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April 2, 2007

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Voter turnouts

Past voter turnout for City Commission elections:2005: 38 percent2003: 33 percent2001: 19 percent1999: 23 percent

Voters will decide the future makeup of the Lawrence City Commission and school board Tuesday.

How many voters and where they'll come from, though, are very much open questions heading into the election.

Douglas County Clerk Jamie Shew said he'd be "really thrilled" with a 25 percent turnout in the general election, but said that may be optimistic.

"Our advance voter turnout has been running behind what it was two years ago," Shew said. "My hope is that will just mean a strong voter turnout at the polls, but usually advance turnout is a good predictor of turnout on election day."

Shew late last week said advance voter turnout was about 60 percent below totals from the same time period in 2005. The 2005 general election, though, produced a high voter turnout - 38 percent - by Douglas County standards. The election featured a question on a Constitutional amendment banning same-sex marriage.

Voters will determine the winners of three at-large seats on the five-member City Commission. There's a field of six candidates: James Bush, the former pastor at First Southern Baptist Church; Rob Chestnut, the chief financial officer at Allen Press; Mike Dever, the owner of an environmental consulting firm; Commissioner Boog Highberger, an attorney for the Kansas Department of Health and Environment; Carey Maynard-Moody, a retired school social worker; and Commissioner David Schauner, general counsel of the Kansas National Education Association. Commissioner Mike Rundle is not seeking re-election.

Voters will choose four winners for seats on the school board. There is a field of eight candidates: Mary Loveland, longtime school volunteer; Michael Machell, a human capital partner for Ingenix; Marlene Merrill, former Lawrence school administrator; Rich Minder, collaborative projects coordinator for the Success by Six Coalition of Douglas County; Scott Morgan, president of Morgan Quitno Press; Michael Pomes, environmental scientist; Robert Rauktis, retired neuroradiologist; and Victor Sisk, a retired music teacher.

Polls are open from 7 a.m. to 7 p.m. Tuesday.

Candidates likely will be interested in not only how many voters show up to the polls but also which part of the city they're from. In the February City Commission primary - which produced a turnout of 14 percent - west Lawrence residents came out in greater numbers than east Lawrence residents.

Out of the 49 Lawrence precincts, there were 11 precincts that had a voter turnout of 20 percent or more. Nine of the 11 precincts were west of Iowa Street. On the flip side, there were also 11 precincts that had voter turnout of less than 10 percent. Ten of the 11 precincts were east of Iowa Street.

That split was not kind to the two incumbents. Of the nine high-turnout precincts west of Iowa Street, Schauner did not finish in the top three of any of the them and Highberger finished in the top three of just one. Chestnut and Dever finished in the top three in all nine of the precincts. Bush finished in the top three in eight of them.

Longtime political observer and former Lawrence Mayor Bob Moody said he's not sure what's driving such a geographical split in the city.

"The one thing it may indicate is that the people west of Iowa have some frustrations - for whatever reasons - and they're taking them out at the polls," Moody said.

Overall, though, Moody said the citywide voter turnout rate was "abysmal."

Shew said he was keeping a close eye on voter turnout issues, but said he couldn't find a definitive reason why turnout was low. He said one factor may be that voters are simply getting worn out. Tuesday's election will be the fourth since August.

"Maybe there has been some voter fatigue," Shew said. "Hopefully that won't be the case on Tuesday."

Comments

Michael Capra 8 years, 3 months ago

STOP THOSE WHO LIE

VOTE

Chestnut

Dever

Bush

LETS GET BRAINS BACK ON THE CITY COMMISION

Michael Capra 8 years, 3 months ago

WHAT HAS schauner and boog done

let me tell you

  1. ZERO

Michael Capra 8 years, 3 months ago

OK LET ME TELL YOU WHAT THEY MESS UP

1.10 MILLION ROUNDABOUTS WASTED

2.STUDYS 1 MILLION WASTED A YEAR

3.TRAFFIC CALMING 1.5 MILLION WASTED

4.MORE FLOWERS FOR DOWNTOWN 95000 WASTED

5.AFFORDABLE HOUSING NONE

6.SLT NOT DONE

7.LEGAL FEES 1.2 MILLION WASTED

8.SAY NO TO BIZ LOST SALES TAX 6 MILLION

9.SCHAUNER,BOOG,RUNDLE LEAVING OFFICE

,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,PRICELESS

HOW MANY KIDS COULD YOU HAVE FEED WITH THOSE WASTED DOLLARS

Michael Capra 8 years, 3 months ago

Rundle quit people were bashing him on forums so he says lets have a second of silence NOT,, LEAVE NOW

Richard Heckler 8 years, 3 months ago

Remember if retail,economic and residential impact studies had been executed during the 20 year reign of the real estate/development industry controlling our City,County and planning commissions our retail and residential likely would not be overbuilt today AND higher paying jobs would have been a substantial portion of the growth plan. However those tools were ignored by the business people who were governing Lawrence.

It was said many times "that business people know what they are doing". Obviously they made some seriously wrong decisions instead of using the proper tools of decision making.

Over built retail impacts most every retail establishment in our city thus not allowing them to flourish at maximum benefit to the community.

Overbuilt residential increases taxes and fees in order to pay for the additional cost of community services. Not to mention driving down the value of residential real estate which is currently the order of the day and has been for the past 12 months.

Lawrence,Kansas cannot afford a return to that laissez-faire style of government. Lawrence,Kansas needs to move forward with commissioners who WE KNOW will use the proper tools/resources for decision making.

Vote for Dennis "Boog" Highberger, David Schauner, and Carey Maynard-Moody.

Richard Heckler 8 years, 3 months ago

I surmise that the World Company also developer wants the special interest candidates to win. High voter turn outs typically produce a sensible moderate result rather than a special interest win. Special interest type candidates can get their minority out to vote. Don't stay home on Tuesday April 3rd. Historically high voter turnouts produce the sensible moderate result and give the special interest candidates the boot.

VOTE VOTE VOTE and say NO to special interests and conflicts of interest.

Michael Capra 8 years, 3 months ago

Merrill I cant and wont VOTE for those you say BECAUSE THEY LIE AND I AND ALOT OTHERS WONT VOTE FOR LIARS

Keith 8 years, 3 months ago

How can Vito hope to vote, he lives in Overbrook.

KsTwister 8 years, 3 months ago

I don't Dever would raise property taxes 10% like these guys did already, in just one year. I don't think the explosive overbuild of suburbs and retail could happen to the extent they already gave us in three years. And I tend to hope we won't be sued as much either. The current commission had more developers making money than any other commission to date. And I don't think a new commission could make Lawrence look any more lack luster with bad streets and old water main breaks beneath them. I am tired of seeing streets"cave in", of course they get attention that way. And I am tired of paying for things that businesses should cover themselves, like water sprinklers and taxes.

citymanager 8 years, 3 months ago

Quote: Cary Maynard Moody August 25, 1999 LJWorld Letter to the editor

"These days, when we travel out of state, it is awkward during an introduction to answer the question, "Where are you from?" If you don't lie, we duck. The jeers and guffaws break our hearts. These days, it is more embarrassing then ever to admit we hail from Kansas.

(Don't vote for someone who thinks it's embarrassing to from Kansas, Moody said she is....)

blackwalnut 8 years, 3 months ago

Boog Highberger, David Schauner and Carey Maynard-Moody will work to preserve and improve the city they love.

Chestnut, Bush and Dever will work for the developers - at taxpayer expense.

blackwalnut 8 years, 3 months ago

"(Don't vote for someone who thinks it's embarrassing to from Kansas, Moody said she is....)" Posted by: citymanager

With Fred Phelps making the headlines all over the country, and the state dept of education redefining science to please creationists, I too am embarrassed. What reasonable person wouldn't be?

It is our job as citizens to work for the common good and to make our state laws reflect the best of Kansas, the majority, not the fringe minority.

cowboy 8 years, 3 months ago

Vito on one end and merrill on the other , it equals out !

citymanager 8 years, 3 months ago

Quote: Cary Maynard Moody March 2003 LJWorld article

Farmland Plant.

Cary Maynard Moody of Alliance for the Conservation of Open Space noted the property contained a lot of buffer space between the plant and its neighbors. "This is just pristine the way it is", she said, "They wouldn't need to put much money into making that open space open space, it seems."

Quote: Charles Benjamin

That site's pretty polluted, "Charles Benjamin, attorney for the Kansas Chapter of the Sierra Club. "Frankly, I wouldn't touch it with a ten-foot pole."

          Farmland pristine open space???

opinion 8 years, 3 months ago

As opposed to you and Merrill telling me that I am being bought or am stupid because I have a different view than you on whom to vote for?

citymanager 8 years, 3 months ago

Quote: Cary Maynard Moody February 2007 LJWorld article

Moody says, "I see the big picture: Lawrence is home to many of us, but what people must remember is that Lawrence has a home to. Our home is on the planet earth. The planet has become unstable".

Huh?

altarego 8 years, 3 months ago

I don't know, logboy, but I see the use of the caps key the primary difference between you and 458casul.

Your propoganda is much quieter, but no less transparent.

Michael Capra 8 years, 3 months ago

I yell at you so you might get it.but you pal will never get it SO WHEN YOU PULL THE LEVER DONT VOTE FOR LIARS

Dever

Chestnut

Bush

Dont have a reason to lie

As Schauner,Boog,and Moody do lie about jobs created Zero jobs were created WE LOST OVER 1000 it will be 1003 come april 3

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 8 years, 3 months ago

"WHO IS VITO"

Since you stole that name from a former co-worker, I guess your feigned ignorance has at least a little credibility, Mike.

I just regret that you and Marion weren't able to spread your idiocy on some postcards this time-- they would have been a great boost to the campaigns of Maynard-Moody, Highberger and Schauner.

sourpuss 8 years, 3 months ago

Actually, none of them have any vision, so it doesn't matter who gets elected. None of them will "bring jobs" to Lawrence since that is the Chamber of Commerce's job, not the City Commission's. Lawrence is not attractive to employers, and you can hand out all the abatements you want, they still won't come here.

Elect who you like. You'll all be screaming the same things in two years, just with different names. I'm going to be in the 80%+ that is not voting in this election. Lawrence has terrible leadership. I feel like this is a contest between Ticky-Tack Housing, Inc., and Natural Whole Foods Corp. yawn

citymanager 8 years, 3 months ago

Quote: Cary Maynard Moody July 2001 LJWorld Letter to the editor

Governor Graves' sharply criticized Lawrence, suggesting it doesn't know what it wants to be when it grows up. Moody says, "Does the governor consider Lawrence's successful creation of a reliable transportation alternative, the T, to be the work of a backward community"

"Lawrence is so grown up we can actually move people more efficiently, economically and more pleasantly than in private cars".

Huh?

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 8 years, 3 months ago

"I'm going to be in the 80%+ that is not voting in this election. Lawrence has terrible leadership. I feel like this is a contest between Ticky-Tack Housing, Inc.,"

Then you will, in reality, be voting for Ticky-Tack Housing. Highberger and Schauner have certainly not found the magic formula to reverse the damage of decades of government by cronyism and corporate welfare, but returning to that model of government almost certainly won't accomplish that.

"and Natural Whole Foods Corp. yawn"

Cute phrase, but inaccurate and meaningless.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 8 years, 3 months ago

citymanager--

So far, all I've seen is your ability to paste brief snippets completely devoid of context. That tells me much about your personal biases, but not much about Maynard-Moody as a candidate.

blackwalnut 8 years, 3 months ago

It's a lie for candidates to claim they will work "for the workers" or "for the taxpayers" when they will work for the developers, realtors and construction companies who will profit at taxpayer expense.

It doesn't help Lawrence, or workers, to overbuild at taxpayer expense, creating a bubble that will not be sustainable, followed by businesses going under and people being laid off.

Chestnut, Dever and Bush, I fear, will deliver to the developers who financed them.

We need commissioners who will represent the people, not the deep pockets of special business interests.

BOOG

DAVID

CAREY

rhd99 8 years, 3 months ago

Creating jobs in Lawrence is one thing, retainment of those jobs is entirely different. Under our two ambulance chasing lawyers on this City Commission, they created the jobs but there are problems with their arguments: 1. Those jobs DO NOT pay enough for one to live in Lawrence comfortably, while have enough money at one's disposal after rents or house payments. 2. Why did we lose 900-1000 jobs? Under their rule, there was no vision for keeping those jobs. What the hey about Moody being ashamed of being from Kansas? Two words sum it up very well: FRED PHELPS! Can we all agree there? Now as far as schools go, Morgan & Loveland did not have a healthy vision for Lawrence schools by closing schools. Some people have told me that closing schools sometimes is needed, but the question they never address is WHY schools like Centennial closed. This election is a yawner alright, but by choosing not to vote, the stinken status quo continues. Lawrence is already in the tank, why sink it more?

blackwalnut 8 years, 3 months ago

Job creation is the job of the Chamber of Commerce.

It is sickening to see Lawrence bought and paid for by big money. It is bad enough to see it happen at the national level, but at the grass roots level we hope the people are represented, and not just special business interests.

Developer money makes it possible for Dever, Chestnut and Bush to hire people to make phone calls and deliver signs. Have you noticed? Every rental property, every house on the market, every vacant lot has their signs on it. The realtors are overrepresented with their signage. The other candidates have real citizens working them, volunteering their time, and their signs are in front of real residences.

The sad thing is, the turnout is predicted to be small for this election. It is the developers and realtors, who are licking their chops over the money they will make off Lawrence, who will turn out to vote in droves.

You can buy politicians. Big money does talk. People are apathetic until it is too late. Our nice little town is at risk. I give it five years. The pillaging will begin immediately. It is so sad for Lawrence.

HIGHBERGER MAYNARD-MOODY SCHAUNER

rhd99 8 years, 3 months ago

Hawk, unfortunately Jim Carey isn't running. Lawrence is not that lucky.

lunacydetector 8 years, 3 months ago

send a message to the fascists.....vote for freedom - vote for bush, chestnut and dever!

we need people in power who have an open mind and who REALLY care about our environment! VOTE BUSH, CHESTNUT, AND DEVER!

let freedom reign again in lawrence. send the brownshirts packing.

blackwalnut 8 years, 3 months ago

"Boog's greatest accomplishment? Dada." By: blueharley

Hardly his greatest accomplishment, but although it wasn't Boog's goal, there was a huge bunch of free national publicity for Lawrence over that and it was all positive. I read about it in The New Yorker. When Kansas' national image is shaped by the likes of Fred Phelps, the creationists and our regressive Senators, and it's 100% negative, it can only be a good thing for Lawrence to get some positive publicity. And it was free. You could never afford it if you had to pay for it.

rhd99 8 years, 3 months ago

Marion & blackwalnut, ambulance chasing lawyers create more bureaucratic hardships for everyone than they are willing to pay for. "Objection" says our two ambulance chasers. OVERRULED say the voters. Chestnut, Dever & Bush.

Porter 8 years, 3 months ago

I guess I'll be voting for Boog, Schauner, and Moody. Want to know why?

The folks on this forum advocating the incumbents have written out logical arguments using our "official" language.

The "writers" on this forum advocating Bush, Dever, and Chestnut write like 2nd graders. THAT INCLUDES YOU, 458.

That tells me all I need to know.

rhd99 8 years, 3 months ago

Those of you who are SOOO proud of our ambulance chasers, why should I trust red-tape proponents who do not want Lawrence to grow?

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 8 years, 3 months ago

To echo Porter, I wouldn't vote for anyone who would appeal to you, rhd99, given your obvious lack of skills in critical thinking.

rhd99 8 years, 3 months ago

Bozo, WHAT do you know about this election? Since you know EVERYTHING, why don't you tell us why Lawrence lost so many jobs over the years that BOOG & Schauner have held office?

blackwalnut 8 years, 3 months ago

There does seem to be a lot of irrational anger and name-calling on this blog - and it is mostly from one side.

I would rather discuss the issues and the candidates. Facts, please, not slurs.

rhd99 8 years, 3 months ago

Thank you blackwalnut. Now, BACK to my question earlier, why the job losses under Boog & Schauner? Aren't these two lawyers poponents of more red-tape ridden regulations that prohibit business-economic development for Lawrence?

altarego 8 years, 3 months ago

Boog's greatest accomplishment? Dada." By: blueharley

Well, I have to say that Dada (Boog didn't create the movement) was, in fact, a deeply intelligent piece of humor that cost the city comission a total of about 3 minutes worth of time. To be fair, Dada is less an indictment of Boogs intelligence and/or respect for the city than it is an indication of his political naivete. If this turns out to be the greatest accomplishment of the commission during Boogs time there, it's not his fault.

Also in fairness, I have to say that I have met Chestnut and Dever personally, and neither occur to me to be anything other than a couple of hardworking guys ready to serve the community.

Then again, that might be my own political naivete.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 8 years, 3 months ago

"Since you know EVERYTHING, why don't you tell us why Lawrence lost so many jobs over the years that BOOG & Schauner have held office?"

I don't really believe that the city commission can do much in the job-creation department. The data on net job creation here are murky at best, but the unemployment rate in Lawrence has actually dropped in the last four years. So it's a non-issue, at best.

blackwalnut 8 years, 3 months ago

rhd99, substituting the word "ambulance chasers" for "lawyers" is the kind of dirt I was referring to. I don't see that kind of irrational stuff from supporters of Boog, Carey and David.

A lot of dirty politics were conducted in the last election, including downright lies about Schauner etc. He won anyway. Maybe ugly politics doesn't work anymore.

blackwalnut 8 years, 3 months ago

"Also in fairness, I have to say that I have met Chestnut and Dever personally, and neither occur to me to be anything other than a couple of hardworking guys ready to serve the community.

Then again, that might be my own political naivete."

Yup.

Follow the money.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 8 years, 3 months ago

"Yup. Follow the money."

Dever and Chestnut may very well be fair-minded guys who would like to listen to all sides of an issue before making a decision.

But the folks who have given them double the amount of campaign cash over what anyone has ever recieved before aren't expecting them to be fair-minded. They are expecting them to vote in their favor each and every time, and you can bet there will be a lot of pressure for them to do so by those who have bought the access.

altarego 8 years, 3 months ago

I guess i should note, in interest of full disclosure, how hard the builders and realtors I know personally work. If these are the people ya'll are accusing of somehow organizing everything thats wrong with Lawrence, I would have to hear a more convincing argument than 'follow the money'. When I follow the money, I see that the lion's share of financial support goes to CDB. I see people showing there support with campaign dollars. There are a number of countries in which you can live that outlaw this sort of practice. Me, I'll take the good ol' USA. Oops, I said "ol'" Better not vote for my candidates!! (Lord, I didn't know how easy it was to influence an election with dead grammas and CAPS LOCK).

Mkh 8 years, 3 months ago

VOTE for Doug Compton and Gene Fritzel!

Their names will be encoded on the ballot as Dever/Chesnut.

rhd99 8 years, 3 months ago

How much money on governmental red tape waste was spent under Highberger & Schauner? More lawyers=more waste.

educ8r 8 years, 3 months ago

Has anyone questioned why Marlene Merrill would take "early retirement" from the Lawrence school district, then spend an hour and a half commuting to and from KCK every day to do essentially the same job? Common sense (and my sources) would indicate that she was forced into "early retirement" by the Lawrence school district. I work in the same (Kansas City) district she is in now. Ask around and no one knows who she is or what she does, although I've heard her campaigning is currently taking up most of her work day. If I were a Lawrence resident, I would seriously question how someone who squanders the time and resources of an urban district will improve the Lawrence school district.

shockchalk 8 years, 3 months ago

Chestnut, Dever, and Bush..........a welcome change to the current city commission!

rhd99 8 years, 3 months ago

The waste you're talking about EM comes from teethless ordinances that were written on paper yet NEVER enforced. Government waste, it's all in the money!

opinion 8 years, 3 months ago

EmJones, "It would be a lot more honest if the developer-backed candidates would just come out and say they believe all the building being proposed by the developers would be good for Lawrence."

and

"It is clear the developers' projects will let them rake in a bundle, and taxpayers will have to foot the bill."

Can get a response like:

"If you have facts please post them. I see only innuendos and veiled slurs in your post."

opinion 8 years, 3 months ago

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus,

In regards to your 11:17am post:

What kind of pressure could the contibutors put on the candidates after the election?

altarego 8 years, 3 months ago

"That realtors work hard is irrelevant."

OK, I'll give you that. But during this campaign, part of the rhetorical lines have encircled the development community (Realtors and builders), and painted them as thieves.

I guess I have to have been in Lawrence a lot longer than I have to understand the villification of builders. All I hear is a bunch of noise and people using the word "sprawl" as if they can achieve their goals without the votes of newer people living in that 'sprawl'.

I also am confused at the mystery of candidate being supported by a 'business'. I don't know about you, but I buy my grocerys with a paycheck I get from a business. I'm a bit of a whore that way. You? I didn't realize that business was a secret crime in these parts.

Whatever happens, I have to say that home building is a noble occupation regardless of who is running for the next city functionary job.

Good Luck.

blackwalnut 8 years, 3 months ago

In educ8r's post, "no one I know knows who she is or what she does" made the leap to "squanders the resources of an urban community". That's an unfounded slur. I don't know Merrill and I don't know if she slacks off on her job in KC but this poster doesn't seem to know it either, yet feels qualified to suggest it.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 8 years, 3 months ago

"What kind of pressure could the contibutors put on the candidates after the election?"

Chestnut, Dever (and Bush) obviously consider these people their peers, and the phenomenon is called peer pressure, which is accomplished in a variety of ways. If you're unaware of this aspect of human culture(s), you should really get out more.

blackwalnut 8 years, 3 months ago

I think the naivety being expressed in this forum is pretend naivety.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 8 years, 3 months ago

"I think the naivety being expressed in this forum is pretend naivety."

Along with its perfect companion, "willful ignorance."

blackwalnut 8 years, 3 months ago

"But during this campaign, part of the rhetorical lines have encircled the development community (Realtors and builders), and painted them as thieves."

That would be because the developers have behaved as if the community and taxpayers owe them something - owe them approval of every expensive, profitable, taxpayer-funded project they dream up.

Taxpayer dollars are precious. Just because the developer dreams up a project, the city isn't obligated to fall in line and approve it. The city does not owe the developers a living.

That developers refuse to take no for an answer, and keep re-presenting the same plans with tiny changes over and over again, and cost the city hundreds of thousands of dollars in legal fees because they refuse to take no for an answer, have rightfully earned developers a certain amount of opposition among citizens and taxpayers.

Let the developers propose cost-effective, livable, sustainable solutions and the city will approve them.

People didn't just wake up one morning and decide to feel threatened by developers. Certain developers have acted like bullies, instead of like partners of the community. Certain developers are giving developers a bad name.

opinion 8 years, 3 months ago

I've been out some. Thanks for the suggestion though.

Seems to me that some believe that the business community went out and recruited people to run and told them they would give money for favors after the election. Is there somewhere you could point me to support that idea? Or could it be, that people put their hat in the ring, individuals and business groups listened to what they had to say and then decided that what they were saying made sense and they wanted to support them?

I am sorry that some find it so hard to believe that individuals with no uncommon financial stake in this election would vote for Chestnut, Dever and Bush but their appear to be several such as myself that will vote for those three. I am doing so after careful consideration and recognize that others have come to different conclusions. I have yet to feel the need to imply that they are naive or ignorant or that there is some big conspiracy influencing their vote.

blackwalnut 8 years, 3 months ago

You are basing your vote on this forum? Ay yi yi yi yi!

Good luck.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 8 years, 3 months ago

No one claims that there is some "conspiracy." But anyone thinking that the kind of money being thrown at these candidates doesn't come with expectations is, indeed, naive.

If you believe that fulfilling those expectations, which have primarily to do with promoting very narrow financial interests, is in the best interest of Lawrence, then that's likely how you will vote, if you vote at all.

If you think that there is much more to be taken into consideration in running city government, then you will likely vote otherwise.

rhd99 8 years, 3 months ago

Oh, please, EM. What did Schauner & Boog accomplish while in City Hall? Oh, by the way, since everyone here doubts the validity of our own Chamber's report on job losses, then how do you explain the job losses in Lawrence? By the way, to the person who said that National economy is good, 1. That does not mean Lawrence has reaped any benefits. 2. Ridiculous costs for housing & absurdly high monthly apartment rental rates don't help an economy either when wages stagnate & costs keep going up.

blackwalnut 8 years, 3 months ago

How would Dever, Chestnut and Bush create high-paying jobs in Lawrence?

How would Dever, Chestnut and Bush reduce housing prices and rents?

rhd99 8 years, 3 months ago

How did Boog & Schauner help lower housing prices & rents?

How did Boog & Schauner create high paying jobs in Lawrence?

rhd99 8 years, 3 months ago

This is a two way street, sports fans. Seems to me either way, the taxpayers of Lawrence get screwed by either the lawyers or the top notch real estate developers.

rhd99 8 years, 3 months ago

EM don't forget Mass Street Deli, unless you have had bad food experiences there.

KsTwister 8 years, 3 months ago

http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2003/aug... [ans to hawk] "Lawrence City Commissioner David Schauner isn't happy. He voted this week to raise his constituents' city property taxes 10 percent and to make cuts in virtually every city department. The city has budgeted to spend more than $43 million, making up the difference by spending money saved from previous years."

But please notice that the roundabouts, speed bumps and traffic calming devices continued to get funding (and water sprinklers for downtown business owners). Among other things still no road or SLT(which could save damage done by some of these large 18 wheelers). Our taxes are paying for the abuse. What will it be levy or library? I am curious to see which will get appropriated funding first. Better buy some zip lock bags for your wallet.

We don't care how anyone votes. We want Lawrence to do better, look better and plan for repairs and unforeseen necessities like we taught our families to do.

rhd99 8 years, 3 months ago

EM, so far Boog & Schauner have not shown how they brought higher paying jobs for Lawrence. Their claims on those jobs has continually been under question based upon a study by the Chamber that no one accepts. The chamber staff members are not running for elective office, they are providing a report that shows that for 5 years, there have been job losses. They don't target Schauner or Boog, but haven't these two been in office all this time during these job losses? Again, at the risk of being accused of bashing lawyers, I say to you, Boog & Schauner are proponents of red tape regulations that will only hurt Lawrence, how? If we re-elect Boog & Schauner, then Lawrence will be guaranteed of being a bed-room community without exercising economic independence, & that is why housing & rent have gone sky high while wages stagnate under their watches. You don't like this cold reality we're facing, do you? Well, EM & others if you think this is not presenting an alternative, then you tell me how Lawrence needs to respond.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 8 years, 3 months ago

"One reason we need a change is that Lawrence is perceived as being business unfriendly. You can argue all you want that it isn't, but that is the general perception."

Yea, and there are lots of anorexic girls who are convinced that they are fat, too.

rhd99 8 years, 3 months ago

Well, EM, how are your candidates going to do any better? How is Lawrence business friendly under Schauner & Highberger's tenure at City Hall?

camper 8 years, 3 months ago

Can anyone advise where the voting booths are? Are they the same locations we go to for presidential/congress elections?

Thanks

KsTwister 8 years, 3 months ago

Unless the precincts were remapped at the last minute they should be.

citymanager 8 years, 3 months ago

Quote: Cary Maynard Moody March 2003 LJWorld article

RE: 467-acre Farmland Plant. Cary Maynard Moody of Alliance for the Conservation of Open Space noted the property contained a lot of buffer space between the plant and its neighbors. "This is just pristine the way it is", she said, "They wouldn't need to put much money into making that open space open space, it seems."

Quote: Charles Benjamin

That site's pretty polluted, "Charles Benjamin, attorney for the Kansas Chapter of the Sierra Club. "Frankly, I wouldn't touch it with a ten-foot pole."

Farmland pristine open space???

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 8 years, 3 months ago

Still obsessed with quoting out of context, eh, citymanager?

Kodiac 8 years, 3 months ago

"Housing and rent have gone up in part because of an influx of families who have moved here from the Kansas City area and Topeka, and who still work there. Half my neighborhood consists of commuters who used to live where they worked." - Em Jones

I'd like to see your references for that statement. I know many people who used to work in Lawrence but now commute for various reasons including better pay and better opportunities. Of course that is merely a personal observation which many not reflect what is actually happening.

blackwalnut 8 years, 3 months ago

"Business unfriendly" is a buzzphrase that has been bandied about by developers.

It means "we didn't get our lavish, expensive, unnecessary, highly profitable, taxpayer-funded project approved."

Too bad.

blackwalnut 8 years, 3 months ago

The University of Kansas is the main employer, and like all state universities they pay less than industry does for similar skills. Most people who work at KU could get more money if they worked in industry. Most people who live in this town do because it's a university town and they love the quality of life here. Professors and university employees don't make the highest wages - never have, never will. It's a fact of life in a university town.

The Chamber of Commerce needs to attract biotech and other small, clean industries that would capitalize on the university. That is their job.

altarego 8 years, 3 months ago

"I love the brainwashed comment about how hard the developturds and their ilk work, like the rest of us sit about all day with taking tokes from a bong and listening to rock and roll."

Anytime. Not that there's anything wrong with bongs and rock & roll.

"Most people who live in this town do because it's a university town and they love the quality of life here."

I am curious to see how "most people" in this town vote. I just looked through the contributors to Chestnut and Dever. Good gosh I know A LOT of those people. I must tell them how naive and stupid they are.

The mysterious heart of Lawrence shall be revealed on the morrow.

blackwalnut 8 years, 3 months ago

alterego writes: "I just looked through the contributors to Chestnut and Dever. Good gosh I know A LOT of those people. I must tell them how naive and stupid they are."

You may think others are stupid for voting a certain way. I don't. I think Dever supporters are voting their own personal, very short-sighted, very short-term economic interest. That is very different from the economic interests of everyone in Lawrence. That does not sustain the qualify of life for everyone in our community.

Take the money and run! Like the developers did when they built west Lawrence (overbuilt) and that congested ugly mess on South Iowa (Pier I closing is just the beginning). I don't want more of the same.

Keith 8 years, 3 months ago

"One reason we need a change is that Lawrence is perceived as being business unfriendly. You can argue all you want that it isn't, but that is the general perception."

So, because the devo community creates this propaganda line, and idiots parrot it, we need to change our elected officials? Thank you Fox News.

Michael Capra 8 years, 3 months ago

For the ones who dont get it

Why Schauner,boog and Moody are messed up

1.hemp factory jobs 8.00 an hr

2.1800 jobs created, not we lost 1000 Liars

3.10 million wasted on roundabouts

4.traffic calming 1.2 million wasted

5.legal fees 1.2 million wasted

6.slt not done

7.say no to biz 6 million in sales tax gone

8.affordable housing none

9.schauzner,boob,rundle leaving office

,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,PRICELESS

DONT VOTE FOR LIARS

VOTE FOR A CHANGE

Chestnut

Dever

Bush

KsTwister 8 years, 3 months ago

Maybe the business unfriendly came from the restraurants(Hereford house for one)and bars after the smoking ban, Motels and hotels for adding 5%guest tax,not allowing Cracker Barrel and Red Lobster for their sign ordinance(which incidentally is the same size as the Tanger sign,SpongeBob and balloons,and not making more effort to keep companies (Honeywell, Kingston Printing). Let alone any new businesses. Maybe thats why?

Michael Capra 8 years, 3 months ago

emjones all you have said is doom and gloom so just,,BACK AWAY FROM THE BONG

Its called commen sence back on the comish

HMcMellon 8 years, 3 months ago

What with all these repetitive posts crap about Chestnut, Dever and Bush?

Looks like the developers and their shills are making a last minute push to get the tax and spenders back on the City Commission. Looks like they want to start raising our taxes again to pay for infrastructure so the developers won't have to.

Talk about deja vu. If those three fiscal liberals end up on the City Commission, we'll be back to the same olf crap that we had in the 1990s with our taxes going up and up to support more sprawl, more traffic, and more bitching commuters.

Speaking of the bitching communters, some of them are not only complain about everything, they also aren't very smart. It makes no logical sense for the commuters to support these three tax and spenders. This time around, you commuters will have to pay higher taxes the same as the rest of us, and you'll have to deal with all the increased traffic the same as all the rest of us.

shockchalk 8 years, 3 months ago

Well, the good news is this. After tomorrow, you won't have to worry about the PLC's Schauner, Highberger, and Maynard-Moody. The voters in Lawrence are more intelligent than some give them credit for and they WILL vote in Chestnut, Dever, and Bush.

KsTwister 8 years, 3 months ago

"The taxpayer should never subsidize business or "buy" jobs, like Dever, Chestnut, and Bush want to do."

Show your proof, put up. I need to see it --here is your chance to change a mind. Hello??? I don't want your interpretation I want a document or article. Get it I'll wait.

Michael Capra 8 years, 3 months ago

hey logboy have never cut and paste anything you scared of the truth every thing in that post is the truth,forgot one

10.THE MERC DOSNT PAY LIVING WAGE 8.00 AN HR MERC BOY

KsTwister 8 years, 3 months ago

First article is interpretation by author.-No Proof but this is the BioScience Serological that Shauner said he wants to bring to Lawrence,proof in this that won't happen.

Second article - Is a 1998 article. Just what does that have to do with the cost of tea in China? Packerware is now Berry Plastics.This is too old to be relevant

Third article another 1992 old news of no relevance. Even the names have changed -to protect the innocent???

The rest old, old articles. You lost.

Michael Capra 8 years, 3 months ago

LOGBOY IS THAT ALL YOU HAVE TO SAY ABOUT PROVING MY POST FALSE COME ON LOGBOY AND YES IM YELLING AND DWP

boxturtle 8 years, 3 months ago

This town doesn't need any more ugly sprawl. I'm voting "Boog" Highberger, David Schauner, and Carey Maynard-Moody.

KsTwister 8 years, 3 months ago

log: It is very amusing to note that what you are accusing Bush,Dever and Chestnut about has only been done by your current and past commissions. You could not connect them to anything but your own misguided perception. Better luck next time.

Michael Capra 8 years, 3 months ago

1.SCHAUNER IS THE BIGGEST SPRAWLER FOX FIRE

Michael Capra 8 years, 3 months ago

NOT TILL YOU TELL US LOG BOY HOW MY STATEMENTS ARE FALSE IN DETAIL YOU CANT,, ALL WASTED MONEY

Michael Capra 8 years, 3 months ago

VOTE FOR A CHANGE OF BRAINS

Chestnut

Dever

Bush

Michael Capra 8 years, 3 months ago

VOTE FOR PEOPLE THAT DONT LIE

VOTE FOR TRUTH

Dever

Chestnut

Bush

blackwalnut 8 years, 3 months ago

Bush, Dever, Chestnut: 1. oppose raising the minimum wage from $5.15 2. oppose creating affordable housing

Highberg, Schauner, Maynard-Moody: 1. in favor of raising the minimum wage 2. in favor of creating affordable housing

Who cares about the people of Lawrence? Who is concerned about the high cost of housing? Who has put their positions behind their rhetoric on wages and housing?

HIGHBERGER SCHAUNER MAYNARD-MOODY

coneflower 8 years, 3 months ago

West Lawrence and South Iowa are ugly and uninviting.

I don't want more uncontrolled sprawl.

I'm voting for a livable community:

Boog Highberger David Schauner Cary Maynard Moody

blackwalnut 8 years, 3 months ago

The answer to businesses struggling is NOT to add more retail.

dadaism 8 years, 3 months ago

Highberger and Schauner don't have a chance. The people of Lawrence have watched them make poor choices one after the other. Never has City Hall been this dysfunctional. The city commission needs to get some respect back from the entire community.

The fat lady is warming up and will sing for them Tuesday night.

Vote Highberger and Schauner out and send them on their way:.

KsTwister 8 years, 3 months ago

Log:At the top of my list is NOT that Dever,Bush and Chestnut brings jobs. I want people who can decipher needs of the city,balance a checkbook and someone who will not CONSTANTLY ask taxpayers for help for setting priorities and working toward them and not squandering dollars on 10+ studies of the same issue(SLT for one). But it is a long list and they have to earn our trust too. It will be awhile before they can slow what has already been set in motion-for those lawsuits and infrastructure needs I hold the current commission accountable. After which its the next commission. Sleep well. I know I will.

Marion: Yes they are. I really want to apologize for voting for one of them long ago. I am sorry.

jonas 8 years, 3 months ago

Vote Bush Chestnut Dever?

Vote Carey Maynard Moody, David Schauner, and Boog Highberger?

Errr. . . . do we have to vote for these people as a fixed triumvirate, or do we actually have the ability to mix it up a little?

I know I know, political heterogeneity, such a terrifying thought. . . .

So. . . are we actually able to vote for individual candidates? This thread makes it seem like we can't.

Keith 8 years, 3 months ago

"Keith - Do you think our Assistant City Manager is an idiot,too?

From the Nov.13 LJW....

'Hang around City Hall long enough and you're bound to hear someone call the city's development process "business unfriendly."

A new report commissioned by city leaders stopped short of giving that label to the approval process that new projects must go through, but it does recommend upward of $1 million worth of enhancements to the system.

"It showed, bottom line, there are opportunities for improvement," Assistant City Manager Debbie Van Saun said.'"

BlueHarley, That's a pretty good response to a loaded question, the most she would admit was that there was room for improvement. From the looks of your quote, the lead sentence in the article was never put to her as a question. Yep, I just went back and read the whole article, the lead line was just to grab your attention. Notice how the reporter backed away from it in the second paragraph? So, no I don't think the assistant city manager is an idiot. Nice out of context cut and paste though, can you give Vito lessons?

coneflower 8 years, 3 months ago

Developers: just go away.

You made a mess west of Harvard: neighborhoods without trees, neighborhoods without parks.

You made a mess on South Iowa: ugly sprawl with streets that are hard to navigate and big box stores galore that are starting to go out of business already (Pier I).

Now you want taxpayers to pay for a $30 million library, a new post office after you raze the old one, the roads and sewers and parking for a huge retail mess at 6th & Vermont that will take business away from everywhere else, and the piece de resistance: a WalMart at 6th and Wakarusa where there is already too much traffic and too much retail (especially after the done deal of shops in the NE cornfield) - ruining the neighborhood you overbuilt.

Developers, just go away - and take your paid-for yes-men Dever, Chestnut and Bush with you.

Leave managing Lawrence to those who care about the town.

coneflower 8 years, 3 months ago

KsTwister:

You want "proof" that Dever/Chestnut/Bush want taxpayers to pay to bring business.

Dever/Chestnut/Bush oppose any kind of use fee that would make developers share in the cost of infrastructure requirements for new development, like sewers and roads. They want the taxpayers to pay for it all.

That ain't fair.

KsTwister 8 years, 3 months ago

And who do you think gave all those developers the go ahead in the last 3 years? The Planning Commission ,who do they support -you guessed it.

"John Haase, a Lawrence-Douglas County planning commissioner and owner of a Lawrence collection agency, gave $500 to Schauner, Maynard-Moody and Highberger." Mar28.2007

Enough said. I tired of listening to crickets and ticking clocks.

altarego 8 years, 3 months ago

Ahhh, this has been fun.

I thank you all for a fine education on Lawrence politics. Really.

I agree with coneflower in that the managing of the town should be left to those who care about it. We'll find out who that is tomorrow.

blackwalnut 8 years, 3 months ago

The mess on South Iowa and west of Wakarusa went in before 3 years ago.

blackwalnut 8 years, 3 months ago

What do students care about? Jobs? Wages? Rent?

Highberger, Moody and Schauner support increasing the minimum wage, making businesses that accept tax breaks pay a wage above the poverty level, and requiring some affordable housing in new developments.

The other candidates oppose all those positions.

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