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Female teacher charged with taking aggravated indecent liberties with a minor

March 19, 2007

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A female teacher in her first year at Lawrence High School was suspended today after being charged with aggravated indecent liberties with a minor, a school district official said today.

Bruce Passman, Lawrence's deputy superintendent, said that, in accordance with school board policy, the district has suspended the teacher, pending an investigation.

Although Passman identified the teacher, it is the Journal-World's policy not to name persons charged with sex crimes unless there is a conviction.

"Appropriate action will be taken, pending the outcome of the investigation," Passman said. "It's a personnel matter, so confidentiality prohibits us from providing additional information at this time."

The suspect was booked into Douglas County Jail Friday. As of this morning she had been released.

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Flap Doodle 7 years ago

And once again, yellowhouse drags his dead horse into another unrelated thread.

And

once

again

,

Marion

goes

to

his

favorite

tactic

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name

calling

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shouting

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Agnostick 7 years ago

bearded_gnome dissin' The Marion?

Now THAT'S funny!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Agnostick agnostick@excite.com http://www.uscentrist.org

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Marion Lynn 7 years ago

Bearded_garden_creature:

I only did what ANY of you could have done which was to call the Clerk Of The District Court to find the name and the charges.

Four counts of Indecent Liberties With A Minor.

Jeezzzzzzzzzzzzuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuusssssssssss!!!!!!

It's PUBLIC RECORD, STUPID!

Egads!

Thanks.

Marion.

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jayhawk20 7 years ago

Idiot feminist vegetarian Lawrence Papa Nazi's. So damn sensative when making a joke about a female teacher. Lighten up a little and eat meat.

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OldEnuf2BYurDad 7 years ago

Poor girl. She's ruined.

No more teaching for her, regardless of the outcome. Its really not "funny" at all, if you think about it. How'd YOU like to be in her shoes? With the old double-standard being what it is...

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yellowhouse 7 years ago

+ + I hope her investigation goes faster than the Yellow House Investigation that is ongoing since 2005, how are you supposed to put your life back together when it goes

on and on and on? lie after lie told to the media? no no no

Ruining the Yellow House business and reputation, taking their merchandise and not logging it into evidence, no charges just ongoing investigation .... forever forever forever no end! a never ending story!

HELP! I THINK I AM GOING CRAZY!

http://www.forums.larryville.com/viewtopic.php?t=24826 *

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Fred Whitehead Jr. 7 years ago

Although Passman identified the teacher, it is the Journal-World's policy not to name persons charged with sex crimes unless there is a conviction.

THIS IS A CROCK! THERE HAVE BEEN PERSONS IDENTIFIED IN THIS PAPER WHEN THEY HAVE BEEN CHARGED BUT NOT TRIED YET. I KNOW!!

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bearded_gnome 7 years ago

I also find it just so darned funny when lil ol' Marioni corrects some one else's grammar/spelling.

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bearded_gnome 7 years ago

the nature of the relationship may have caused the teen to become suicidal...ever think of that?

too quick to judge either of them!


on KLWN/news this afternoon I thought I heard it reported that she was also charged with sodomy. if so, this sounds stranger and stranger.


those who don't know Marion/mamrion/marioni/etc., he imagines himself about the status of a superhero...biosolidsman if you like...he thinks himself a real ladykiller, super manly, and an expert on everything that comes up in discussion.

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ljwatcher 7 years ago

Meredith L. Kane, 24, was charged with two counts of aggravated indecent liberties with a child and two counts of sodomy. Kane was arrested in Lawrence.

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weirdalfan27 7 years ago

According to KMBC 9 news, the alleged incidents dated back to August 2006. Since that's at the very beginning of the school year, perhaps the student making the accusations isn't even an LHS student. Perhaps she met this student during student teaching or somewhere other than school?

http://www.thekansascitychannel.com/news/11299183/detail.html

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Pywacket 7 years ago

Several are concerned (rightly) that we not have a public conviction at this point... but I'd also say--don't go too far the other way and assume an acquittal/false charge.

In the interests of standing up for the teacher's right to due process, is it really necessary, edgeofbaldwin, to malign and trash the student? Thanks to you, anyone who knew who was involved (but not anything else) now has the further "knowledge" of his precarious emotional and mental state. If the "suicidal" comment is even true, don't you feel proud of yourself for spreading THAT detail around. I'm sure it's something he wants the entire community to know. Way to kick a troubled kid when he's down, edgeofcluelessness.

As for the others who are questioning the veracity of the accusations (and, again, making snide comments about the student and the honesty of ALL teens), do you even know whether the teacher is denying the accusations? I didn't see the news tonight (cable was out), so maybe that question is answered...

But it seems to me that if she is NOT denying it, then it's a little premature to assume the boy is lying. She could come up with any number of defenses, denial being only one possibility.

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hawkperchedatriverfront 7 years ago

hackmano...you missed the point. The school district needs a program whereby you sign up for high school no matter what age and pay a fee to go...if there are some hot babes there who want to have a get go with a student....

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hawkperchedatriverfront 7 years ago

Blame the kid. Now we have a new campaign issue for school board members...Spend more money to have a facility for horny manipulative students. Does this teacher speak english..could the teacher not go before the school board and explain that she had a horny manipulative teen ager in the classroom..Baloney...the teacher knew what she was doing as well as the kid.

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Rachael Sudlow 7 years ago

The kid was suicidal, manipulative and has been a problem for this teacher since she came to LHS....I sympathize with her, as I know the school district was not being helpful during a number of situations this fall. I hope they look at it from all sides.

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George_Braziller 7 years ago

Marion biosolids are your constant 187,346 postings per day. Do your hands drag when you walk? Oh wait, I should have remembered, you have to lift them up once in a while to open another bottle.

Posted by Marion (Marion Lynn) on March 19, 2007 at 4:54 p.m. (Suggest removal)

snap:

When dogs or cats "download" biosolids that is usually an indication that they have special nutritional requirements and may require supplements.

The same may apply to humans, assuming that you are human and not merely a well trained anthropoid.

I'd check it out were I you.

Thanks.

Marion.

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hawkperchedatriverfront 7 years ago

someone suggested the student was a troubled child...."child?"...really now.....troubled...really now...horny yes! troubled not likely...so now we will have grief counseling for everyone at the high school so they can morn the poor boy's losing his virginity ... oh the poor troubled boy....call in Mary Loveland to set up a new program for troubled horny makes at LHS..never at Free State..hahahaha

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Sigmund 7 years ago

crazyks, I totally agree. Part of this nonsense is furthered by the belief that children and women never lie about being sexually assaulted. People are willing to believe their "truisms", despite obvious truth to the contrary and even their own experiences, if it supports their ideology.

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Linda Endicott 7 years ago

"it is the Journal-World's policy not to name persons charged with sex crimes unless there is a conviction."

Since when? Didn't they plaster the name of the guy accused of spreading HIV/AIDS to others all over their pages, long before his trial even started?

It's been on the news on TV now, even the national news, and her name was mentioned; yes, it was a female teacher.

Other than that, I don't know much about it.

Again, it seems that all it takes for the morality police to scream "pervert" is an accusation. We could wait until the results of the trial, but then, you won't necessarily know the truth even then. Our entire society is geared to always believe the word of the student.

Even though we know that teenagers lie all the time, about lots of things. Everyone will still believe the student over the teacher.

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Sigmund 7 years ago

I approve of the LJW policy of not releasing the names of those accused until trial, not everyone does. I have no idea if this female teacher is guilty. I do know that if the article had not specified the sex of the teacher most people would assume a male teacher female student because those type incidents confirm most peoples prejudices. I would bet that most of the posters would DEMAND the male teachers name be published in the interest of "public safety." I guess no one feels unsafe when a female teacher takes aggravated indecent liberties with one of her students.

Meh

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correctinfo 7 years ago

I third Opinion and Ihatejohntravolta. Leave the person alone. You DON'T know the whole story, and there has been no conviction. Let her have her privacy. I hope every comment referencing where you can find her is removed off this site. This seems like a form of online harassment or abuse.

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Sigmund 7 years ago

Interestingly brother, sister, half-brother, half-sister, uncle, aunt, nephew or niece if over 16 can engage in sexual relations without penalty until one reaches 18, then incest. To say that Kansas Law is a patchwork with many loopholes and gotcha's would not be a over statement. Forget sex ed in the schools, they should be teaching criminal law.

http://www.kslegislature.org/legsrv-statutes/getStatute.do?number=11686 21-3602. Incest. Incest is marriage to or engaging in otherwise lawful sexual intercourse or sodomy, as defined by K.S.A. 21-3501 and amendments thereto, with a person who is 18 or more years of age and who is known to the offender to be related to the offender as any of the following biological relatives: parent, child, grandparent of any degree, grandchild of any degree, brother, sister, half-brother, half-sister, uncle, aunt, nephew or niece.

Incest is a severity level 10, person felony.

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Jamesaust 7 years ago

The difference between "indecent liberties" [K.S.A. 21-3503] and "aggravated indecent liberties" [K.S.A. 21-3504] is mainly one of context.

"Aggravated" covers intercourse itself, OR touching/soliciting, under age 14, OR non-consensual "indecent liberties," age 14-16.

'Ordinary' "indecent liberties" is limited to only 14-16 year olds and only touching or soliciting. In other words, its not 'ordinary' "indecent liberties if: (a) under 14, which by law is always considered non-consenual, (b) 14-16 old without the child's consent, or (c) for any minor under 16 that includes any intercourse.

All are felonies - they just carry different sentencing categories. All will also get you fired as a teacher. And in many states, will make you a lifetime "sex offender" (if convicted).

As noted, the law (although not school employment policy) stears clear of those over 16 years of age, who are presumed - from the view of the CRIMINAL law - to be of sufficient age to consent, i.e. to form a rational choice for their actions and of sufficient age to accept any resulting consequences. (All the more reason why honest and frank sex ed is important, especially for high school students.)

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cool 7 years ago

i wonder if she is married to a preacher ?

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hockmano 7 years ago

Someone asked how old can you be and still be in high school. I believe in Lawrence until the age of 21. Which is way too old. If you are old enough to drink you need to be somewhere else.

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hockmano 7 years ago

Well, channel 5 is about to show it on the news so I am sure they will tell who she is.

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take_off_hoser 7 years ago

This comment was removed by the site staff for violation of the usage agreement.

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Marion Lynn 7 years ago

snap:

When dogs or cats "download" biosolids that is usually an indication that they have special nutritional requirements and may require supplements.

The same may apply to humans, assuming that you are human and not merely a well trained anthropoid.

I'd check it out were I you.

Thanks.

Marion.

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Pywacket 7 years ago

Excellent point, Opinion! In that spirit, I would like to emphasize that my comments were made in general--I know nothing about this particular situation.

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Flap Doodle 7 years ago

Whenever

I

see

Marion

correcting

someone

else's

spelling

I

laugh

so

hard

that

I

almost

download

a

biosolid

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prospector 7 years ago

Counting, right, bankrupt more than once.

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promitida 7 years ago

The Lawrence High School's newspaper the Budget (available online in PDF format through the Lawrence high website) tends to have a list and pictures of the new staff members every year. wink wink Go look it up instead of trying to figure out stupid riddles.

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prospector 7 years ago

To which I give one of your faves.

Bite me

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Flap Doodle 7 years ago

Marion

,

who

is

a

legend

in

his

own

mind

.

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Marion Lynn 7 years ago

Well, I see that "Prospector" is on a roll!

Types "later"(sic) when he means "latter", "not"(sic) when he means "naught" and cannot count.

Thanks.

Marion.

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prospector 7 years ago

00jester

My bad, I see you are very new here. LJW banned Enforcer last spring after coming on this forum slamming a school administator that received a DUI with over 250 rants, rages, and generally scary stuff. She admitted to being the woman in court over a pitbull that the city will not give back to her, can't spell her way out of Jr. high and acted like she was still there. It returned several times and the spelling always gave her away. Very scary and sad really. Urban legend is she stills lurks or is Marion. I doubt the later.

It is in his honour (he likes words like that) I am spacing. If you don't know, he is the book writing, PAC (of one) forming, dislexic, former double-not spy, pimp of websites,cig smoking, conqueror of women, bankrupt,nine finger no-it -all

Marion

Most

just

see

a

big

waste

of

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column

inch

by

an

old

man.

Thanks.

prospector

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Sigmund 7 years ago

Bozo- I believe so ... http://www.kslegislature.org/legsrv-statutes/getStatute.do?number=11678 21-3520. Unlawful sexual relations. (a) Unlawful sexual relations is engaging in consensual sexual intercourse, lewd fondling or touching, or sodomy with a person who is not married to the offender if: (8) the offender is a teacher or a person in a position of authority and the person with whom the offender is engaging in consensual sexual intercourse, lewd fondling or touching or sodomy is 16 or 17 years of age and a student enrolled at the school where the offender is employed. If the offender is the parent of the student, the provisions of K.S.A. 21-3603, and amendments thereto, shall apply, not this subsection;

http://www.kslegislature.org/legsrv-statutes/getStatute.do?number=11686 21-3602. Incest. Incest is marriage to or engaging in otherwise lawful sexual intercourse or sodomy, as defined by K.S.A. 21-3501 and amendments thereto, with a person who is 18 or more years of age and who is known to the offender to be related to the offender as any of the following biological relatives: parent, child, grandparent of any degree, grandchild of any degree, brother, sister, half-brother, half-sister, uncle, aunt, nephew or niece.

  Incest is a severity level 10, person felony.
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just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 7 years ago

"brother/sister, guard/prisoner, teacher/student"

Is it really illegal for a brother and sister to have sex? Most would consider it immoral, and biologically inadvisable, but is it actually illegal? I agree that sex between a guard and prisoner is likely always illegal. What if a student is over 18? It might lead to the firing of the teacher for unprofessional conduct, but is it illegal?

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Laura Watkins 7 years ago

I'd have to absolutely 100% ditto "opinion".

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geekin_topekan 7 years ago

Nicccccce! Thank you Marion.

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Agnostick 7 years ago

Sigmund, you're referring to Kansas state law. The law, regulations, policies etc. of Kansas Dept. of Education, as well as the local school board, district etc. are probably a bit more stringent on such matters.

Agnostick agnostick@excite.com http://www.uscentrist.org

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costello 7 years ago

That was the first thing that went through my mind, too, opinion. An accusation doesn't mean she did it.

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promitida 7 years ago

This comment was removed by the site staff for violation of the usage agreement.

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Sigmund 7 years ago

If I understand it properly, sexual relations between consenting parties over the age of 16, not 18, are perfectly legal and "moral" in Kansas, as long as there is no other is no other forbidden relationship between the parties (brother/sister, guard/prisoner, teacher/student), which are illegal at any age.

As for the "thrill of the forbidden" that reminds me of a famous exchange:

Psychiatrist: Do you think sex is "dirty?" Woody Allen: Only if it's done right.

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opinion 7 years ago

Restraint please. My student child just found out about this and said a troubled student may be at the heart of this issue. Probably wise not to condemn anyone yet.

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Gabe Hoffman 7 years ago

prospect....that didn't help at all.....lol

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Pywacket 7 years ago

I think it is (and should be) much more about the fact of dominant/subordinate position than about age per se.

For instance, even if the teacher were a genius who graduated from college at age 15 and was teaching high school at age 16... and the student were an 18-year-old senior... the teacher would still be morally (and contractually) in the wrong--regardless of who was male or female.

If the situation is about actual feelings (love, tra la), the teacher--who should be more mature and able to control impulses--should maintain a friendly, but not sexual, relationship with the student until the student graduates. If there is still a mutual interest at that time, they have a lifetime to share a relationship.

The fact that they "can't wait" indicates something less noble--probably something that is more about sex and an adult's insecurities than about a lasting, healthy relationship. Knowing the risks involved, any teacher who would still pursue a sexual relationship with a student has some kind of issue. The thrill of the forbidden? Some deficiency that makes her/him unable to pursue relationships with age-appropriate partners? That can be for the shrinks to decide.

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prospector 7 years ago

Hey Marion,

oohhh Marion,

Just

try

it

!

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yme 7 years ago

OK, I give up. I can't find the site, would someone plaeeeeze tell me where to look. Thanks

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prospector 7 years ago

Plug

Plug

Plug

...

00jester

My guess to the riddle.

The swell spelling, no-it -all, lover of school administators, and pitbulls, Enforcer. This is down her gutter.

Everytime

someone

reads

her

posts,

learning

dies

a

little

bit.

So aren't there about four of you over there playing footsy?

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TheGoldenBoy 7 years ago

Incidents like this are so overated! I know it sounds like the two probably had sex and so what if they did! In this day and age, most people are sexually active by the time the reach 13. For an older person to have sex with a younger person may seem immoral and it probably is but that is a part of life. Get use to it!

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Confrontation 7 years ago

Thanks for the info, Marion. It's funny that on one of the sites it says, "Who I Want to Meet: someone like me, only better."

I guess that doesn't say much about her if she's cruising for younguns. Some women are too desperate.

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adky 7 years ago

I'm surprised she got involved with anyone - she seems to be really into herself!

"About Me: i am really cool.

Who I Want to Meet: someone like me, only better."

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commuter 7 years ago

What about older men and younger girls. i mean girls 18 years old.

Didn't a lawrence teacher marry a former student and now they have a child? I heard this is it true?

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Mr_Ramirez 7 years ago

Not bad, i'd say about 7 keystones.......

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thomgreen 7 years ago

Too bad her profile is set to private, would like to know if she was married or not. I would hate to see this turn out like the Tennessee (?) situation last week.

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thomgreen 7 years ago

I found it, nice job on the sleuth job. It looks like she's lost weight since the USD497 picture.

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Agnostick 7 years ago

Aaahh, yes, the Perez Hilton of the Kansas River valley...

Agnostick agnostick@excite.com http://www.uscentrist.org

http://www.noolmusic.com/blogs/YouTube_Music_Videos_80s_90s_-Van_Halen-_Hot_For_Teacher.shtml

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billybeanbag 7 years ago

There is and has been a huge double-standard for men vs. women in terms of these things. It's societal.

I don't need a teacher, I just need a date. ;-)

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Gabe Hoffman 7 years ago

Well Marion now you got me curious.

Perhaps a riddle?

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Marion Lynn 7 years ago

One of my more prolific and dedicated posters found her profile on MySpace as well.

Thanks.

Marion.

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pilch 7 years ago

I'm surprised it came out all. USD497 just like KU like to stay off the radar.

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thomgreen 7 years ago

Where's "you know where"?....just curious

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hawkperchedatriverfront 7 years ago

How old does one have to be to enroll in High School? Is it too late? The school district could have someone over 25 enroll and charge them $500 enrollment fee. Cheaper than going to a strip club and a lot more fun.

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Sigmund 7 years ago

When I was in school (not in Topeka) a male teacher in his mid-twenties was "romantically" involved with the 16 year old sister of a friend of mine. The last I heard they were married and living here in Lawrence. Does it make it right, or legal, or even moral? No, but often life is much more complicated than the black and white generalizations that society imposes upon conduct. I'm not condoning anything, I'm just saying.

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Marion Lynn 7 years ago

'at's OK.

I published the name, you know where!

Thanks.

Marion.

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Steve Jacob 7 years ago

Reminds me of the "South Park" episode. One on the best ever.

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bretherite 7 years ago

I went to school in Topeka in the mid 80's. there was a scandal with the cheer coach and the head yell leader. She was not fired or brought up on charges. Nothing happened In fact, they got married after he graduated and are still together today.

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samsnewplace 7 years ago

Mr_Ramirez it was going on in the 60's-70's too. I have a friend that was educated well by his high school teacher and he wouldn't have missed it for the world.

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Gabe Hoffman 7 years ago

Uh, cause it is 90% of the male student bodies fantasy to get with the hottest teacher in school. It usually isn't a power issue.

When it's a girl, it's thought that she might have had no other choice beacuse it's a grown man forcing himself on a young powerless girl.

Make it right, no.

Always the same reasoning, no.

Do I remember my favorite teacherm for sure.

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weedwacker 7 years ago

Are we just assuming it is with a male student? I guess I missed where the article says it was with a male student. Many times these days, it can be with the same sex. Let's not assume anything until you have all the facts.

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frustratednks 7 years ago

I wasn't aware that they identified the sex of the victim?

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thomgreen 7 years ago

What I find weird, is that lately it has been predominantly women being charged. Such a strange trend.

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acg 7 years ago

It's funny to me that when it's a female teacher and a male student, men high five each other and say "har-de-har, where were these teachers when I was in school?" but if the situation were reversed and it was a male teacher and female student the whole world is ready to hang the guy from the nearest tree. So my question is, why does it make the male student a stud but the female student a victim?

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Mr_Ramirez 7 years ago

.....The student was unavailable for comment after being hoisted onto the shoulders of his male classmates..

Where were all these teachers when i was in H.S. ?

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Gabe Hoffman 7 years ago

Is the dating scene really that bad around here?

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