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Sebelius letter calls President Bush ‘out of touch’

April 16, 2007

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— Gov. Kathleen Sebelius urged the U.S. Senate to remove President Bush's restrictions on embryonic stem cell research.

"The President is out of touch on this issue," said a letter signed by Sebelius and nine other governors.

The letter was dated Wednesday, the same day the Senate voted 63-34 to ease restrictions on federally funded embryonic stem cell research.

Bush has vowed to veto the legislation. He vetoed a similar measure last year.

Stem cells are created in the first days after conception. They are typically culled from frozen embryos, which are destroyed in the process.

Bush and other anti-abortion advocates say the destruction of embryos is the destruction of human life.

Supporters of embryonic stem cell research disagree with that and say the research holds the potential to save lives by providing cures to deadly diseases.

"Every day, thousands of families in our states struggle as a loved one suffers from juvenile diabetes, spinal cord injuries or other conditions that might be cured if restrictions are lifted," Sebelius said in the letter. "For over five years, these families have been forced to wait as the Bush policy has obstructed this vital research."

In addition to Sebelius, governors from Illinois, Iowa, New Mexico, New York, Michigan, Ohio, Oregon and Pennsylvania called for passage of the legislation.

Kansas' two senators, Sam Brownback, who is running for president, and Pat Roberts, voted against the bill Wednesday.

"The embryo is not potential life," Brownback said. "It is human life."

Comments

Richard Heckler 8 years ago

So does this...

Iacocca: Where Have All the Leaders Gone?

Godot 8 years ago

" Gov. Kathleen Sebelius urged the U.S. Senate to remove President Bush's restrictions on embryonic stem cell research."

President Bush has put no, make that zero, nada, restrictions on embryonic stem cell research. It can be done all day, every day, on as many little embryos as Sebellius' heart desires. She just has to find the private money to pay for it.

This misrepresentation of the issue is what makes me lose all respect for Sebelius, and the others who argue this way. If they have to mislead, mischaracterize, LIE about it, play with emotions rather than reason, then what are they hiding?

Anyway, why should Sebelius care? She has figured out a way to get Missouri tax dollars for KU Med embryonic stem cell research; just sell out KU Hospital to partner with St. Lukes.

kmat 8 years ago

So Godot, are you against in vitro fertilization? Is it ok to create as many zygotes as a couple wants trying to get knocked up, because of course we wouldn't want to adopt any kids out there that already need a good home. No, instead we'll just create dozens of zygotes that will end up thrown away. So what's better, throwing these zygotes in the trash or using the stem cells to cure others?

If you think it is ok for couples to do invitro, but it's not ok to use these same zygotes (that will be trashed) to save an already living human life, then you need to do some hard thinking about your "supposed" morals. You think a few cells in a lab are as valuable as a living soul?

After losing my sister to breast cancer last year, almost losing my mother to the same, having a father with diabetes and dimentia and now just had a friend diagnosed with 4th stage lymphoma and he will most likely not make it through the year, I have a very different view of stem cell research. No one is killing an already living human being and all we want is for these zygotes that will be destroyed to be used for some good. It seems there are so many out there that care about the fetus, but don't give a damn about those that are already born. You should go spend some time in an oncology ward, the ICU, etc.... and then decide if you want to be so closed minded about this issue. Go see the suffering.

And lastly, if the couples whos zygotes are going to be destoyed don't care if they are used for stem cell reseach, that's all that should matter. These zygotes are actually the property of the couple until the date that they will be trashed. All we need to do is have these couples sign that they agree that their zygotes can be used for this research. If they don't want that to happen, then they can opt out.

And there is a difference between a zygote and and embryo. A zygote is just the fertlized egg that hasn't begun to develope. An embryo is the next stage, embedded into the uterus and dividing. Politicians and holy rollers love to use these two as the same, but there is a difference.

jmadison 8 years ago

Embryonic stem cell results so far, not so good. Tumors result from these agents. Adult stem cell research has shown some success without causing tumors. Is the governor in favor of promoting cancer in potential recipients of embryonic stem cells?

EXks 8 years ago

kmat, great post!!

My sentiments exactly, truth told, plain and simple. You'll notice Godot's silence, because s/he espouses the same lame logic Bush & Co. feed their sheep .......their 'culture of life' is a first class sham.

Godot 8 years ago

Agnostick wrote: "Many of the embryos that could provide stem cells would probably end up in the trash can anyways. How logical is that?"

Don't let them go to waste; find a corporate sponsor to pony up the dough, and have at it.

Godot 8 years ago

KMAT, you are the poster child for the kind of people Sebelius is trying to fool.

The argument is whether federal tax dollars are used to fund the research, or whether researchers have to get their own funding, privately.

That is it. Period.

Godot 8 years ago

I have a surefire method for getting a Democrat president elected:

The one who donates all his or her campaign money to embryonic stem cell research, thereby ending all disease known to mankind, gets to be the Democratic candidate, and by the goodness and rightness of his or her action, will win the election by a landslide.

By my count so far, the Dems have raised close to $100,000,000. Surely that would be great seed money for a biomedical research not-for-profit organization.

Bradley Kemp 8 years ago

The federal government is and for a long time has been the single largest funder of medical research in this country. By restricting federal funding for stem cell research, the president has restricted stem cell research itself.

And in doing so, the president has shown himself to be out of step with the majority of the American people.

Godot 8 years ago

"The federal government is and for a long time has been the single largest funder of medical research in this country. "

But, not the only funder. There is plenty of dough out there. You just have to work harder to prove that your work is worth funding when it comes to getting private investment. And there is accountability.

That is why the academic/reseach complex depends on the no-accountability, easy to get (just play the emotion card) federal money.

rhd99 8 years ago

:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D Wow I am laughing so hard at the President & Sam Brownback & others this day. How can these incompetent boobs think they can support human life but say they are against human life because of this stem cell research that could cure very horrific diseases that destroy human life. Their arguments against stem cell research don't ADD UP. They are for destroying unused embryos. HELLO?! Anyone there? Hi I am Earth, have we MET? GET A CLUE, BROWNBACK!

yourworstnightmare 8 years ago

Godot,

What do you mean by "the academic/reseach complex depends on the no-accountability, easy to get (just play the emotion card) federal money".

Do you have any experience with obtaining and managing federal research money?

You obviously do not know what you are saying, as there are no greater standards of accountability and hard-to-get than federal research dollars.

You are clueless about this Godot, and are just spouting off about things you know nothing about.

Your ignorant, populist rants have no basis in reality, but instead basis in ideology and fundamentalism.

Roadkill_Rob 8 years ago

Bush does care about human life...except when it comes to Iraqi civilians. He likes to bomb the he!! out them.

rhd99 8 years ago

Well, if BUSH cares about human life, he better start here at home & QUIT interfering with medical research.

rhd99 8 years ago

Folks, Bush's credibility is all but gone. He has nothing left. What our Governor is doing is right because as she said it, ALONG with other governors: "BUSH IS OUT OF TOUCH"! Bush for the longest period of time has been on his own planet, & he DOES NOT LISTEN! The year 2009 can't come any faster!

Godot 8 years ago

Money for stem cell research will become the next favorite pork barrell reward.

rhd99 8 years ago

How is it pork to save a human life, Godot?

Godot 8 years ago

"Posted by rhd99 (anonymous) on April 16, 2007 at 10:51 a.m. (Suggest removal)

How is it pork to save a human life, Godot?"

Sources, rhd99?

rhd99 8 years ago

Godot, where are your sources that stem cell research is unethical? RT, where is your proof about George Tiller in kahootz with the Governor? NONE of you two have proof, just WRONGFUL inuendos.

Godot 8 years ago

I did not say stem cell research is unethical.

I said that to say that the Bush administration has put restrictions on stem cell research is lying.

jmadison 8 years ago

Here are links to a few articles regarding tumor formation following use of embryonic stem cells.

www.iovs.org/cgi/content/abstract/45/12/4251

http://www.21stcenturysciencetech.com/articles/winter01/stem_cell.html

cancerres.aacrjournals.org/cgi/content/full/66/7/3792

http://www.stemcellresearchfoundation.org/About/FAQ.htm#6 "Yet another concern is the possible risk of cancer. Cancer results when cells lose their internal "brakes" and keep dividing when further proliferation is no longer desirable. Researchers must find a delicate balance between fostering the growth of new cells to replenish damaged tissues and making sure that cells don't overgrow and become cancerous. However, most scientists believe that, with the appropriate research, these obstacles can be overcome and the power of stem cells can be harnessed."

Good luck at controlling the regulators of tumor formation.

So one can conclude that unless control of differentiation of the embryonic stem cells can be controlled, tumors will ensue. Contrast the failure of any useful implementation of embryonic stem cells with success using adult stem cells. The government should concentrate on expending its research dollars on those treatments with the greatest chance of success.

Remember, that Bush has prevented funding by the federal government of embryonic stem cell research. Private entities and the state of California have funded research, but at present federal research dollars should be directed at those therapies with the greatest potential for success.

deec 8 years ago

It appears that the source of this info is http://www.dr-tiller.com/tillers-governor.htm This is a list of all the PACs in Kansas http://www.accesskansas.org/ethics/paclist.htm

Do you object to all the PACs, or just the ones who support positions contrary to your own?

rhd99 8 years ago

RT, how much in bribes did Bush/Cheney receive from their oil buddies? It goes both ways. BUSH IS NOT infallable!

deec 8 years ago

Well, its good to know that you don't care if your government is bought and paid for by folks who agree with you.

Rationalanimal 8 years ago

""culled" from frozen embryos"

We are now culling parts from embryos (human life in gestation). The statement speaks for itself regarding the virtue of embryonic stem cell research. What is even more disturbing is that there is no promise of any results from stem cell research, only hopeful gain. Liberals like Sebellius are more concerned about a cat being mistreated than they are about embryos (human life in gestation) being culled for hopeful gain. The position is morally, and humanely indefensible. Kansas should be ashamed of our Governor.

rhd99 8 years ago

So, what's the deal with REPUBLICANS & embryos when the embryos are discarded anyway? What the heck are they trying to pull here? The Republicans have no basis for their arguments. If the embryo is discarded, what is the HARM?

ksmoderate 8 years ago

Careful, R_T. If you let your head get any bigger you might have trouble walking through doorways.

rhd99 8 years ago

Bush's & Brownback's arguments are futile, sports fans. They are a part of a party that THRIVES on double standards. How else, then if stem cell research is IMMORAL (according to Bush Administration & Brownback information sources which ARE a bunch of CROCK) are we going to find cures for these horrific diseases? Oh, I know, we'll do the Bush/Cheney/Brownback approach & stick our hand in the air & see which way the wind blows. :D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D GIVE ME A BREAK!

rhd99 8 years ago

Man, I am laughing SO hard today. Where do these Republicans get their information? JERRY FALLWELL? PAT ROBERTSON?! Stop, cut it out!:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D In your Face, Brownback! >:{

Roadkill_Rob 8 years ago

"It's the manner in which Sebelius/Dem Pty of KS/Tiller/Morrison et al have in an exceedingly slimy manner taken on pro-choice and promoted their party thru lies, tons of money and political hackery."

It 's funny how you could substitute some different names and terms and it also holds water. See:

"It's the manner in which Bush/Brownback/Rep Pty of Ks/Kline et al have in an exceedingly slimy manner taken on pro-life and promoted their party thru lies, tons of money and political hackery."

Bradley Kemp 8 years ago

jmadison:

Enough with the tumors. You know, the first few times a heart transplant was tried, it didn't work. The patients died.

But was that a reason to stop the research that eventually made heart transplants fairly routine?

No.

Godot 8 years ago

So now it is okay to sacrifice a few adults along the way, too, right?

A doctor at KU Med actually used that line on one of my family members to convince him to go through with debilitating chemotherapy and surgery that actually caused him to die sooner than he would have without the treatment. Sepsis is a nasty "side effect." Here this guy was already in a compromised mental state from his cancer, and the doctor told him that he would be helping others if he would submit to this experimental treatment. So, of course, being the sweetheart he was, he agreed. And he suffered terribly.

At least it was for the better good, right, Souki?

kmat 8 years ago

A few points to cover here.

The tumor b.s. - we are talking about stem cell RESEARCH. Do I need to explain to you nut jobs that don't care about existing human life that RESEARCH is what takes place to come up with a cure? Do you think that the first RESEARCH done for anything creates the cure? My aunt is a bio-med researcher at Stanford. She has worked on many cancer studies. Out of the work they did, they did find a drug (back in the late 80's) that is still in use (I would have to contact her for which one it is). Do you think it was just magic and poof, here's a new treatment. No, they worked on it for almost a decade. She has been working on some treatments for stroke victims now. They've been on this project for 5 years. RESEARCH takes time and there are always fall backs. IT DOESN'T MEAN YOU STOP THE RESEARCH BECAUSE YOU DIDN'T GET EXACTLY WHAT YOU WANTED THE FIRST TIME!!! If that were the case, we wouldn't have modern medicine or any treatments for anything.

Quit referring to those of us who support this research as killing babies!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Babies aren't being killed. ZYGOTES are being used, which as I explained before are the first cells that haven't even made it to the embryo stage yet. Learn the basics of human reproduction before you go spouting off that we're baby murders.

And anyone that has an issue with a frozen zygote being used for stem cell research needs to get off their asses and have these frozen zygotes, which will be destroyed and no good will come from them, implanted in themselves, their wives, daughters, etc... until none are ever thrown away. If you aren't willing to do this, then you are baby killers because you aren't willing to sacrifice and implant, carry and raise this "possibility" of life. You would rather it be destoyed, which makes you no better than anyone that supports stem cell research. I sure hope you can spell hypocrit, because that's exactly what you are if you allow these zygotes to be destroyed instead of being implanted and born.

So, which way do you want it? Are you ready to get into an OBGYN right now to start the process of the implantation of someone elses unwanted frozen zygote.

It's terrible, but I really want to take those of you opposed to this research to the children's section of the oncology ward at KUMED so you can look those kids in the face to tell them that their lives are less important than the "possible" life contained in a petri dish.

prioress 8 years ago

Save the cells, for the skygod has blessed them everyone! For this we had an Enlightenment? BUSHCO is perverting science at every possible turn and this is just one example.

rhd99 8 years ago

jmadison, & everyone else, I wonder sometimes how it is that BUSH/CHENEY/BROWNBACK get their lame information regarding this stem cell research debate. THANKS TO THEM, this issue has prompted a debate about priorities. Take your pick it's either 1. Saving lives or 2. Protecting one's own pitiful political money pocket book, while claiming to save some lives while showing reckless disregard for other lives. Prove to me that these buffoons have medical research experience as DOCTORS. These three morons & others who CLAIM to support saving lives yet DESPISE stem cell research have no proof that stem cell research provides no long term benefits. The argument of "I support human life, but despise stem cell research", those three morons & anyone else, PARTICULARLY in DC, espousing that view without proper research can take their political inuendos & bribe money & stick it!

rhd99 8 years ago

The swelling of the heads of Bush/Cheney/Brownback is so over bloated, that's why our deficits & debt has skyrocketed, 'cause their egos have bankrupted this country. :D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

Godot 8 years ago

I have a diplomatic compromise. Those of you who are so heavily invested in embryonic stem cell research should get together and create the zygotes needed for years and years of research, and donate them to a private research firm. Who knows, maybe they will be so grateful, they will hire you, as well.

Problem solved.

kmat 8 years ago

Godot - "So now it is okay to sacrifice a few adults along the way, too, right?"

Don't spout more b.s. to show how ignorant of these subjects you are. Sepsis (infection) was not caused by the chemo. It isn't a direct side effect of chemo. Your relative would have already had the infection, which can be easily masked by many other drugs that the patients are taking. The weakening of the body by the chemo can then make it show up worse. This is common with anyone taking chemo and is why everyone dealing with a cancer patient on chemo treatments has to be very careful to make sure they don't pass any germs or illnesses onto the patient.

Don't mess with me when it comes to cancer care. I've spent more time in the oncology wards in the last few years than most will ever have to. The experimental treatments my sister was put on extended her life by almost a year, a year that we were lucky to get. She was told that she would not survive her cancer. She could die within a month or two, have some basic treatments that might give her a few more months, or she could try the treatments she took that would most likely give her more time (which they did) and would help the doctors and research community learn more about the drug and it's effects. I know my sister would have done anything in hopes that it could help create a cure or a drug that could benefit others.

And no one passing from cancer isn't going to suffer terribly. It is one of the worst things that a person could ever dream of going through. You're ignorant comments make me ill. I spent so much time watching my sister deal with the pain, being scared, suffering through treatments. People like you that just don't care about human suffering seriously make me sick to my stomach.

I'm going to go spend my lunch crying. I can't tollerate the lack of respect shown on these message boards. At least it is comforting to see how many do support research that will hopefully keep others from suffering as my sister did. I bet they've experienced similar things.

Donny_Burgess 8 years ago

Please do your best to understand this topic.

A blastocyst / embryo at this stage of development is NOT a person. ----It is basically a glob of SNOT.

It has no feelings, no experinces, no awareness, no favorite TV show, no memory of a first day of school, does not wear diapers, does not know who our buddie Jesus is, does not speak, walk or even think. It doesn't even have a brain. It is a bundle of cells.

Do not allow yourself to be brainwashed into thinking Dr Frankenstein is performing brain surgery in a dark basement and ripping out stem cells from screaming babies.

I have kids. I was once even a blastocyst myself, OK? I understand that an embryo has the potential to become an actual person.

People like RATIONALANIMAL are sickening. pro-iraq, pro-life, denial of global warming republicans need to be irraticated from the face of this planet.

Let's start with the living. Lets start with ACTUAL people before we start defending the rights of gelatin in a plastic dish.

PLease pick a better fight. This shouldnt even be an issue.

Rationalanimal you are waaaayy off. Go to a red county where you are welcome.

Godot 8 years ago

kmat, you are a compassionate soul, aren't you?

The sepsis was a result of the surgery, which was experimental, that followed the weeks of chemo, which had destroyed his immune system.

It is a fact that the doctors coaxed him into undergoing experimental treatment (quite expensive, by the way)by promising him he would be helping others. He told me, personally, that he made his decision to go through with it based on that, alone.

kmat 8 years ago

Godot - I am a very compassionate soul. And I'm sure doctors "coaxed" the person you refer to into having surgery just to benefit themselves. Doctors would never want to help anyone would they?

And I would love to donate all my eggs to be used for stem cell research. If they would do it, I'd leave work right now so they could do it. That's the kind of compassionate person I am.

So, you say you've suffered through watching someone pass from cancer. What do you do to help the cause? I still work with Cancer Action Network to help others that need assistance while they are fighting. Don't accuse me of not being a compassionate person when you don't know dick about me. I'll be the first to admit that I'm the bleeding heart liberal poster child and tend to go out of my way to often to help everyone else while letting myself suffer. I was brought up learning the true meaning of Jesus' teachings and still follow them today. What's funny, I'm not Christian like those of you posting on this board preferring that people die instead of pursuing research that could save their lives. You need to learn what the word compassion means before you comment on others.

kmat 8 years ago

Also Godot, comment on my remarks about how you and your family should be having these zygotes that are about to be destroyed implanted and raised by your family and others that you know. Until you have the guts to discuss that issue, you need to be quiet. Your silence shows your hypocrasy.

Jace 8 years ago

So, Sebelius called Bush "out of touch", eh?

Hmmm............I would have called him a lot more than that! LOL!

Rationalanimal 8 years ago

"quit calling us baby murders"

Ok. You kill human life in gestation. You can't escape killing (or the preferred word "culling") a human life form any way you want to cut it. I go back to my original point: Sebellius and liberals value a feline's life over a human life in gestation. The quenching of the moral conscience is rationalized by the apparition, the fanciful hope of curing other human beings. It is still done at the expense of another human life form.

kmat 8 years ago

Rationalanimal - then why would you think it is ok to kill these frozen zygotes? According to your rational, they are living human beings. Is it ok for selfish couples that won't adopt a child because they must have one of their own allow their own zygotes to be killed because they are left overs from their selfish act of invitro?

If you don't think it's ok, then what are you doing to end invitro fertilization? If you are doing nothing, then you need to be quiet.

And as I have said to Godot, who is refuses to answer, why aren't you and your family members having these zygotes implanted into females in your family so they aren't disposed of and killed? Your unwillingness to do this makes you a baby killer as well because you could do something to save these zygotes lives.

And yes, if all zygotes are valued life, then feline zygotes should be considered the same. We're all God's creatures.

javery 8 years ago

I find it just amazing that these people crusade against abortion and stem cell research because they feel that it's taking 'a human life' while not having nearly as much zeal in pushing for something to be done about Darfur and other similar situations. This just shows to me how much these people only hold their stances because it is the Christian Conservative line and not out of actual Christian principles.

Richard Heckler 8 years ago

Iacocca: Where Have All the Leaders Gone?

American Empire | Books

Excerpt: Where Have All the Leaders Gone?

By Lee Iacocca with Catherine Whitney

04/11/07 "ICH" -- -- -Had Enough? Am I the only guy in this country who's fed up with what's happening? Where the hell is our outrage? We should be screaming bloody murder. We've got a gang of clueless bozos steering our ship of state right over a cliff, we've got corporate gangsters stealing us blind, and we can't even clean up after a hurricane much less build a hybrid car. But instead of getting mad, everyone sits around and nods their heads when the politicians say, "Stay the course." Stay the course? You've got to be kidding. This is America, not the damned Titanic. I'll give you a sound bite: Throw the bums out! You might think I'm getting senile, that I've gone off my rocker, and maybe I have. But someone has to speak up. I hardly recognize this country anymore. The President of the United States is given a free pass to ignore the Constitution, tap our phones, and lead us to war on a pack of lies.Congress responds to record deficits by passing a huge tax cut for the wealthy (thanks, but I don't need it). The most famous business leaders are not the innovators but the guys in handcuffs. While we're fiddling in Iraq, the Middle East is burning and nobody seems to know what to do. And the press is waving pom-poms instead of asking hard questions. That's not the promise of America my parents and yours traveled across the ocean for.

furthermore: http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article17516.htm

jmadison 8 years ago

Parkay has hit the nail on the head

Bradley Kemp 8 years ago

I think Parkay may have hit himself on the head.

kmat 8 years ago

I would like Parkay to show me his/her credentials as a micro-biology/medical researcher to prove that this is true. We've cured juvenile diabetes? What the????

Stem cell research isn't a violation of medical ethics.

Embyros aren't being killed.

Is anyone able to do any research? Get your religious beliefs out of a scientific debate and try backing up your bs claims.

moo 8 years ago

All research takes a long time, the fact that it hasn't yielded much yet is just a testament to a need for more funding and stem cell lines to work with. What's more, those who are so concerned with the medical ethics of stem cell research should push for more federal funding. Even though I disagree with Godot overall, they're right about the fact that Bush isn't stopping stem cell research, merely limiting federal funds. By allowing the private researchers to have a complete monopoly on stem cell research the president is not only boxing federal facilities out of an important area of science and preventing them from hiring many top biomedical researchers, he is also giving up any control over the ethics of the research that takes place. The federal funded human genome project had to dedicate a significant amount of its funding to the ethical dilemas at hand. Private foundations do not have to do that. Allowing federal funding for stem cell research could help ensure that the science is used ethically.

jmadison 8 years ago

For kmat, last week there was a report of 14 of 15 patients being treated with chemotherapy and reimplantation of their own adult stem cells derived from bone marrow, the result being that they no longer needed to take insulin for their type I diabetes. Heres the link http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/health/article1637528.ece

Linda Endicott 8 years ago

Here's an article that involves Bush and his so-called preservation of life. The law that these parents are fighting against was signed into law by Bush when he was governor of Texas.

Here you go...let the hospital decide when your baby gets to die, instead of letting the parents decide.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070410/ap_on_re_us/futile_care_4

KsTwister 8 years ago

I heard about this one last week and it did amaze me. That Roberts and Brownback voted no,did not, but that they voted at all-that amazed me too. Otherwise I will vouch that I am pretty much uninformed and clueless on this issue, so for the info- thanks all.

http://www.inthenews.co.uk/news/health/stem-cell-hopes-diabetes-$1075447.htm

Godot 8 years ago

Posted by moo:

" By allowing the private researchers to have a complete monopoly on stem cell research the president is not only boxing federal facilities out of an important area of science and preventing them from hiring many top biomedical researchers, he is also giving up any control over the ethics of the research that takes place. "

Thank you, moo. My point, entirely. Considering that the government is completely lacking in ethics, it is a good thing it is not in control of the ethics AND the funding of stem cell research.

Let the two be separate. Let the government dictate the ethics, even make laws ruling, stem cell research for the privately funded institutions. Private funding, government oversight.

What a concept!

Godot 8 years ago

"Posted by kmat (anonymous) on April 16, 2007 at 2 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Also Godot, comment on my remarks about how you and your family should be having these zygotes that are about to be destroyed implanted and raised by your family and others that you know. Until you have the guts to discuss that issue, you need to be quiet. Your silence shows your hypocrasy."

My silence shows I have a job and a life. And I have no desire to comb through this thread to find out what you have to say, or to answer your questions.

Godot 8 years ago

Kmat, I read your post. I am very sorry for you.

Godot 8 years ago

"Posted by Godot (anonymous) on April 16, 2007 at 9:28 a.m. (Suggest removal)

KMAT, you are the poster child for the kind of people Sebelius is trying to fool.

The argument is whether federal tax dollars are used to fund the research, or whether researchers have to get their own funding, privately.

That is it. Period."

I was being too generous with Kmat.

Kmat is not an innocent "brainwashee"; Kmat's goal is to appeal to emotion and pervert the real issue. Kmat is one of the "brainwashers." I hope Soros is not too hard on you for your having tipped your hand.

rhd99 8 years ago

I have one more thing to say about this idea of the Governor that Bush is WAY "out of touch" with reality. You know how Bush & the Susan Wagles & Phil Klines, ALONG with Sam Brownback & Dick Cheney all claim that abortion is murder? Well, SO TOO is the inexcusable bypassing of research that can lead to treatments of some VERY horrific diseases, like ALS, Alzheimers, MS, Parkinsons. What the above mentioned numb skulls of American & State politics CONVENIENTLY ignore is that people die from these diseases. Denying treatments & research opportunities is JUST AS MUCH a definition to murder. EAT MY SHORTS, Right wing NUTS!

Porter 8 years ago

"There ARE NO treatments or cures provided by useless, unethical embryonic stem cell research, though it has been federally funded for years, under President Bush, using stem cell lines created prior to 2001." ....good thing we gave it a chance, eh?

parkay, I pray to your mean God that you never have any children that suffer from Juvenile diabetes, paralysis, CF, or any other horrible illness that may someday be cured using federally funded research. I hope you never have to look a sick kid in the eyes and live with your irrational attitudes about science. I hope that you never have to witness a parent slipping into dementia, alzheimer's, or any other horrible sickness.

Do you think your God really loves those zygotes more than the sick kids at Children's Mercy? If so, I want nothing to do with Him or you.

rhd99 8 years ago

THANK YOU PORTER! Parkay, we have no cures or known benefits of research in ESCR BECAUSE OF BUSH! You Right wing nuts don't get it DO YOU? You say you support life, but hate ESCR that could preserve life. Your argument is FLAWED beyond comprehension! It is as antiquated as the dinosaurs!

Godot 8 years ago

There is no federal law restricting embryonic stem cell research.

Godot 8 years ago

There is a law restricting federal funding of embryonic stem cell research, but no law prevents any privately funded stem cell research on embryos. It is not illegal to perform research on human embryos.

What is your problem?

rhd99 8 years ago

Godot, my problem is with BUSH & his so-called expertise on medicine & disease research. He created the restrictions in the first place. Aren't you one bit concerned about the children of this country suffering from these horrific diseases? Bush & republicans forget that you can't support human life & then deny other humans some HOPE for a better life! Again, your arguments are flawed. What is YOUR problem, godot?

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