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Body identified as local hip-hop artist

October 16, 2006

A man found dead in a field Sunday morning has been identified as a 28-year-old hip-hop artist from Lawrence.

The Douglas County Sheriff's Office said the death of Anthony J. Vital is "suspicious," but as of Monday night had not released his cause of death or details about what investigators think happened.

Vital, known by the stage name "Clacc," performed with the local hip-hop group Da BombSquad, which formed in 2000 and had released two records. Those who know him say they don't know what happened.

"I'm just wondering just like everybody else," said Paul Vital, his older brother. "He was a sweet, humble guy. ... He was a beautiful person, and I'm not just saying that because he was my brother."

Vital was found about 9 a.m. Sunday in a field on the north side of U.S. Highway 40, about two miles outside the city limits. The sheriff's office on Monday reiterated a call for the public's help to provide information about a car that may be associated with the death: a maroon 1988 Ford Thunderbird with the personalized license plate "JVOLA."

The office asks anyone with information about the car to call the sheriff's office at 841-0007 or the CrimeStoppers hotline at 843-TIPS.

Photo illustration by Thad Allender

Anthony J. Vital, in photo at bottom right, was found dead Sunday morning in a field on the north side of U.S. Highway 40. Vital was a member of the local hip-hop group Da BombSquad, in top photo. He is pictured at far left. Bottom left, Anthony vital's body was found in this area along U.S. Highway 40.

"We're following up on leads, conducting interviews, processing evidence," said Lt. Kari Wempe, a Douglas County Sheriff spokeswoman. "We have had quite a few TIPS hotline calls, so we're working on all of those. ... The investigation is still pretty fresh."

Vital came to Lawrence from Louisiana as a teenager in the 1990s, according to court records.

He received probation in the late 1990s for aggravated burglary in what a police report said was a home invasion involving a group of suspects who knew the victim. Acquaintances said that despite the occasional scrape with the law, he was a spiritual person who tried to take the high road.

"He was a hard-working kid at his craft. ... He had to fight through some things," said Keith Loneker of Lock-N-Load Records, which produced Da Bomb Squad's first album in 2001. "He was a kid who had so much talent. If he could have been guided, there was a lot out there for him."

In 2005, Da Bomb Squad self-produced its second album, "I Got Work," which touched on classic hip-hop themes: money, drugs, women, cars and regional pride. Group members said they were shooting to become the first big hip-hop act to come out of Kansas.

"We have something for the streets; we have something for the ladies; we have some positive music for the kids. ... Kind of on the spiritual side, in a normal way," Vital said in an interview with lawrence.com.

Earlier this year, Vital had held down a part-time job cleaning and fueling buses for the Lawrence Bus Company.

Bandmate Richard Thomas said Monday that he hadn't spoken to Vital in a couple of weeks. Lately, he said, the group members had been working on solo projects and were tied up with family and jobs. He said Vital was married.

"I really don't know what happened," Thomas said. "The police wouldn't tell us much of anything."

- 6News reporter Laura Berger and staff writer Ron Knox contributed information to this article.

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16 October 2006
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Sigmund (Anonymous) says…

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doc1 (Anonymous) says…

The facts have not been released, but considering he was considered a gangster rapper I am guessing he got shot. Sometimes its just too easy to know what happened.
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Motivation (Anonymous) says…

doc1….please read the entire article…he may have been a rapper, but held down a job and was a positive role model…this was a tramendous blow to any of the musicians reaching out to the younger generations. I truly hope they catch the idiot that did this and punish him to the fullest extent of the law!! RIP Clacc…your hard work and positive vibes live on…
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Motivation (Anonymous) says…

This is a better posting…

May God bless his soul and take him to the light…Clacc was a positive person who never started anything…he remained focused on his music and attempted to bring light to the trouble of the younger generations.

I only knew him in passing. However, I know many of Da Bomb Squad, some better than others, and I'm torn on what happened. I fail to see how Clacc would have put into motion anything that would engage his pain. It tears me up to imagine what his family and friends are going through. My heart reaches out to all of them to hopefully bring them peace.

I agree with all that comment how the task of leaving ANY human being in a field is hidious. I look to God to send the karma back on all that betrayed this young man.

To all that have made comments about it “must be drug related” or “he was a gangsta rapper, therefore a gansta” and “he must have been shot;” please review your judgements. I listen to rap music, have been known to “kick it” relentlessly, and drive a car with loud bass. Does this mean that I deal drugs, go to clubs and shoot people? Actually, I talk to people all day relating to business, and am pursuing a Master's Degree in Public Speech. Granted, I might not be the typical case, there are many people like me out there.

You must not know the slightest thing about what “gangsta rappers” try to accomplish. Da Bomb Squad tries to provoke a positive atmosphere for youths that only know a certain way of life. I applaud their efforts and believe they will make it huge if they continue their path. RIP, Clacc, you will be remembered and honored through all your work…
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broomchemistry (Anonymous) says…

This from a middle aged white guy: death is difficult; homocide is insane; being a “gangsta” has absolutely nothing to do with murder; image is meaningless after death; the way you live and the people you know are more important any quibbling after the fact. Curious about the band after reading the story, I went to the website. Being a middle aged honkey, I don't generally listen to rap, but there was something in the song “I got work” that resonated of originality, talent, hope—rare things. I hope his family is able to heal from this final act which is, as most of our final acts will be, a grammatical insurrection—the separation of meaning from act, which is to say that how one leaves the world sometimes has very little to do with how one has lived in the world. And so on. Just another point of view.
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hawksdomain (Anonymous) says…

OTTR - such a typical response from a small mind, but after your comments yesterday, I am not surprised in the least.
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hawksdomain (Anonymous) says…

I also would like to remind everyone that it has NOT been called a MURDER yet. It is possible that it was an unfortunate set of events. Please quit judging those who you do not know. Please stop with all of this stereotypical BS. This is just so wrong. I should quit reading what you fools are saying.

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doc1 (Anonymous) says…

I'm not trying to put the guy down, but I'm guessing that when they find out who the killer is it will be drug related with guns. Just a guess. I may be wrong. And before anyone wants to call me racist, I'm black.
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hawksdomain (Anonymous) says…

who said there is a killer?? Doc, where have you gotten your information?? His own wife has not even been granted the opportunity to see his body. There is nothing that has been publicly stated, or even stated to the family that would indicate anything about how he passed. Shame on you.
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cutelovemonkey38 (Anonymous) says…

By the way Doc, you can be rasist against your own color. It's not right to say that it was drugs and guns. That is judging the whole world. Just because he's a rapper doesn't mean that he was shot, maybe something happend and he got in a car accident. Maybe it was accidental. So Doc, unless you have facts, keep your big mouth shut. A poor, innocent man was killed, you should be telling the family and friends that you feel for them.
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doc1 (Anonymous) says…

I never said he was shot. I'm just connection common dots with gangsta rappers. Drugs & Guns. It is a likely combination. No its not for sure, just likely.
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doc1 (Anonymous) says…

I meant connecting.
17 October 2006
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carolannfugate (Anonymous) says…

Erasism

The feeling that one's group has a mode of living, values, and patterns of adaptation that are superior to those of other groups. It is coupled with a generalized contempt for members of other groups. Ethnocentrism may manifest itself in attitudes of superiority or sometimes hostility. Violence, discrimination, proselytizing, and verbal aggressiveness are other means whereby ethnocentrism may be expressed”

“Ethnocentrism is the practice of looking at the world as if your own cultures viewpoint is the most valid and perceptive, and therefore that other cultures are less sophisticated and somehow inferior in the way they view the world and in things they do”
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Sigmund (Anonymous) says…

I guess my comments were removed because I posted a link to a free download of his music on Lawrence dot com. Go listen for yourself, if it hasn't been removed as well.
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dajackel (Anonymous) says…

yo doc1 i dont think your black i think u sayin that to get us off your back clacc was a god drivin man i know this is true!you on the other hand are one of those guys who watches BET and thinks thats our whole culture.we dont know why god saw fit to take this man but there's a purpose now we have to figure out why.u keep reading and stay in your house cause we can always tell your kind when you out and about and on behalf of clacc, better keep that name doc1 secret cause it might haunt you na mean!brother…clacc rip…the streets know homie only matter of time!one hundred…doc1 c u later

17 October 2006
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doc1 (Anonymous) says…

Actually I am black. I'm just able to speak english. If you want to represent the black community (which this board has nothing to do with) hold your head up hi, don't throw gang signs for the cover of your gangsta rap album and speak english. Show the world the black community has more to offer than hip hop slang that does nothing but make us look dumb.
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carolannfugate (Anonymous) says…

Doc1 I have a question. Are you really Black or are you the Micheal Jackson, Lionel Richie Black? Sell outs disgust me. Rap does not make anyone look bad it is art just like any other form of expression. The drug culture stood on it's own long before there was Rap. There are no details available to indicate either genre or drugs played a roll. Even if drugs were found to be associated it does not mean the man deserved to die or that he was not loved by others. Respecting others is a gift we give to ourselves. Peace out.
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ForThePeople (Anonymous) says…

dajackel,

Your comment could be construed as a threat which is against the LJW user terms of agreement.
17 October 2006
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Aiko (Anonymous) says…

Lionel Richie is not “black” to you carolannfugate? I could see you using Bryant Gumble as an example but not the great Lionel!
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carolannfugate (Anonymous) says…

I was trying to make a point. I do like Lionel although I must admit he lost something leaving the Commadores. Now you must must at the very least accept Lionel cannot dance worth squat. :)
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doesitmatter (Anonymous) says…

I am with you on that one Aiko… and for doc…. What gang signs are you speaking of on the album cover??? The only sign that is shown is one that represents the Midwest.
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doesitmatter (Anonymous) says…

carolannfugate-

I agree Lionel can not dance. But he has been awarded and rewarded for what he does best. Many ASCAP awards for best songwriter and recording artist. These are huge achievements for someone that is black.
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crazyks (Anonymous) says…

What does Lionel Richie not being able to dance worth squat have to do with him being black?

You're not trying to promote one of those racial stereotypes now, are you?

And Bryant Gumble is a sellout? So you can't be black and also be yourself? You can't be black and be who you want to be? You have to portray yourself as a certain “kind” of black, or you're a sellout?

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carolannfugate (Anonymous) says…

O.K I will give you that. I met him years ago at Doc Holiday's he is a nice guy
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jafs (Anonymous) says…

I'm white, for the record, if that matters to anyone. If he was trying to be a positive role model for our youth, then more power to him and all those like him. It's clear that our young people need guidance and help to create meaningful lives and avoid the pitfalls of drugs and gangs. However, the article did mention some criminal behavior - I hope that was in the past. Also, regardless of one's personal opinion about rap music, it is a form which began in the streets/gangster culture and reflects that to a large extent. And, finally, there have been studies showing that music with relentless driving bass lines (which includes music other than rap as well) stimulates the fight/flight response, raising adrenaline levels and making possible violent confrontations more likely.
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crazyks (Anonymous) says…

And I kind of think that when anyone is found dead in a field, that murder is the first thing you think of.

I kind of think that if it happened to me, my family would think I'd been murdered.
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carolannfugate (Anonymous) says…

Posted by jafs (anonymous) on October 17, 2006 at 9:51 a.m. (Suggest removal)
And, finally, there have been studies showing that music with relentless driving bass lines (which includes music other than rap as well) stimulates the fight/flight response, raising adrenaline levels and making possible violent confrontations more likely

Yes and Tipper Gore says if you play Rock and Roll backwords the Devil speaks to you. Statistics lie and liars use statistics.
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jafs (Anonymous) says…

I'm not sure how Tipper Gore's insane opinions are related to scientific studies. Also, isn't it clear that there is a lot more violence surrounding rap/hip-hop concerts than other types of music? I haven't heard of anyone being assaulted or killed outside of classical, folk, or jazz concerts, for example.
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carolannfugate (Anonymous) says…

Thank You, Thank you very much :)
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whatintheworld (Anonymous) says…

Comments on this page and lots of the others are sad….does anyone remember what your mothers and fathers taught………”If you don't have anything nice to say…..Don't say anything at all.” I find it crazy that the only comments I find on here day after day are negative. Why are there no comments on the positive articles?
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Godot (Anonymous) says…

I knew Anthony. He was so humble, so polite, so sweet. This is very sad.

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prioress (Anonymous) says…

I haven't heard of anyone being assaulted or killed outside of classical, folk, or jazz concerts, for example.
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Some of this could be the age of the audience (too tired to commit crimes?) Generally, the crime rates go up and down depending on the size of the 18-30 generation. I do remember, however, the Fugs quoting (at least trying to) quote Plato: “When the mode of the music changes the walls of the city shake.” We are products of our culture and our surroundings, and music can calm us down or pump us up.

I feel badly for the young man and his family. We all have value and some people have lost a loved one………Peace to the departed and comfort to the families.
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shockchalk (Anonymous) says…

A young man has died and that is tragic. No one knows the facts surrounding the case yet, but many are willing to speculate. And still others are pondering the “blackness” of Lionell Ritchie or Bryant Gumball. You may not agree with Doc1 but your sure he's not black. It's unfortunate that these are the things we focus on and not the unfortunate incident that left this young man in the field. May God have mercy on him and for his family.
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hRaOrCd (Anonymous) says…

First of all, I would like to say how disgusted I am in people that use this comment section to argue and say things that they have no idea what their saying! Anthony a.k.a. “Clacc” was a friend of mine for over 10 years and not once can I recall him ever raising his voice in anger to anyone! The people that actually know him will agree that we have lost a great man! Love you always homey!!! ROC
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laprincesa (Anonymous) says…

just because he was known for being a rapper doesn't mean his death had anything to do with that. anyone that knew him, knows he wasn't out there trying to be a gangsta.. he was a real nice and respectful person… rest in peace.
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ihatejohntravolta (Laura Watkins) says…

I don't remember anyone ever being given permission by anyone to flat out judge people based on their race and stereotypes regarding their race. Whether this man was black, white or greenish-yellow, he was a human being and it's very unfortunate that he had to die, especially at such a young age. Quit reinforcing these stereotypes by mentioning them every chance you get.
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9999 (Anonymous) says…

This really makes me sick, ya'll got it wrong. Anyone who knew Clacc or was ever around Clacc knew how he could make people laugh, Clacc was fun and crazy, a good person. He will be missed. All my sympathy to his wife, family and friends. Keep your heads up and don't forget he's in a better place. Don't forget, “Hold On” to his memories. Forget what these ignorant, sorry people are talking about. And to those people, I really hope when your day comes to have to go through the pain of loosing a loved one that you do not have to be subjected to this kind of heartlessness. Clacc, rest in peace, you will be missed. And once again, my heart goes out to family and friends.
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9999 (Anonymous) says…

Now these last five posts are all that need to on this thread. Take your ignorance somewhere else and have some respect for a man who just lost his life and his friends and family who are mourning. -a
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bdodoubleg (Anonymous) says…

RIP Clacc

17 October 2006
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jafs (Anonymous) says…

Trying to understand why so many people are dying is not being heartless. In fact, it's an attempt to identify the possible causes of and prevent tragic senseless deaths, which is a compassionate thing to do. Art both reflects and affects society and individuals. If it is true that rap (and other relentless bass-driving music) is a fight/flight response stimulator and increases the chance of violent confrontation, ignoring this information is dangerous. It would be analagous to smokers ignoring the clear health risks associated with smoking, but worse, in that innocent bystanders may be hurt/killed as well.

Violent video games also seem to have clear connections with violent behavior - making these connections is an attempt to decreases the violence in our society, which seems to be increasing.

In a perhaps related vein, I was told by a friend recently that this generation is the first in our history to be less educated than their parents. I'm not sure how they measure that (perhaps it's an average), but in combination with the dangers of drugs, gangs, etc. it seems to me that young people today are quite at risk. And, as I mentioned in my first post, I applaud any and all who are trying to improve the situation (including the deceased).

Racism is destructive and not helpful, but making clear logical connections may help us solve some of these problems.
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jafs (Anonymous) says…

“decrease”
17 October 2006
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TonyGaines (Tony Gaines) says…

This is Tone one of the bombsquad's producers. I've been reading these posts since they started, and let me say this, it's pretty discouraging, and infuriating, to hear the community react in such a cold-hearted manner. We're all thugs, we're all gangstas, we're all expendable, who cares 1 down 1000 to go, this is what you say to us. Well I'm gonna let you in on a little something. Who do you think has the most power to reach, and persuade your children, even more so than you the parent, teacher,community leader, whatever you may be? rappers!!!!!!!!! Rap music is the most profitable , widely marketed genre of music on the planet. I say that to say this. black men are dying worldwide at an astronomical rate, our community is in a state of emergency. Thishas more to do with the failings of society then the music of a rapper, believe that. A rapper 9 out of 10 times, is a guy who comes from this environment, who has the strength, and the courage to try and do something other than, rob, sell drugs, or be a menace to society. Not to say that being a criminal is the only option for us, because obviously there are many others options, but for those of us with talent it's the most attractive, and potentially lucrative option. Rapping is a trade, it's a career, it takes talent, hardwork, determination, and patience. Now I realize there are those in the rap world that do idiotic things, but think about your job, how many idiots do you work with? The problem is, anytime something semi-bad happens in the hip-hop world, it's all over the front pages, and in the news. “Rapper Killed”. How often do you hear about the positive things rappers do, NEVER. How come the media hasn't talked about the shows the Bombsquad has done for the kids, or the positive impact they made with songs like “Billion Stars”, or “Hold On”:::
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TonyGaines (Tony Gaines) says…

::: Like i said before we have the ear of the children, so why tear us down, why turn your noses up at us? Why not support us, help us do something positive, so the kid that is so “effected” by the music, can see someone from their own town make it out the “right” way. Clacc was the kindest, most gentle person I've ever known. Every person in the world needs someone with so much light, and optimism in their life. I've never seen this man have a bad word to say about anybody, I've never seen him fight or even raise his voice. He truly was a gentle soul, and it's sad that because he's a rapper, you guys instantly
assume he's bad, and say he had it coming. Clacc was one of those rappers that beleved he could make a difference in this world, and the majority of his writing was spirtual and uplifting. He was making a valiant attempt at inspiring and motivating people to do better, by sharing his thoughts and personal experiences, through music.What do you do to help, donate a $100 dollars to Katrina victims, drink your chai's, and lattes, and sit in your safe little worlds and judge people on internet forums? Take the thorn out of your own eye before you try to take the thorn out of mine! For everyone that had kind words, Thank you. For those of you had negative words, I'll pray for you. Rest in peace my brother, I love you.

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Confrontation (Anonymous) says…

I have to admit that I agree with Marion. It's sad that you have to be a white child getting hit by a car before anyone shows sympathy.
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Shardwurm (Anonymous) says…

“Who do you think has the most power to reach, and persuade your children, even more so than you the parent, teacher,community leader, whatever you may be? rappers!!!!!!!!! ”

This is terrifying on many levels. Mostly it's terrifying because you believe it. More than that if in fact it's true and you are filling the minds of our children with the kind of crap that is being produced then you should be arrested.

Fortunately it isn't true. Parents still can influence their children in a positive manner and prevent them from being brainwashed by people like you who believe that 'music' about killing people and drugs is the best way to build a society. Your post only confirms what most people think about rappers. Thanks for ensuring your image remains as bad as it is.

Here's a quote from the article:

“…of Lock-N-Load Records, which produced Da Bomb Squad's first album in 2001.”

Lock-N-Load Records? Da Bomb Squad? Gee - good stuff there. Well worth the support of the entire community don't you think?

I'm sorry this young man has lost his life. I'm sure he was a fine individual. But when you post this kind of garbage it really does take away from whatever legacy he left behind.
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carolannfugate (Anonymous) says…

I'm sorry Tony I ment to disrespect. I just get angry when sterotypes start covering the boards and too it troubles me to know when people die lone. I will work on maintaining a more appropriate demenor. My sympathies to family and friends.
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acg (Anonymous) says…

To those of you who knew the deceased, you spout with indignation that you can't believe some of the comments on the board today but do you think that you all could be a bit biased because you knew and loved the deceased? Have you all never said something about someone, a race or a culture that was based purely on opinion or speculation? Glass houses, and all of that jazz. Also, there is nothing wrong or racist in stating the obvious about the hip/hop-gangsta culture. It's violent. Pure and simple. It's about guns and drugs and kill that guy and smack that girl and that's what it's about and who has more “bling” and that's what it's about. We all see it every day. (Wasn't Fabolous shot just yesterday, and then his “crew” was caught with loaded unlicensed weapons immediately thereafter?). We read it, we hear it, we're bombarded with it everywhere we turn and yet the young and hip crowd wants to freak out when anyone of any age or wisdom points out the obvious to you all? I'm sorry, but when the majority of people out there hear that a young, black, rap artist was found dead in a field, the first things they think about are: he was shot, drugs were involved, gangs were involved or it was a rap war. Now if that offends your sensibilities, maybe you should start having some sense and let your hip/hop artists know via boycotts and album sales that you're tired of being portrayed as or represented by people that profit from the hurt of others. The young black folks today could take a lesson from Bill Cosby. Clean yourselves up, learn to speak English, get your education any way you have to (even if it's self taught in a public library on the weekends) but stop pandering to these fools that keep telling you that all you can do in life is sling crack, run a ball or rap, because we all know (by looking at the Lionel Richies and Bryant Gumbles of the world) that that's just a load of crap.

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thomgreen (Anonymous) says…

I think it's pretty apparent from the moment the first postings that people are quick to make a judgement without all the facts. If you know how this young man was killed and for what reasons, maybe you should be speaking to the police instead of posting on a comment board, but until then, maybe you should just reserve your judgement until there is more information.
This was a human being, just like the rest of us, flaws and all. None of us are perfect, we've all made mistakes in our lives, whether they're big or small. Not everyone has the opportunities to succeed and often the majority of people are set up to fail. The fact is, no one deserves to die at such a young age, whether he was murdered, died in a car accident, or was diagnosed with cancer.

Best wishes to his family, friends, and wife.
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kcaudioguy (Anonymous) says…

Good post Tone ,even though for this town it won't do any good. We all lost a good man here. One of the most humble people I've ever met.

I just don't have the strength or energy left after these past few days to put up a super lengthy post but I will say this. For those that knew him, none of the nonsense mentioned here should matter. You know it's not the truth. Violence just wasen't part of his nature. Can't ever remember seeing him get truly angry since I've known him.

Hardest working guy in the lab. Tried his best to stay in the Word. A loss like this will never be forgotten.

May God's peace, love and comfort find and protect the family and the hundreds, if not more, friends, associates, co-workers, fans and on down the line who knew and/or were touched by the life of Anthony “Clacc” Vital.

RIP Clacc Dad… See ya when I get there…

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justthefacts (Anonymous) says…

The question:

“Comments on this page and lots of the others are sad….does anyone remember what your mothers and fathers taught………”If you don't have anything nice to say…..Don't say anything at all.” I find it crazy that the only comments I find on here day after day are negative. Why are there no comments on the positive articles?”

My answer:

This is the norm. Most commenters do so anonymously (no problem there) and thus act like cowards in attacking people they wouldn't be so mean to meeting face to face. I have almost given up trying to urge civility and kindness on these boards. It doesn't matter the topic; there are some people who use this medium as outlets to vent their spleen, be hateful, spread lies, and in general show their lack of “home training” and intelligence.

Animals and the insane act like bullies and destroy all they can touch. Saints and real human beings build up and respect other people.

My deepest sympathies to the family and friends of this young man. It is never anything but sad and painful to lose a loved one, especially someone so young. Please forgive those who are so quick to judge or say hateful things.

As you treat others, so shall you be treated.
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9999 (Anonymous) says…

Hey Tone, well said. These people's ignorance really made me sick to my stomach. I know it's public but like I said before have some respect and take your comments and judgements elsewhere.

Ash
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Motivation (Anonymous) says…

LPD!! Please solve this case!! I sure hope the Lawrence Police Department is reading all of these posts. This crime cries out for quick and swift justice. Although, I had moved away before truly getting to know “Clacc,” I hope this gets solved and all posts can be put to rest and FINAL.

kcaudioguy…

I only hope that this case is solved quickly. i'm no longer living in L-town, but miss you all dearly. Hopefully, this won't stop the positive things that Da Bomb Squad is doing for the youths there.

“Motivation” is hard to come by, but the “ambition” it produces rocks the world. ;)
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rpk (Robert Kerley) says…

First of all, condolences to the friends, family and all affected by this tragedy.

It's easy to dismiss something you don't like as inherently bad or the root cause for other bad things, but that simply isn't the case. “Scientific” studies that start with an agenda aren't scientific at all (especially when they're not cited).

The idea that drugs and violence have less of an effect outside the hip-hop scene needs to be put in perspective as well. First of all, this sad tradegy did not happen at a venue or hip hop event. Without researching, I can name off the top of my head the following jazz artists who died due to drugs or shady circumstances: Billie Holiday, Lester Young, Chet Baker, Charlie Parker, Joe Williams, etc. This doesn't mean that everyone associated with jazz is in a drug culture. How many rock and roll overdoses can you think of off the top of your head?

As for violence, has anyone heard of the Zoot Suit Riots? Bus loads of Marines were brought in to California to enforce a curfew in LA against pachucos who wore a distinct type of clothing and listened to (*gasp*) swing music. The hysteria grew so large that members of “white” bands were being assaulted because their suits bore resemblance to zoot suits: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/zoot/eng…
There have been greasers against moptops, skins against mods, rockers against punks, etc. Some “people” are violent — but most likely music is not the factor that makes them so.

The debate on musical influence is not relegated to 20th century movements. Four part harmony is still frowned upon by some religions and has consistently been deemed “devil's music”: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polyphon…

Finally, since it was mentioned, studies on video game and it's relationship to violence are highly questionable. If any sources were actually cited about the hip hop studies, they'd probably be scrutinized in the same way: http://www.pbs.org/kcts/videogamerevo…

I'm not trying to ruffle feathers here, but there certainly seems to be some tunnel vision in that hip hop is the enemy du jour. It was Elvis in the 50s, the Beatles in the 60s (remember record burning?), heavy metal in the 70s, etc., etc. The issue at hand is a possible crime and the death of a human, not a genre of music.
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9999 (Anonymous) says…

If we all knew I would hope the police would have someone arrested right?

And by the Way rap is about nothing but guns and drugs and slapping girls? Are you serious? You've heard two rap songs your whole life and formed your opinion. Of course there are songs about that, that is the reality of some people's lives. Would like them to sugar coat it? It's a struggle and more often then not that it was is being said. But that's not rap as a whole. Listen to some of Clacc's lyrics. He raps of faith, love and hope. Doesn't sound much like guns and drugs does it? You want to teach your kids something, show them what you say and show them a great example of what stereotyping is. This isn't what we should be wasting our energy on. It's beginning to disgust me.
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acg (Anonymous) says…

I'm sure that was directed at me 9999, and I've heard way more rap than you would think. See, I'm not a punk kid. I was a teenager when rap first became popular and mainstream. I was listening to rappers like Run DMC, the Beastie Boys, Easy E, Ice T, Ice Cube, NWA and Too Short back when you were probably swinging from your momma's tit, so don't tell me about the content of rap. Should we go over some rap lyrics together? The way I see it, the rap that talks of faith and love isn't what's being pimped to my kids. I'm not hearing lyrics like “love your neighbor”, I'm hearing “from the window, to the wall. Til the sweat drips from my balls, to all you b***ches crawl”. Positive message? Where's it at? And before you start talking smack, Lil Jon sold out everywhere so that tells me that the fans want to hear it. You want your form of entertainment to be taken seriously, take it seriously and change it so the rest of us can stomach it.

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Shardwurm (Anonymous) says…

“…show them what you say and show them a great example of what stereotyping is.”

My children know exactly how I feel about it. Stereotyping? Perhaps the entire rap community should take a look at itself and decide what image it's portraying. How can one not stereotype when the hip-hop community continues to portray itself the way it does?

Be indignant if you want. The rap community decided to create an image and now that they have it they're complaining? lol

As I posted before: I'm sorry for this loss of life.

I wouldn't have posted at all except that Mr. Gaines got on this site and presumed to tell me that his music had more influence in my children's life than I do.

You want stereotyping to stop? Then stop posting crap like that.
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carolannfugate (Anonymous) says…

I just do not understand why the “Rap” issue is so relevent. Also I do not know why something that happened in 1997 is such a big deal either but 6 news thought it just had to be mentioned in their report.
I think it is fair to say everyone has made an error or two in their lives. Again a Young man with much ahead of him died alone in the cold. We should all give due respect and get off the censorship of expression.
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jaded1 (Anonymous) says…

Motivation: point of Order…. this is The Douglas County Sheriff's Department's case. It is not the LPD's.
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hawksdomain (Anonymous) says…

“We read it, we hear it, we're bombarded with it everywhere we turn and yet the young and hip crowd wants to freak out when anyone of any age or wisdom points out the obvious to you all? I'm sorry, but when the majority of people out there hear that a young, black, rap artist was found dead in a field, the first things they think about are: he was shot, drugs were involved, gangs were involved or it was a rap war.”

And then later he said “See, I'm not a punk kid. I was a teenager when rap first became popular and mainstream. I was listening to rappers like Run DMC, the Beastie Boys, Easy E, Ice T, Ice Cube, NWA and Too Short back when you were probably swinging from your momma's tit, so don't tell me about the content of rap.”

I'm guessing you are about my age, and Thank YOU for the compliment on the age…

btw I'm a white female…. I despise groups like EZ E because of the message. Take a listen to what Anthony and his boys did, it's not bad. I don't listen to rap, would much prefer the craziness of Ozzy eating the bat on stage.

Rap music is what a great majority of the 'kids' of today are listening to. Like it or not. Have you ever heard of rebellion? I do not personally know one person who did 100% of what their parents told them to, do you?

I think you need to be less judgmental and more accepting of our differences, after all the only way parents will be able to influence a 'typical' teen is by example, and I certainly hope you are not raising more haters like yourself.

Oh yes, one more point. Have the police called it a murder? Have you ever heard of a murder by gunshot that wasn't called that right from the start? I'd be willing to bet my soul that a gun was not involved.
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LtownCutie32 (Anonymous) says…

This is Anthony's niece…We havent found out the details about what happend yet…nor are we able to see his body…and for everyone that is suspecting things please stop…Writing your little two sense that are rude and un-necessary dont help the family. We are going through a really rough time as it is and when we get on here and look at what people wrote we would like to see people trying to comfort us. My uncle was a Talented, Caring, Warm Hearted, and the most amazing person you could meet. There was no reason his life should have been taken away. His goal in life was to help the youth and get everyone involved in something they like. He has never done anything to harm anyones life. He may have had his down moments and did things he wasnt supposed to but we all have. But he never did anything to be taken out of the world like he was. So please everyone could you show more respect on here instead of writing negative things. Also stick to the topic…This isnt a game this is his life.

I love you uncle Anthony you will truely be missed but never forgotten!

<3 Jenny
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Aiko (Anonymous) says…

Amen! RIP
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9999 (Anonymous) says…

So sterotyping is okay as long as you agree with the message?
And listen to Clacc's lyrics before you compare his art to Lil John or Eazy E. All this started because an ignorant human being implied that he had it coming because he makes rap music and must be a drug-selling gangsta then had the nerve to say “1 down 1000 to go.” If you influence your kids more then rap good but it's too bad what you're influencing is hate and judgement.
But I'm done with this conversation. For the last time I ask you to have some respect for the friends and family who just lost a love one and take your hatred somewhere else and let those of us who knew the man mourn without having to defend him against your narrow minded stereotypes.
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LtownCutie32 (Anonymous) says…

Everyone please stop with the negative postings! as 9999 said let us mourn without having to defend him. This is my uncle for christ sakes….Please help us take this better not make it worse! Thats all we ask…we come on here to see the support we have for our loss and all you have to say is he died because of drugs and because he was a rapper….All this is Bull! Stop…you dont know him you didnt know what hes like….I did and he was one of the best people you could ever meet. All I ask is to show respect for my family! Thats what this is here for not for your negative responses. We need all the support and love we can get and for most of you we arent getting that….cause we come on here and have to defend someone where we just lost him!

Thanks….Jenny

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carolannfugate (Anonymous) says…

I have seen this kind of thing often on the boards. Maybe it is about people needing to find a reason for such an act instead of it being some senseless act. I am not excusing anything that has been said for the most part it has been hateful an inappropriate. Inany case cutie32 I hope you and your family can find some resolution and peace in the end.
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LtownCutie32 (Anonymous) says…

If you dont have anything nice to say stay off of here then…please thats all we ask!
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ForThePeople (Anonymous) says…

This is a “community forum” not your “personal” site. People are here to discuss what has happened in our community. And if you don't like that, perhaps you should create a private site, dedicated for family and friends only.
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LtownCutie32 (Anonymous) says…

Did I ever say it was a personal fourm….didnt think so. All I ask is that you guys not have negative bull crap to say on here….that would be really respectful and you guys arent discussing whats going on your are discussing something that you think you know but no one has any clue….just leave it to the police to tell you what really happend dont assume anything. I just ask for respect on here…I am a 17 year old and I have more respect than you.
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daman (Anonymous) says…

I couldn't get through all posts before I posted, guess I'm selfish that way. So if I am repeating another sane persons post, I apologize. In the end, I would bet he was murdered and it was by gun fire and it was gang and/or drug related (two go together regardless of what some say). Before I buy into what a positive influence he was and how he had a job, blah, blah, blah, remember, he was convicted of aggravated burglary! That means he broke into a home with a person or people inside. Sounds like a great role model to me … not!
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daman (Anonymous) says…

By the way, what signs are they “throwing” in the picture? I doubt it's “hi mom”. Gangsters pure and simple. Live by it, die by it!
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LtownCutie32 (Anonymous) says…

the signs they are throwing up are Mid West….thats where we live!
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LtownCutie32 (Anonymous) says…

Also if you cant tell….he isnt even throwing up the signs…his arms are crossed in the pic…he is on the far left…so before you make judgements get facts straight!

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9999 (Anonymous) says…

LtownCutie32,
Just forget it, really stop reading the site. Like they said it is a public forum so leave them to their disrespectful ways. I am so sorry for your loss and I don't think this is something you should have to be subject to and these upstanding citizens would rather throw it in your face then take their comments elsewhere. If they want to sit here and slander someone who they didn't know and was just murdered what can you do? I suggest that they make a hate website, it better suits their comments. Don't waste your energy. People would rather judge, sterotype and talk crap then respect mouring family and friends. I don't agree but let the ignorant dwell amongst themselves. Maybe you can make him a myspace page, a memorial. That way you can choose who can comment and we can have something positive to focus on instead of this. I'm not going to tell you who I am on here but you're his neice, I'll figure it out, maybe I can help you with the page, okay? Really, just leave this page alone.
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dacs23 (Anonymous) says…

I find it odd how individuals say that a person is Godly and a Gangster rapper. Isn't that similar to a terrorist who kills people in the name of Islam. When did Jesus slap a woman?

You are right, we should not equate rap with guns:.oh wait. Wasn't their first album put out by Lock-N-Load Records? Isn't Clacc the sound a gun makes, or did he pick that street name because he listens to NPR? No no your right no correlation there at all. My bad. And I'm sure it had nothing to do with gangs: oh wait aren't they throwing gang signs in their picture.

If he was so into God he should have been singing gospel
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LtownCutie32 (Anonymous) says…

9999….. just like LtownCuite is saying this is a place were family can get on and see the respect. but when people like u get on here and make bad comments and stuff it is not making us feel any better… RIP uncle Anthony
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laprincesa (Anonymous) says…

dacs23.. if you knew what you were talking about, you would know that he did do some gospel.
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9999 (Anonymous) says…

read what i've been saying the whole time, defending him. these people are ignorant and i do agree what they need to take it somewhere else. unfortunately these people are too inconsiderate. i just thought i would give her an idea of something else to create where she didn't have to deal with these heartless people. you really got what i was saying twisted. these should be a place where people have respect for others, i knew clacc and this crap said makes me sick. i just didn't think it was doing her any good to have to be subjected to it, that's all
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crazyks (Anonymous) says…

He wasn't murdered? What makes you think he wasn't murdered? Is it common for people to be found dead, in the middle of nowhere, that haven't been murdered?

Why are they looking for a particular car, with a particular license plate? That sure makes it sound like they have a suspect in mind.

If you don' think he was murdered, then what do you think happened? Most 28-year-olds don't die from natural causes.
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9999 (Anonymous) says…

It's been determined a murder and they do have a suspect, 6:00 news, kc star
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LtownCutie32 (Anonymous) says…

i m very sorry i did not mean u

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9999 (Anonymous) says…

once again i'm sorry for you, the family, and i'm just hoping ya'll get something positive going, this is so sad and it makes me sick this is how people show respect. i am sorry for your loss and sorry for the ignorance you're having to witness during your time of mourning. those of us who knew him know how he was and will miss him. forget what they talking about.
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juskat2004 (Anonymous) says…

Can we quit arguing ang pray for Anthony. I both Knew him and loved him, and please,please, he was somebodys son,husband and friend, and now, hes gone. Imiss you more today than you know. My Homie, My friend, your death had nothing to do with being black,he died because someone took his life. If anyone knows anything i plead with you please end his wifs,and familys pain and say something to tips hotline. lets not have another ManMan. somebody atleast help Anthony.
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adopted (Anonymous) says…

Ya'll want to say …” Well at least he is in a better place”. I hope and pray that you're right. The only way that would be possible though is if Clacc truly repented from his old lifestyle and accepted Jesus Christ as his personal Lord and Savior. Repented means to turn from and also be deeply remorseful for the sin he had committed against God and try to live for God. Believing Jesus is the living Son of God who died and was raised again, so that we could also die and rise again, forgiven and live eternally with God. Then yes he is in a better place…if not then praying won't help now. Why don't we pray that God gives comfort to his family in this time of sadness and pray that everyone reading this is right with God so that when the time comes we will all go to a better place. I am so sorry Clacc's life had to end this way , but it seems like it is happening more and more with our youth and them thinking there is something honorable about going out like this. Could it be the music or maybe our attitude or maybe our pride…whatever the cause it is sad. Hopefully Clacc was saved, are you? Are you willing to risk eternity on it? Are you right with God?
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Tychoman (Anonymous) says…

Just when I thought this thread couldn't get any more out of line, adopted posts THAT.
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avonannierose (Anonymous) says…

kansas city channel has already given out more information that LJworld!!

http://www.thekansascitychannel.com/n…

they have a “person of interest”!
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djazz (Anonymous) says…

I'm not too fond of Rap. In the money makers, seems to make them some. But is this music? Seems to me to creates a lot of chaous, and unintended consequiences.

Kind of like boxing. Does that produce any real positive results for society? George Foreman cashed in with his grills. Tyson, is he a good role model?

Just asking, not telling!
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Motivation (Anonymous) says…

I can't believe what people say on these blogs. Excuse me…correction…Douglas County Sheriff, please solve this!!

However, all of you that think Clacc needed to “repent,” he was doing his best to make things better from what I know. Oh yeah, and like any troubled youth would truly listen to gospel music. I hope the Vital family makes peace with this.

Family;

Please, please, just keep his goodness in your heart and “Hold On.” I had a friend play the song for me today…unfortunately, I've been tied up with school, work and other events and haven't been able to get a copy of the last CD…I'm looking to purchase one now and hope that the whole crew keeps the faith in what they were doing. If it reaches just one youth, it will be worth it. Love always to you all.
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Sigmund (Anonymous) says…

Major Edwards, Jr. is the “person of interest listed in the KC paper.
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http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2000/nov…

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manyblessings (Anonymous) says…

How heartbreaking for the family of this young man who lost his life. Praying for your comfort during this time. ALL life is precious no matter the color of the person's skin or whether they burglarized someone's house in the past or are on drugs or create a type of music we don't allow our children to listen to. Whoever the killer was has family that will be hurt by this also. I wonder what the motive for this killing could have been? Major may have had the capability of doing this, but why would he do it? We still have to be careful not to jump to conclusions too quickly, there is a good reason for innocent until proven guilty laws. I am so sad to see another life taken. I hope that this young man and Robert and all the others that have lost their lives in recent years around here each had a chance to get right with the Lord before their time came and that family members and loved ones will find comfort, peace and hope for the future despite this great tragedy.
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jafs (Anonymous) says…

rpk, thanks for your comments/response to my post - they are thoughtful and deserve a response. Firstly, as a 25-30 year jazz fan, I am of course aware of the tragic deaths of the artists you mentioned. Also, as I mentioned in my post, other types of music would have similar effects (I would include some rock, industrial gothic, etc.) - I wasn't singling out rap/hip-hop. All studies start with an hypothesis (not the same thing as an agenda), which is proven or not by the study. And I know that each generation seems to hate the next's musical expressions. However, I still hold there are meaningful distinctions to be made. While Billie Holiday, etc. died from drug use/abuse, they weren't killing other people. Also, while I hope that there is a fair amount of positive message in some rap music today, I would think that the majority is still negative and includes glorification of drugs, violence, and very destructive attitudes towards women. If I'm wrong about this, I'd be happy, and hope that positive messages are the future of rap. Re: video games, movies, etc. I wish I had specific studies on all of this, including the one on music, to offer, but I don't. I suppose it's because it makes common sense to me that as our children are exposed to more and more violence in movies/games, it becomes less real to them and more acceptable. When you tear someone's head off and drink their blood in a video game, that must have an effect on one's psyche. And, from personal experience, I know that games/movies have a stimulating/overstimulating effect on one's body/emotions. We are an extremely violent culture at this point, and I would like to see us do what we can to reduce that. Being careful about what children are exposed to seems like a reasonable effort in that direction.