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September 23, 2006

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To the editor:

It seems Hugo Chavez, president of Venezuela, has been surfing the Internet. He called George W. Bush the devil in his speech to the U.N. General Assembly. Has he been indulging himself in the far-left blogosphere hatched from right here in the United States of America; maybe some blogs right here in Lawrence? It sounds like it to me.

Those who live under the umbrella of freedom that has been provided by numerous wars fought by millions of dedicated American servicemen and women should stop and think for a moment the next time they get on their computer and start engaging in calling our president evil, or a terrorist, or a warmonger, or an idiot.

Tom Shewmon,

Linwood

Comments

as_I_live_and_breathe 8 years, 3 months ago

swbsow says You say but we'll get killed, attacked, horrible things will happen but you don't understand that is what the terrorist want you to think so you'll do what they want.

So, 9/11 was all just a bad dream? no one got killed attacked or had horrible things happen to them. It's all just a big lie made up by Bush?

Chavez is a pig. I say put them on the list of places to bomb after we're done with Pakistan and Iran.

as_I_live_and_breathe 8 years, 3 months ago

lol I'm ok till they start the Bush is Hitler crap. Jees what were they doing in history class?

There are several little Hitlers out there and they all fall right in lock step with them.

I notice none of these people actually want to go live in any of these places that their beloved idols come from. (Probably a good thing cuz I hear it's hard to type with no hands.) they just want to stay here and make america crappy and hideous too.

Godot 8 years, 2 months ago

"So basically the message is people died for all our freedoms including the right to free speech, so shut the hell up. Nice."

No, it means, out of respect for the sacrifice these millions have made, think, seriously, about the ramifications of your exercise of free speech, before you post.

bearded_gnome 8 years, 3 months ago

uh, BMOD, those KKK members were generally Democrats.

bearded_gnome 8 years, 3 months ago

BMod, now engages in the usual mindless smear tactics of the left, who for no obvious reason, wants to call conservatives racist, when it is the democrats who promoted the "great society" which singlemindedly destroyed black families by moving the fathers out. and, keeping blacks on the "welfare plantation!"

please, BMod, try to be at least a little more original in your thinking.

bearded_gnome 8 years, 3 months ago

Righty, no, I don't work for travelocity...I was a gnome before there was a travelocity. and that stupid nymrod gnome who works for travelocity is so stupid he probably is a closet loony lib. ...but thanks for the compliment and thanks for keeping up with the lib junk spewed here.

Emily Hadley 8 years, 2 months ago

Ooooooooo K.

I'd say every person who uses those words gives them some thought before blogging.

It is that which so many died for that many "far-left blogosphere" types feel needs to be sustained for us to survive as a nation and state.

I don't know about you, but when I look up, it's the Patriot Act umbrella I see.

as_I_live_and_breathe 8 years, 2 months ago

BmoD, My father in law is a democrat and HATES most non- whites.

Vorlon says: When the seeds America has sown bear their fruit; that fruit will be BITTER.

And we will have illegals here to pick it for us..... because regardless of your wrong headed mind set, America rocks and most sensible humans see that and want to be just like us.

as_I_live_and_breathe 8 years, 3 months ago

Brian, Honey you have the freedom to live anywhere you want. PLanes fly in and out of here several times a day Where does it say that you have to stay?

Go--- run free----

You say: "Come on Chavez, take over the US and save the good people of this country. I'll vote for you. "

lol I think if he "takes over the U.S." we won't get a chance to vote, dufus.

You should save him the trouble of taking over our country....I bet Vensuala would be happy to have a hard working productive citizen like you.... Go there and peace be with you.

as_I_live_and_breathe 8 years, 3 months ago

OH wait, are you a criminal....? Brian because I think unlike america, other counties won't let you in if you are a convicted bad guy.... you're not a bad guy are you.....????

bearded_gnome 8 years, 3 months ago

BMod: historical fact. who were the KKK leaders, such as Senator Robert Byrd, D. WVA.

prairiepollyana 8 years, 3 months ago

Posted by LAD626 (anonymous) on September 24, 2006 at 1:06 p.m.

It's so easy to wrap yourself in the american flag and defend what's going on.

On that point you have it right.

bearded_gnome 8 years, 3 months ago

as to my personal beliefs about Israel...that's not relevant to the thread BMod, and you're engaging in a very popular loony lib tact on these boards: change the subject, throw personal aspersions and use invective instead of actual argumentation. I only wish for good to come to Israel, as it is the only functional democracy in the middleeast. and, in israel, arabs are freer than are syrian, lebanese, egyptian or jordanian arabs.

ASBESTOS 8 years, 3 months ago

Back to the reason for the thread...Loud mouthed Chavez and his lackies. Well a little development, it seems some of the TSA folks, (who I would say are usually gonna vote democrat) held up the Venezuelan Foriegn Minister, stripped him and searched heim. The also (heaven forbid) yelled at him! This is from the FM's remarks, so I doubt it happened, but if it did....GOOD JOB TSA and KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK!

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060923/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/venezuela_us

bearded_gnome 8 years, 3 months ago

nice job Asbestos. agree w/all your points, and it certainly isn't an "illegal" war...apart from the U.N., Saddam repeatedly violated the peace treaty that ended the 1991 war to liberate Kuwait, so we * didn't even need U.N. sanction for it to be legal!

Righty, you're a bit off the mark. much of it for the lib/loonies is not about getting their power back, etc., it is simply about emoting for them. they are so filled with bush-hate! they are so filled with petulant childish anger at not getting their way, they don't care about the safety of the country, or doing what is right; they simply want to vent their anger about Bush.

ASBESTOS 8 years, 3 months ago

BTW, it was Koffi Annan that told the idiot from Iran NOT to comply with the "unrainum enrichment resolutions".

Great thing for the Sec. General to do. Haven't heard much about THAT in the news form the Terrorist and Iranian apologist Bush haters.

Speakout 8 years, 3 months ago

I totally agree with the writers above. It is time for Americans to stand up and smell the dung we have been handed. It is "WE THE PEOPLE" not "ME THE PRESIDENT".

The road we are travelling on is not what I risked my life for. It is the freedom we have, nothing else.

If we want to win the war on Terror, we have to stop terrorizing. We must stop supporting anyone who is determined to wage war aggressively. We will come to the defense of those who cannot defend themselves, but not start a war for oil, politics and religion.

drewdun 8 years, 3 months ago

Let's see: our troops fought and died for us to be free and live in a free society. But to actually utilize that freedom is un-American and lets 'the terrorists win.'

Jesus, I will never comprehend the consistent hypocrisy and sheer stupidity of right-wingers. They are the ones who are truly 'un-American.' Small government my a$$. Authoritarian clowns is more like it.

Tychoman 8 years, 3 months ago

Hear hear, logic04. What a tasteless letter.

ASBESTOS 8 years, 3 months ago

"Who the hell do you see saying that Hugo Chavez is better than Bush?"

Well David B did.

Linda Endicott 8 years, 2 months ago

If you want them to stop terrorizing us, it might be a good idea to get them to love us. Or at least to understand us.

ASBESTOS 8 years, 3 months ago

That is the line of thinking why the left will not win this election period.

Godot 8 years, 3 months ago

"Ask any of them to drag their KKK sheets out of the closet and ask about the Jews being Christians. "

Would that be those sheets monogrammed with the big "D" for Democrat?

Just clarifying, here.

yourworstnightmare 8 years, 3 months ago

I agree with Nancy Pelosi that Chavez is a cheap Simon Bolivar wannabee. Chavez's comments, as a head of state, did more harm to him than to Bush. There are plenty of policies on which a head of state can criticize Bush. Calling Bush "the devil" was an amateurish act unbecoming a true head of state.

Diplomats and leaders should stick to Bush's failed policies. There is plenty to go around.

ASBESTOS 8 years, 3 months ago

Good lord, you guys are banging on Bush, while letting "hugo" slide, and quoting from the Chomsky book??

How about ole Hugo, where in the world does he get "rights" that are only guarnteed by the Constitution to CITIZENS? There are human rights, but Hugo Chaves was denounced by Pelosi AND Rangle.

Only socialists left wing wacko's who hate their very own country would agree with this bilge. Hugo had the right to speak at the UN, he is a leader of state, but there is no accounting for class or statesmanship. For all you bitching and whining, just compare Hugo or Iran's nutcase to BUsh, and look me in the eye and tell me that Bush is worse than either of these 2 totalitarians, and has eroded democracy more than these 2 idiots.

It simply won't wash.

Bush may not be Listening to YOU and YOUR OPINIONS, however, you still have the right to free speech to just knock off the tired "I hate XXXX" and let's move on and solve problems.

The whole "Bush lied People died" and "Mislead us into war", has been discredited by severla facts, but the main one was the ENTIRE CONGRESS VOTED FOR THIS THING AS WELL SEEING THE SAME INTEL>

SO get real. IF you are a democrat and want to win seats, give up this old rtired bitching about bush and get n issue that is true, and actually helps out the Country.

Overturning NAFTA, CAFTA, and SEALING the BORDER, could win the Dems the election. But the party has nothing but hate to run on. That's not enough in the information age, because the masses can actually check out facts and find out just who is lying. WIth the change in the polling, I would say the masses are getting wise to the Democrats campaign of "I hate Bush".

Time to change the DNC diapers, they are full and stinky.

ASBESTOS 8 years, 3 months ago

"Comparisons of Bush to Chavez or Adiminijad(?) are irrelevant asbestos."

Only in YOUR empty noggin there anxiousathiest!

And for the last time the was was NOT illegal!!

1 The war was NOT illegal. The UN supported the use of force, and the security council granted it on THEIR intel and the US intel. THere was a problem with the INTEL,...not the process

2 8 billion on the war, to short circuit the effect on the eonomy HERE if these yahoos, aren't dictated where the fight is. They decided to come to NY, we came back and stated Iraqq and the Mideast where the problem starts.

3 The was was not illegal because EVERYONE in CONGRESS with the exception of 5 votes I think, VOTED FOR MILITARY ACTION IN IRAQ.

Now just how the HELL is that ILlegal?

How was that all Lies??

"asbestos, tell me why you believe that expensive, illegal aggression using your flag is okay. Why do you allow it?"

Our elected representation VOTED for it that is how I support it. And I continue to support that judgement.

ALl this is NOT about the thread though, even though YOU want to change it.

Hugo Chaves is an idiot, and looks like he is mentally challanged, same for that idiot from Iran.

Any of the WORST AMERICAN politicians in my opinion are STILL better than Chavez and The idiot from Iran.

To not make that analysis is faulty and unAmerican.

ASBESTOS 8 years, 3 months ago

Right Bearded one!

What I have been trying to "emote" is that the absolute worst of what ANY American offers (in the political sense, meaning things I DO NOT agree with) are still better than some of the world's BEST intentions. Certianly it is better than the best that either Chavez or the Iranian Idiot offers, and at Pres. Bush's OR Pres. CLinton's worst, they are still both MY President, and any condemnation of either man from other countries hacks or political leaders is simply out of bounds.

Chaves or Iranian idiot or Koffi Annan performing at their best they simply cannot keep up with Pres. Bush or Pres. Clinton performing at their worst.

American is simply alwasy better because We (the citizenry) discuss, and non citizens are NOT INVITED into that discussion.

ASBESTOS 8 years, 3 months ago

"And Asbestos, there has been no declaration of war on Iraq. What is going on in Iraq is what President Bush is using under the War Powers Resolution (not to be confused with the War Powers Act aka The Trading with the Enemy Act."

Legal hair splitting swbsow, the congress voted on it AND funded it and CONTINUED TO FUND it.

Congress would then be guilty of continuing to fund an illegal act, therfore the congres is illegal.

And just stop the cut and paste crap. You have posted it a hundred times and it was out of contex EVERY TIME you posted it.

You simply do not understand the finer points of dealing with Iraq and terrorism. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

"Lucky for Bush, Congress did give Bush specific statutory authorization as needed in Sect. 2(c)(2)"

OK then, why all the cut and past crapola?

"However, we have not invaded any other country who has been found to do anything similar."

Other nations did not have 17 UN resolutions they did not pay attention to.

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""Saddam tried to kill my daddy!!!""

Tried to kill your hero Pres. Clinton. Why are you so silent on that one????? Maybe President Bush was protecting Pre.s Clinton. THrough your "I hate BUsh" emotion, you cannot even FATHOM that possibility, can YOU?

A+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

"Who said Bush has never linked Iraq to 9/11?"

Unh, Pres. Bush., Pres. Clinton, THe 9/11 commission, the RNC, the CIA, NSA, FBI, etc. Carl Rove, Andy Card. That is who.

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"I imagine with a few tweakings (just change the Q to an N and leave out references to the First Gulf War)"

M aybe YOU can, but that is NOT the case. The UN resolutions that Saddam was violating, ie no-fly, oil for food, and other resolution were FROM the first war. Killing of the curds, and the rebelling shia. ALl violations of the resloutions resluting from the 1991 war.

You may want to take them out and call them irrelevant, they however are revelant, and directly connected. Just because you want to argue otherwise don't make it so. DUMB, Dumb, VERY dumb response swbsow.

ASBESTOS 8 years, 3 months ago

""Whereas Iraq both poses a continuing threat to the national security of the United States and international peace and security in the Persian Gulf region and remains in material and unacceptable breach of its international obligations by, among other things, continuing to possess and develop a significant chemical and biological weapons capability, actively seeking a nuclear weapons capability, and supporting and harboring terrorist organizations;"

Still proven false."

Not quite, IRAQ was in material breech of many UN resloutions. Even though the WMD was 2 of the 17, that leaves 15 US Resloutions that IRAQ was in Material breech. So your "STILL PROVEN FALSE" is proven BIASED and again OUT of CONTEXT.

YOu have to address the whole of the dealings ot the Iraq problems, and not obsess on the WM alone.

ASBESTOS 8 years, 3 months ago

No observer it was about Hugo Chavez a noin-citizen thinking he has the "puulse of the people" because of un responsible things your side says. Not trying to shut you up, you need to remember that other leaders are listening to your vitreol and are emulating it.

Speak your peace, but do it reasonably. I don't care if you like Bush or not or vocally disagree with him, but he is not evil nor is he any more evil than Pres. Clinton. But that is OUR (citizens discussion) and the brain damaged Chavez need a wake up call more than the present or past President of the US needs.

Again, our "worst" is still better than their "best".

If you don't believe me just look at Koffi Annan.

ASBESTOS 8 years, 3 months ago

You opinion was exactly what the author was talking about. YOU proved his point.

You think Chavez and Koffi Annan is better than our President. I don't care WHO our President is, whomever we elect, is several boxcarloads loads ahead either a Dmall Country Yahoo like Chavez, or the Man form Ghana whose greatest postion held for his country prior to UN placement was the Director of Tourism for Ghana!!

ANd I do not CARE what other country leaders think, Whomever it is is OUR Presidnet. HIS projection and opioino I will ALWAYS support over "other world leaders". They can just shove it.

I think you are so obessed with hatred for Bush that you cannot make a cogent argument nor can you effectively or accurately analyze what is going on.

In short you are just another Bush hating loon, and that is the only thing you can talk about.

ASBESTOS 8 years, 3 months ago

"Do you honestly believe Chavez even cares what the American left is saying?"

Yes just like any other world leader does to get a kick in on the US to enhance their own standing or power.

Let's see from DaleRogers:

"Personally, I think he is the Anti-Christ."

and Moria:

" a dishonest, war-mongering, human-rights-violating president."

anxiousatheist:

"What Bush supporters don't understand is that he really is a WAR CRIMINAL."

I could go to other posts and threads. The stuff that the left has thrown on BUsh is FAR worse that that thrown on Clinton. I think it is time to worry about America and what these terrorists want to do to us and our country. ANd we have to defend her. This tit for tat stuff gotta go.

What we choul NOT be doing is having blind party allegiance by favoring "world leaders" positions over our own President's.

ASBESTOS 8 years, 3 months ago

"asbestos, you are posting your rants so fast, your spelling and grammar skills are suffering."

NO I just post and am a crappy typist, and do not do a lot of editing, and post is a "Electronic conversantional" type of posting. As long as my points get across, I really don't care what you think of spelling and grammar. The topic IS political, not spelling and grammar. If all you have to criticize is "spelling and grammar" or capitalization, you are insane.

Go to other posts on other boards and you get the ole wanderInG TyPe Of CAPitoLIzATIoN, JusT to InfUriatE ThOSe that ReAd it.

ASBESTOS 8 years, 3 months ago

Who are you guys that hate Bush so much gonna blame when our country gets hit again?

Your side is upset about the electronic surveillance. I think it would be the fault of those that opposed that whom take the blame.

Your side is upset about coerced interrogation. WHom will take the loss for the loss of intel?

Your side is upset at the "Patriot Act". WHom will be the blame then.

JUST how will you spin that?

When they hit us again, what are you gonna bitch about then?

What will cause the next attack will be hatred of America. That has not increased or decreased in the world since 9/11. It will be the terrorists fault when we get hit. I know that.

But your side will blame Bush, and look past all the stupid statements you have made about the intel, and the gathering of information, the fighting of the WoT.

You will refuse to place blame where it belongs.. on Terrorists.

That is the Un American part. ANd you need to wake up. We WILL be hit again. Pointing fingers will not solve the problem.

Killing the bad guys will. Something you just will not accept, America is not the bad guy here. And Pres. Bush is no worse a President that Pres. Clinton.

There is NO President in history that has had to deal with so many historical events in his terms than he has. You fail to recognise that.

DavidB 8 years, 3 months ago

Yes, I think Hugo Chavez is better than George W. Bush - in just about every way imagineable.

But, no, this is NOT the line of thinking that will cost the "left" (i.e. the majority of Americans who aren't right-wing Christian kooks) the election. On the contrary, the opposition would be much farther ahead if it had started speaking out long ago. For crying out, even liberals are disgusted by the Democrats' cowardice.

Pilgrim wrote, "No problem. I assume, also, that you won't mind if I don't call you an American, either."

Actually, that would be kind of cool. That's the sort of idiotic statement that makes you right-wingers look like the jerks you are. Besides, it would be hypocritical of me to criticize you for questioning my citizenship or allegiance when I question yours.

DavidB 8 years, 3 months ago

Asbestos wrote, "For all you bitching and whining, just compare Hugo or Iran's nutcase to BUsh, and look me in the eye and tell me that Bush is worse than either of these 2 totalitarians, and has eroded democracy more than these 2 idiots."

Let's see, Bush has invaded Iraq, Afghanistan and Haiti, while Iran Venezuela have collectively invaded...uh...

Chavez has degraded the U.S. Constitution and attempted to pack the Supreme Court with right-wingers. Oops, that was Bush.

Mr. A. (Iran's leader) has outsourced gazillions of U.S. jobs. Wrong, again! Bush did that, too.

Thanks to Chavez and Mr. A., the U.S. has racked up the biggest national debt in world history. (WRONG)

In contrast to Bush, it appears that his critics, especially Chavez, were POPULARLY ELECTED.

The most hated man in the world is probably Mr. A. or Hugo Chavez. (Actually, if an international survey was conducted, George W. Bush would almost certainly rank #1, with other members of the Top Ten likely including members of his adminstration and perhaps Bill Gates.)

If Hugo Chavez ran for President of the United States, he'd get my vote. As for calling Bush the devil being over the line, let's put it in perspective.

Chavez could have said Bush is a war criminal, a traitor, a crook and a cowardly moron (and perhaps a recovering alcoholic who can't ride Segways or bicycles) who deserves the worst fate the law can dish out. Instead, he condensed it to "devil." Sounds like a smart move to me.

And one last word about free speech. I do NOT consider Bush my president, and I have never supported that ??@!!!*, nor have I ever supported any of his wars or the troops that are fighting them. I hope local freedom fighters kick the U.S. out of Iraq and Afghanistan, and if we attack Iran, I'll be cheering for the Iranians every step of the way. I hope they sink our entire fleet. Maybe THAT will finally wake up the American sheeple.

Now, you can disagree with my ideas or attitudes, and you can even call me names. But don't tell me I can't say what I just said, and do not call my words treasonous. The real traitors are the dumbos who voted for George W. Bush - twice (not to mention the Vichy Democrats).

www.invisible-republic.org

TooTrue 8 years, 3 months ago

I applaud Hugo Chavez for his courage to say what MANY KNOW and are afraid to say. Perhaps if there had been a few Hugo Chavez's in Hitler's day who had enough balls to call him the Devil that he was, less lives might have been lost. But instead, the people of Hitler's day went along with the program just like they are going along with the program in Bush's day.

We no longer have to question how the people of Germany could have allowed such atrocities. We, the American People, are allowing the SAME MIND to move us along THE SAME PATH! Read about it if you don't believe me. Are Americans so blind, deaf, and dumb that we don't see the SAME SPIRIT ruling Bush as ruled Hitler! Go to the Project for a New American Century's Website (look it up on Google) and READ the Mission Statement for yourself! Look who has signed on!

America is burning! She will have to burn in order to become pure. Fire is the only way she will be purified.

cronermanium 8 years, 3 months ago

Our president is an evil terrorist, and an idiot warmonger.

Although he has coked his brain enough to be so 5150 that he does not fully understand the consequences of his actions until his conscience keeps him awake at night, he still is the perpetrator finalizing all the horrible things our country has managed to do.

I want the US government to be forced to be naturally competitive. It has abused its monopoly over power, and does not compete fairly. Come on Chavez, take over the US and save the good people of this country. I'll vote for you. I'm all for a peaceful transition to a better way of life. I want to earn what my skilled labor is worth, not what the aristocratic oligarchy of beneficiaries of the USD decide they will permit me to receive (lest I accept death).

By the way, I don't even think George Bush is all that bad a guy. He's just so goddamn idiotic he happens to have turned out to be an evil terrorist warmonger.

Sincerely yours,

Brian Croner cronermanium@gmail.com

ps- I am a native American citizen, not a citizen of the United States Federal Government. HUGE difference. I would never have chosen to live in the US if I were given the freedom to choose otherwise.

prairiepollyana 8 years, 3 months ago

Posted by DavidB (anonymous) on September 23, 2006 at 11:10 p.m.

And one last word about free speech. I do NOT consider Bush my president, and I have never supported that ??@!!!*, nor have I ever supported any of his wars or the troops that are fighting them. I hope local freedom fighters kick the U.S. out of Iraq and Afghanistan, and if we attack Iran, I'll be cheering for the Iranians every step of the way. I hope they sink our entire fleet. Maybe THAT will finally wake up the American sheeple.

I suggest you put your turban on, hop a plane to Syria and join up with the Talliban. Make sure you claim your U.S. citizenship and when they have finished with their "interview" have them bury you there...head or no head.

xenophonschild 8 years, 3 months ago

We get a lot of our oil from Venezuela; a lot of big American corporations have important stakes in the country.

While this has no relevance, might note that literally hundreds of American oil field workers go down there single and come back married to Venezuelan women, who are famous both for their beauty and alert minds quick to seize opportunity.

If there is still enough time, the next Democratic president will have to devote considerable time and resources smoothing the ruffled feathers of our South American friends - both for their sakes and ours.

LAD626 8 years, 3 months ago

Asbestos....if you believe so much in this war, then why aren't you there? I'm sure any branch of the armed services would welcome your enthusiastic attitude. It's so easy to wrap yourself in the american flag and defend what's going on. The problem is, you're not there and you likely don't have a son or daughter who is there either. Ah, and incase you didn't know, the hijackers were Saudi, not Iraqi. So, why aren't we at war with the Saudi's? I think when I saw Bush holding hands and kissing the Saudi prince, I knew the answer. Enjoy your freedom or at least the illusion that you are free while you can, because this war has created even more enemies that you could possibly imagine and when the world unites against you....well....I think you may have studied the fall of the roman empire. Great nations do fall....it happends. I suggest learning some Chinese. It will come in handy.

ASBESTOS 8 years, 3 months ago

"Asbestos....if you believe so much in this war, then why aren't you there?"

Stupid comment and irrelevant. A majority voted for it, accept it. It is therefore the "will of the people" even though you will never be convinced of that.

Your post was same old liberal spin whta has no facts...only vitreol. You add nothing to the debate of any value here. You are clueless on how the nation is governed, how world affairs are managed, and are totally unprepared to make a conclusion based on your own thought process. It is clear from your posting that you are just repeating what you heard someone else said.

Grow up, read the actual documents, then analyze them.

It gets you farther than right wing or left wing blogs.

BModR8 8 years, 3 months ago

"Posted by right_thinker (anonymous) on September 23, 2006 at 7:04 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Is Israel subject to any Un resolutions? We don't invade Israel because they are not terrorists and barbarians....they are good God fearing Christians like you and me, Observer."

First, the Israelis are not "God fearing Christians". They are Jews, they do not believe that Jesus was the messiah. Big difference between Jews and Christians. Remember the Crusades? Jews were on the hit list of God fearing Christians, they still are in many right wing circles. Ask any of them to drag their KKK sheets out of the closet and ask about the Jews being Christians. We have many right wingers who denounce the Holocaust and believe Jews are worse than heathens.

The Jews are God's chosen people, Christians are saved by grace, even though many Christians think they're supposed to live by the Old Testament law, like the Jews believe.

BModR8 8 years, 3 months ago

"Would that be those sheets monogrammed with the big "D" for Democrat?

Just clarifying, here."

Personally, I have not met any Democrats that have KKK tendencies. However, I have met numerous Republicans, including I'm sad to say, my own parents, that do have distinct KKK leanings. I would guess that none of the Republicans I know personally 'actually' are KKK, but you know the cliche about if it sounds like a duck, it probably is.

And from the some of the postings right here, it certainly enhances my point about some right wingers having KKK tendencies.

bearded_gnome 8 years, 3 months ago

Asbestos wrote [with typos]:

"Do you honestly believe Chavez even cares what the American left is saying?"

Yes just like any other world leader does to get a kick in on the US to enhance their own standing or power.

Let's see from DaleRogers:

"Personally, I think he is the Anti-Christ."

and Moria:

" a dishonest, war-mongering, human-rights-violating president."

anxiousatheist:

"What Bush supporters don't understand is that he really is a WAR CRIMINAL."

I could go to other posts and threads. The stuff that the left has thrown on BUsh is FAR worse that that thrown on Clinton. I think it is time to worry about America and what these terrorists want to do to us and our country. ANd we have to defend her. This tit for tat stuff gotta go.

What we choul NOT be doing is having blind party allegiance by favoring "world leaders" positions over our own President's.

plus, now to the parade proving the point has been added: DavidB; tootrue; and cronerthingy.

now, we have the point proven a multiplicity of times. bush is certainly not Hitler. he is not a warmonger...and the logic of that one is so silly. why would he be so anxious to simply cause a war? wars are always risky. and he would know that if there had been a "lie" that eventually it would come out...but saying "bush lied, thousands died" doesn't make it true by repetition.

General Georges Sadda gave good evidence that Saddam had WMD's until a few months shy of the war. the U.N. inspectors found Saddam in material violation of nearly three dozen areas, including Labs, missile technology, and the most pesky of all...just where was all the Chem and Bio he was known to possess?

The lefty loonies have certainly proven Asbestos's point (which if he/she hadn't written it, would have been mine), and the letter writer's too.

BModR8 8 years, 3 months ago

"Posted by bearded_gnome (anonymous) on September 24, 2006 at 4:03 p.m. (Suggest removal)

uh, BMOD, those KKK members were generally Democrats."

Is this something you know from personal experience, as I elaborated? Or are you citing reports or newspaper articles? What is the source of your assertion?

What are your feelings about the Jews and Israel? Again, speaking only from my experience, Democrats don't seem to differentiate between Jews living in Israel and Israelis. My Republican friends however, do make a distinction. They seem to feel like Israel is the Promised Land, (promised to them as Christians) and Jews are a money-grubbing lower life form.

yourworstnightmare 8 years, 3 months ago

I would like to think the the right are just too stupid to see that criticism of a president's policies are not only acceptable but critical and necessary. Or to fail to see the difference between name-calling and criticism of policy.

Some likely are too stupid (witness posts above), but it is also a deliberate tactic to change the subject, to defend by attacking.

It is an effective political tactic and worked very well in 2004. I think voters have now seen through this powerful tactic and the right-wing of the GOP will lose political power in the country.

Seems the religious right is upset with the GOP leadership for not delivering what they promised in order to get elected.

Vorlon 8 years, 3 months ago

I really don't think it matters what people THINK about whats going on in the USA. Right, left, centrist, its all the same. The avalanche has already started, it is too late for the pebbles to vote. America is now on a crash course with the fruit of its actions. Quite simply we're doomed. The next time we're hit what do you think the rest of the world will say? Oh poor America, lets help them they are suffering from another terrorist attack? Hardly. The rest of the world will think WE DESERVED IT with our wars and torture. They will probably hope it happens again. A wise man once said that the seeds you sow you shall reap the fruit thereof. When the seeds America has sown bear their fruit; that fruit will be BITTER. Prepare yourselfs and your children, for there are dark times ahead.

Godot 8 years, 2 months ago

'Did you happen to see that two top Democrats were two of the first in the news denouncing what Chavez said?"

Correction. They did not denounce what he said, they denounced where he said it. They do not want him coming to the US and taking words out of their mouths, they do not want Chavez to upstage them. Democrats see Chavez as a threat to them; they see that Chavez could, with his passion and ebullience and his billions in oil money, attract more voters than the Dems ever could.

The Democrats are scared of Chavez, no doubt about it.

Linda Endicott 8 years, 2 months ago

That is your opinion, rightthinker, and you have the freedom of speech to say so. Just as the letter writer has the freedom of speech to say what he says.

And just as I have the freedom of speech to say that I don't like George Bush, I don't like his policies, and I don't like what has happened in Iraq.

That was the whole point of the letter to begin with. Oh, yes, Chavez said it, and no, he's not a citizen of the U.S., but all the newspapers in this country that printed what he said certainly had the right of free speech to do so.

Doesn't matter whether you agree or disagree with what Chavez said. Doesn't matter whether you agree or disagree with Bush or some of the things he's done. We all, as citizens of this country, have a right to express our opinions, whatever they may be.

This is one of the freedoms that American soldiers have died for, and not just in Iraq. Or are we all supposed to pick and choose now which freedoms apply to whom?

Silly me. As an American, I thought those freedoms applied to all Americans.

Linda Endicott 8 years, 2 months ago

I just like it better when people stay on the original topic (which is volatile enough as it is), instead of going off on tangents that have absolutely nothing to do with the topic.

For example, I think Chavez is pretty much of a nut job, and he would have made the same comments no matter who was in office. He just doesn't like America, and Bush is a convenient scapegoat.

At the same time, some of the things Bush has done while in office have not endeared him to a lot of people in the world. They have not endeared him to many of his own fellow Americans, let alone militants in other countries.

In the end, I doubt that it makes much difference in the big picture. Most people around the world know that Chavez is a nut job, and they take what he says with a grain of salt.

Linda Endicott 8 years, 2 months ago

Rightthinker, I am not in any way calling you any names because of your beliefs. You are entitled to those beliefs, and are also entitled to express them, through freedom of speech.

I only ask, respectfully, that you afford those same rights to those who disagree with you.

See, we don't have to resort to name-calling. We only have to respect the rights of the other to state what we believe. We can agree to disagree, and still be civil.

I don't believe I ever said that you were a "brainwashed idiot". I don't agree with your views, and I've said so, but that in no way means that I don't think you have the right to state your views.

You have, however, in the past, insinuated that those who don't believe the same way as you, are just as brainwashed, just by the other side.

I have no idea about your life and your personal experiences, which have helped to shape your views. You have no idea about mine.

We can state our views and still remain respectful, can't we?

Linda Endicott 8 years, 2 months ago

This topic was originally about freedom of speech, and about Chavez's statements and people's reaction to them.

I do kind of get tired of the rants that begin, about Bush and everything he supposedly did or didn't do, or Clinton and everything he supposedly did or didn't do. And then we start on every person who has ever been in any administration since the world began, evidently.

Was there something wrong with the original topic?

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