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Allegations tied to relationship with former Lawrence physician

In a stunning development this week in Kansas politics, Morrison admitted to having a two-year extramarital affair with Linda Carter, who had been director of administration of the Johnson County district attorney's office when Morrison was district attorney. Kansas Attorney General Paul Morrison answers questions during news conference following inauguration ceremonies in Topeka, Kan., in this Jan. 8, 2007, file photo.

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June 28, 2007

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Kansas Attorney General Paul Morrison points out the charges that have been filed against Wichita doctor George Tiller during a news conference in Topeka. Morrison filed 19 misdemeanor charges Thursday against Tiller, a high-profile abortion provider, alleging the doctor had an improper financial relationship with a consulting physician on late-term procedures.

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Kansas Attorney General Paul Morrison files more than a dozen charges against Wichita abortion provider George Tiller today. Enlarge video

Topeka — Dr. Ann Kristin Neuhaus, who used to operate an abortion clinic in Lawrence, is at the center of 19 misdemeanor charges filed Thursday that accuse Dr. George Tiller of violating the state law that restricts late-term abortions.

The announcement of charges by Attorney General Paul Morrison ended a six-month investigation that fueled a political storm between anti-abortion advocates and those who support abortion rights.

Morrison dumped his predecessor's charges against Tiller, saying former Attorney General Phill Kline botched the investigation in his zeal to prosecute Tiller for political purposes.

Instead, Morrison filed new and different charges.

"It was clear, after looking at this case, Kline's investigation of Dr. Tiller was not about enforcing the law. It was about pushing a political agenda," Morrison said.

Kline, a Republican and ardent abortion opponent, was defeated in November by Morrison, a Democrat who supports abortion rights.

Kline said the new charges against Tiller vindicated his investigation.

"The noise level generated by name calling, backed by millions of dollars of abortion money, has not been able to silence the truth, reflected in the evidence that I obtained," he said.

Alleged financial ties

But Morrison said in his review of the evidence, his office found something that Kline missed.

Under Kansas law, abortions after 22 weeks of pregnancy are illegal unless two physicians determine that continuation of the pregnancy threatens the life or health of the mother.

The two determining physicians cannot have any legal or financial ties, according to the law.

Morrison alleges that Neuhaus, of Nortonville, who was consulted as the second physician of record in 19 of the reviewed abortions, had financial ties to Tiller.

"They can't be in cahoots legally or financially," Morrison said, although he declined to elaborate on the allegation.

"We're alleging there was a financial relationship between the two," he said.

Tiller's attorneys - Lee Thompson and Dan Monnant - issued a statement saying: "Today's announcement simply involves a difference of opinion between lawyers regarding unusual technicalities in Kansas abortion law procedure."

Neuhaus could not be reached for comment. One phone number for her went unanswered. An attorney who has represented her in the past did not return a phone call.

Neuhaus' former clinic

Abortion opponents have said that Neuhaus has been the second physician for a long time who would help OK late-term abortions, and that if there was an illegal financial relationship with Tiller, Morrison's investigation should be expanded.

But Morrison said he wouldn't do that.

Of Neuhaus, he said, "We do know what she is doing now, and I don't really want to get into that, but let me just say, at this point she is not a concern."

She operated an abortion clinic from 1997 to 2002 at 205 W. Eighth St. in Lawrence.

Neuhaus said she had to close the clinic because of debt incurred from several weeks of inactivity in 2001 after the Kansas Board of Healing Arts began investigating an allegation that Neuhaus performed an abortion on a patient who had withdrawn consent. The charge was never substantiated.

Earlier in 2001, she stopped keeping hours at a Wichita clinic, citing a combination of protests, threats and finances.

Tiller charges

The attorney general's charges against Tiller were filed in Sedgwick County where Tiller operates an abortion clinic.

Tiller was charged because he was the one performing the abortions, Morrison said.

Morrison described the allegations as "technical violations." They carry a maximum punishment of up to one year in jail and a $2,500 fine.

Morrison's announcement also opened a new round of political sniping.

Morrison said Kline's investigation contained numerous errors and inaccurate documents and withheld exculpatory evidence. Kline denied the accusations.

After his defeat but before he left office, Kline filed 30 charges against Tiller, alleging the physician performed illegal abortions and failed to properly report those procedures to state officials. A judge dismissed the charges on jurisdictional grounds.

Topeka (ap) - Here are details of the 19 misdemeanor charges filed Thursday in Sedgwick County District Court against Dr. George Tiller by Attorney General Paul Morrison.

All counts allege that Tiller performed a late-term abortion "without a documented referral from a physician with whom he was not legally or financially affiliated," as required by Kansas Statute 65-6703.

All abortions were performed in 2003. Each charge is punished by up to a year in jail and a fine of up to $2,500.

Count 1: Date of abortion was July 21; patient was 24 and in her 29th week of pregnancy.

Count 2: July 22; patient, 14 and in 26th week. This abortion also was the subject of counts 1 and 2 in a case filed in December against Tiller by then-Attorney General Phill Kline. That case was dismissed for jurisdictional reasons.

Count 3: July 8; patient, 10 and in 28th week. Kline counts 3 and 4.

Count 4: Aug. 5; patient, 15 and in 26th week. Kline counts 13 and 14.

Count 5: Aug. 5; patient, 15 and in 28th week. Kline counts 15 and 16.

Count 6: Aug. 12; patient, 15 and in 25th week. Kline counts 17 and 18.

Count 7: Aug. 25; patient, 24 and in 30th week.

Count 8: Aug. 26; patient, 14 and in 25th week. Kline counts 23 and 24.

Count 9: Sept. 9; patient, 15 and in 25th week. Kline counts 25 and 26.

Count 10: Sept. 9; patient, 14 and in 26th week.

Count 11: Sept. 23; patient, 16 and in 30th week.

Count 12: Oct. 22; patient, 22 and in 29th week.

Count 13: Oct. 27; patient, 20 and in 27th week.

Count 14: Sept. 9; patient, 19 and in 29th week.

Count 15: Nov. 4; patient, 13 and in 25th week. Kline counts 29 and 30.

Count 16: Nov. 18; patient 15 and in 25th week.

Count 17: Nov. 4; patient, 15 and in 25th week. Kline counts 21 and 22.

Count 18: Nov. 4; patient, 18 and in 25th week. Kline counts 27 and 28.

Count 19: Nov. 18; patient 16 and in 29th week. Kline counts 7 and 8.

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28 June 2007
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Sigmund (Anonymous) says…

“…allegation that Neuhaus performed an abortion on a patient who had withdrawn consent. The charge was never substantiated.” That is quite a charge, killing a baby without the consent of the mother. Wouldn't bother me a bit if Kris spent sometime in jail and lost that license to practice medicine. Guess she never got the memo that pro-choicer's want abortion to be legal but rare.
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Godot (Anonymous) says…

The legislature must appoint a special investigator. Morrison is refusing to investigate the true crime, the collusion between two abortionists to circumvent Kansas law in order to profit from the murder of nearly born infants.
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28 June 2007
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Godot (Anonymous) says…

Looks like I hit a little too close to home to have elicited personal attacks from Aggie so early in the discourse.
28 June 2007
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dozer (Anonymous) says…

Godot - Your post is exactly what Morrison is investigating. Listen to the tv coverage. Stop being blinded by your hate for Morrison and open your eyes and look and the charges.
29 June 2007
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Godot (Anonymous) says…

I choose satellite TV, so I am not subjected to the multiple layers of LJW journalistic monopoly in Lawrence. I missed out on the seminal report to which you refer, Dozer.

From what I read in the jw online article, Morrison has declined to further investigate the relationship between Tiller and Neuhaus. If the JW is incorrectly stating Morrison's position, and Morrison does intend to follow up on the possible criminal relationship between the two abortionists, and prosecute if the evidence is there, then, good for him.

I don't care one whit about one politician or another. I do care about viable infants who are being murdered for the sake of profit and convenience under the sanction of the Kansas Dept of Health and Environment.
29 June 2007
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manyblessings (Anonymous) says…

One of the patients was only 10 years old. Poor thing. How heartbreaking.

29 June 2007
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cait48 (Anonymous) says…

Yes manyblessings it is heartbreaking. I guess forcing a 10 year old to carry a baby to term isn't grave bodily harm. I am so sick of people who don't know the facts screaming “babykiller!” They think it's all about money and convenience. Third trimester abortions make up less then 1% of all abortions. A case of that type may slip through the cracks on an extremely rare basis. I don't know. It depends on how determined the woman is to terminate the pregnancy. But I can guarantee the vast majority of late term abortions are done for one of two reasons; the baby is so horribly deformed it wouldn't live anyway or the life of the mother is threatened. But do these prolife jerks care? Hell no! It doesn't make any difference to them that the baby may have two heads or the mother has cancer.
I seriously worry about the women who may have to face this in the future. Only a handful of doctors in this country perform late term abortions. Thanks to the efforts of the extreme prolife right there soon may be none at all. And women will die. But what the hell do they care? It's not about life. Pffft! Over three thousand troops, men and women, have died in Iraq. God knows how many women and children civilians have died. No it's not about life. It's about control.
Sure makes me feel good to be a woman.
29 June 2007
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rtwngr (Anonymous) says…

The questions that also came up with Kline's investigations were about the reporting process of “Herr Doktor” Tiller in the cases of these 10 and 13 year old girls that became pregnant. Were the proper authorities involved as I am sure these involved rape of some sort? These are the things that Morrison is unwilling to pursue. What about the non-late term abortions that involve 10 and 13 year old girls? Is Tiller reporting these?

What gets me is the activists involved in protecting Tiller give protection to these animals that prey on young girls for the sake of abortion rights.
29 June 2007
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63BC (Anonymous) says…

That's the key point. If a ten year old girl has an abortion, then she has been raped–ipso facto.

Where's the investigation/prosecution of the rapist?
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deec (Anonymous) says…

Where is the outrage about births to girls under 16 years, 9 months?
29 June 2007
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imastinker (Anonymous) says…

That's what started the whole thing with Kline - there was going to be a rape investigation for underage women getting abortions without a rape being reported. This lets any pedophile get some girl pregnant and then take her for an abortion and destroy the evidence.

I sincerely hope he will pursue this as well, and if necessary charge tiller with aiding and abetting or whatever the appropriate charge for that is.
29 June 2007
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deec (Anonymous) says…

so as long as the pedophile's victim gives birth, its okay?
29 June 2007
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packrat (Anonymous) says…

I count 10 possible felonies. Who got those young girls pregnant? When will charges be filed against the rapists?
29 June 2007
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lunacydetector (Anonymous) says…

didn't tiller fund a cause that ran ads against kline during the campaign, helping morrison?
yep

29 June 2007
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buffalo_star (Anonymous) says…

we were being told that kline was way off base in his little “witch hunt”, seems there must be more to this story. america must error on the side of life
29 June 2007
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average (Anonymous) says…

Look, if the 10 or 12 year old rape victims (both the ones Kline investigated or those who gave birth) were going to name their victimizor, they would have done so and Kline would have prosecuted them. Maybe some DNA investigation would find the man, but often not. Are we going to waterboard these girls until they tell us who the father was?
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lacoov (Anonymous) says…

So, it's rape if an underage female has an abortion but it's not rape if she has the child? Personally I don't believe in abortion but how does this line of reasoning work?
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stuckinthemiddle (Anonymous) says…

I don't have much of an opinion on the legal or political aspects of this story… but I do find it hard to believe that anyone would force a 10 or 12 year old girl to stay pregnant and give birth.
29 June 2007
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KellyBoyleWolfe (Kelly Boyle-Wolfe) says…

The naivety in your statements regarding “rape” and the teenaged girls that had abortions is astounding. I would not be so quick to make those type of assumptions. Our kids are growing up exceedingly fast these days. I have 2 teenaged boys and I have been around their friends and observed their behavior. These young girls are having sex, no doubt about it. Those of you that are making snap judgements assuming their is some pedophile preying on them and stripping them of their innocence is nonsense. I am sure there is a percentage of those that have had to endure the horror of such crimes, it is not likely that THAT is the majority of these young pregnancies.
29 June 2007
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Stain (Anonymous) says…

Where is the outrage about the lack of sex education for these young girls (and their partners). And where are the boys or men? The legal age of consent in Kansas is 16. Any younger, it's statutory rape.

I'm pro-choice but not at 25 weeks.
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Stain (Anonymous) says…

Godot (Anonymous) says:
The legislature must appoint a special investigator. Morrison is refusing to investigate the true crime, the collusion between two abortionists to circumvent Kansas law in order to profit from the murder of nearly born infants.

Did you even bother to read the article? That is exactly what he is investigating - although your hysterical and inflammatory “in order to profit from the murder” is a leap from the facts that you cannot support, it's just your opinion.
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29 June 2007
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63BC (Anonymous) says…

If an underage girl gives birth, that is reported to vital statistics [as all births are required to be], and that evidence can form the basis for an investigation into finding her rapist.

Is Tiller also reporting abortions performed on underage girls [as he is required to] or is he shielding the rapists to protect his bottom line?

The issue is required reporting and investigations of child rape, not abortion per se.
29 June 2007
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deec (Anonymous) says…

Since the government already has access to the birth records, they should concentrate their efforts on those records, rather than wasting time and money on the 2+ year legal fight of Morrison's predecessor to obtain abortion records.
For example in 2005 there were 69 reported pregnancies ages 10-14, and 1483 reported pregnancies ages15-17. This includes, stillbirths, abortions and live births. For girls 10-14, this rate is about half what it was during 1996.
http://www.kdheks.gov/hci/as/2005/AS0…
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justthefacts (Anonymous) says…

Just the facts - in Kansas anyone having sex with any person under the age of 14 (whether the minor “consents” etc. to that conduct, or not) is deemed to have committed criminal rape. The KS Legislature has enacted a law (KSA 21-3502 see www.kslegislature.org for a full copy of that statute) that prohibits such conduct with persons under the age of 14. Thus, anyone who engages in such conduct while in kansas could be criminally prosecuted for rape. However, as with all alleged criminal conduct, in order to convict someone of the crime, there must be sufficient untainted evidence allowing the government to prove that a crime occurred. Obtaining such evidence is not that hard when a Kansas girl under the age of 14 shows up pregnant. But getting the proper cooperation in obtaining other evidence (i.e. the names, dates, etc.) from all the necessary witnesses is not always that easy.
29 June 2007
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nugget (Anonymous) says…

Appears most of you are forgetting that Kline had four years to go after Tiller, and failed. This is not about money or guilt or innocence. It's because Kline is incompetent. He had Tiller in his sights long before he was AG. Apparently it's OK and forgiven to be incompetent when you're a Republican.

The *accurate* charges which Morrison has brought have a $5,000 fine and 1 year potential prison sentence for each charge he's found guilty of. If it only took Morrison's staff a few months to put this together, why couldn't Kline to it in four years, and why couldn't he do it accurately? Then there's the issue of Kline scattering the case files—private health care information protected by HIPAA—all over the state in places unknown.

I hope after Morrison wraps this up that he prosecutes Kline for violating the oath of his office and for committing federal crimes. Kline is someone that should not be practicing law. Period. He should be running an anti-abortion political group which is his main interest in life.
29 June 2007
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cait48 (Anonymous) says…

Geez guys. Everybody is under the assumption that these abortions on girls under the age of 14 were never reported in the first place. You don't KNOW that! ALL abortions and all live births are reported to KDHE. The records that Tiller and Kline both are in hot water over are forms that Tiller sent to KDHE. In fact KDHE helped Tiller fill out some of them! How can you say they weren't reported? How do you know a rape investigation wasn't done? Having an abortion doesn't preclude a rape investigation. It could have occured long before the abortion. It's a completely separate thing, apples and oranges. You are not in these girls and women's lives. You don't know what's been done and not done. Yet you continually sit in judgment of them and their doctor.
I will repeat something I have said in the past; I hope that these judgmental jerks are judged at the throne of God by the same yardstick they used on other people.
“Judge not lest ye be judged.”
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storm (Anonymous) says…

So if a podiatrist performs toenail extractions in addition to other procedures, do we call him/her a toenail extractor? So if a physican performs abortions in addition to other gyn services, why do we call him by one procedure - in this case, abortions. This type of journalism is inflammatory.
29 June 2007
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deec (Anonymous) says…

Well, the reality is that Kline originally asked for unredacted records, which was clearly illegal under Hippa. The courts ruled against him. Maybe if he'd kept up his law license instead of letting it lapse several times, he would have known about the laws governing his fishing expedition.
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Jamesaust (Anonymous) says…

Jamesaust: June 18: “Perhaps [the Kline expert physician blabbering about what the records show] goal was in anticipation that an objective review of records would not reveal criminal activity and so a preemptive 'tainting' of the whole investigation as a 'whitewash' was in order?”

Bingo.

29 June 2007
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buffalo_star (Anonymous) says…

i think when crime becomes politicized the truth suffers. it doesn't matter if we are left or right leaning, if you become offended because crimes are being investigated we are not leaning but falling down. yes kline needed to be watched all of law enforcement needs to be closely watched but if kline or now morrsion have to stick their polictical finger in the air for wind direction its the innocent that will stuff. there is something bad here and the truth must come out regardless. that is what i think
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redneckwoman (Anonymous) says…

It's sad to see a 10 yr old on the list. One would think/hope that the parents, doctor, & everyone else involved for those under the age of consent would take every legal action they can, but if she's not talking then nobody can do a thing. Besides I think one can still get DNA from a fetus fullterm or not.
29 June 2007
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nugget (Anonymous) says…

Someone said: “You all forget that Foulston (DA) and Clark (Judge) blocked and fought everything Kline did. The best spin doctor in the world can not spin away all the BS the Dems in Kansas have been up to on thisall the way up to Sebelius. If you think otherwise, you've got a serious problem with reality.”

That's a nice argument, but doesn't address the fact Kline was, and remains incompetent and ineffective. He was fired by the people of Kansas, and for that to happen by such a large margin, an overwhelming majority of Republicans had to assist in getting him out of office. Fact is, previous Republican AGs of Kansas are on record stating the same. Why is that so difficult for you to understand? Blaming the “other party” and the press is a well known but lame Republican rallying point, but it doesn't address the truth about Kline's incompetence which an overwhelming majority of Republicans side with.
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storm (Anonymous) says…

What was bad?
29 June 2007
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pelliott (Anonymous) says…

The blow hards that said the morrison wouldn't do his job aren't going to admit they were wrong, They are on to the next attack. He sure is doing it better than Kline. Kline was a bad attorney. I didn't care for how cozy Kline was with the antiabortion people , kansas needed an attorney general who was a good attorney,not a lobbiest. I hope morrison has more time than kline did for consumer fraud and identity theft. we need a broader approach in that office.
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Jamesaust (Anonymous) says…

r_t cannot wrap his mind around the FACT that the people of Kansas - by a wide margin - dumped Kline precisely because of this type of ideology-before-facts. His absolute contempt for the people of Kansas is breathtaking - Kline and his jihad were not obscure topics that voters didn't have time or the inclination to think about. Kline lived on the frontpage of newspapers - and in the contemptuous dismissal of the professional courts - for four years; there's nothing about abortion that voters have reflected on again-and-again. Last November, voters gave the most thoughtful and fair evaluation that Kline could ever receive.

There is no vast conspiracy hiding reality. There is an absolute refusal by zealots to look at the sky and call it blue.
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kmat (Anonymous) says…

summer's eve - your son lives in Wichita so he is the know all about Foulston? I've had the bad luck of driving through Wichita, so maybe I'm a know-it-all about everything down there too. You are judging someone you don't know. That's very unchristian of you. Just because someone believes in the legal right to an abortion you automatically spout the right wing b.s. “liberal”. People like you are the reason why I get harassed during my business travels because I'm from KS. It's sad when people in foreign countries have heard how backwards KS is. They all feel sorry for me.

Right Thinker - we did fire him. My parents who have never voted against a republican in their lives gave money to Morrison and voted against Kline. My dad is a deacon in the church and my mom works at their church. They are as conservative as normal people can be (normal meaning conservatives that use their brains, logic and reasoning to make educated decisions). I can say that it wasn't money spent by Tiller that got Morrison elected. Kline is an incompetent nutjob. He is such a joke that even Kansans wouldn't reelect him. Do you wonder why he has been removed from the murder case of the girl from SMWest? Because they know he can't prosecute anything. He has very little experience.

I also know a bunch of people that attend the mega church he goes to in Shawnee. They all say he's a stupid dick! Pretty sad when the evangelicals don't like you.
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imastinker (Anonymous) says…

Why are we still talking about Kline - this is past Kline now. All morrison has to do is tell me that the bad guys have been prosecuted, and I'll rest easy. He should have included that in his statement if that was the case. Otherwise, I expect him to hunt the guy down and make him wish he'd never preyed on a grade schooler.

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stuckinthemiddle (Anonymous) says…

The reality is that abortion is legal in Kansas and Morrison is AG.
What reality are you talking about, Chief?
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Roadkill_Rob (Anonymous) says…

“I think we know how that conspiracy panned out.”

Yep, neocons wasted millions of dollars impeaching President Clinton for reasons that had nothing to do with job performance while, at the same time, creating negativity for the Clinton administration. That negativity was enough to make the next election close enough to allow the ultimate neocon to steal the election.

Thankfully, the majority is now seeing that the Bush administration is FAR worse.

I'm not the biggest Clinton supporter, but when Clinton lied, nobody died…Clinton screwed an intern while Bush screwed a nation.
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Roadkill_Rob (Anonymous) says…

Was a ban on domestic registry on a ballot ever? I believe a gay marriage amendment was on a ballot.

The homophobia in this state is unbelievable…some even compare it to abortion.
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Machiavelli_mania (Anonymous) says…

Kline was a neoliberal, with his idea of state interventions.
Make sure you get that horrible enemy of the GOP, the enemy within, Kline.
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Roadkill_Rob (Anonymous) says…

“We will have justice for the illegal killings”

Amen! Hey Parkay, do you ever protest the war? You know, the one where hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqis have been killed? What is your involvement with the Darfur situation?
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purplesage (Anonymous) says…

I am shocked at the filing of charges, biting the hand the feeds, so to speak. And, I am doubly shocked that AG Morrison would make statements such as those he issued against his predecessor. The election is over, Mr. Morrison; give it a rest!

Truth is, the misdemeanor charges against Tiller are pretty minor in two respects. In the first of the two, they hardly address the atrocities that man commits every day he stays in business. And in the second, Morrison's defamatory comments against Phill Kline are far more serious charges, though as yet unfiled, than are the one's officially filed against Tiller.

The attorney general is attempting to play both sides of the issue. There are offenses, and Phill Kline was correct to make an attempt to prosecute Tiller, albeit hurried on his way out of office. And he is taking these pot shots at Kline to mitigate the effects of his actions with his pro-abortion base.

No doubt, he's in a tough spot. He really needs to keep his opinions about his predecessor to himself and do the job he was elected to do - whether he wants to or not.
29 June 2007
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cait48 (Anonymous) says…

“Tiller has contracted the highly profitable killing of babies for no more reason than the mother missing a music concert or rodeo.”
Where did you get this little nugget parkay? Operation Rescue? hahahaha!!!!!!!!
Oh wait, you had ACCESS to those records so you know exactly why those women aborted. Wait, wait, no! You were listening in on a bug planted in the wall in the prepocedure counseling room!
So tell me, are you Paul Hill's mouthpiece in Kansas? Because I'm not seeing anything but the same old tired prolife, out of touch with reality rhetoric that's been spouted over and over again. babykillers!!!!!! They're killing babieeeeesssss!!!!!!! Emotional hot trigger buzzwords that have nothing to do with the reality of women's lives.
Oh and by the way, tell me, do you support the war in Iraq? Do you have any idea how many BORN children have died as the result of that war? Do you even care????
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rtwngr (Anonymous) says…

How is it when someone finds a position indefensable they start calling people names like “homophobe”? Then in order to justify the atrocity of murdering innocent children they point to the “hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqi's” killed by their own countrymen.

I find it incredulous that in all of the years we have been cursed with the presence of “Herr Doktor” Tiller, not one rape indictment has resulted from information provided by his clinic!

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stuckinthemiddle (Anonymous) says…

“Homophobe” is typical escalation of rhetoric, rtwngr…
just like “murdering innocent children” and “Herr Doktor”…

And… does it help you sleep at night to pretend that all the innocents in Iraq have been killed by their own countrymen?
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Roadkill_Rob (Anonymous) says…

rtwngr,

I know you don't think you're a homophobe, but if you believe in denying gay people rights, that is homophobia. BTW, I wasn't the one who brought up the domestic registry issue.

And I'm not trying to justify abortion…just pointing out that pro-lifers whine about abortion but tend to ignore the fact that innocent children are dying in foreign countries b/c of our foreign policy. Do you only care about American babies? Why not go all out on your pro-life stance and include all life?
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lefthanded (Anonymous) says…

Kmat, looks like the nut fell a long way from the tree, eh? OR are you making up the part about your dad being grand pooba and your mom playing the organ? Why on earth haven't you considered moving to another state if you travel for a living, as you allege? Or better yet, lie when they ask where you're from. When traveling abroad I usually just say I'm American, but you, knowing the pain of the coming harassment repeatedly state you are from “backward” Kansas?

Nolla's a pretty hard-core liberal. She's also a friend of the doctor in question b/c he helped her adopt a child. Nolla's staff is so emotional charged and defensive in favor of the doctor that a discussion of the pertinent facts is not possible.

It is unfortunate that the fact charges were filed at all on this sleazebag is overlooked b/c two grown men and constituents are so involved in trying to seize all the credit for any good and shunning the negatives. Fact is Morrison wouldn't likely have pursued the case had Kline's former work on it as AG not placed pressure on him once he assumed the job. Kline, on the other hand, may very well have a few bricks missing if he made getting this guy his mission yet was unable to do so. It would appear not too difficult.
29 June 2007
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Jamesaust (Anonymous) says…

Chief: “Is the reality of Kansas such that Lawrence can pick and choose?”

Yes. The Kansas Constitution calls this “home rule.” Statutes that are not uniform throughout Kansas can be deviated from by local government (zoning, or liquor).

Unfortunately for Kline, the criminal laws do not have a local 'opt out.' In Kansas, you still have to have evidence of a crime to prosecute someone.

Morrison's report as to these crimes 'you all' keep alleging is: no evidence. Morrison's report as to Tiller: not following the administrative rules. Morrison's report as to Kline's prior work: he misled (lied to?) the court in his original filing by stating evidence of criminal acts that were non-existent. The only real issue with Kline is deciding whether that was incompetence or deceit.
29 June 2007
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buffalo_star (Anonymous) says…

since posting on this forum earlier today as typical the discuss as gone to hell big time
29 June 2007
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erod0723 (Anonymous) says…

I think that Morrison should move for the disbarrment of Kline for unethical practices. It is clearly evident to anyone with half a brain that Kline was on a witch hunt against Tiller, merely because he has a chosen profession that disgusts Kline. It was a sad day when JOCO made that thug their DA.
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blackwalnut (Anonymous) says…

This ought to put to rest the allegations that Morrison will not do his job. It is Kline who had the agenda, and wasn't too worried about being constrained by the law. Now we have Morrison, going where the truth takes him.

We need more of this in our government and our courts: people simply doing their jobs, without bias.
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erod0723 (Anonymous) says…

“That Morrison was largely bought and paid for by Tillers money”
Um you are completely wrong on this point. Morrison won the election because Kline proved himself to be bigoted, racist, extremist, and ineffective.

29 June 2007
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blackwalnut (Anonymous) says…

right_thinker:
How much money, exactly, did Tiller contribute to Morrison's campaign? Could one person, singlehandedly, really get a guy elected?
29 June 2007
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erod0723 (Anonymous) says…

Blackwalnut,
No. But 8 people wearing robes sure can…

Back on topic, I found a startling parallel between the case of Tiller and the presidency of GWB. How is Bush able to ignore laws he deems unconstitutional, but not Tiller? The Kansas abortion law violates the intent of Roe v Wade, and Tiller most likely felt as such. He would then feel compelled to not comply with the state's law.
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blackwalnut (Anonymous) says…

erod,

It is that Unitarian executive theory of the Cheney reich, or something like that.
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Jamesaust (Anonymous) says…

right_thinker: “Tiller has given well over $200k in back-door cash to the KDP and what is basically his own PAC, ProKanDo that ran a well-organized smear machine. He has also given Sebelius well over $10k just in the past several years. Can you say 'veto'?”

I have no idea if these numbers are correct or not - the anti-abortion extremists have demonstrated that no sin including lying cannot be committed as valid means to a valid end.

That aside, how is it that those who most loudly declaim any limitation on campaign funding as an unconstitutional violation of speech (a/k/a, “money is speech”), reverse themselves here and claim that money is corruptly buying governmental favors for the giver?

Does r_t support banning all money contributions to candidates, banning all public speech on political issues near elections, and allowing the sole source of campaign funds to come from the government itself? (I suspect not.)

Politicians do not support abortion rights because Tiller gives them money; rather, Tiller gives them money because they support abortion rights. Likewise, politicians do wish to restrict abortion rights because 'pro-life' people give them money but visa versa.
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erod0723 (Anonymous) says…

right_thinker,
Did it ever occur to you that Sebelius is a pro-choice advocate, regardless of whether Tiller supposedly donated thousands of dollars to her? Maybe that was what made him contribute to her campaign in the first place. It is his legal right and his business prerogative to support candidates that will not interfere with his business plan and a woman's rights. If you really want to open the can of worms on political donations, go no further than Sam Brownback. He has received contributions from extremist right-wing groups, such as Focus on the Family and Pat Roberts, for many years. By your logic, we are to assume that Brownback is only against same-sex marriage because of his contributors. Unlike Brownback, Sebelius is not trying to supress a person's inalienable rights, and no, a fetus is NOT a person.
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Stain (Anonymous) says…

These charges have a lot more credibility coming from Morrison.

Kline was clearly on a witch hunt and none too respectful of the rule of law, behaving as if the end he wanted justified any illegal or unethical means.