly coming to the New Urbanism development on 6th at the east end of town.

So what development is really being blocked? Walmart? We already have one. New Walmarts don't bring in new revenue. They shift revenue from one source to another.

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Meatwad 7 years ago

Blackwalnut said, "By what logic would a Wal-Mart #2 keep retail dollars in Lawrence? Does anyone truly believe Lawrencians are driving to Overland Park to shop at a Wal-Mart?"

Also, by what logic does CVS (i.e. Walgreens #3) keep retail dollars in Lawrence?? Do we really NEED another pharmacy?? We have 2 Hyvee, 3 Dillons, Target Pharmacy, Walmart Pharmacy and several independently owned pharmacies. (CVS is being built now at the corner of 23rd and Iowa)

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hawkperchedatriverfront 7 years ago

Another forum with what a 100 people? On top of that that candidates all had their own timekeepers. So deduct the candidates, the time keepers, the spouses, the news staff. NO ONE came!

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lunacydetector 7 years ago

retail is desperately needed in this town. it is too bad the people in charge only care about the downtown.

how about convenient places to shop that are close to where people live? isn't that a smart growth idea? instead of a park every half mile, how about a place to shop? too bad there are too many people drinking the kool aid at city hall.

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lelly 7 years ago

Why was this article written? Golly, could it be more obvious what the LJW wants us to think?

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Jamesaust 7 years ago

"...there are upscale shops in our downtown area with a large selection of items found in the mentioned department stores at comparable prices."

Still laughing about this one.

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Godot 7 years ago

IMHO, the real reason some folk do not want another Walmart in town is because it will most likely attract more retail, as it does in other growing cities. The problem is, it probably will not attract more retail to downtown.

There is more to this town than the small area from 6th to 11th on Vermont, Mass and New Hampshire.

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altarego 7 years ago

How come when we go to Sears or JC Penny we are the only ones in the store? Is there some tax reason these compnaies are running losses for years on end? I doubt they even pay the light bill off revenues at Sears.

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Godot 7 years ago

"According to many studies, Wal-Mart generally puts other local businesses out of business, and so the sales are not new, but rather redistributed."

Is that why there isn't any place to shop in Olathe?

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opinion 7 years ago

I am not sure but I believe if you block Wal-Mart, you block all similar stores. You would not be able to say not Wal-Mart but yes to Costco or Kmart. That is probably why it is rather silly to say "why don't we bring in so and so?." We don't say who we want and then they show up. THEY choose based on THEIR business plan and most of those plans don't like highly restrictive cities.

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jafs 7 years ago

The important point above should be stated again - the sales generated by a second Wal-Mart would have to be NEW sales.

According to many studies, Wal-Mart generally puts other local businesses out of business, and so the sales are not new, but rather redistributed.

If this is the case, then they will not generate new revenue, and certainly should not be subsidized by taxpayers.

This is without even considering the many other issues involved with Wal-Mart.

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samsnewplace 7 years ago

I hate shopping at Wal-Mart, I loved K-Mart, similar stores you might think but oh so different. I think K-Mart had better quality and more variety whereas i've always hated Wal-Mart's parking lot......who in the world invented it was not using it that is for sure. My choice now is Target but would like more choices, so therefore I shop in Topeka. I can't afford downtown shopping like City Hall wants everyone to do, so it has to be affordable because I do work in Lawrence not Kansas City after all. Bring back K-Mart and add more variety to Target and you might have a winner for the lower incomes in town.

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offtotheright 7 years ago

Hate to break it to you, but yes, the walmart in Olathe is 10 times better than the Lawrence walmart, they also have better prices!

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Cindy Wallace 7 years ago

I agree with "blackwalnut". I seriously doubt that those shopping in Kansas City are travelling to shop at Wal-mart. Thus, building a second Wal-mart will create minimal additional Sales Tax revenue, if any.

However, I don't believe that Lawrence needs an upscale Department Store such as a Macy's or Nordstrom, as there are upscale shops in our downtown area with a large selection of items found in the mentioned department stores at comparable prices.

What Lawrence would likely benefit most from is a Costco or Sam's Club.

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cool 7 years ago

i don't think that this should be the main topic of how we pick a commissioner.

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blackwalnut 7 years ago

By what logic would a Wal-Mart #2 keep retail dollars in Lawrence?

Does anyone truly believe Lawrencians are driving to Overland Park to shop at a Wal-Mart?

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Godot 7 years ago

Let there be more retail, and put it where the shoppers are.

And, Blackwalnut, your signs were probably just borrowed by another GRA supporter. Maybe the good ship H-S-M ran out of sign money. Mi casa, su casa, right?

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offtotheright 7 years ago

I do most of my shopping in Overland Park where there are actually choices, unlike Lawrence!

I mean really, walmart and target have great toilettries, but thats about it.

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JohnBrown 7 years ago

LJW: fair and balanced news.

24 words to introduce and describe one set of candidates. 77 words for the candidates LJW supports. PLUS, the topic (sales taxes) is presented in vacuum.

So, if Wal-Mart gets built, and the heavier traffic requires $25 million in 6th St. and 6th & Wakarusa upgrades, then Wal-Mart will have to generate $416 million in NEW sales to generate the sales taxes to pay for it. Anything less is a taxpayer subsidy to Compton's business plan.

That's NEW sales, not sales taken from competing retailers.

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blackwalnut 7 years ago

We need another department store, like a Macy's or Nordstrom's. I'd like another grocery store, like an Albertson's. A Costco would be a great addition to Lawrence.

What we do NOT need is a #2 of any existing store. We need competition and variety.

OT: My Highberger, Maynard-Moody and Schauner signs were stolen from my yard. What gives?

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Michael Capra 7 years ago

acording to Moody,Boog,Schauner the camp slogan is WELCOME TO LAWRENCE KS THE ANSWER IS NO

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Michael Capra 7 years ago

What not posting on this one Merrill 42 percent and they say no to biz thats why tour taxes are going up

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