Archive for Tuesday, October 31, 2006

Businessman to run for City Commission

Three at-large positions up for election April 3

October 31, 2006


A Lawrence business owner who believes the city needs to do more to embrace growth is set to become the first announced candidate for City Commission.

Mike Dever, owner of the Lawrence-based environmental firm GuideWire Consulting, said he thought the City Commission needed to do more to broaden the city's business tax base.

"I think the most important thing is for us to focus in a more determined fashion on growth instead of being a bit afraid of growth," Dever said.

Dever is scheduled to announce his candidacy at 11 a.m. today at City Hall, Sixth and Massachusetts streets.

Dever will be vying for one of three at-large spots held by Commissioners Boog Highberger, Mike Rundle and David Schauner. All three incumbents said Monday they either had not decided or were not ready to announce whether they would run for re-election. Highberger, though, said he was strongly leaning toward seeking a second term.

Dever, 43, has lived in Lawrence since 1998. He also lived here from 1981 to 1991 when he was a student and employee at Hall-Kimbrell, a former Lawrence environmental consulting firm.

Dever said his work had taken him to about 1,000 communities during the past 10 years. He said that gave him the opportunity to see what was working and not working in cities across the country.

In Lawrence, he said, there is a strong need to do more to decrease the city's reliance on residential property taxes. He also said he had seen evidence that the city could add new retail areas to the community without hurting its prized downtown.

"Improving the number of people who live here and the amount of money they earn will be the best way to help downtown," said Dever, who is married and has two middle school-aged children.

On other large city issues, Dever said he wanted to do some polling of the public to find out what they really wanted in a new library before moving with plans to build or expand the library. He also said he wanted to interject his environmental training into the South Lawrence Trafficway issue. He said he had some concerns about the City Commission officially opposing a 32nd Street route for the road.

The City Commission election will be April 3. If more than six candidates file for election, there will be a primary election Feb. 27. Candidates have until noon Jan. 23 to file.


just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 11 years, 7 months ago

"But watch the liberals attack when a potential competing candidate has some contact outside of Lawrence."

There's absolutely nothing wrong with his operating a business in KCMO-- just don't say that it's based in Lawrence if it's not, or if that's just a partial truth.

Sandman 11 years, 7 months ago

Two of the PLC candidates commute to jobs in Topeka every day.

They hired an Overland Park attorney to represent us in the WalMart lawsuit (and gave him $250,000 and counting).

They hired an Overland Park firm to do a city employment study.

They hired an out of state firm to find a city manager.

But watch the liberals attack when a potential competing candidate has some contact outside of Lawrence.


Rationalanimal 11 years, 7 months ago

Maybe I'm hopelessly jaded by the current fab-5, but Dever's comments make him sound like he brings a BS, MS and PHD to the commission (aka Bull S#@!, More of the Same and Piled Higher and Deeper). That's not going to provide any change for the community.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 11 years, 7 months ago

From their website:

GUIDEWIRE CONSULTING, LLC 1600 Genessee, Suite 651 Kansas City, Missouri 64102 (888) 294-0905

Upon looking at the website again, I also noted a Lawrence address.

Which is it?

carolannfugate 11 years, 7 months ago

gee bozo maybe he lives here and has his company headquarters there. who cares anything is better than what is there.

homechanger 11 years, 7 months ago

Marion, good point but lawrence is so full of uninformed voters who vote strictly party line, on both sides. Rundle could very well wind up King of Lawrence.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 11 years, 7 months ago


This very well could be a non-issue. If he has moved the company to Lawrence, or if it has offices in Lawrence and KC, he should just say that.

To state that you are a "Lawrence business owner" when your website has two different locations listed for that business is confusing, at best.

carolannfugate 11 years, 7 months ago

Perhaps the majority of his contracts are here. Perhaps while the company headquarters are based in K.C he works from an office here in town.
I know it will be difficult for you to let go of the current Commission but times are changin and if we do not get them out and soon tumbleweeds will be blowin in the wind.

Mike Myers 11 years, 7 months ago

Sorry to all of you who think running an environmental firm means you are a "true environmentalist" (ASBESTOS). That supposition is absurd. One of the major jobs of an environmental firm such as the one this man heads is to help corporations jump through regulatory hurdles in order to develop land (phase ones etc...). That by no means makes you an expert in helping or 'saving' the environment which is a totally different deal. While he may be involved in defining environmental hazards which is a commendable thing, what his profession says to me is that he is a friend to development interests, nothing more.

MyName 11 years, 7 months ago


To abuse any network service or tool by for promotional purposes.


To flood any chat forum or Internet game with purposefully annoying text or macros.

both could apply equally well to the "content" of your posts Marion.

ASBESTOS 11 years, 7 months ago


is also the EPA Indoor Air Quality modeling program. Kinda works.

"I told you directly that i was an architect.."

Interesting. Did you know one of the reasons that the AHERA left out the CIH , Architects, and Professional Engineers from AHERA accreditation is that they screwed up the first round of Asbestos Inspections of the schools prior to AHERA? Did you know that? All of those wanted to be able to do inspections, and EPA ruled that (in your own words) needed specialized training to do the inspection.

That was one of the more protective laws that EPA passed that I bet you don't like.

It just depends on your perspective, doesn't it?

I am degreed in the Environmental and Physical Sciences with a B. S. and over 17 years of experience in multiple countries, and multiple states with UST's, Asbestos, LBP, and IAQ, as well as some other stuff with labs.

Architect does not = environmental professional. No way shape or form. I would not even suggest to you as an architect on the proper loading of floors and building structural systems, nor the door schedule.

I ask for simple prfessional courtesy by not lumping our "Environmental Professionals" as ethically challanged and in the tank for the developer. Most would say the same of architects (which design the Big Box stores) as the same.

I however did not impune your professional capability. You did however did mine and Mr. Dever, simply because of an OPINION you have.

So if you want professional respect.... act like it, and offer others the same level of respect.

Otherwise, you get called names.

Free speech.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 11 years, 7 months ago

If he's running for city commission as a "the owner of a Lawrence business" that is actually based in KC, it is important.

carolannfugate 11 years, 7 months ago

If he lives here he is a Lawrence citizen and it is ok for him to run. Maybe the currenyt commission wouldn't allow his Biz here. They tend to do chit like that.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 11 years, 7 months ago


I believe that you would find that those who have voted for Rundle tend to be very well informed, although you probably don't like the way they interpret that information.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 11 years, 7 months ago

Sounds like this guy has been drinking the same Chamber-mixed Kool-Aid that created the problems we currently have.

No thanks.

ASBESTOS 11 years, 7 months ago


"Perhaps you should actually read my 11:41 post in the context of my discussion with ASBESTOS."

ANd PERAHPS you could take things in context! Quote mining out of context is a poor debate skill!

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 11 years, 7 months ago

I didn't say he couldn't or shouldn't run. But if he is misleading voters about the location of his business, that's an important bit of information.

ASBESTOS 11 years, 7 months ago

Tony your 12:44 post is the one that bothers me a great deal.

Your take would be similar to me stating that because architects and engineers designed the Crown Center Walkway and it collapsed, that all architects and engineers act like this and further genrealizations will show them to be unethical, and for the developer.

Well that is simply stupidity! That was one engineer and architect. Not all have this level of carelessness.

Same is true for the majority of trades or careers. regardless ow what trade or profession 10-20% will rip you off and not care one wit. Doctors, attorneys, samdwich makers, etc.

You tend to paint with a pretty broad brush.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 11 years, 7 months ago

I'm curious why the website for his "Lawrence-based" business says it's based in Kansas City.

geppetto 11 years, 7 months ago

if Bozo and Marion know everything, why don't you both run for city commission?


just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 11 years, 7 months ago

'Now my comments are "spam".'

Sorry, Marion. "Spam" is an overly generous description. But my post would be removed if I were 100% accurate in describing your "content."

Mike Myers 11 years, 7 months ago

It cracks me up how whenever some people get confronted with a little truth they get really defensive and resort to name calling etc... I should post more often. I feel like a real somebody now that I've been called an idiot by a couple of the resident whackos.

carolannfugate 11 years, 7 months ago

Dennis Highburger lives here and works in Topeka David Scauner lives here and works in Topeka

What really is your point?

In case you have not figured this out the job market in Lawrence sucks. Do you recallthat the average cost of living here is less than the average wage here?

People have to work outside of the community to survive here.

ASBESTOS 11 years, 7 months ago

I know Mike. This guy is GOOD, and would be good for Lawrence.

Noweigh 11 years, 7 months ago

Finally someone who understands that "growth" is a reality whether we like it or not and that we have to deal with it intelligently right now. He's also well versed on the environment and reasonable about how to make projects move forward. It's time Lawrence put some people on the commission who were smart, reasonable and try to represent the greater good instead of narrow agendas.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 11 years, 7 months ago

Pace yourself, Marion. The day is young, so you don't want to exhaust your supply of petty insults too early.

ASBESTOS 11 years, 7 months ago

Toto 12 the idiot:

"Sorry to all of you who think running an environmental firm means you are a "true environmentalist" (ASBESTOS). That supposition is absurd."

How many sites have you cleaned up? How much ground water have you cleaned up?

Our profession is cleaning up the problems the corps. have done. Only "ethically challaged" businesses would do as you state: "help corporations jump through regulatory hurdles in order to develop land.."

In fact we DO NOT do that, because we then are as liable as RP for the land and cleanup. Anyone remember the PRESTO situation in Lawrence??? WHOM was the "environmental firm" doing the oversight???? TA DA!! KDHE!!! That is right, the REGULATORY AGENCY!!!

WHOM is keeping NPL sites OFF the listing in Wichita????? KDHE that's who!

Who kept the SFAAP OFF the NPL site listing??? KDHE that's who.

So before you talk BS on our industry (with very little information, and a lot of BS I might add) you might check out what we actually do. What an idiot and SIMPLETON you are! YOUR supposition is by no means useful in ANY discours in terms of environmental affairs.

Recycling and believing in the holy "Al Gore" does not an envormental professional, scientist, or expert in any way shape of form. Neither does a democrat automatically have the moral high ground in the environmental discussion either.

You oversimplify. Nuff said!

"While he may be involved in defining environmental hazards which is a commendable thing, what his profession says to me is that he is a friend to development interests, nothing more."

We are NO FRIEND to developers...we spend their money, which they want to keep! When we "define the hazards.....we also make a plan to clean them up, which we charge more money for. That is the business, which you do not understand. NO ONE cleans up anything difficult and contaminated, for nothing, those that say they do, have something up their sleeve.

It takes a lot more than granola eating and shopping at the MERC, wearing tye-dyes, and having long hair to be inteligently, and appropriately environmentally aware,...and correct.

The rest is symbolism over substance.

What is happening to the asbestos regulation in Kansas??? it sucks that is what? UST's...same thing. SUPERFUND sites...same thing. Formerly used Defense sites...same thing. Whom is allowing this....KDHE.

Whom is the friend of developers in this state???


ASBESTOS 11 years, 7 months ago

Tony88 your were the one also arguing for supporting the KDHE on the Presto gas station leak, and being an apologists for them as well.

Your "opinion" in not very good.

daman 11 years, 7 months ago

I know Dever and he is bright guy who will do an excellent job. I'm a bit surprised he's running given all the crap he'll have to endure for low pay, no respect position where all you get is abused. That is why you the three stooges running the show. Good luck Mike, you have my vote!!!!!

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 11 years, 7 months ago

But given you are you, you have a completely different standard, right, Marion?

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 11 years, 7 months ago

"What really is your point?"

Neither claims that they work in Lawrence.

SouthernBelle 11 years, 7 months ago

Marion, I think you should run for commissioner. I'm serious.

ASBESTOS 11 years, 7 months ago

"That's also like saying an architect is an environmentalist just by meeting the minimum energy code."

No that is NOT what I stated. I was talking environmental cleaqnup laws, only a moron like you would apply it to architecture issues.

You are correct, I see it was "TeamPOllution" that stated he was in the biz.

"You equate that with "environmentalism"!"

And you equate "environmentalism" as proper and intellectual discussion and action on environmental events.

the business does cleanup, the "isms" refer to running their mouth alot and setting on the rears a lot.

There is a difference between you and me, I actually do the work and get paid well for how I do it.

justthefacts 11 years, 7 months ago

Those who are upset or unhappy with how things are going in any political realm should do more about it. Posting diatribes on-line (repeatedly venting) doesn't do a lot of good. If you can't or won't run for office yourself, at least help someone of whom you approve get elected. At the very least, find out FACTS and share them with others. The attack and slash method of communicating so often used (especially by anonymous bullies) really doesn't help anyone to improve their lives, let alone improve their communities! I hope to see a lot of good and new candidates running for city office. It's nice to have choices.

ASBESTOS 11 years, 7 months ago

He is truly the difference between "symbolic environmentalism" and true environmental work. There is a difference.

Some libs holler about "saving the environment" protest, and generally raise h. But they have no clue what they are talking about, it is just what some liberal guru (al baby) told them.

opinion 11 years, 7 months ago


Did you get that argument from the KBOE? Sounds very much like what they said when they hired Corkins. ;^)

homechanger 11 years, 7 months ago

Lets show Mike Rundle the door. He has become a career comissioner, stagnate in thought and action. He is controlled by PLC heads. Schauner needs to back off also. Term limits anyone?

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 11 years, 7 months ago

So, Asbestos, are you saying that he is following the long Chamber tradition of running for City Commission to promote your business opportunities?

lunacydetector 11 years, 7 months ago

perhaps he had to open an office for his business in kansas city, like so many other lawrence based businesses after your progressive trio took over and promoted their semblance of growth (which in reality = no growth).

he ain't working for the government and he isn't a lawyer - that in itself sounds good to me, but we'll have to see what he plans to do.

ASBESTOS 11 years, 7 months ago

"By environment, they do not mean ECOLOGY, but simply surroundings."

By ecology, you are going to have to define, a groundwater plume is a part of the "ecology" which is why we clean it up, the subsurface soils are part of the "ecology" which is why we clean them up. Same for the air!

The reason that we go to the "minimum" is because that is all the client is going to pay for....unless demanded to clean up to a higher level by the regulators, shich is not done in Kansas because the KDHE Div of Environment, is the number 1 friend of the developers.

Check out how many of the demolitions have been notified to the KDHE asbestos Program from the Housing developement in Ft. Riley,... or Junction City. There is your problem. How about Topeka, Clark Duffy is on the Topeka City Commission, and is in charge of the Air and Radiation Section. I am sure he makes sure that ALL the projects a "fast tracked" for the developers. There is no better "developers friend" than a City Commissioner, whom looks the other way. Mike would not do that, nor would he inhibit a legal permit. He plays by the rules. That is what an Environmental Professional does, nothing more... certianly nothing less.

So take your granola eating, tye-dye wearing understanding of environmental issues, and hang it.

Tony, if you had a brain and were in the industry at all, you would know that "minimum requuirements" is all that has to be met by law anyway.

Who is going to pay for more cleanup when they are not required to do so? That is the difference between the "theroitical world" and "reality".

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 11 years, 7 months ago

Marion wouldn't have the time--unless he gave up spamming this website.

Rationalanimal 11 years, 7 months ago

My point was not to give M. Dever any unnecessary guff. I don't know the guy, personally he probably is the world's best dad, husband and boss. But, what I am saying is that Lawrence has had a gutful of the downtown being the prime meridian of the world, or epicenter of the universe. The myth that the universe revolves around the earth was dispelled a long time ago. The current fab-5 have dangled a lux library to the tune of a 100 million or more, done all but put up "Trespassers will be shot" signs for new businesses, and along the same token consistently come to the golden goose (taxpayers) whenever there is a revenue shortage (which by the way has been alarming since this commission has depleted the millions in rainy day funds built up over decades). So, with all that said, I mean no disrespect or malice towards M. Dever. But, Lawrence needs real leadership, new ideas rather than "I'm going to take a poll" to see what Lawrencians think. That's what I'd like to see in someone we elect to lead the community forward in what should be the same prosperous growth Johnson County, and, heck, even Eudora, are experiencing.

Rationalanimal 11 years, 7 months ago

I look forward to and hope facts, vision and leadership will be forthcoming. Secondly, I applaud M.Dever for wanting to serve our community. That doesn't necessarily mean I share his vision and will vote for him.

SB1 11 years, 7 months ago

One Chamber Boy identified, two more to come. Stay tuned.

bearded_gnome 11 years, 7 months ago

"its a beautiful day in the neighborhood."

wow...marion apologized.

if Mr. Dever 1) is not a treehugger; 2) is not supported by the PLC; 3) is opposed by the Bozo_on_the_wrong_bus; 4) operates his own business based in Lawrence and KC.

then, I'm happy to vote for him.

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