Harold Leach has pretty much given up hope that his son, Randy, will ever be found alive.
But the Linwood man still has hope that he'll learn what happened to Randy.
That hope, at least for the moment, lies in "Leaves of Words," a play about the mystery written by a Kansas University graduate student that will make its premiere next weekend.
"We thought it would be a terrific idea, and we were more than happy to get any help we could on it," Leach says. "We knew it might generate some curiosity and maybe a phone call or two with some insight into what did take place. I don't know much more now about what happened than I did 18 years ago."
The play, produced by KU's English Alternative Theatre, was written by Tim Macy, a Topeka student majoring in playwriting.
He got the idea from his father, who was interested in the case and collected newspaper clippings on it.
At the time, Leach's disappearance was big news locally. He was last seen April 15, 1988, at a party five miles from his home.
"I thought it would be a good subject," Macy says. "I went out and talked with (Harold Leach) for a little while to feel him out and see if he was receptive. We ended up talking for three hours."
Randy Leach
The play, which runs about one hour, 20 minutes, features Lawrence actor Jeremy Auman playing the part of Harold Leach. The father character narrates the play, going through various scenarios that could have happened to his son.
"It's more the hashing-out of the scenarios with the father," Macy says. "I wanted to illustrate this is a frustrated person because he ran into so many brick walls."
Not only have investigators never found Randy Leach, they never found the 1985 Dodge 500 he was driving at the time.
The various scenarios - dealt with both by investigators and in the play - range from suicide or runaway to being murdered by drug dealers or satanists.
Macy sorted through hundreds of police reports and other documents to write the play and tried to include as many possible scenarios as he could.
"Even with that, I didn't manage to get all the scenarios in," he says. "It could have been a four-hour, epic play."
'Intense play'
Past Event
"Leaves of Words"
- When: Friday, October 6, 2006, 8 p.m. to 9:20 p.m.
- Where: Lawrence Arts Center, 940 N.H., Lawrence
- Cost: $6 - $10
- More on this event....
The story - both in real life and onstage - is captivating, actors involved say.
"One thing this play does is it really pulls the thousands of pieces of information together into one dramatic fashion," Auman says.
Garrett Kelly, a freshman from Tonganoxie who plays Randy Leach in the production, says it's not difficult to put himself in a similar situation.
"It's a very intense play and story," Kelly says. "He's sort of my age, too, so it's scary to think about it. I've been to parties."
Kelly says there's added pressure knowing the case affected local people.
"It's really tough," he says. "I never knew this person, and this was a real person. People coming to see the play know this kid, and this story affected people. You have to imitate it, but you can't recreate it."
Parents' hope
Mackenzie Wiglesworth, left, a KU sophomore from Olathe, portrays a girlfriend of Randy Leach in a rehearsal with Tonganoxie freshman Garrett Kelly, who portrays the missing teen. The play, by the English Alternative Theatre, examines several story lines of what could have happened to Leach, who disappeared in 1988.
Harold Leach and his wife, Alberta, plan to attend all three performances of "Leaves of Words." They say many friends and family also will attend.
"I know it won't be easy, but it's kind of like you don't really have a choice as far as we're concerned," Leach says. "It's something we need to do."
Detectives have opened new investigations into the case occasionally through the years. The most recent came in late 2002, when the Leavenworth County Sheriff's Office and the Kansas Bureau of Investigation briefly formed a task force to look at the case.
But that investigation, like the others, didn't lead anywhere. Leach still isn't sure which - if any - of the scenarios he's thought of seems most plausible.
He still has hope that a show such as "America's Most Wanted" will pick up the story and shed a national spotlight on it.
But for now, he's hoping the play and new media attention surrounding it might convince someone to finally explain what happened.
"A lot of the guys now - this was 18 years ago - may have children almost as old as Randy was," Leach says. "We'd hope they had some sort of conscience, even if they were involved. All it takes is one phone call."
From left, actors Jeremy Auman, KU graduate, portrays Harold Leach, Randy's father; Dylan Walker, KU senior from Anchorage, Alaska, portrays a drug addict, and Robert Steele, senior from Kansas City, Kan., portrays a police officer in a rehearsal from "Leaves of Words." The play opens Friday at the Lawrence Arts Center.
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rednekbuddha (Kelly Powell) says…
If they use real names in this play I stop it while it is on stage.....The leach's are hurting over randy, I sympathize with them.....What they fail to understand or care about is the other people who have been hurt too....hurt by rumors that got started,the lies and innuendos that have cause more than a few people to have to be interviewed every few years by investigators.....I wonder if harold told the writer the stuff about him and terry martin ...martin who would play himself off as a reporter for the kc star or unsolved mysteries.....martin who seduced a female detective and illegally obtained the investigation reports for the leach case....martin who then tried to sell them to anybody he could...martin(aka harry lee harper) who ran off when his plans fell through and using the story that "the satanist" were out to muder him(sounds like a great story to sell).
Or i wonder if harold told the story about how he gave his cousin my address and the man held me and witnesses at gunpoint until the cops managed to show up.....other peoples lives have been ruined by this and never one word of apology from him and his family when all the evidence proves them wrong on many things.
the best article written about this (the martin thing not the gun thing) is done by the kc star you will have to look in the archives, but the story is well worth the couple of bucks.
bluecollarpirate (Jeremy Auman) says…
The only name used in this play is Randy Leach. Mr. Rombeck and other journalists covering the performance have chosen to write their coverage more on the case than on the play itself. This is a theatrical event not Cold Case Files. It is unfotunate and probabaly unavoidable when dealing with such material. This is sensitve stuff, many people have had their lives "ruined" over this thing. This play has no answers and never proclaims to. It explores many possible scenarios not all of which are favorable toward the Leaches. The play is called Leaves of Words, it is about words, so many generated by so many people over so many years.
It is unfortunate that innocent people heve been harrassed, and many people are owed apologies, and all of us as human beings that value life are owed answers. Since the beginining this investigation has been flawed. Leaves of Words recognizes that this is the most true fact, other than the fact that Randy hasn't been seen since that night. Plays serve many functions and this play doesn't solely exsist to put forth Harold Leach's theories, or any others for that matter. What happend here is a prime example of the American Justice system failing. Although times were different then and in missing person cases esp. involving teens the authorities were more apt to take a "wait and see" approach. That's why as years go by people will be questioned repeatedly, new investigators have to check statements, and in a case filled with pages and pages of conjecture and rhetoric the facts are blurred.
Martin even though he was trying to "make his name" did do thorough research, in fact the Star barely covered the case, perhaps to avoid assocation with Martin's scandolous and fraudulent behavior. Nevertheless, the play is not in "bad taste" and to suggest not writing about a case that is not solved, is the proverbial ostrich in the sand, and a recuring theme in regards to the Leach case. Harold Leach was forthcoming on the good, the bad, and the ugly of this case. He did not write, or have anything to do with the production other than providing documents and telling stories to the playwright, thru the course of their interviews.
Many lives were ruined, and regardless of how people feel about Mr Leach and his obsession with the case, witnesses and police ineptitude, one fact is clear: Randy Leach is gone with no explanation. No father, mother, aunt, friend or human being should have to live with that. Unfortunately in our society it happens all the time. We can cast blame on ghosts and shadows or we can stand up in whatever way possible to keep things like this from happening. That is what Leaves of Words might help to accomplish.
rednekbuddha (Kelly Powell) says…
Sounds fine and dandy until you are the one staring down a barrel of a 357 with a drunk meth head interrogating you....and the star did a whole page and 3/4 of another about the martin aspect....i've personally seen the rumor mill take off every time there is another investigation and I'm telling you this right here and now, this play will help warp more peoples perceptions just as much as 18 years have.
rednekbuddha (Kelly Powell) says…
And if you were harassed as much as me and others over something for allmost 20 years, i believe you would want to bury that damm ostrich all the way into the sand.....have fun hurting people for your art.
Katmandu (anonymous) says…
rednekbuddha - What did happen at the Erwin's party the night that Randy Leach disappeared? You were there. Why not use this forum to enlighten us with your version of events?
rednekbuddha (Kelly Powell) says…
Because it was allmost 20 years ago...I have answered to legal authoritys and to harold leach.....I want this done...obviously telling the truth has not done a damm thing....this sh!t is cyclic...about every three years I have to see that f*cking picture again....I have no idea what happened to this guy, but as anybodys god as my witness, if he shows up alive somewhere I will beat him to death for the grief he has caused me and mine.
Katmandu (anonymous) says…
You sound as though you are prone to violence.
pity2bu (anonymous) says…
rednekbuddha don't bring God into this as a witness, because he can never take the witness stand and testify on behalf of your integrity. When you use something like this phrase you must be hiding something.
Open the case up and letttt'sss digggggggggg till we can't diggggg anymore. If that's for years then let's do it.
rednekbuddha (Kelly Powell) says…
spend the cash and do a background search on me if you are so interested ......Plus this is not "digging", This is a play.....How much of it is fiction? I'll find out when I see it....As for hiding something...I do not see your name behind your moniker....What are you hiding?
If I decided to make a comic book about this whole fiasco, I bet the leaches would raise a stink about it....i know, I'm a heartless b*stard for being fed up and sick of having to deal with a persons disappearance for allmost 20 years....I have allready had at least 10 people come up and tell me about this play and proceed with the whole armchair detective b.s....how many more will it be after the play?
If i was truly "prone" to violence, I would of exacted payback years ago....i was the one held at gunpoint, and I was the one who dropped charges as a token of goodwill.....Did I ever get a thank you?I was accused by harold and martin years back....Something along the lines of"we know you did it, but if you show us where the body is we will give you money, immunity and make you a hero"....This line of b.s was followed by accusations of me being a satanist and my best friend being worse....I called harold a few years later and told him i forgave him for this.....What irks me is the man never once tried talking to me....I would of told him the same thing(the truth) but he had to go all sherlock holmes at me.....he acted put out that I contacted him!
I have cooperated with the cops from day one.....i went out of my way not to get into a feud with the leache family.....Man, I must be some kind of monster.
rednekbuddha (Kelly Powell) says…
and pity2bu....in what context was i calling god forth to testify to my integrity? i swore on any gods name that if the guy was alive i would beat him lifeless for the trouble he has caused people....believe me that exact quote is in the last deposition i gave to the police three years ago.... here is a question...I passed a polygraph...did harold leach ever have to take one?
Katmandu (anonymous) says…
My understanding is that Harold did take a polygraph during the 2002 re-investigation - and he passed. Harold shares his ideas as to what he thinks happened at the party with anyone who asks. I'm sure that you have told your story to the police, but the public has not heard your take on what was happening that night. Tell us what was going on the party. What do you think happened to Randy Leach?
rednekbuddha (Kelly Powell) says…
who are you? I do not give information to a masked man....I have told my story to anybody who has asked me to my face....What is the basis of your understanding? are you part of this thing or just another vulture?You want to know, put your real name up on the board like I have........Here is the gist of it though....I went to a party,....randy was intoxicated....I left the party....two weeks later I am being hassled by the cops....That is what it really boils down to....Myself(outsider) and my best friend(local weirdo) and a whole bunch of townies caving in to the leading questions of the leavenworth county cops(who was using the whole thing as carte blanche to crack down on drug dealers)so i will ask once again....who are you? put up a name or shut up.
justsomewench (anonymous) says…
beat 'em to the punch, kelly. sounds like it's been an interesting ride. there's an author out there that'd put it down on paper for ya, surely.
i've always heard this story, but never really knew much about it...sounds like it got a lot creepier than it had to.
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rednekbuddha (Kelly Powell) says…
Screw you buddy....walk in my shoes for 18 years and see how warm and gooey you would feel about this.....i do not remember ME lying to the leach family....I certainly do not remember ME putting a gun to anyones head and threatening their life......while on the other hand I remember THEM doing this to me......I cooperated for 18 years and the one time i told them i was sick of answering question(the same questions) I was thrown in jail for the weekend.....i have property confiscated by the cops and never returned....How much testing do you need to do before you can say it has nothing to do with this case?
and let's look at the lies here....Harold says he got police investigation reports from unknown sources...but in the kc star article, sept 5, 1993 shows that he was given this material by martin, who got it from weston(a detective who was suduced by martin....I wonder how her husband , the sheriff felt about this?) Hell, i have the reports......why lie about this?
Anytime in the last 18 years the leach family could of tried talking to me like a human being....but what they did was harrass my family through the mail....so i'm a cold bastard...I am what THEY made me.
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rednekbuddha (Kelly Powell) says…
something came out wrong....Leavenworth polic threw me in jail for a weekend because I refused to answer any more questions(I did the next week....)and aslan.....Real christian of you wishing harm on my offspring....If I had kids I would be wounded....Anytime you feel like growing a pair look me up.
myopinionwontmatter (anonymous) says…
My only thoughts on this matter are...for someone so "innocent" you certainly are doing alot of defending yourself here....hummmm.....whats up with that?
dthroat (anonymous) says…
Or maybe (despite his vociforus (sp??) protestations, he did NOT cooperate with the police and made everybodys life miserable.
not saying he was involved. i personally do not think he was, but he "doth protest too much."
Redneck - get a life and get over it if you are not guilty. And like I say, I don't think you were. Just move on.
Katmandu (anonymous) says…
justsomewench: Kelly doesn't need an author to write his story for him. He has a strong voice and the passion to do it himself - and do it well. And, Mr. rednekbuddha, if you did have children and one of them disappeared under mysterious circumstances, I think that your passion for finding that child might express itself in ways that would make Harold Leach look like a choirboy. Put yourself in his moccasins for awhile, and grow a heart.
myopinionwontmatter (anonymous) says…
It all boils down to one thing -why this play is even being done. To basically show the errors made and the time lost in the investigation of a missing child. With the amber alerts that we have now days this case could or should have been solved. It also portrays the frustration (s) that the parents of Randy have had to go thru for YEARS.....my heart goes out to them...how they must go on every day with no "answers"...Mr Powell should let his anger go and "move on" if he has no information or guilt in regards to this case. I can't imagine if this had happened to his child, would he post such comments with no regards to the "purgatory" the Leach's have had to endure all these past years as well as other affected family members and will continue to endure as well, until this case is solved....Lets look "outside the box" in regards to this play portrayal..and learn from the mistakes made in the past, so that another family doesn't have to experience this type of tragedy.
Katmandu (anonymous) says…
My understanding is that Bear Lake was never actually searched. Are there divers in the Linwood / Lawrence area (or a diving club) who would take that on as a project - and perhaps have a look at several of the large ponds in the area as well?
rednekbuddha (Kelly Powell) says…
It's kind of hard to just move on when you get messed with every couple of years....This idea of a play royally pissed me off......But i promise to try to keep an open mind when I go to see it....What I want is them to understand that during their grieving and searching for answers they crossed the line with many people.....And maybe they should try to make amends for that.
rednekbuddha (Kelly Powell) says…
as to growing a heart......like I have allready posted, i turned the other cheek many times in respect for their pain.....I was dragged into this debacle and do not think I am being unfair in wanting them to recognize that they have wronged people.
emilyhadley (Emily Hadley) says…
I think the playwrite is trying to expose many things that went wrong in this investigation, absolutely including everything that happened to Kelly, his friends, and so many others over the years.
I hope you all understand that noone hoping to solve this has all the information, no matter how much we wish we could form sound conclusions from what we heard or saw. It is tempting to form easy answers, but hopefully we can avoid mob justice and trial by fire at this late date.
Many productions have been based on real tragedy. The story is worth being shared, even though no amount of time could pass for the play to be free of the original emotional toll. Those who are put off by the case history are probably best served by steering clear of this recent attention.
It is unfortunate that the police and others dealing with this case were not prepared for it, but I believe that is, to an extent, a price we pay for living in an area where such a disappearance is so unlikely.
Hopefully we can all appreciate the effort Macy has put into synthesizing the information he has gathered, whether we have a direct connection to Randy, have others about whom we have no answers, or find interest in criminal investigation and conspiracy.
JHAWKGURL (anonymous) says…
Kelly
i personally would LOVE to be there for you someday if god forbid something happened to your offspring....I would LOVE to see how you react! You made a choice to be at a party and obviously something you did or said ( I think you know what I am talking about) caused some eyebrows to be raised as to your integrity. did you do something that caused the police to interrogate you??
why are you so hung up on this play?? personally i dont even think you HAD to reply to this whole ljworld. blog unless you have something to hide? Right? SO WHAT if this play "offends" you! you kelly powell did not loose your only child and 18 years later STILL have no answers. So you have been "inconvenienced" in your life....well buddy you were at the party.....and bad things happened...but you are alive, your family knows where you are.....your parents have not spent 18 years wondering where you are?? right??? so get over it! i am very happy that Mr. Macy is putting on this play. I think it is good for not only the Leaches but the entire family of Randy Leach and his friends who have lived the past 18 years without him and lived the past 18 years with nightmares of wondering HOW or IF he was killed. I hope you get over yourself and quit asking for pity.... I believe in God and I belive that whoever had anything to do with the whole disappearence of Randy Leach will meet their maker someday and when they do....they will be punished. My advice to you Kelly is to just get over it...freaking get over it!!! if you are innocent then get on with you life....if you are not...and I am not saying that you are or are not innocent..but if you are not....then I hope you can sleep well at night.......
JHAWKGURL (anonymous) says…
Kelly, also....as you replied earlier
"Screw you buddy....walk in my shoes for 18 years and see how warm and gooey you would feel about this.....i do not remember ME lying to the leach family"
Well Kelly SCREW you as least you ARE alive and can walk in shoes...and you say that you "do not remember lying the Leach family"
Well, what do you remember?
JHAWKGURL (anonymous) says…
ALSO Kelly, in your first response
"If they use real names in this play I stop it while it is on stage....."
why would you go?? If you are so tore up about your past 18 years of "LIVING" with interrogation, why would you attend and bring back the stress of what you have been through?? Just a thought??
rednekbuddha (Kelly Powell) says…
jhawkgirl....I would love to be there if something happened and you got your life threatened and was accused and harassed because you were at a party.....You people are so ready to turn a blind eye to the actions of others simply because it cost you nothing to do so....while i and others had to pay the price....i also see how you take part of an earlier post and leave out the rest....Have you ever suffered a home invasion? Have you ever had a cocked 357 placed against your skull? i bet you would be upset if people just brushed it off with a "have a heart, they are hurting'....that only goes so far
i really do not know what you are talking about at the party....Do you mean when i tried to get him to give up his car keys and asked him if he ever thought about dieing?(He was in no condition to drive and I tried to shock him) Or was it because i was playing around in the bonfire and blowing fireballs and such? or are you talking about when the irwin girl was placed over a dog house and some said "let the sacrifice commence?"....While she was giggling and laughing? does any of this warrant the b.s i and others went through?
Ask the leavenworth cops how much i have cooperated with them.....Ask them how i compare to others who still live in that community.
the reason i give a crap about this is that in my opinion this play will cement false ideas into the heads of people and BECOME reality....That is why I am speaking up now.....That is why I am making sure that if old dirty laundryy is brought up I will make sure it is not too one sided.
The only thing i truly feel bad about is that during the interview with martin and leach, i stated that ken huffman was there.....After they grilled me about it for an hour.....I was not sure if he had been there and finally gave them something they wanted....it had been five years and i truly could not remember if he was there or not...Ken, I am sorry for the weekend in jail you spent because of me.
rednekbuddha (Kelly Powell) says…
And the author of this play stated he hoped it would cause discussion and discourse about the leach case....He got his wish.
rednekbuddha (Kelly Powell) says…
And if i was "hiding" something....wouldnt i just keep low? Believe me lady, I have not been able to keep a secret since i discovered the truth serum called booze when i was 15.......boil down all my statements.....Hell I even apologize for what i said i would do if randy was still alive.....I want the leach family to apologize for the heavy handed way they tried to get information from me....I will 'let it go" when I hear from them that they were wrong in this matter.....
rednekbuddha (Kelly Powell) says…
Just saw the play........
yammytam (anonymous) says…
I know for a fact that Kelly and Robbie had nothing to do with it I knew them well and lost contact with them after I divorced that town Kelly and Rob were good people and would never hurt Randy and its a shame how they were both harrassed all because they way they looked and acted but if you got to know them you would know what good people they really were inside if either of you read this email me I would love to reconnect we had some good times Tammy
rednekbuddha (Kelly Powell) says…
Thank you tammy, you have no idea how good that makes me feel.....I'll get a hold of you this week and will tell rob you want to hear from him.....Like i said, i just saw the play and I was correct in throwing out the info that I did...Not one referance to the hijinks that him and his family did.....just more of the same old story....but now randy is the all american kid pariah ed by all the hedonist lying scumbags that made up the rest of the teenagers at that time.....the class of 88 was how big?40 or 50?the class of 87 was around 37......And apparently we were in cahoots with the lv police to cover up a murder.....The same story terry martin tried to sell in 93......It was shot full of holes then, and it does not hold water now....but hey people, you want to believe in satanic drug cartels that permeate every level of a county so thoroughly that not one piece of credible evidence has been found and no one in 18 years have said anything.....not even to use it to plea bargin out of a crime, then be my guest.
yammytam (anonymous) says…
Hey Kelly I just realized we were at the same play I thought I saw you but wasnt sure did Rob go??
JHAWKGURL (anonymous) says…
Kelly
So, you saw the play and nobody pointed a finger or said anything about you?? Right? SO..get on with your life...as we continue to get on with ours...get over the pity that you want...have i had a home invasion?? no but I lived the past 18 years with nightmares about what the hell happened to Randy!!!! You said
"You people are so ready to turn a blind eye to the actions of others simply because it cost you nothing to do so"
yes kelly it did cost us something!!! It cost us to live the rest of our lives because nobody wants to state what happened at the party!! What really happened!!!! Dont tell me that nobody there knows...that nobody saw anything!! there were people there and they know what happened!!!
Like I said before I am not saying you are or are not innocent..that is not my job to do...
rednekbuddha (Kelly Powell) says…
Pity? i want vindication....and no, the finger was not specifically pointed at anybody....Because the author knew he would get his ass sued off if that happened......
Why does it bother you so much when other people want the truth to be known? Sure, it is not the truth YOU want to hear....but the premise of that since you cannot find an answer then everybody is lieing(including the police) is harmful at best....
the last scenario at the play...randy is screaming 'i will not be sacrificed".....how many people have to tell you he said that in a drunken stupor when he saw people holding down a laughing girl on a dog house and someone said "let the sacrifice commence"? this and a few other strands of b.s is apperentley enough to weave a broadcloth of "satanic drug cartels"(terry martins quote, not mine).
as for his girl friend.....i talked to rob last night and neither one of us saw her there.....that does not mean anything, but thought you should know this.
18 years have passed and never have i got a civil reply from the family......they have amends to make and I will be a thorn in their side until i and others get the vindication we are owed........
Oh and i love the outrage about harold having to take a poly....really sucks when people do not believe you.
rednekbuddha (Kelly Powell) says…
tammy....rob lives out of state, but he is planning a visit.....he would of came for the play, but it was short notice for him.
rednekbuddha (Kelly Powell) says…
"Like I said before i am not saying you are or not innocent...that is not my job to do..."
no, it is not.....neither is it to hinder others who have relative information about this...i know, how dare i speak out at this....you want to know my honest opinion.... the personal investigation by harold leach and his family and other non law enforcement persons is the biggest set back to happen to the leach case.... you helped turn this into a circus(granted, lv investigators were doing a fine job of that all by themselves)....and when your bull in a china shop tactics did not work....When you managed to step on the toes of the investigators enough to start to alienate them, you cried conspiracy!!
yammytam (anonymous) says…
i get so sick of hearing what happened at that party the crime did not happen at the party i was there till the next morning i know and as for the reason why the grounds were cleaned up we were told to pick up all our trash and crap before we went to bed they investigated the wrong people .....did anyone check the little drug trailer next door what about matt zimmerman was he questioned i know in 91 when he kicked my door in with some others he kept shouting lets just do to them what was done to randy i told the cops all this but did they listen hell no like i said they harrased the wrong people and because of that we may never know ......
tuschkahouma (anonymous) says…
I remember having to guard Randy Leach in a high school
basketball game that spring of 1988. He had about 3
inches of height and about 60 pounds advantage on me.
We even played in that quonset hut gymnasium before
the high school was consolidated with Basehor. A month
after that game, I saw him at a north Lawrence gas
station and we recounted the game we playe against
each other. He was a good kid. It just makes me wonder
why people still think small towns are safe. I'm not trying
to single out Linwood specifically, I've simply had too
much experience observing these small towns.
rednekbuddha (Kelly Powell) says…
ya, mutt zimmerman was questioned...he was in jail at the time.
smalltowngirl26 (anonymous) says…
Then who was it who rode around with Randy that day? I thought it was the guy who lived behind the old grocery store that later burned down. Was that not Mutt?
yammytam (anonymous) says…
do you remember who lived in that little trailer next to erwins house it was like right at the front of the driveway kelly email me yammytam@yahoo.com
rednekbuddha (Kelly Powell) says…
I have no idea...but "the iron bridge" was three blocks away(everything in that town was three blocks away) and zimmerman never hung out with randy as i remember.
i do give kudos for the review of the play....It was fair and balanced....that's refreshing.
yammytam (anonymous) says…
no zimmerman never did hang out with randy.......the play was good although some of it was bullcaca..... i wish we knew what happened to him and i have this sinking feeling we may never know...................
yammytam (anonymous) says…
i know who was riding around with him but that doesnt matter it wasnt mutt and fyi mutt lived right on main street not behind the old store i dont think mutt did it but he knows something about something just because of some of the stuff he had said over the years
KUDRAMA (anonymous) says…
This has been a very interest subject to say the least, I have sympathy for the Leach family and everybody involved in this real life nightmare, it sounds like a lot of toes was step on and many people wrongly accused, Although if I had kids and something happen like what Mr. and Mrs. Leach experienced, I'm not sure I would do anything different. Damn right I would be upset and yes may do things incorrectly but damn it we are dealing with a human life! It's my feeling somebody knows what happen, It gives me chills to think that somebody is living with this secret and goes on day to day, After almost 19 years why hasn't someone called anonymously to the Leach family??? Who was the last person to see Randy Leach?? What do they say?? Who is this mut guy and have the police talked to him.
rednekbuddha (Kelly Powell) says…
Yes kudrama...they have talked to him...mutt may of been a junkie and a thief(like so many of us in that town) but he was not a murderer....
contrary to what the play implied, the cops were looking for somebody to bust...in fact, If it had been a straight forward homicide(randys body actually discovered and dead) somebody would of went to jail....whether or not that person was guilty would of been moot.
KUDRAMA (anonymous) says…
It seems as if after one question is asked, ten questions arise. The play question the party's attendees, although reading on the post it seems it may have not happen quite that way, did every body know each other at the party, like the play portrayed?Rednekbuddha sounds like you've also been through hell , assuming you was at the party what is your gut feeling, sucide?? Where's the car??? If not sucide, and he just up and moved away I have a hard time thinking he would never call or something. Whats everybodys opion that actully knew Randy Leach??
rednekbuddha (Kelly Powell) says…
i try not to theorize anymore....So many people throw out so many wild theories that i decided years ago to just concentrate on what I know to be factual...That is one of the reasons I was against this play...in a literary sense it was fine and dandy.....i would of enjoyed it if I did not know anything about the case...but now there is going to be a bunch of people using a fictionalized play as one of their main sources of info when they start sherlock homesing.
I would not say "been through hell"....having cancer would be hell....But all the anger and frustration comes pouring back evertime there is that picture in the paper.......and the paranoia of getting interrogated at gunpoint again....but wait, This will sound like I want "pity".....I would just like to see and end to this even if they do not find him....Or at the very least never having to worry about the cops showing up at my workplace every three years.
KUDRAMA (anonymous) says…
rednekbuddha I'm not trying to call ya out,Although I am interested,I grew up hearing bits and pieces about Randy Leach (i was 7 in 1988) I also am from a small town that was pretty tight nit group,we knew every thing about everybody it seemed, I drove to the little gas station off of Kansas # 32 and seen Linwood,It just puzzles me no one knows anything,Is there something I'm missing?
rednekbuddha (Kelly Powell) says…
i did not believeyou were trying to call me out...in fact your posts were very fair....the fact that this was such a small community is what makes this so weird.....you end up with two camps...the "nobody in such a small group could keep that big of a secret" crowd(I'm a proud member of this one) and the"It must be a huge conspiracy" crowd.
the premise that randy was murdered because he was going to snitch on dealers is laughable....everybody in town knew who was into what and believe me, there were plenty of snitches allready there....i know the leaches love their son, but in the 18 years they have turned him into a hero and a saint....they have warped their memories to the point that "satanic drug cartels" seem reasonable.....and their son must be the hero in their passion play. Cynical and cruel? Maybe....but no crueler then their pogram on anybody who did not cave in to their theorys or accusations.
KUDRAMA (anonymous) says…
I believe what you are saying reference the two camps theories but this even makes it weirder yet, :::and, is mut, matt, zimmerman all the same because yammytam said she seen him with Randy Leach then you said he was in jail?? So could he have been in two places the same evening?? It just caught my attention when I was reading back though the post. Not trying to "sherlock homesing" But as I've stated before somebody has to know, I could belive someone could discard a body and maybe even get away with it, but how could you discard a body and a full size car? Based only on the stuff I've read over the years I always felt the guy probably ran off, But based on the play Mr. Leach protrayed that not being a option. In the play Mr. Leach said he had taken "pictures" of satanic stuff in a cave. Was Satanism even present in Linwood in 1988??
rednekbuddha (Kelly Powell) says…
no, tammy said mutt was NOT in the car...please re read......you were a little young to remember, but satanism was the in vogue boogey man during that time...If you listened to iron maiden and ever once drew a pentagram, you were a satanist....i do not believe he has photos of the 'cave" He states that he has all these santanic imagery on film....Well even if somebody cleaned the walls of the cave...IR or UV imagery would show the figure on the walls.......And where are these photos? i believe if they existed that they would of been printed....but hey, i do not even know where this cave is, so I am bordering on theory.
KUDRAMA (anonymous) says…
Good point!
smalltowngirl26 (anonymous) says…
There is no way the kids at the party could of pulled off the "perfect murder" and kept there mouths shut for so long. Growing up in Linwood this disappearance has always made me uneasy. I know firsthand you can't keep secrets around there. Until recently I believed it had to be Harold. Made the most sense. They were strict parents, kid came home drunk, Dad got pissed and roughed the boy up, got carried away....Tragic. But why would he keep bringing it up if he'd gotten away with it? How would he have passed a poly. Believe me, I would feel better thinking that was what happened.
rednekbuddha (Kelly Powell) says…
I do not know....but i do know it is time to start declaring people innocent....and that some apologies from the family are in order....i could of aired a lot more dirty laundry about this family, but did not, on the grounds that I really am not trying to be vindictive or vengeful....i just want some of the wrongs righted....the fact that their child dissappeared should not give carte blanche for their wrong doings.
KUDRAMA (anonymous) says…
I hear what you're saying and agree that it would be the easy answer, but it also doesn't make sense. Nothing makes sense::If you always do what you've always done, you'll always get what you've always got:.my point is for 18 years the Leach family has created hate and discontent to people they suspected based on information provided by attendees of the party hoping to get answers. Not that any of us would do anything different in the same situation, But are there any other theories exist that haven't be explored?
KUDRAMA (anonymous) says…
Is there a web site for the Leach family,were Mr.Leach could also post?? I tried Yahoo and Google and did'nt find anything.
rednekbuddha (Kelly Powell) says…
Well, for one I would never involve psychics if i was looking for answers.......Two, most of the hearsay about satanism has been proved false...Or at least improbable.....And i believe the leach family has allready posted here....and nothing is stopping him from posting now.
I do not believe i am asking for an easy answer....i just want them to admit they were wrong in their heavy handed attempts at gathering info...hell, i do not even think i can throw a civil suit at them anymore(has been over 7 years since we talked) so admission of guilt would not be a factor.
Katmandu (anonymous) says…
kudrama, The Leaches are not connected to the Internet, but I am certain that friends are providing them with copies of this blog. One person who hasn't been discussed yet is Steve Daugherty, a 36-year-old neer-do-well who was at the party. Daugherty is the one who drove past the Leach home, front and back, at 6 a.m. the next morning. And, coincindentally, he was the one who found the severed foot by the Kaw two years later. Local law enforcement literally sat on that foot for ten years until an angry Alberta Leach finally shamed them into doing a DNA test to determine who it belonged to. Daugherty, who died in 1996, lived in "downtown" Linwood. Some say that his roommate was seen sitting in Randy's car at the Quick Stop earlier that evening. Is that who you saw riding around with Randy, yammytam?
btw, kudrama, i am assuming from your screen name that you were connected with the play. I drove from several states away to be there, and watched the Friday and Saturday night performances. You all were absolutely fantastic!
KUDRAMA (anonymous) says…
Katmandu; I will take no credit for the play, although our KU staff did an excellent job as I have posted previously, one questions turns into ten! Is the roommate still alive?
Katmandu (anonymous) says…
I heard last year that he was terminally ill. Could someone from Linwood enlighten us on that?
yammytam (anonymous) says…
Hey Kelly I wanted to talk to you in email I had some rumors I had heard over the years that I wanted to clarify and didnt want to post them but since you hadnt emailed me I will air them here ............do you remember playing keep away with randys keys with scott and rob??? I dont remember that happening but I wasnt at every scene at the party and do you remember wrestling with randy on the east side of the garage????I wish I could go back in time to that night there is so much I dont remember and so much I do like I said email me anytime (or anyone else that has info or questions) yammytam@yahoo.com we were pretty close at one time Id like to know how your doing what your up to or even do lunch one day or something I miss all my good friends dont miss all the bad ones lol
yammytam (anonymous) says…
Who was Steves roommate????
Katmandu (anonymous) says…
The name that I heard was Jim Hadle. He and Steve were supposedly living in an old store in Linwood. Who was riding around with Randy that night?
yammytam (anonymous) says…
who are you??
Katmandu (anonymous) says…
I am a mental health professional living in Kentucky. Last year I was residing in the city of Leavenworth when one Sunday morning, after finishing a leisurely breakfast at Homer's. I stepped outside to buy a newspaper and saw "that picture" (as Kelly describes it) on the front of the Leavenworth Times. It was the annual story about Randy's unsolved disappearance. I bought the paper, read the article, and, being a parent of three, became righteously angered that something like that could happen and never be resolved. (I became a "vulture" as Kelly likes to refer to non-Linwoodites who have an interest in this case.) I did a lot of research at the Leavenworth Library , the Lawrence Library, and over the Internet. After accumulating a pile of articles, a good friend and I went to see Harold and Alberta. They shared two long afternoons pouring out their heartache, thoughts, and suspicions. I have never done anything with all the information that I collected (lazy vulture, I suppose), but this play has revved my interest up again.
Now, my turn. Who was riding around with Randy that night? Did you ever give that information to the police?
pelliott (anonymous) says…
One may never know what happened. I lost a good friend, he just vanished. They never realy looked for him. Part of it was the times, part that he was a hippy. I am sorry that the investigation hurt some people and yet, they are alive to bitch about it. I don't think they should not investigate this boy vanishing. I remember hearing about the attitude of the first investigators, people said they sneared and made a lot of stupid remarks, you know smart ass type. I am sorry that the investigations were done poorly, that conmen and shysters, gossips and nerds muddied the water. The missing boy deserves a play, all the missing do. I hope the authorities don't close the book.
if you can whine, if you can call your child, if you can go home, your not the victim. It imight be hell. embarassing, infuriating but it is not a missing child.
If my child was missing I would not want to hear that they should quit looking into it because if vexed people after so many years.
Best to the Leach family. Thanks to Tim Macy, I haven't seen the play but heard very good things about.
yammytam (anonymous) says…
I told the police Harold and Alberta and many other investigators everything i know .........in fact a friend of a friend just gave me some information about who dunnit and I immediatley called Harold and KBI and put a call into a detective who went to school with us I have nothing to hide and am more than willing to help out when I talk about being harrassed its because a certain investigator followed me everywhere and kept telling me i was lying and hiding things but hey if it helps in finding out what happened then harrass me all you want I can handle it.
rednekbuddha (Kelly Powell) says…
and were you "vexed"?...If not , shut up.....All I and others are asking is that we want closure on our part....If you have no reason to charge us, quit f*cking interviewing us...And, if you are a rep. of the leach family....apologize for your behaivor!!!!! if the family would of asked us to search a field or dig a trench looking for his son, we would of.....But we never got that dignity of helping...We got accusations....
so , where do you draw the line when it becomes vigalante? a son/ a cousin? a good friend?.....Randy was not a "hippy"...you do not even know this case if you thought he was a hippy...So you are just anothe rvulture trying to feed.
Katmandu (anonymous) says…
Good for you, yammytam. I know that Harold and Alberta are grateful for every lead. Do you have a theory on what happened to Randy?
rednekbuddha (Kelly Powell) says…
And thanks to macy for making a missing persons case into fiction....Yep, this will help it out bunches....Your a tool pelliot.
yammytam (anonymous) says…
I do have a theory and thats all it is a theory I have told everyone that needs to know that theory but Im not going to feed more fuel to the fire and post it here and i know for a fact he did not die at that party and that noone from our school killed him or had anything to do with it we all loved him and Like Kelly said if the family would of asked us to search a field or dig a trench looking for his son, we would of.....But we never got that dignity of helping...We got accusations....
rednekbuddha (Kelly Powell) says…
it will not do any good Tammy....We are witnesses to a satanic murder....because the leach family say's so...the voice heard last is the voice that is heard....My advice to you is to move on....I'm doing this cause I am sick of this...sick to my bones of being accused....i was a junkie and a thief....I did things that made my family ashamed of me.....eventually, I allmost went insane....But one of the things that kept me going was the fact that these hillbillies falsley accused me of killing their child....And by god I was not going to be corral ed into their tweeker conspiracy.....18 years have gone by....and every three of those years I have answered to the authorities on what i thought had happened.....Screw you leaches....Screw you for never believing your neighbors and people who thought you were their friends(I never knew you, but I am one of the few stubborn enough to answer) You chose the hard path of conspiracy and I hope you choke on it.......the entire community would of helped you, but you chose to make us suspect...
KUDRAMA (anonymous) says…
pelliott; You state that you was a close friend then you state "They never realy looked for him" according to the past post it sounds as if the Leach family turned over every rock they could.
KUDRAMA (anonymous) says…
Tammy? " but hey if it helps in finding out what happened then harrass me all you want I can handle it."
I'm glad some see the big picture.
rednekbuddha (Kelly Powell) says…
kudrama...Welcome to the world of vultures....they are the ones who give false tips to the help lines and spread" a friend told me" b.s. .....he (or she) wanted to give their opinion ..but nneded it to sound more genuine....i know the leach family had to deal with these leeches...But my above comment stands....screw you for not allowing us to help....you made suspects of us all and now you are reaping the cost.
pelliott (anonymous) says…
I am sorry, I was not a friend to Randy Leach. I didn't know him. My friend disappeared coming home from Arkansas to Lawrence, he was the hippy. I apoligize for the confusion. I lived here in Lawrence when Randy vanished. The family and the community searched for him wholehearted. I did repeat the remarks people made about some of the questionings. I wasn't at any.
I am not a representative for the Leach family. My heart goes out to them.
Quite a bit of difference between having a theory and Knowing for a fact. I hope the investigation continues.
You can be full of hate and call names, it will hurt you and probably the leach family, but it is a low road.
rednekbuddha (Kelly Powell) says…
you are now a known liar...Shut up before you make it worse on your self...
yammytam (anonymous) says…
They searched what "the good kids" said which was the satanic theory and the "stoners did it" theory what they didnt search was what all the "stoners and bad kids said" we would of formed a solid line from bonner to lawrence and from desoto to bashor if we was asked but instead we was followed everywhere and asked the same questions over and over which we gave truthful answers to the first time asked but they refused to believe us and thought we were lying or hiding something thats whats sad........i wonder if they ever searched the field by the house that sat just north east of red bridge(which you seem to call the old iron bridge) wonder if flannigan was ever questioned .....wonder alot of things
dont know if ill check this again it seems kinda full of bull crapola ive posted my email if anyone that counts wants it
ill keep in touch via email Kelly .........................
I still pray daily that the truth will be found
KUDRAMA (anonymous) says…
Rednekbuda I can't say I understand because I don't !!! But as a outsider looking in at the living nightmare I can see why your are pissed off, You have made many good points. I do not wish to walk a mile in your shoes nor anyone that has been wrongly accused, but I still agree with Tammy " but hey if it helps in finding out what happened then harrass me all you want I can handle it."
yammytam (anonymous) says…
when i say harrass i meant talking to.... nothing about being held at gunpoint whoever did that to kelly owes him a big apology because he didnt do it and didnt deserve that
mike_blur (Mike Blur) says…
The thing that tweaked my interest about this case (and I remember first seeing Randy's face on a flyer at the 6th Street BK back in 1988) was the whole alleged "satanic" aspect of it...it was a sensitive topic for me and my friends who were into the "punk rock" "dark side music" "satanic sh!t and were persecuted on a local, regional, and national basis by the Mainstream media primarily for listening to music, going to shows and having a good time. I've been to several hundred shows in DG CO venues, and have witnessed a few mock-maybe not mock rituals over the years...I kept tabs on the sordid details of Randy's disappearance over the years, and it seemed to me that the "occult" aspect was played up a couple-three years after the fact, during which that time another tragic incident happened (totally unrelated to the Leach case, of course)...Chris Bread getting killed by a hit-and-run motorist as he was walking back to Lawrence from the Outhouse circa 1990. I know for a fact that an acquaintace of mine, who had pre-existing front-end damage to his vehicle and was at the show Chris Bread attended was grilled about the incident until the case broke, and it turned out that some drunk dude rolling the back roads from Eudora to Lawrence ran over Chris....
...I've kept that incident in the forefront of my mind as I've read the posts on this thread over the past week and a half. It's pretty much the same thing. I went to the play Saturday night. I believe Mr. Leach has bought too much into the obsfucation of the "Satanic Solution" to Randy's disappearance. I also didn't quite buy into the LV CO law enforcements' alleged "pooh-poohing" of the whole episode. Granted, i dislike and distrust law enforcement as much as the next upstanding punk rocker, given that the LPD has told me at least four bald-faced lies over the years, but a crime like this seeps above the water table of the street-beat cop.
One question I have of the general populace reading this thread--which issue of National Geographic allegedly had a picture of Randy as an LA street person in the story? I'd like to be able to procure that issue, and maybe provide a scanned image for us all to peruse.
KUDRAMA (anonymous) says…
Tammy, So if nothing happen at the party that night, And according to everything I've learned online he departed the party 2:15-2:30 am with a assuming a short drive home, are there any places a intoxicated person could of drove off and not been seen, or is it possible he could of picked up someone that lost there ride and was walking from the party that may have done something? Rednekbudda needs to hear from the Leach Family, if indeed they are watching.
Johnboy1975 (anonymous) says…
I too feel bad for the family not knowing most be the worst part. I also have kids and I know I would do anything and I mean anything in my power to get some answers. I have heard on here that the whole town cant keep a secret if there is one to keep. I just have two points to add to that. 1. from what I have seen their were only about a handful of kids at the party around 2 a.m. 2. A WHOLE town can keep a secret it has happened before and not to far away. Skidmore Missouri! The town bully was shot in broad daylight in the middle of the street in front of at least forty people. Nobody has ever been charged. Just something to think about.
KUDRAMA (anonymous) says…
What ever happen to this Mut guy
yammytam (anonymous) says…
OK I know I said I didnt know if I would read anything more but being so close to Randy and that whole town at one point Im drawn back. KUDrama I remember seeing Randy at about 1:30 am maybe later cant remember that far back (age lol) yes there were places you could drive off but helicopters and private planes flew over the area my ex father in law has a plane and has for years and i know he has flown over numerous times.Also he had a little more than a short drive the party was held north east of town and he lived west of town.And yes he could have picked up someone who lost there ride BUT there was one kid from school that was sober that was giving people rides home and the dirt road it was on I really dont think anyone would have walked home with that being said I also knew all the kids that went to that school and noone could have killed him I just cant believe that anyone at our party could have done it.Now as for the neighbors thats another story.............John boy and yes there was only handfuls of people left again cant remember exactly how many and yes small towns can keep secrets but I lived there and the whole town isnt hiding something but yes someone is weather or not they r from linwood is something we dont know
and kudrama i dont know what happened to matt I left that town in 93 and at that time he was either living in town or in jail he bounced back and forth as to where he is now I dont know......
rednekbuddha (Kelly Powell) says…
pelliot....the low road was allready taken years ago....I did not put myself there but was dragged there by that family and the conman who tried to capitalize off the case.
KUDRAMA (anonymous) says…
I have been unable to find any kind of web site just for Randy Leach info and etc , does anyone not think this might help ? A place you could post freely ,as it has been done here. and would it help?? just an idea, I would be interested completing such a task if it was thought to be helpful to the Leach family and all involved that needs closure
smalltowngirl26 (anonymous) says…
Mutt is in prison, yet again and it's a good place for the S&M loving freak. Jim Hadl is dead, died a year or so ago from ?throat cancer?.
rednekbuddha (Kelly Powell) says…
So, johnboy1975, Are you saying the town of linwood is populated by satanic drug dealers?
scott_zoeller (anonymous) says…
im one of randys cousins. heres a web site for randy. feel free to post whatever you want. http://www.myspace.com/randyleach
Farmerswife (anonymous) says…
Scott, Not sure if you made the my space account but you might want to consider changing the sex of Randy to a male and not a female.
KUDRAMA (anonymous) says…
Scott, This not a productive/informational site I was referring to. Does the Leach family feel a professional informative site could be helpful???
Johnboy1975 (anonymous) says…
Rednekbuddha Im not saying no such thing I was just stating that secrets can be kept by a group of people. Im not saying that u had any involvement in anything. But just my opion is that you stated you didnt have any kids, I do and I know that I would stick a gun in anyones face to get any kind of knowledge that might be helpful. Plus do you know for a fact that the guy that put a gun to your head might of done it on his own and not at the bidding of Randys family. But like I said to find my kid I would do that in a heartbeat and then probably more. So maybe searching for apology from Randys family isnt what you need but an apology from the man who did it. But Im just an outsider giving my two cents.
Johnboy1975 (anonymous) says…
Yammytam Were you one of the last people to leave the party? I was just wondering? Did everyone that was left at the party stay with the Erwins? Did everyone go inside and that is why nobody saw him leave? Just alot of weird things about this whole issue. I mean why was the Daughtery guy driving by the house, why did he find a foot years later, why didnt anyone see him leave, why did the Erwin lady say that he was acting drunk when he only had one drink, why did the cave get bulldozed, who had Randys keys when he was looking for them and what time did he get them back, why did some of the case files go missing, why if everyone loved him didnt all of his friend search for him, and the main question is what in the heck actually happened? Alot of questions that would make people think something is up. I know that just as an outsider I would put all of my attention on the party. I wasnt there so I cant say something did happen. As a father I would hope and pray that maybe just maybe foul play wasnt involved but with all of the above questions and many more how couldnt it of been.
rednekbuddha (Kelly Powell) says…
well, he was a first cousin, that makes it "family"....He came after harold leach came to my house....I was not on the lease nor was My mail going there....2 plus 2? That is a hell of a lot more evidence then the "satanic drug cartel" has going for it. And either way I could of made sure this guy spent time in prison, but I dropped charges....So he only got a diversion.
he also had stuck a knife to ken huffmans throat according to the police reports....This is opinion, but they bulldozed the cave to keep it from being another stull. the police did investigate the cave so it is a dead issue......As for the keys, noone knows if anybody got the keys from him...People asked me at the party if i had them because I told the host somebody should take them....What normally would be a good thing has turned sinister.....Which files went missing? Is this fact or is this somebody saying files went missing?
So as a parent....What would you do if a family accused your child of being a murderer? What would you do if one of their family members threatened your childs life? I am pretty sure you would not be as blaise about it as some commentors think I should of been.....How do you know he only had one drink? this is the kind of discussion I hate....These questions that can be answered have been answered....Sorry that they are not convienant answers....But that does not make them any less honest.
Johnboy1975 (anonymous) says…
RedNekbuddha Just curious but how long after Randy came up missing did this happen? In other words how long was it before foul play was suspected?. You asked what I would do if someone would point a gun and/or accuse my children of doing something that they didnt. I know that I would have the same convictions towards those circumstances as I would if they were missing. I would feel very strongly about both of them. You have to realize that from all of the info about this I got from reading articles and such, being from Linwood and being apart "not meaning that you did anything or know anymore than you say" of it you will know things that me as an outsider would not. I just think that someone has to know more than he/she is telling. A part of me would like to think that no foul play was involved and that maybe just maybe just an accident occurred or that maybe he ran away and speaking as a parent that would be easiler to live with. Like I said before not knowing has got to drive someone crazy. You said that they are not convienant answers "not saying your lying" but that is what is wrong, not all of the answers add up.
yammytam (anonymous) says…
I didnt leave the party till the next day i would say after 10 am we as friends did look for him how could we not but it wasnt organized searches we were never asked. nothing happened at that f$%^&^&en party im getting sick of everyone trying to focus on the damn party they tried to do that then and now everyone here is trying to do it again i think that is one of the reasons the case went cold because they focused on the wrong place and the wrong people and i dont think any files came up missing at least not with the police
yammytam (anonymous) says…
and yes maybe a government web site would help I have searched on and off for years for info so others might be looking too
rednekbuddha (Kelly Powell) says…
Like i posted on top of this page....spend the 3 bucks and get the kd star sept 5 1993 article....It shows how much damage can be done when cowboy civillians get their hands on case reports.
yammytam (anonymous) says…
i read that and its amazing the crap people can come up with its a joke to think kelly rob ken or scott could do something like that knowing all of them Im laughing my ass off (not over the fact that they got arrested or harrassed) but just thinking of them hurting anyone people need to pull their heads out of their butts i have heard some rumors that just amaze me people can come up with and believe
JHAWKGURL (anonymous) says…
When your family member has been missing for 18 freaking years...I will tell YOU to pull YOUR head out of YOUR butt. IF you have spoke your peace then go on...IF you have not..lets talk.
rednekbuddha (Kelly Powell) says…
why are you so upset jhawkgurl?....if you did not want public discourse on this...why did your family allow a fictionalized play to be written? i'm sorry that someone did not jump up and confess after they saw the play....I'm sorry it pisses you off when people who were at that party speak up in defense of themselves and and expose some of the b.s that happened all those years ago.
Look, i would be pissed to if someone close to me disappeared in thin air like randy did, and the way lv co handled it was complete clown shoe....but until you guys stop airing the "he was sacrificed in front of 40 people in a satanic ritual" You are going to get scorn and criticism from those people who continue to catch flak from the spreading of that fairy tale.
You have beaten the conspiracy horse to death....in all likely hood somebody does know something....but he or she is probably somebody the cops never even questioned. And your family should thank me....I went out of my way to try to stop the rumors that harold killed randy...I knew that was crap and even smacked somebody for saying it....because I know first hand how it feels to fight rumor and gossip mongering on something of this scale.
did me and rob treat the investigation as a joke? You damm right we did....the investigation was a joke, and when they put the spotlight on us we found it hilarious....but we told them the truth.....
rednekbuddha (Kelly Powell) says…
but there has been several investigation teams after the initial fiasco....And the kbi....for the most part they were very professional and courteous....Here's a question for the family....do they still keep in contact with terry martin (aka harry lee harper)? Or all the psychics....I would love to talk to the psychics or martin.....
rednekbuddha (Kelly Powell) says…
i wish more people from linwood at the time would chime in....i would love to hear what they have to say as adults.
JHAWKGURL (anonymous) says…
Kelly
We have a large family....very large....not all of us agree as to what some may think happened. Some of us have our own minds and make up our own ideas as to what happened. Not all of us think it was satanic. I for one dont have a clue. If I did I think I would have done something about it......
As far as the people from Linwood, I agree...I wish they would chime in.
As far as whether or not the family keeps in contact with Whatever his name is Martin.... I personally dont know.
And why am I so upset? Because I miss my family member. The play was not done at the request of the whole family....it was done because Mr. Macy asked Randys parents about it and that is their son and that is their choice to let it be done. I did see the play and I thought it was interesting....it did not put any false ideas in my head as to what happened..I am still as confused as it was 18 years ago. ..I just wish we could put him to rest properly. I would love to hear what anyone from Linwood has to say.....as I know other family members would who are reading this. I am not trying to desensitize what you have been through either....but you seem to be the only one on this board that was there and has a lot to say....doesnt mean I think you did anything...but just like 18 years ago we want answers and who knows if there will ever be any. 18 years without a body or a car is a long time. The pain is as bad today as it was 18 years ago..if not worse...
Katmandu (anonymous) says…
As I said earlier in this blog, Harold and Alberta are not connected to the Internet, but they do have friends who are keeping them up with what's appearing here. This afternoon I received several pages of comments and questions from the them, and I will post them tonight - probably in multiple lots.
Harold and Alberta do appreciate the interest and time of all who are contributing.
They want all to understand the enormity of what was happening to them through the early days of Randy's disappearance. Yes, they were aggressively looking for answers. Some people may have felt slighted because they were not directly asked to help search for Randy, but his parents point out that those same young people could have come forth and offered to help - and some did.
Here are their questions / comments.
1. What about the keys being tossed back and forth in front of the porch light about 11:00 p.m. that night? Randy was, according to several witnesses, staggering between the participants shouting "Give me my keys, I want to go home." Rednekbuddha, do you know anything about this, or about the next two items.
2. What about Randy being spun around inside the garage around midnight in a swivel chair. Could the purpose of that have been to keep him disoriented?
3. What about the take-down (Randy being tackled) on the east side of the garage shortly after midnight? Witnesses said that Randy got a lot worse after that. He had been starting to sober up, or possibly whatever was in his system was wearing off. Could the object of the take-down have been to help keep him disoriented?
4. Randy was apparently made to sit on a bench in the Erwin home sometime after midnight so that he would not fall and hurt himself. Who among you saw him there?
5. Between 1:00 and 1:30 a.m. Randy was taken outside supposedly so that he would not fall in the house and hurt himself. He was taken to his car and laid on the front seat. He was asking for his car keys at that time. Who can talk to us about that?
6. At 1:45 a.m. a boy went to the campfire and asked one of the partiers if he had Randy's keys. The response was, "Yes, and you can't have them." Who was the person who had the keys at the bonfire at 1:45 a.m.?
7. According to Ann Erwin, the hostess, Randy was in her home at 2:05 a.m. standing in line to use the bathroom. He was then apparently sent back outside. No attempt was made to call his parents, even though those at the party knew that he was too messed up to drive.
8. Randy did not have his car keys and he was incapable of driving. Who drove him away from the party? Someone needs to identify the driver - please!
9. Randy arrived at the party in a messed up state. Who was driving his car around Linwood earlier that evening. Who drove his car to the party? Driving the car was not a crime - give us the name.
More to follow...
Katmandu (anonymous) says…
More from Harold and Alberta Leach:
Bear Lake: Who called the Leavenworth Sheriff's Office and told them to go to Bear Lake? Harold said that he talked to the secretary who controlled access to the lake. She said that Leavenworth Sheriff's Officers and members of the KBI went to Bear Lake to search and were there less than 20 minutes. Harold later found a Grommit from the trunk of a 1985 Dodge 600 (same as the missing car) near the lake. Harold said that he did bring in divers and had them search the lake, and he later had a man with a GPS in a boat search the lake again. Also, they dug in several locations near Bear Lake.
(From Katmandu: I would still hope that a diving club or some interested young people would take up the challenge of searching some of the lakes and larger ponds within a decent radius of Linwood. Any takers?)
Steve Daugherty and Jim Hadl: Harold says that Steve Daugherty supposedly fell over dead from an aneurysm in a trailer park. At the time of his death he was not wearing his ever-present thick glasses or cowboy hat. Harold believes that Daugherty's death has some suspicious overtones. Harold says that Jim Hadl was seen sitting in the driver's side of Randy's car at Stout's Convenience Store while Randy was inside buying candy bars. What was that about? Harold contends that none of the investigators ever talked to Hadl. He said that Hadl later came to their house pretending to know something. When he asked Hadl if he knew Steve Daugherty, Hadl said that he did not - when, in fact, they had been roommates in Lawrence.
Can anyone shed more light on Daugherty and Hadl?
More to follow...probably tomorrow night...
yammytam (anonymous) says…
Thank you Kelly for standing up for me If the family cant get past the fact that a satanic ritual did not happen in front of anyone at that party they will never be able to find the truth because that did not happen I would like to read my statment I gave the police back then because I dont remember 98% of the stuff people are saying and I know I told everything I knew back then but cant for the life of me remember what I said I dont know if its age or if I blocked it out.I remember seeing randy at the party he was drinking I remember asking him to move away from the porch on request of Annie and I remember waking up the next morning to Harold and Alberta worried sick I remember spending alot of time gaurding my stereo and tapes and I remember cleaning up afterwards I dont remember anything bad happening except teenage drinking and pot (not cocain) I remember one of the burns boys giving people rides home because he was sober I dont remember Pam being there but I dont remember alot of people there that was
And when I made the comment about people pulling their heads out of their butts it was after pulling the article up from the Kc star from 1993 that was so full of crap and jayhawk girl if you want to talk well then lets talk as long as I read about things that didnt happen then I will say what I want because alot of those are lies against me and some good people at least I say who I am and am honest ................Randy was a dear friend of mine and I have lived with the pain for 18 years also and as for friends not helping look me and bobby and me and kim drove to all sorts of places looking for him so dont say we didnt help when you dont know what we did alls I was saying is that if the whole community would have pulled together to do a search that was organized maybe we would of found somethin maybe not no one will ever know I know my pain is not as deep as harold or albertas and I pray they get closure on this before they leave this earth
JHAWKGURL (anonymous) says…
Tammy,
You said:
"If the family cant get past the fact that a satanic ritual did not happen in front of anyone at that party they will never be able to find the truth because that did not happen"
Let me tell you again....this is a HUGE family .....we all have our individual ideas, thoughts and ways of thinking....do not label the whole family as believing in one thought. Those of us that are on here are just trying to see if anything else comes of this...in no way shape or form am I saying that this was satanic...i dont know because if I did I would not be on here and checking these blogs everyday in hopes to see something new or something that may have been unmentioned or overlooked.
SO let me state again, the is a huge family...everyone has different ideas...over the years my ideas have changed and now I am still as clueless as I was 18 years ago. I am very open minded and take into consideration everything I read and decide on my own what I think...I dont let anyone or anything put ideas in my head and steer my mind in the direction that they want. I make up my own decisions and now that I am older I am looking at this with a "fresh mind set" if you will........
I am not here to harrass anyone....I am here to help myself come to a conclusion as to what I think happened....
smalltowngirl26 (anonymous) says…
I babysat one time for a girlfriend of Jim Hadl's. We were asleep in the living room, well after midnight. I woke up when I heard Jim coming in - drunk and pissed. I saw him come in and pick a 11 year old boy up off the couch who was sound asleep and proceed to through him across the room and start beating the hell out of him cause he was mad at the boys mom. I was so scared I just acted like I was asleep (I was all of 13).
Doesn't mean anything but that's the kind of person he was.
Just_wondering (anonymous) says…
I guess that I am what you would call a "vulture", I was at the play, and I do not believe that "satanic theory".
Was Harold ever a suspect? I know according to the play that he was a suspect, but was he REALLY a suspect? Was his house and pond ever searched? Was his home in Lousiville searched? Has anyone ever questioned the realationship that Harold and Alberta have with the rest of their LARGE family? You know the best way to keep the spot light off of yourself it to put it on someone else. So basically my final questions are these, did Randy leave the party on his own and by himself? Does anyone else find it interesting that Alberta wouldn't even go see her own mother while her mother was on her death bed? What type of people are Harold and Alberta Leach????
onewhocares (anonymous) says…
for someone that uses a name like just_wondering you think you know so much well you don't. yes uncle harold and aunt alberta were suspects. and they didn't have the house in lousiville at the time of randy. also maybe your the reason they didn't go see grandma in the hospital. i think it best to leave that matter out of all of this if you don't know the whole story.
if you know the family so well you shouldn't even have to ask what kind of people they were then and they are now.
i know things might of happened to some of you that you didn't like but be thankful you are still here. people want people to say we are sorry for things that you didn't aggree with but look at your life---you at least have one. how would you feel every minute of your life wondering what happened to your only baby.
maybe things went wrong--but someone out there knows something and that's all everyone is looking for is an answer.
myopinionwontmatter (anonymous) says…
wow...this has now turned into airing your personal dirty family laundry.(imagine that)......as with all families I'm sure she has/had a reason for her behavior prior to her mothers passing....lets get back to the real reason we are all here.
rednekbuddha (Kelly Powell) says…
Thank you for your candor....And i apologize if I came off as too rude in some of my posts'.......this is the first time I ever publicly posted about this case to this depth, and it sort of came rushing out.
As for the questions......I really do not remember anyone playing keep away with his keys....but if they did, it was for his own good...And if you put a drunk in a swivel chair at a party, i can guarantee you he or she will be spun by somebody....The condition he was in(as I remember) there would be no way possible he would of "sobered up" before dawn.....and I do not remember anyone tackling him....Not saying it did not happen, but I did not see it.
In the play it said there was witnesses that said people forced something down his throat(presumably downers)....I have to say to this.....If I wanted to incapacitate somebody I would of injected them with drugs.......I hope this does not sound to weird, but, I would of been a hell of a lot sneakier if I was going to torpedo someone in a public place(stick the syringe in his ass while he was in the bathroom or wandering in the dark between the house and the fire).... trying to force someone to swallow something without them vomiting would be nigh on impossible...This is completley hypothetical of course....I'm just illustrating that if i was going to do some heinous act I would be a hell of a lot more subtle.If this was supposed to be a choreographed scenario in concert with the police to help cover it up....would we not be more professional in the execution of said plan?....but like i told the police, I tried to avoid Randy after our initial conversation that night....He was, quite frankly, Too screwed up to talk to and he was grating on my nerves.
and another arguement against the conspiracy....If the police were involved...would it not make more sense to allowed the body to be found?They (THEY....the most used word in conspiracies)could of made it look like an o.d or a accident.
KUDRAMA (anonymous) says…
All family's have "spats" at times, It is unfortunate although reality. But assuming all family who have posted are adults, it is truly concerning of the maturity level demonstrated. Please remove your emotions and continue with discussion's that may assist with closure for Randy Leach. Just a thought.
Johnboy1975 (anonymous) says…
Does anyone know if this Jim Hadi guy was at the party? Seems like a real winner from what smalltowngrl says.
Just_wondering (anonymous) says…
I don't view it as airing dirty laundry, more like stating facts most people don't know or those that do know are afraid to tell for fear of being ostracized, and I would like to hear from someone other than a family member if Harold and Alberta were actually considered suspects or not.
Isn't that what we are all trying to do here is assist with closure for Randy Leach and his family, and if that is the case then shouldn't we consider all options? Rather than being so narrow minded that we will only consider Harold and Alberta's skewed point of view?
Katmandu (anonymous) says…
Kelly, Thank you for responding to those questions from Harold and Alberta.
more comments and questions from harold and alberta leach:
Yes, I do have pictures of Satanic activity in those caves. The caves are two miles from where the party was held. Yes, the young man who said he saw the body hanging in the cave described what we found - minus the body. Everyone around the area knows where these caves are, and all of the kids at the party knew where they were at - it was common knowledge. Leavenworth County couldn't find them, but when officers from three counties found the caves, Leavenworth County told them to get out. They said that they had jurisdiction, and if the other officers did not leave, they would be arrested. The young man who claims that he was kidnapped and taken to the caves even named the four individuals who took him there, yet none of the four were ever interviewed by the authorities. I got together a task force of four officers from different counties and had the Lee's Summit Water Rescue Team ready to help us. (There is a large body of water in the caves.) We signed waivers and had permission to search the caves. This took about three months to get everything coordinated. When we finally had everything in order, the manager of the caves said that we could not enter because the KBI and Leavenworth County had found out about the search. (This was after two years of me pleading with them to do a search!) The manager of the caves said that he had to go along with what they wanted. I asked to go in with them, but was told that it would be too traumatic for me. Yes, it would not have been easy, but I was far from being hysterical. After the search the KBI called me and said that they had searched the caves from wall-to-wall and not found any signs of Randy or Satanic activity. They didn't know at that time that I had pictures of the fire circle and the Satanic markings on the walls.
The young man who said he was kidnapped passed a polygraph, just like so many of us have. Authorities interviewed him months later and they told him that he had been high on drugs and only imagined that he had seen those things. They also told him that he should not be talking to me. The boy's father was a local police officer, and reported his son missing at the time of the party. The father was never interviewed.
More later...
yammytam (anonymous) says…
That man is a distant cousin of mine and I tried to get my cousin to get me to talk to him but he refused.Do you know if one of the guys who held him was Dan Flannigan???
rednekbuddha (Kelly Powell) says…
Like i posted before....IR orUV imaging would show any markings that had been erased....limestone is very porous and pigments would work their way into the porous....hence it would reflect light differently then the other parts of the stone....Even the smearing would not hide the original picture....As for the caves being"common knowledge"...I moved into the linwood area in 83 and had never even heard of these caves until The rumor mill went flying in or around 92
as for "the boy" did this kid have any mental problems other than drug use? i would like to see a photo of him...I presume he went to school in or around the area....I'm serious about the photo....If he had been somebody that I had encountered in the drug scene i could tell you my impression of him and my memory for names(even back then) is horrible.
since you seem to be the ad hoc representative for harold and alberta I wish you would convey my wish for an apology for the subterfuge harold and martin tried on me in 93, an apology for accusing me and rob(who is my closest friend in the world) of being witnesses to a murder and towards the end of the interview of being a murderer....I would also like an apology from harold for giving my address to his cousin roger rose and an apology from mr. rose for threatening my life with a pistol. Like i had stated before Mr. leach....If you had come up and talked to me as one man to another i would of still gave you the same truthful answers, and most likely would of kept in touch with you so as we could keep each other abreast of any new info....I understand your anger and frustration...please show me the courtesy of acknowledging my resentment of being portrayed as a murderer and a satanist(later on in life I met a few people who called themselves satanist...They were idiots and bufoons trying to be pseudo intellectuals)I know i was and are a screwup....after I got out of the drug scene and after I started screwing my head on straight I have tried to be a honest, honorable man....and would like your help in closing this particular chapter in my life.....I have cooperated all these years and think we both owe each other the courtesy of talking man to man and setting these wrongs right....I know it is nothing compared to finding out what happened to randy, but it is important to me.
yammytam (anonymous) says…
Kelly go to www.wycosheriff.org click on booking and releases type in Jeffery Times make sure you click the box that says include released inmates and submit .....you will see his picture let me know if it rings a bell....Tammy
rednekbuddha (Kelly Powell) says…
Nope....I do not remember ever seeing that guy...Then again a photo of him when he was what?twenty at the time?would be more helpful...
I'm still trying to grasp the scenario the play offered....supposedly randy was paraded around the party and then sacrificed in front of forty witnesses....Or he was strung up in the cave days later...
And this guy was a cops son and was a junkie? They did not say what kind of drugs he was into....his dad filed a missing persons report and his son shows up telling tales of satanic sacrifice....So who were the four people he named?...Never mind i see part of his statement in the case report synopsis(i guess an anonymous police officer felt pity on me and mailed me this) And one of the guys was in jail at the night of the party and if i remember right for about a month later.....that in itself puts a lot of doubt into his story...the cop shorthand is kind of hard to read, but basically he says he went to the cave with two men and two women and may or may not have seen a body hanging...makes a few referances to hallucinating a herd of elephants.and the report goes on to say he was high when interviewed.
now as to the idea that randy was targeted because he was going to inform on drug dealerson 6-7-91 a person says(I'm withholding the name)says he heard randys girlfriend was dealing drugs and the cops asked randy to be an informant......if this is true(i highly doubt it) with him being a minor, the police would had to of talked to his parents....And that is never mentioned in all these years So I am going to assume that this is where the idea came from.
Tammy...I believe it was dan flanigan who lived in that trailer....
i wish i could post the thirty odd pages of this...maybe I'll scan it and try to find a host site.....What you have to understand is that there were people saying there was bodies everywhere and from what i have read and what I remember, there were two factions of meth heads and they were telling police that somebody from the other faction killed randy.....and that they had eyewitnessed it and other killings....All of them turn out to be false....then you got the people who were busted on drug charges tryiing to plead a deal by giving the cops info on this case...once again it all proves false.
rednekbuddha (Kelly Powell) says…
What's funny is that night of the party i asked some one if they could score and pantomimed snorting a line.....In the reports people said i had drugs on me.....It is amazing how people see something and have to fill in the blanks....That statue of limatations is long over, so I have no reason to lie about this.
one of the people who said this also stated that Later on in bonnersprings I held up a knife and told him"this is what we sacrificed randy with"....I want it known that fro what i remember it went more like this....We were talking about getting followed by the lv unmarked cars and that they had searched us....I made a sarcastic comment about them expecting to find something and something along the lines of"Yep officer, here ya go...heres the knife We killed randy with"....just using this as an example of people misquoting (this kid was an idiot to begin with....I should of known sarcasm would be lost on him) and making it as dramatic as possible.
Of course it does not help when cops do this...on 4-17-89 the bonner springs cops pulled me and rob over and went through the normal routine for them...searched us, searched the car, slammed us against the car a few times....One of the cops ask me if i know anything about randy....i tell him to quit hassling us and do something productive and drag the river or something.........three days later I'm talking to a lv detective who says the bonner springs cops have my confession that i threw randy in the river....fortunently there were witnesses to the contrary....
so now, every three years I have to retell this to a new detective and oodles of other crap.
smalltowngirl26 (anonymous) says…
If you find a place to host that report, please leave a link.
cschott66219 (anonymous) says…
Kelly,
What do you know about a guy named Barnett and his buddy, "Patch?'
Cindy Hutchison
smalltowngirl26 (anonymous) says…
If you are talking about Carl, he is dead. I, personally, don't think he was involved.
cschott66219 (anonymous) says…
Okay, How about the Dan Flannigan person?
Katmandu (anonymous) says…
More From Harold and Alberta:
To Mikeblur: The National Geographic issue was June 1992, page 62.
To All Who Posted:
I don't believe I said that I thought Randy was killed by Satanists. This was a scenario offered up in the recent play (one of several). It was written entirely by the playwright who chose that particular scenario as a finish because it facilitated a forward momentum of deviousness, lies, and malicious intent toward an innocent boy. I only presented the police reports of what the boy said that he had seen in the cave and the pictures. The pictures that I have will verify Satanic activity and markings. I was lied to by the police. The entrance to the cave was covered up almost immediately. The other police were run off. The boy did pass a polygraph. He did name people that were never spoken to by the police.
Other things that are of concern to the Leach's:
They were told that the adult hostess of the party, Annie Erwin, did not take a polygraph and would not go to the Leavenworth County Sheriff's Office for an interview.
The Erwin home burned to the ground a few weeks after the party under suspicious circumstances.
The grounds where the party was held did not get searched until five weeks after the party - and Harold said that he had to insist and beg to get that done.
The old store in Linwood where Steve Daughterty lived burned not too long after the Erwin house burned.
About that same time one of the Leach's cars burned in their driveway under mysterious circumstances.
Two of Harold's brothers had guns fired in front of their houses during this same period of time, and a shotgun was fired at the Leach home twice one day. Harold filed a report along with the name of the person that he thought fired the shotgun, but deputies never interviewed that person.
There was lots going on during that time. How does it all piece together?
More to follow.....
Katmandu (anonymous) says…
Final Notes (at this time) from Harold and Alberta Leach:
Harold said that over the years they have used twenty or so psychics on this case, one of whom works for the FBI.
He believes that Steve Daugherty lied about being with Randy on the night that he disappeared.
Harold and Alberta make no apologies for Terry Martin. He showed up at their door four years after Randy had gone missing and offered some fresh hope. Harold said that Terry always told people that he was gathering information for Unsolved Mysteries - not that he worked for them. They have not maintained contact with Martin.
Harold said that when the new task force broke up in 2003, the detective and the KBI agent told him that they could have easily worked another three months just to check all of the leads that they had up to that point. He added, "It is so sad that they did not find the time.)
Harold notes that Tammy (yammytam) and Mrs. Erwin came to the Leach home the morning following the party to inform them that there had been no alcohol or drugs at the party, and if there were, the kids had brought their own. Tammy, they would like for you to clarify that now that the laws pertaining to supplying liquor to minors have all gone by the statute of limitations. Was alcohol being served that night (sold, in fact, for $3.00 a glass).
(This from Katmandu for yammytam: And what was the story on drugs at the party. Were they being brought in by Kim Erwin's friends from Kansas City, Kansas, who were at the party. No one has talked about those kids yet? Who were they? Why were they at a Linwood party? How long did they stay?)
Harold and Alberta wanted to close with their appreciation to the KU Drama department for bringing Randy's disappearance back into public view. Regarding Tim Macy (the playwright), Professor Paul Lim (the director), and the entire cast of "Leaves of Words", the Leaches said, "They did a superb job on this production and we can never thank them enough. If we had more young men and women like them, this play would never have had to be written."
I hope that I have faithfully reported the questions and concerns of Harold and Alberta Leach. They will be looking for their son with all of the days that they have left in this life.
Confused38 (anonymous) says…
To Katmandu...You mention numerous times that certain people were never interviewed. What do they have to back up that statement?
rednekbuddha (Kelly Powell) says…
At the very last of the play, the character of harold leach states "this is what i believed happened"..this was followed by the the golden oldie "randy was held against his will...paraded around while he was screaming"i will not be sacrificed"..and then either killed right there at the party or was held for a few days(never could figure that one out)..oh ya, and the cops knew'......If you did not want people thinking you still believed in the satanic drug cartel consiracy, why the hell did you allow this play?
rednekbuddha (Kelly Powell) says…
The kids from kc were never really brought up in the play.... Takes away from the whole conspiracy motiff.
It's not that terry martin said he was working for unsolved mysteries or that he was gathering infor for them.....You guys accused me of being involved in a murder....Then told me to rat my friend out(who knew nothing) and that you would pay me and get me on tv....that was so insulting on so many levels, you were lucky you made it out of my house....But, I sucked it up and was civil towards you....So do not play semantics with me.
as for guns being shot at your family....I was not going to bring it up, but this tap dance routine is getting on my nerves....Did not you r brother shoot and kill his son in law? Your family shows a penchance for taking the law in their own hands.....Just maybe you have neihbors who think the same? When the erwin house burnt down, did you feel angered when people blamed you?
i have the reports that specifically show the statements that people made at me and rob.....I've had them for 13 years and never once have I confronted people who LIED about their behaivor and why they did it....partialy because it would look like i was strong arming people...mostly becasue I proved these things false.....but not enough where i do not have to re interview. I am really considering writing those names here on this post.
times(the boys name) mentioned 4 people...two men(I will not release their names) and two women....who's names were not on the report....One of the guys was in jail at the time...both were interviewed...maybe not the women, but the guys story does not jive.
Let's assume that you did find a cave with satanic graphiti on the walls....Big deal!.. I have seen lots of places with graphiti, Should i have the kbi investigate them? you say they did not search the cave...but the reports say they did....Face it, you want to believe this scenario(god knows why).
rednekbuddha (Kelly Powell) says…
isay this about the cave...Because in a earlier post you said this cave was common knowledge....this means that little stoner brats knew about this cave and "GASP" drew on the walls!
and let me tell youabout the polys they were giving out.....At least 3 people have told me (and it happened to me) that when they consented to a poly, they were questioned about the case....then the cops started grilling people on the drug scene....Some people failed the poly because the cops were more interested in getting some info on dealers then the actual case....you will say these are related...I say this is one of the reasons we have so much confusion in this case.
rednekbuddha (Kelly Powell) says…
And why are you bitching that the party was cleaned up that morning if the cops did not investigate it until weeks later?....this is the kind of statements that try to make people look guilty over something.....
and since the statute of limatations is up why not admit you got the police reports(many boxes worth) from weston and martin? you cannot pick and choose honesty and then complain when others do the same.
in my opinion, you are losing ground in the public eye with the the amount of obfuscation that you are doing.....you have the publics sympathy.....but you want more...you want the public to believe your story.....but you keep changing the story to fit how public opinion is going....either admit you really know nothing, or stick with a story.....either one will give you more credibility.
rednekbuddha (Kelly Powell) says…
and maybe the pieces will never fit together because they are from a dozen differant puzzles.
rednekbuddha (Kelly Powell) says…
and the story about the cave in the play is a composite of what times said, what a couple of psychics said, and three or four rumors.....Face it, you screwed the pooch if you wanted to get any new info from this....all i have seen is people asking questions that have been answered a hundred times...those that can be answered......your obvious reluctance to apologize for your base behavior and the behavior of your relative, shows me you truly believe in "the conspiracy" and therefore you do not deserve the courtesy that people have shown you over the years.....do not get on your high horse and b!tch because some people messed with you after you alienated and strong armed an entire community... your son is still missing? I am truly sorry about that....but that does not exscuse your actions towards others.....iput out the olive branch numerous times, and you basically spat in my face....and do not ever send any more literature to my mothers address.
yammytam (anonymous) says…
we did have hunch punch in a big water cooler but I dont remember charging for it .......but then again I dont remember me and annie coming to your house. I do remember you (harold and alberta) and a cop coming to the erwins and waking us up to talk to you. Oh and there was also beer there but only what people had brought and we had pot I dont think anyone was selling it just smoking it and for who brought it I brought whatever I smoked I dont remember who else had there own..as for the Kansas city kids they were just kids kim went to school with from harmon that were graduating too and was there just to celebrate with kim.Nothing wrong with them as far as im concerned.as for people being interviewed did you know that police or detectives cant tell you who was interviewed or not if its an ongoing investigation.
Kelly, Times was a crank head and a meth head and a stoner he probably did other drugs too If I recall my cousin said he was a banger now I dont know if she meant then or now or both lol
yammytam (anonymous) says…
has anyone thought of alien abduction?? not that i believe in that but someone else thinks that and told me to post it
The_Original_Bob (anonymous) says…
"has anyone thought of alien abduction?? "
If that is what it takes to get this thread to go away, then, yeah.
Honestly, I can't believe it has been 18 years. The satanic angle.... wow, I forgot how big that was in the mid-to late 80s.
JHAWKGURL (anonymous) says…
Original Bob-
this thread does NOT need to go away, you do...I mean really..alien abduction? Are you some Liberal from Lawrence? Do you need attention...go somewhere else...
yammytam (anonymous) says…
we are not the only planet there could be other life forms out there
KUDRAMA (anonymous) says…
And just when I think maybe some intelligence thought might go into these threads of hope, you grasp and bring in alien abduction, possible but not probable, okay lets take a brief minute and ponder:. Erwin's house fire; was the aliens coming back to cover up possible evidence? But wait a minute Tammy knows nothing took place a party. So it must be coincidence, The Leach family car fire; :yep another coincidence :and the family dog missing; :another coincidence:just to name a few, maybe in the conspiracy theory isn't right either although :.a lot of Leach family questions still being avoided that was publicly posted, for the ones that was at the party and who claim they really cared for Randy Leach. Just my observence
rednekbuddha (Kelly Powell) says…
And they too are part of the satanic drug cartel(insert evil laughter).
this is truly my last post...in ending i will restate that my comments have been honest(except the galactic , satanic drug cartel)....I ask again for a formal apology from the leach family and roger rose for their actions back in 93...Obfuscate as much as you want, try to sanitize the home invasion as much as you want....i know the truth,witnesses that were there know the truth, and you know the truth.....youve had 13 years to get your heads screwed on straight....Be men and do the right thing.
rednekbuddha (Kelly Powell) says…
i lied... this is the last Kudrama....how are we supposed to answer you? if we say we do not know, we are hiding something....If we say a answer has allready been given, we are lying.....and every time we do answer, somebody else ask a question that has allready been answered(believe me, all you columbos out there, this sh!t has been through a fine tooth comb)
As for the dog and the car....maybe, just maybe, they pissed off idiot rednecks and equally idiot tweakers and people did stupid sh!T? As for the house....some of the same(but towards the erwins) It's not coincidence....It's years of stupidity that cannot be fully explained to you or anybody else who did not live it....innocuous statements and trivial crap over the space of 18 years develop their own life and turn into the stuff of urban legend....
JHAWKGURL (anonymous) says…
Tammy you said
"we are not the only planet there could be other life forms out there"
Okay, I am open minded, I will give you that....but come on, lets get back to the reason we are here..because my cousin is missing....he has been missing for 18 years....When all the accusations that Kelly speaks about happened..I was too young and my parents kept me secluded from what was happening..now I am an adult and I miss Randy dearly..I miss my family and I want to know what happened.....I dont think that anyone on here "killed randy" but iI do believe that someone on here knows something..i accuse nobody on here of satanic activity or murder...i just ask that you think back and think if there is anything anything at all that could be useful for the authorities to use to figure this out..names..names that you claim you are going to reveal but have yet to do so...Kelly, you say that you want an apology..okay I understand that, hell I probably would to.. and I can tell you right now that if I were you, I would be upset as well but I want a body and a car..I want the names that you claim you wanted to reveal....?? WHere are they?? JUST by reading what you have written I think you have more to reveal..
JHAWKGURL (anonymous) says…
continued:
i will not apologize for anything that the Leaches did because I was not part of that..like i have said before, we are a large family. I just feel like ( and keep in mind I am not blaming anyone) but I feel like someone on here knows more..they may not reveal that but even if there is something that could be revealed anonoymously it would help. Maybe I am beating the rug here but I wish we could just have a grave..somewhere to go and say " hey, I miss you.."
You know, in this large family that is related to the Leaches, I am very open minded. i dont blame, i listen....I have been to parties in my life and I know what happens...I have done my share of drugs..and I am not going to deny that ..I know that things happen..its life...but we are dealing with a life here ...if you have no more ames to reveal or information then go on with your life and I hope that nobody harasses you. I can only promise that i personally will not, i have no control over anyone else... Stop posting if you are innocent, and I hope that nobody harrasses you, again.... I personally have no control over that but I can understand that trama that it has caused you. If anyone on here would like to meet outside of this public forum to speak, let me know....I am not here to harrass..just to find out answers..like I said...It may be me beating the rug but I want more....I want to know more..what about Jeff Times?? Where is he now?? WHo investigated him?? What is his story? Does anyone keep in contact with him? again, let me state...i am blaming nobody on here for anything...i just want to know more...an I will meet on neutral grounds...instead of a public forum. I am not on here as part of the Leach family...I am on here as Randys cousin, plain and simple, i have no idea what happened to him and the play has not made me believe in any other idea or consipiracy.....I just feel like there is more. Kelly what do you think happened? what is your thoughts of what happened...email me personally if you want. You can get my email off of this forum by clicking on my log in name. I wanted to ask you more years ago when I met you.....but felt I had no right..now I want to know. WHat do you think...You seem intelligent..really I mean that...so tell me what you think happened? I am grasping on to anything because you may have been one of the many that last saw him....I know when I last saw him and now I want to know more...please.
lunacydetector (anonymous) says…
i saw a news feature on television a few years back. the navy had developed a special machine that could detect the part of the brain that 'lies.' it was accurate 100% of the time. quite a gizmo. they had tested it on over 300 people and it worked 100%.
i have a suggestion. why not have everyone somewhat connected with this case use this machine? KU could most likely get their hands on it. wouldn't THAT be interesting? for the police/sheriff detectives who've been reading these blogs, PLEASE check into this! it practically reads minds. the wave of the future.
lunacydetector (anonymous) says…
here's an article i just found. it refers to "brain fingerprinting"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/mermer
Memory and Encoding Related Multifaceted Electroencephalographic Response (MERMER)
it was 100% and 99.9% accurate in lie detection tests
& another article:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brain_fi...
angel4dennis (anonymous) says…
My heart goes out to all those who obviously have been majorly effected by this tragedy and mystery. I am glad to see that the disappearance is still coming up. If we just let it go, it may never be solved. That would not be fair to anyone. We all need closure. I didn't know Randy or any of the Leach family, I was 17 at the time of his disappearance. I am very interested in this case because I also want closure. My condolences to the families and all the victims in this tragic chain of events.
cschott66219 (anonymous) says…
I tried to email Kelly Powell but got no response. He's so involved in his own little pity party that he's shutting himself off. Let's let the Leaches know what happened to their ONLY child, then expect the apologies. Until they get answers, we are all suspect, like it or not. You don't deserve any special treatment because you screamed and threw a little unmanly tandrum.
Me thinks the lady doth protest too much.
Cindy Hutchison
bambam (anonymous) says…
What was this a Kelly Powell story. Soounds like to me she likes the lime light or she would just leave it alone and fade into history. But no shes still up front having a PITY party.
Hopefully nothing like what happened to Randy will ever happen to her children.
myopinionwontmatter (anonymous) says…
FYI..Kelly Powell is a HE....which makes the pity party even more comical
JHAWKGURL (anonymous) says…
Bambam
I really dont believe anymore that Kelly wants a pity party....in fact it appears he has removed himself from this blog and I dont blame him. I am fed up to. However I had hoped to be able and meet and speak with him on neutral terms. I have questions that I want to ask him and I dont think it is anything that needs to be put out here for the public to analyze. Yes, Randy is my cousin and I would love to have this case solved. I AM NOT the one who thinks I will solve it....I just have questions about my cousin and that night that I want answered for my own benefit so that I can put some issues to rest.
JHAWKGURL (anonymous) says…
I believe that the law states that you are innocent until proven guilty. I believe that with Kelly and I am not trying to "find something out" from him that will nail anyone....I simply want to know somethings that will make me sleep better at night by knowing them. Because of all the crap that is being said against him on this public forum...I believe he is probably done with this fiasco and moved on. Like it was said before on here..."dont look a gift horse in the mouth." well, I had hoped Kelly could have shed some light on something for me that I wanted to know and now he is done....fed up.
I was hoping that maybe treating him like an innocent human being that he is might allow somethings to come out that I wanted to know. I am not running an investigation team here. I am just wanting to ask a few questions that I have felt in the dark about and want answers to from him and not from the news papers, play, or my family. You know...I KNOW how I was in highschool, I did somethings that were wrong...maybe illegal...but....I am grown up now, my morals and ideas and who I am are much much different than what they were 18 years ago. I believe the same for Kelly, Tammy or anyone who was questioned and have posted on here. Remember, they were there that night....they were some of the last people to see my cousin. So many people were and are affected by this whole entire tragedy. I know that many of us cousins in this family lived our highschool years in fear because of what we "thought" at that time and our parents really tried pulling back the reigns on us for fear of something happeing to us...it was hell. It was hard being a teenager with that hanging over your head and always worrying that you were going to be hurt or abducted or killed...etc. etc. Now, with so many years passing..lives are changed, people have changed...and just by some small glimpse of hope, i thought that maybe there was something the Kelly or anyone else on here had to offer without it being "forced" out of them or without having them feel like they were being interrogated....
I am a normal human being and I put my pants on one leg at a time and I am going to treat all innocent parties the same way until they are proven guilty...except i am not trying to prove anyone guilty...just want some questions answered. The guilty party or parties maybe long gone.....who knows??
onewhocares (anonymous) says…
jhawkgurl
i too am a cousin and i really don't think there is anything that uncle harold and aunt alberta haven't heard or even thought. what are you wanting to know did randy drink? do drugs? what be beat at home???? there are parts in your questions that just don't seem like you really want what is best for everyone. almost sounds like you are tring to find out what kind of life style randy lived at home.
it really doesn't matter if he drank too much if he did do drugs--people are looking for anyone that can just help find an answer to what happened to this child. you just don't drop off the face of the earth (in your car) and hide forever. i myself don't see randy running away and not calling anyone in the family. he wasn't that way. he would of called a friend;cousin someone.
as for kelly there are so many times the way he talks he knows something that he is scared will come out and he doesn't want that. if you have nothing to hide.
rednekbuddha (Kelly Powell) says…
I will not put forth names because that makes me libel, i am here to squelch rumors, not add to them.....and for the readers info, two of these people posting are trying to write a book about this, and are trying to get others to do their homework for them......also , the people i mentioned are in the reports....once again, nothing new here....after 18 years, i finally go on a tirade and i am on a pity party....and cindi hutchison...my email address does not work on this weblog....I will email YOU....
rednekbuddha (Kelly Powell) says…
One who cares....If i am so scared something would come out...why the hell would I even post?....Or is this supposed to be a scene from some csi where they guilty guy plays with the cops,and eventually incriminates themselves?
Like i posted earlier, the author said he wanted the play to create discussion....it did...mission accomplished.
i tried to answer questions in a honest manner, i also tried to keep from theorizing and passing the buck down to a minimum.
and now to end this....for those who say i want pity F*CK YOU!! i was dragged into this years ago and never got to say my peace to the family.....and now i have....the town of linwood and the leach family can kiss my a$$.
JHAWKGURL (anonymous) says…
onewhocares:
First of all computer savey 101 says that writing in all caps is screaming:don't scream me.
Also:
dont put words in my mouth.
You asked:
" what are you wanting to know did randy drink? do drugs? what be beat at home???? there are parts in your questions that just don't seem like you really want what is best for everyone. almost sounds like you are tring to find out what kind of life style randy lived at home."
My response:
I am not one here to find out what is "BEST" for everyone, I want some information for my own personal satisfaction..I am not trying to play Columbo here. i never once insinuated that Randy was beat at home. I grew up with him. I never brought that up and where in the h*ll you got that is beyond me. OH WAIT...you were putting words in my mouth...here is some more advice..dont do that. I would not come on here and belittle anyone either....like i have said before (feel free to go back and RE READ my posts) i said that i blame nobody!! (yes I screamed that out loud)
Then you said:
it really doesn't matter if he drank too much if he did do drugs--people are looking for anyone that can just help find an answer to what happened to this child.
My response:
Um, I was around Randys age...I think I would know if he drank or did drugs....we did talk. I didn't all of a sudden just pop up in this whole ordeal:I was around BEFORE he was missing. I was around when he first came up missing... i knew him:I don't need anyone to tell me what he did for extra curricular activities. he was my cousin that i grew up with!
continued....................
myopinionwontmatter (anonymous) says…
wow...a family reunion in store any time soon?
JHAWKGURL (anonymous) says…
continued:
And then you said:
as for kelly there are so many times the way he talks he knows something that he is scared will come out and he doesn't want that. if you have nothing to hide.
My response:
Well, if you treat someone with respect they might just might sit down and have a conversation with you. When you continuely interrogate them and publicly say things about them when they are not proven guilty then you wont get anywhere but obviously you think you are an expert so I guess I dont have to tell you that. I guess you had a better angle to take on this huh?
Obviously what everyone else has tried in the past has not worked:.so the best thing to do then is try a different approach. now again, i never once insinuated that anyone was at fault. Not Randys parents, not Kelly, not anyone:.I have some simple questions that I want answered and no i am not writing a book in case that is what Kelly thinks because if I wrote a book about this I would be even more confused than I already am and there is too much dysfunction to even begin to write a book!!! The questions I have for Kelly are my business and for my own personal reasons. Reasons that nobody in this family needs to know or worry about. I am an adult and I don't have to answer to anyone or give reasons for anything I do as long as it is within legal means. I wish to God that I had asked Kelly the questions I had when I met him years ago by accident.
Again, I am not blaming anyone...I have no right to do so.
cschott66219 (anonymous) says…
I want to publically apologize to Kelly Powell. He has emailed me as he said he would. I'm sorry for the "pity-party" comments.
rednekbuddha (Kelly Powell) says…
When I say leach family, I mean harold....Did anybody get my email?....to those who i emailed...get ahold of me because I asked the LJW to delete all my comments....if you cannot play nice I will take my ball and go.....i am telling everybody this so it will not be a mystery if(it better be when) the comments disappear...and next time people, do not try to draw me out by attacking my ego.....it is insulting to everybody involved....have a nice day.
yammytam (anonymous) says…
One last comment here .......Randy did drink I drank with him on several occasions(he did not do drugs) so if you didnt know he drank then he had the wool pulled over your eyes.........Kelly please stay in contact with me you were a very good friend to me back in the day and Id like to continue that friendship.........as for the Leach family I pray that you get the closure you deserve and please dont think that me or Kelly are hiding anything because we are scared because we arent we just dont know what happened to him I have told many people many times everything I know................have a nice life and know that people are praying for your family.
rednekbuddha (Kelly Powell) says…
my opinion wont matter....the name is wrong....youve not given any opinion, just threw out insinuations......Your impact to this conversation is about as much as a flea f*cking a elephant...I thank cindy hutchison for her apology....See mr. leach, it is not that hard to do.
kudrama: i sent you a email with my phone #....please call if you want a sit down over a beer or coffee.
KUDRAMA (anonymous) says…
Kelly,Thank you in advance, although as of this post I have not recieved it. KUGRAD469@yahoo.com
myopinionwontmatter (anonymous) says…
love your analogy buddha azz ,since this has turned into quite the circus
mykeeshond (anonymous) says…
Did anyone notice that the first song they played during the intermission of the play was "Drive" by The Cars? It brought me straight back to 1987-88. First line of the song: "Who's gonna drive you home tonight?" It's really sad, but no one drove Randy home that night.
myopinionwontmatter (anonymous) says…
since i really hadn't posted my real opinion yet...i will now....my anology of this entire situation is Randy didn't leave that party on his own free will......I don't beleive in the entire satanic theory or that the teens at the party really had anything to do with an actual "crime". While he was waiting for "his ride" to come back...something happened then. Appears no one else was around him from prior postings or they were all inside the house. So while waiting for "the ride", I assume he was in his car, (and yet NO ONE else is around?) is when the abduction/confrontation happened. Why?...various scenarios......"he knew/saw something" is my opinion.....how very easy to drive him off (free will or not,if in fact no one else was present).....take him and the car to a salvage crusher and dispose of all and any evidence........you simply cannot vanish into thin air and the car never be found....recycled makes the only sense to me.
JHAWKGURL (anonymous) says…
Could the person who emailed me the day before yesterday, please email me on my personal email account? if you did not email me then disregard this.
coorzlite2002@yahoo.com
Katmandu (anonymous) says…
I have had a couple of pages of further comments and questions from Harold and Alberta. They follow:
Yammytam asked if they had ever searched the field by the house northeast of the old Iron Bridge. The Leaches question why you are focused on that particular field. Do you have a reason or a clue of a possible connection? Why the northeast field instead of the southeast field?
Harold and Alberta believe that the youth from Kansas City, Kansas, who were at the party were in their 20's and therefore not previous classmates of Kim Erwin.
The Leaches still insist that you, Yammytam, and Ann Erwin did visit their home the day following the party to let them know that there had not been alcohol and drugs at the party, and, if there were, the kids at the party had brought them. They are asking that you think back to that morning and try to remember what motivated that trip to the Leach household. You spent the night at the Erwin home. What do you remember about the end of the party and the events of the next morning? Who were the very last to leave, and what was the earliest talk the next day regarding what happened to Randy? Harold and Alberta stated very clearly that they do appreciate your help.
Harold and Alberta said that they do not believe that Randy was paraded around the party that night, or that Satanists killed their son. (My thoughts: Better police work and less concern by the police over territorial issues and control of the case might have put all of that Satanist stuff to rest years ago. - Katmandu) Harold said that a rope with possible blood stains was turned over to the KBI for testing. The tests were never done, and, he contends, the KBI lost the rope. He said that the KBI also took some of Randy's things to test for DNA. Harold said the tests were not performed, and Randy's things, like the rope, were lost by the authorities. (Can you see where things like that might keep fueling the Leach rage over the years?)
The Leaches said that they tried several times to get the FBI involved, but that they would not enter into the case.
Harold also repeated some concerns he had about Kelly Powell's involvement with Randy and his car keys that night. Kelly has addressed these previously, and I don't think that restating them would serve any purpose other than to wind the Redneckbuddha up once again.
Later today or early tomorrow I am going to post my theory about what happened to Randy Leach on this blog. All analysis and feedback will be greatly welcome.
Katmandu
yammytam (anonymous) says…
I remember being woke up the next morning and harold and alberta and a police officer was there I dont think he was in uniform
my aunt dated donavon mcleary and she said he had nightmares and when he was drunk he would say things and she said one time he mentioned the house by the bridge and the field and when i said northeast i meant the house was northeast of the bridge i was pinpointing a field
and the kids from kansas city kim introduced them to me as kids she went to school with
i still dont remember visiting your house i do remember you at the erwins im not saying that i didnt visit your house im just saying i dont remember that
i dont remember much aboutthe end of the party i remember telling randy to move away from the porch and putting my stereo equipment up and cleaning up trash i remember leaving after questioned by harold and alberta and keeping our eyes open for randy and the car i remember the sinking feeling that something happened to him i dont remember anyone playing keep away with his keys but that would be a good thing if they did he didnt need his keys
Katmandu (anonymous) says…
Thanks, yammytam. It all helps. Where was Mr Erwin at the night of the party?
Katmandu (anonymous) says…
Whatever Happened to Randy Leach? (Part 1)
Assumptions:
1. Randy Leach is dead. Randy has been missing for over eighteen years. It is no longer reasonable to assume that he may have just picked up and gone on a walk-about. There have never been any credible sightings of Randy or his mother's car. None of Randy's lifelong friends have ever stepped forward to say that they have heard from him, nor have any seriously attempted to suggest that he ran away.
2. Randy could have died in one of four ways: Murder, accidental death tied to the involvement of others (being given bad drugs, suffocating in the car trunk, receiving a fatal blow in a fight, etc), accidental death or death by misadventure (drove into a body of water, fell down a well, overdosed, alcohol poisoning, etc), or death by natural causes (stroke, heart attack, etc).
3. Randy's body and car are somewhere within a hundred-mile radius of the party. Randy was last seen about 2:00 a.m. The guilty parties were likely to have gotten home before the neighbors in the farming community started staring out of their kitchen windows at daybreak. For that to have occurred, their trip to get rid of Randy could have been no longer than two hours in any direction.
4. Randy left the party (alive, unconscious, or dead) in the company of two other individuals. If Randy left alone and got into a fatal accident, the odds are that both he and his car would have eventually been found. Why two others? A second vehicle would have been necessary to remove those individuals from wherever Randy and his car were left. Why not more than two individuals? One person can keep a secret. The more people that know the secret, the more problematic it becomes to keep it. The kids (and adults) at the Erwin's party were not the terrified citizens of Skidmore, MO, as introduced by a previous blogger. (Ken Rex McElroy had spent years fighting, threatening, and stealing from his neighbors in Skidmore. He had always avoided justice through raw intimidation (stalking and threatening witnesses, the authorities, etc). The town, as a single entity, hated him - and multiple shooters, acting in front of most of the town and with the town's implicit consent and participation, took him out. That town felt threatened as a single individual would, and as an individual, they have kept their secret to this day.) Maybe not everyone at the Erwin's party was fond of Randy, but most were. Remember Tammy's statement, "We loved Randy." Many had known each other and Randy since kindergarten.
Katmandu (anonymous) says…
Whatever Happened to Randy Leach? (Part 2)
5. The two people who left with Randy and sealed his fate were closely bonded, and at least one of them was a male. Again, it would be much harder for two people to keep a secret than it would be for one. For two to keep the secret over all of these years, they would likely be more closely entwined than just high school friends: i.e. brothers, cousins, or lovers. At least one would have probably been male because some degree of physical strength would have been necessary in disposing of Randy and his car. For example, someone might have had to lug his unconscious or dead body into the trunk of the car. Or some figure of strength may have been necessary to swim the car out to the middle of a pond or lake.
6. The persons who committed this crime are unlikely to still be in the area. The story of the Randy Leach disappearance has been in the local news numerous times in the last eighteen years. If the criminals were still in the area, they would be living among many others who had been at the party that night. They would therefore have to take great care to keep their stories straight and not say anything, no matter how seemingly insignificant or slight, that would cause others to start wondering about their possible involvement. They are likely to be reading this blog, and very unlikely to be contributing to it.
Katmandu (anonymous) says…
Whatever Happened to Randy Leach? (Part 3)
My guess is:
This was probably not a murder. Yes, there were drug dealers and drug trafficking in Linwood (and in most small Midwestern towns at that time), but, like rednekbuddha said, most people knew who those guys were anyway. What would be the point in reporting them, especially considering the less than stellar law enforcement of that era? What did Randy know or do that could cause someone to terminate his life?
Randy Leach left the party in company of two others. He may have been drunk or stoned, unconscious, or dead as his car left the Erwin's property. If Randy was dead, someone thought that his death would be a problem for others. (What would the autopsy reveal?) If Randy was not dead when he left the party, it was likely that he was being taken home and died enroute. (Perhaps he had been thrown into the trunk as a joke for the ride home, and expired there. Would the drivers have been up to waking Harold in the middle of the night and saying "Sorry, Mr. Leach. We put Randy in the trunk as a joke and he died there.")?
Randy Leach died eighteen years ago. I believe that a series of bad judgments made by a couple of confused, drug-addled, or stupid-drunk kids turned an unnecessary and unfortunate death into an enduring mystery. Maybe my guess is a close approximation of what happened, or maybe it is way off base. Whatever the circumstances are that took Randy from his parents, it is time to give up the secrets and return Randy to his parents. They need answers. They need closure. They need to know that when their time comes, they can be buried next to their beloved son their only child.
(Okay, that's my theory and commentary. Let me know where you think it works and where it doesn't. Rip it up, spit it out, and add your own thoughts, insights, and vitriol. I can take it.)
yammytam (anonymous) says…
I still dont believe anyone at the party could have anything to do with it (accidental or intentional) but I do believe someone knows something
I know thinking about it has been consuming my life since the play i keep trying so hard to remember things and nothing new is popping up
and I think Mr Erwin was at work that night he worked at the railroad
KUDRAMA (anonymous) says…
Katmandu;::::::.. Impressive
KUDRAMA (anonymous) says…
Who were the brothers that resided near the party? And wasn't there a large body of water just west of the brothers residence? Wasn't one of the brothers supposed to of taken Randy home??
Confused38 (anonymous) says…
kudrama...The brothers were James Burns and his brother whose first name I don't remember. There was a large pond between the road and their parents home. There also was a locked gate retricting entrance.
KUDRAMA (anonymous) says…
Do they still live in the area?
Confused38 (anonymous) says…
James went into the military several years later but no contact since. No idea about his brother or whether theb parents still live at the same house.
yammytam (anonymous) says…
david was the brother
KUDRAMA (anonymous) says…
Can we just ponder a theory, "the what if game".
One brother(brother #1) is taking intoxicated kids home, tells his other brother "Hey I've got to take her home, then I'll be back to get Randy:. Man is that guy messed up you need to run up there and check him out, he is f*#* up :he was down by his car looking for his keys last I heard, anyway I'll be right back: (Brother #2) goes and finds Randy near or in his car and flips him a little grief, then coaches him near the trunk, and with the trunk open knocks Randy off balance and some how gets randy in the trunk, brother # 2 laughing because it is all just in fun at this point, we've all done mean stuff to the drunk guy before, But when brother #1 returns and brother #2 says "check this out" and finds a terrible prank gone wrong:would it be possible for two trusting brothers that are now in a panic situation to dispose of a person and a vehicle within that 2-3 hour window in a remote location that only they knew like the back of their hand. And then swear to each other they would never talk about it again:.Just an idea
P.S Tammy, I thought it was James and John but wasn't sure.
cschott66219 (anonymous) says…
I think you're right. I think it was James and John. Interesting theory... Seems reasonable.
Katmandu (anonymous) says…
I telephoned Harold today to discuss this. He said that there were five Burns brothers. Yes, there was an older brother named David. John and James, however, were the ones at the party. James was in Randy's class, and John was a year younger. Harold said that James Burns was at the Leach home regularly during the first couple of weeks after Randy's disappearance - at a time when leads were coming in regularly and strategies for searching were constantly being discussed.
Harold said that there are three large ponds on or near the old Burns property. He said that he and others were out on the pond that is on the south side of that property in a boat using a fish finder to look for a submerged car, when someone concealed on the shore threw a large rock and hit the boat. Apparently they had divers from Topeka checking the deep end of that pond that day also, but everyone thought it best to leave after the incident with rock - thinking that it might be a warning and a prelude to shots being fired. He said that as new leads were pouring in at that time, they never made it back out to finish checking those ponds.
There were, acccording to Harold, at least two Smith brothers at the party. Harold believes that a third Smith brother was there also, but that young man denies being at the party. (Note: Robbie Smith, rednekbuddha's friend that he has mentioned here several times, was not a member of that Smith family.)
Katmandu (anonymous) says…
Correction: There was no Robbie Smith. Rednekbuddha's friends that he has mentioned here previously were Robbie Marble and Scott Smith. Scott Smith was not one of the Smith siblings referenced above. My bad. KMD
myopinionwontmatter (anonymous) says…
Where are the Burns brothers today? (the two that were at the party) and why haven't all the ponds been searched again? Is that even possible at this stage in the game?
Just_wondering (anonymous) says…
What about searching Harold and Alberta's pond? I don't know if it is deep enough, but if you are talking about searching various ponds in the area why not search theirs? Surely they would have no objection to someone doing this.
Katmandu (anonymous) says…
Harold has already gone through the indignity of taking a lie detector test (and he passed). I'm certain that he would let you drag his pond, dig up his garden, or snoop through his underwear drawer if that would answer your concerns and get the effort re-focused where it should be - on finding Randy. Yes, Harold has angered a lot of people over the years. There are folks out there who characterize him as everything from "unpleasant" to "a mean old bastard." But he and Alberta have suffered a loss that is beyond comprehension to most of us. Excuse their anger and thank God Almighty that you, and me, and the rest of us will never have to know how we would have handled the same situation if it was one of our children who vanished.
Just_wondering (anonymous) says…
Isn't that what we are all doing here is to try and find out what happen to Randy? Why not assume any possibility is true. You are so eager to believe that a Satanist cult was involved but cannot fathom that it could have been done within his own family? I mean after all how do you know that someone wouldn't find Randy in the Leach's pond? You are assuming that I am trying to say that Harold and Alberta had something to do with Randy's death, that they may even know that he has been "home" all of this time, laying peacefully within their own farm pond. When that isn't what I am saying, what I am saying is that why not look there? Wouldn't that be the almost perfect place to hide him? All these years, right under his parent's noses, where no one would have the audacity to look or where his own parents wouldn't allow anyone to look. Does anyone want to consider the possibility that Randy could have stumbled in the night of the party, awaking Harold. Any father would have been angry that their child had come home drunk/stoned stumbling into the house. Words are spoken, maybe there is pushing, shoving, a few swings back and forth between father and son. As Randy gets mad and states that he is leaving, Harold tries to stop him and a terrible accident happens, there are stairs by the backdoor, the backdoor that everyone used. As Randy is trying to storm out of the house in an unstable state, and his father tries to stop him. Randy falls down the stairs. Harold checks on him but unfortunately Randy is no more. Harold can't call the police because of the bruises on Randy's face, so he does what he has to do.....And throughout all of these years he has been searching for killer(s) that will never be found because they lie at home. So I do not want to search his underwear drawer, I don't care that he has taken a lie detector test, you tell yourself for long enough that you weren't a part of your sons death and I am sure you would start to believe it as a truth, because they only work if you believe it's a lie.
goodconscious (anonymous) says…
Katmandu I have no idea who you are but how about letting Harold Leach speak for himself. I've heard by good people he knows how to talk.
Katmandu (anonymous) says…
I've never said that Randy was killed by Satanists. That would be clearly the most far-fetched of scenarios, except for the one put forth by Just_wondering. And both, btw, were addressed in the play - nothing original in your scenario J_w. Also, Harold and Alberta are not on the Internet. I have spoken for them at times on this blog because they have asked me to, and all of those times I have identified those comments as being sanctioned by them. My comments tonight are my own, the concerns of a Leach family friend who is growing tired of all the red herrings being tossed about to keep the waters muddied and progress at a standstill.
Let's check all of the ponds - Harold's, the Burns', yours, and any others in the area that are large enough to hide a car for eighteen years.
It is a shame that those responsible for the disappearance of Randy Leach can't "grow a set" (as rnb likes to say) and come forward now to cleanse their consciences and let themselves and his parents experience a brief amount of peace.
yammytam (anonymous) says…
wow
KUDRAMA (anonymous) says…
coragyps atratus aka "just_wondering" interesting post of obvious emotions based theory. As you have demonstrated maturely level in past post I can only assume you are a youth lacking education. Your theory is possible although from psychological standpoint your theory does not make sense, Let's consider Mr. Leach did do something out of anger and was not premeditated he would gone through numerous psychological phase's directly after the incident occurred. Anger, Shame, Fear (just to name a few) These are all involuntary responses that can not be controlled for the exception of approximately less the .1% in the united states today. And that point one percent of the United States population is known as a serial killer. If Mr. Leach did not plan to harm his son as you described in your theory, How would it of physically possible for Mr. Leach to have completed a police report and tracked Randy's last known locations all before the crack of dawn with out alerting law enforcement to his behavior. Why wouldn't he have waited 12-15 hours after the incident to gain control of his emotions, as of that point time was on his side no one else would have had any reason of concern. This is just one of the "simpler" reasons I do not feel you theory is based on any in-depth research and only on past emotions that is not productive in the closure of the Randy Leach case, And I'll say again Please remove your emotions and continue with discussion's that may assist with closure for Randy Leach. Just a thought.
Just_wondering (anonymous) says…
Something else to think about, how many parents call the police or even a family member at 6 a.m. the morning their 17 year old doesn't come home after a night out partying with friends? Why would his parents automatically assume the worst? I know that if I had stayed out all night, and especially if my parents knew there was a possibility that I was going to attend a party, they wouldn't have started worrying calling family members to go search the grounds where the party was held. If they hadn't heard from me by mid morning they would have started calling my friends and venturing out on their own to look for me rather than having other people do it for them. It just doesn't make any sense to me!
backtogeorgia (anonymous) says…
katmandu
with that talk of all these ponds, does Mr. & Mrs. Leach plan on having those ponds looked at? What would go into looking into the ponds at the Burns home? Do you have to get special permission or get a court order to do so? best of luck to all
yammytam (anonymous) says…
Just_wondering ........I know if my kid is 10 minutes past curfew Im on the phone right away also they did venture out to look for him they showed up at the party the next morning so before you start shooting off at the mouth you should make sure you know what your talking about
rednekbuddha (Kelly Powell) says…
back to georgia.....Unless you are planning a witch hunt, you ask the burns family politley and with respect.....When and if they give permission, you then apologize when the search finds nothing.
KUDRAMA (anonymous) says…
Redneckbuda, No one has advised where one person may be able to locate Randy Leach or his vehicle, although it caught my eye when someone advises where he won't be found causing concern that person may still be able to help with additional information.
rednekbuddha (Kelly Powell) says…
kudrama....backtogeorgia asked a question....I answered......as for the burns's, they were questioned.....why is it , that people posting here think it reasonable that they should start questioning people again? i find it odd and insulting that you people do not seem to understand that those kind of comments can lead to slander and or libel country......if i knew the burns phone # i would call them and allow them the chance to answer to these very leading comments....Remember, this is a PUBLIC forum.
rednekbuddha (Kelly Powell) says…
but now, I'm obviously trying "to hide" something by responding to this latest bout of idiocy.....What if me and some friends went over and started dragging the ponds of every member of the family? Do you think they would be insulted and upset? Don't you think other people may feel the same? just maybe, some of you budding detectives need to realize that if there was probable cause these actions would of happened.....Before you start f*cking with other peoples lives and rights, maybe you should try to imagine how YOU would feel? i know....Everybody here will probably say"I would let them do it"......It is real easy to pay lip service until you are on the receiving end.
rednekbuddha (Kelly Powell) says…
And katmandu.....Why is is an"indignity" for harold to have taken a poly, but perfectly reasonable for others to have taken one? Statistically, the average murder is done by somebody in the family....so it seems to me that it was perfectly reasonable to poly him....like i said, i do not believe he did it(whatever the "it" is) but do not expect pity from everyone else who got questioned themselves......and you are so willing to disrupt everyones lives in reopening the case again....Then again you volunteered for this gig...hope you get that 15 minutes of fame.....
scott_zoeller (anonymous) says…
F*ck it u want to check my apt you can. I got 2 pools and a hot tub here, it would be kinda hard to hide a car in them but if you realy want to come here and look Ill let ya. For all of you who are wondering who the hell I am, Im Randy's 2nd youngest cousin. Im sure most of the fam would not have a problem with you checking our property. Im sure your not going to find it at most of our places.
carolannfugate (anonymous) says…
Has anyone considered this.
The Guy had over protective Patrent's; the kind that call the cops when he is 10 minutes late. Maybe he just took off. Maybe that is why he and his \car are no where to be found. He may be sipping margaritas on a beach in Mexico.
carolannfugate (anonymous) says…
Has anyone considered this.
The Guy had over protective Patrents; the kind that call the cops when he is 10 minutes late. Maybe he just took off. Maybe that is why he and his \car are no where to be found. He may be sipping margaritas on a beach in Mexico.
onewhocares (anonymous) says…
I too am a cousin and I wouldn't hide anything that could leave to help finding Randy. Also for carolannfugate--you must not be a very good friend or anyone that knows the family very well--Randy wouldn't just run off and leave his mustang behind let alone leave his mother and father not knowing rather he was dead or alive.
I too have children and when they were late coming home I either drove around and found them or I made phone calls. That's what parents are suppose to do.
Think about the thoughts that have gone thru the families heads about what;where;why--
I pray no-one else ever has to go through anything that my Aunt and Uncle have had to go through the past 18 years.
What would you do????How would you act?????
rednekbuddha (Kelly Powell) says…
No one is saying that you are "hiding"anything....This is the crux of the matter.....when does the need for closure of the leach family and the trodding on the rights of the indiviual clash? If you want to go dragging peoples ponds on their private property, should you not be asking these people in the most courteous and respectful terms? If people just randomly showed up on your property and were "looking for evidence" without your leave.....would you not as a landowner feel insulted?
the point I am trying to make is this.....If people have been questioned and investigated for 18 years.....if in all this time the law has not deemed that there was reason to do this drag the farm ponds thing.....Then be prepared to not have the backing of the law when you do these things.....the attitude and way of asking people better be a hell of a lot better then the witch hunt mentality that I am seeing here.......Not everybody cares that randy is gone....Personally I give a rats ass....I barely knew the kid and it is 18 years now....maybe i would care more if I had not been dragged into this circus, but whatever.....Heartless? Maybe.....but i have not dragged this family into my affairs....I am more concerned about people having to deal with another round of B.s, dog chasing his tail futility.....so, unless you start having some real leads or some real evidence, this little passion play is becoming real old and if you cannot get more cooperation from the kbi, and fbi, maybe it is because the case is unsolvable and not some grand conspiracy theory.......you had the chance to make amends....now via the magic of the internet, I hope more people speak up and tell you people what clown shoe idiots you are being.....have a nice day.
Katmandu (anonymous) says…
The Buddha has awakened! Welcome back.
Backtogeorgia, your question was addressed to me, and I apologize for not responding last night. Yes, the landowner's permission is required. In all likelihood, much of the property around Linwood may have changed owners over the last two decades, and some landowners would probably agree to a search. Warrants are also possible, but only when there is evidence that would convince a Court that a search would be likely to produce results. The best way to approach it, I think, would be to go to the Leavenworth County Assessors office and look at their aerial maps of the vicinity and decide the likeliest places - and then approach the owners on an individual basis. It would take a lot of planning and work. Divers would be great on larger ponds or lakes - and today's technology also includes metal detectors designed for underwater work. Again, lots of work and planning involved.
RNB - I have had my share of notice in this life, most of it positive. If I wanted fifteen minutes of additional fame here, I would give my name. To find out who is really begging for attention with this effort, all one has to do is scroll to the top of this blog and see who started it. Another fun activity for those with too much time on their hands would be to check out the fifty plus pages of comments that you have sent into this paper over the last several years. After plowing throw as much of it as I could take, I have a suggestion - change your handle to "Forever Angry!" Peace, Brother.
rednekbuddha (Kelly Powell) says…
And none of them are about this farce until the whole thing became a fictional play....which by the way, did become the witch hunt that i thought it would....a bunch of idiots with little to know information about the case venting your spleens using nothing but 5th hand knowledge and rumors...........i started this because I knew the play would gloss over the actions of harold leach and his compatriots....people, who in their zeal for justice, became criminals in the eyes of the law(but were allowed this for pity's sake)....none of that was addressed in the play....why wasn't it? You never answered why it was okeydokey for everyone else to be under the gun, but it was an outrage that the family was looked into.....you stated that the satanist angle was suspect....but the underlying message of the family is that the conspiracy of a bunch of teens is still there.
i wish to f*ck that the internet was as big then is it is as now........more people would of spoken their minds on the sheer idiocy that this thing became. have you seen me write any theory or opinion on what happened to randy? NO.....i am probably one of the most level headed people typing here.....And unlike most of the posters, i have perused the police reports.....
As for you being anonymous.....I'm sure your name will appear highly in the mini series or made for t.v movie that , I no doubt, you hope this will become......
and as for your theory.....if it was any more vague, you could probably fit yogi bear and the cast of facts of life into it comfortably........
and by the way, it is more like 137 comments to the paper......and none of it is as spurious and baseless as the pap you are selling sister...Face it most of the people beside me and tammy are family members.....and even they cannot get along....why is it so hard to swallow that if they want to requestion people and search their property,the family should show some f*cking courtesy and respect? they done screwed the pooch for 18 years, don't you think a change of attitude may do some good?
rednekbuddha (Kelly Powell) says…
and for info sake, I allowed my name to be shown about two years ago.....It helps me keep from making comments that i would not defend in real life.....i do not feel comfortable wearing a cyber mask.....How about you?
rednekbuddha (Kelly Powell) says…
this reminds me of chris farley in a saturday night live scit....Where he was a person doing completley inappropriate things at a party....and when he was called on it, screamed my family was eaten by bears!
honest question....do you think this snake eating it's tail rehashing of old information will really bring results around? Or do you just want to feel warm and fuzzy knowing you tried? because if you are just helping these people rip scabs off over and over again, you are in actuality, hurting them, not helping.
rednekbuddha (Kelly Powell) says…
and in closing(I really hope for the last time.....i just had to type when i saw the witch hunt happening) If you know nothing about the case...shut up!.....If you do...email the above people...but not me....I'm just here to make sure you kids don't fire up the torches and storm someones castle......I advise all here to get drunk.
goodconscious (anonymous) says…
I believe some of the things Kelly Powell is saying is correct. In any manner if you want information you don't get it by being the town jerk. In our society where there are sane people you are to respect others even if your only son has disappeared. Even our courts today say you are not guily until you are proven guily. I suggest we all get off of our high horses and see what can be done in finding out what happened to Randy Leach and hope to many bridges has not been burned behind Mr. Leach and his investigation in finding his son. To Katmandu are we also getting angry, shame on you.
yammytam (anonymous) says…
good points Kelly :)
rednekbuddha (Kelly Powell) says…
onewhocares..."He wouldnt leave his mustang"......Jesus christ on a friggin pogo stick....did you even consider how vain and shallow that sounds?
a frickin mustang? A car? you summed up his leaving his life, if not this mortal coil, with his love of a ford? If I was not a truly wordy bastard(I do have the mailmans eyes)I would be laid speechless by that sheer inbred,ignorant, and just plain STUPID statement......
as i have stated....If this guy(Yes, GUY, he would be 35 or 36 by now, if he is alive) ever turned up....I would , after challenging him to a duel(sabres and bowie knives at dawn.....no quarter) Undoubtedly give a more noble and complimenting eulogy then his afore mentioned 1st, 2cnd and 3rd couisin
"this man ,shames us all...he outlived himself by his score and more....by his abscence, he laid many low......he raised his kin to never let the facts get in way of the truth........his body never weighed as much as the shadow he cast on his peers......his clan showed their colors....blackgaurds to the man....never confessing to stepping on their neibhors name(if not his lands)....never admitting they used the low road in the name of the high....(our blessed lord, keep us and protect us from our own pride)....sending their idiot relatives with flintlock and knife, to harass the common folk to perjure themselves for their vengance...not for the truth.......this mans deeds in his abscence, far outweighed his name....
That is a hell of lot better than "He wouldnt leave his mustang".....f*cktard.
scott_zoeller (anonymous) says…
Damn everyone on here has us figured out. I mean come on lets put all of us into one box and just give it a f#cked up title. Im sorry I was f#cking 8 at the time of his dissaperance. Im sorry I dont have a warm fuzzy story to tell. From what I do remember from my cousin I was a pain in his ass cause he had 10 years on me and he didnt want to deal with a kid normal teenager sh*t. I do rember the kick a$$ bedtime storys of how a satanic cult killed him. Good for when your 10 or 11 years old. But I did grow up. I got the f*cking joys of being the one who graduated 10 years after his dissaperance. (for those of you who cant count he came up missing in 1988, I graduated in 1998) Being a excops kid in Junk Town was hard enough, then I had this monkey on my back also. I guess I come from a more pissed off angle. Cause who ever f*cking killed my cousin I f*cking hate you. Its not cause we were close. Its cause you f*cked up my high school years, you made my family go nuts and ultimatly split up. You made my grandma die this past year without knowing were her grandson is. Me personaly I could give a f*ck. I just want to know were he is for my dead grandma. If you have a problem with that you can kiss my a$$. If you told me on my 27th birthday we would still be goin thru all of this I would have said "You must be f*cking me". There are 10 aunts and uncles, there are about 35 of us 1st cousins, there are god only know how many 2nd & 3rd cousins. Were all over the place. So when you try to slap a lable on us I have a problem with that. Im sorry my dumb a$$ cousin pulled a gun on ya. But if you were to put him in a police line up right now I probly could not pick him out. It is true Alberta didnt come see her mother on her death bed. Hell she didnt even show up to the funeral. But there was a large part of the cousins who didnt show up eather. So ya this shows that we do have some problems. When theres this many people its very hard to please us all. Hell the first time I talked to Harold & Alberta in about 7 years was at the play. Dont be pissed at my Mom or Dad cause of what I have said it was all me.
onewhocares (anonymous) says…
Well Kelly I think you finally have us all figured out. It is nice for you to share your stupidity with all of us. Just becoz someone in this life cares about more than themself or that they can't get an I'm sorry for you being treated so bad. You think we have all of your problems. Man get over it. Did you grow up with noone caring where you were or what happens to you?? Oh yeah I bet Uncle and Aunt had a baby and later planned on getting rid of him and then spending the rest of their lives looking for him. What the He- - is wrong with you????
If you don't know anything then shut up and let someone else that might know something talk.
I have read all of your comments on the blog and the others that you put your two sense in well that is about it two cents. Maybe if you had a life then you would know why my Uncle and Aunt want so badly to find their son.
And last I read Uncle Harold took a lie detector test. What part of that do you not understand????
I am not sure But I think someone out there is smart enough to know that you have to have permission to search someone else's land. But since you are the Lawyer and you feel you are so much higher than us we will be sure to call and ask your permission before we continue anything else.
thanks for your kind words and your concern on our help in searching for someone that was and still is very much loved.
The true YOU comes out in your answers.
May God forgive you coz it sounds like you need someone on your side.
KUDRAMA (anonymous) says…
The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts.
Bertrand Russell (1872 - 1970)
goodconscious (anonymous) says…
onewhocares my my are you becoming anrgy like your pal katmandu? The last I knew this was a free speech world unless things have changed. I believe the problem is some of the comments are not what you want to hear. I will also quote YOU if you don't have anything to say shut up. Lets get back to why I hope everyone is here and that is Randy Leach. If someone knows something PLEASE let the Leach Family know. I can't possibly know what they are going thru I can only guess I have children also, I would possibly be in a nut house now if one of my children disappeared. If onewhocares really cares get off your high horse and listen .and less anger. come on guys lets help this family
rednekbuddha (Kelly Powell) says…
Rock on,......The underlying premise of harold and believers(if this was a company I would make them give the "INC" sign ) is, that , since no one is guilty...everyone is guilty......Let us start throwing away theories...And by god, apologize to those you have wronged...Get rid of all the chaff, and the grains of truth may start bearing fruit......Until this happens, you are just beating a horse you killed 18 years ago....F*cking apologize to those you have wronged....Let us , with a clear conscience , move on with our lives...without the threat of you guilting lv. county to questioning us AGAIN.......I want this sh!t to end on my part, and the parts of any person that is till within range of your hate and/or county lines(because , noone outside of these linesare questioned)
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JHAWKGURL (anonymous) says…
Wow, I disappear for a few days and come back to find that this blog has not accomplished much except some mud slinging, some airing of family dysfunction and the repeat of the same thing over and over? When is this going to end? Does anyone really think they have "discovered" anything new on this blog that will lead anyone to where they think Randy is? I am not being a smarta$$ either...I really want to know...
janeb (anonymous) says…
I think this has only brought up more pain from what I have seen. Clearly the Family needs answers but also those who have been scrutinized i.e redneckbubba have suffered unnessasary pain as a rult of the longstaning investigation that keeps intruding into their lives. Acceptance may be the key to letting those who have suffered from this to move on and live their lives.
KUDRAMA (anonymous) says…
The weak can never forgive. Forgiveness is the attribute of the strong.
Mohandas Gandhi
KUDRAMA (anonymous) says…
F*cking apologize to those you have wronged......words of an angered author::When anger rises, think of the consequences. Confucius (479 BC - 551 BC) as this author may have learned another important quote :::.Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent. Isaac Asimov (1920 1992?? I think) .... my question to this author, How may you help others when you may be the one needing help. Wink wink ::..Just my thought???
backtogeorgia (anonymous) says…
Ouch!
KUDRAMA (anonymous) says…
Did I say something wrong, I thought this was a public bog where one could voice their views openly?
rednekbuddha (Kelly Powell) says…
did you hear me complaining?
KUDRAMA (anonymous) says…
Redneckbuhda, Why won't you return any of my emails,Tammy said she forwarded everything to you.
Spider (anonymous) says…
Here's an idea: Why doesn't everyone on this blog who was at the party get together at a bar or something and brainstorm about what they think may have happened to Randy? I am sure people have their theories, and they can compare them. The sooner people get this thing behind them, the sooner they can all get closure and get on with their lives. Kelly, I know you have been hurt by this and want your hell to end. As a mother myself, I know how the Leaches must feel. My own daughter disppeared for two weeks. It was the worst hell on Earth for me. At least I got my daughter back. My hell only lasted two weeks. Their hell is still here. They just want the truth, whatever it is. A good parent worries constantly about their kids, no matter how trouble-free they may seem. To lose a child is by far the worst thing that can happen to a parent.
rednekbuddha (Kelly Powell) says…
kudrama....I apologize, i am horrible about returning messages....just started a new job....look for something sun. eve.
cschott66219 (anonymous) says…
Kelly,
This is the only way to get hold of you since you never sent me your personal email address as you said you would. I must apologize for giving my sister your phone number to set up and interview with you, but I don't think it warranted a cussing out. She was all prepared to hear your side, but was thwarted by your behavior on the phone. From my own talk with you on the phone, I can tell that you are intelligent, and I thought you were willing to speak with us. Assuming you are innocent in the Randy Leach disappearance, then you will be awarded an apology when the case is solved.
Cindy Hutchison
JHAWKGURL (anonymous) says…
Kelly
I know that you have all of these people wanting to "interview" you and get your side of the story which you have tried to tell on here but I would still like to talk to you. I AM a family member of Randy and you know this but I would still like to have a meeting with you. I have left my personal email on here for you and I left you a voice mail. At your convience please contact me. I am trying to treat you with much respect....I just need to talk to you.
rednekbuddha (Kelly Powell) says…
ms. hutchison....I was having dinner with guests and your sister called three times in the space of an half hour,....the answering machine was on and that is what it is for......I'll consider your request, but quite frankly, if you're not going to get any new info from me, and that show of impatience was a heavy stroke against me wanting to talk with you.
as for an apology, I am owed one NOW.....I am asking for an apology over THEIR bahaivor towards me.....I would of never crossed their path if they had not bulldozed into mine....I didn't kill their kid,I do not know who did(if anybody did).... and despite all that, i have cooperated more with this investigation then most people after this long of time.
KUDRAMA (anonymous) says…
Rednekbuddha, Thank you for your response as I will be looking forward hearing from you soon.
JHAWKGURL (anonymous) says…
Hello Mr. Marble. Is this the first time you have been on here to read this past months blogs? Do you have anything enlightening you would like to add? Any input on your part would be well appreciated.
JHAWKGURL (anonymous) says…
Rob,
Thank you for the time you have taken to write what you have. Your input is appreciated as well as Kellys.
I do have an actual stake in this as it is my family member and I am sure you understand that we want to put an end to this and find out what happened to Randy. I worry that we may never find out but also being a stubborn person I am not giving up because that is not my style, however I do wish things would have been done differently in the begining but we can not turn back time. Thank you for your time in this matter
rednekbuddha (Kelly Powell) says…
The d&d book was mine....I had bought it and the knife at a garage sale about two weeks before this happened and left it your car, along with a change of clothes and a bottle of canadian mist (which you still owe me for)...
do not forget the other clincher.....the kris knife had a upside down star scratched into it(gasp, que evil music).....The knives and the books have been tested by the kbi and no trace of blood or dna evidence was found.....
JHAWKGURL (anonymous) says…
Mr. Marble
I have emailed you on one of your email accounts. THank you for your time.
KUDRAMA (anonymous) says…
Robert,
Agreeing with you request, my real name has been emailed to you.
Again thank you for speaking up, it's encouraging when people that were at the party are willing to speak openly, assisting in the closure that is way overdue for all involved to include Kelly, Tammy and yourself. A lot was possibly mishandled by the Leach family, Leavenworth County along with numerous police departments. Although they can't go back and change the way different issues were handled I believe the main objective is still locating Randy Leach. What do you remember the night of the party? Katmandu appears to have direct contact with the Leach family and posted questions that still remain unanswered. I'm going to copy and post them again; you may be able help get the answers.
Here are their questions / comments.
1. What about the keys being tossed back and forth in front of the porch light about 11:00 p.m. that night? Randy was, according to several witnesses, staggering between the participants shouting "Give me my keys, I want to go home." Rednekbuddha, do you know anything about this, or about the next two items.
2. What about Randy being spun around inside the garage around midnight in a swivel chair. Could the purpose of that have been to keep him disoriented?
3. What about the take-down (Randy being tackled) on the east side of the garage shortly after midnight? Witnesses said that Randy got a lot worse after that. He had been starting to sober up, or possibly whatever was in his system was wearing off. Could the object of the take-down have been to help keep him disoriented?
4. Randy was apparently made to sit on a bench in the Erwin home sometime after midnight so that he would not fall and hurt himself. Who among you saw him there?
5. Between 1:00 and 1:30 a.m. Randy was taken outside supposedly so that he would not fall in the house and hurt himself. He was taken to his car and laid on the front seat. He was asking for his car keys at that time. Who can talk to us about that?
6. At 1:45 a.m. a boy went to the campfire and asked one of the partiers if he had Randy's keys. The response was, "Yes, and you can't have them." Who was the person who had the keys at the bonfire at 1:45 a.m.?
7. According to Ann Erwin, the hostess, Randy was in her home at 2:05 a.m. standing in line to use the bathroom. He was then apparently sent back outside. No attempt was made to call his parents, even though those at the party knew that he was too messed up to drive.
8. Randy did not have his car keys and he was incapable of driving. Who drove him away from the party? Someone needs to identify the driver - please!
9. Randy arrived at the party in a messed up state. Who was driving his car around Linwood earlier that evening. Who drove his car to the party? Driving the car was not a crime - give us the name.
rednekbuddha (Kelly Powell) says…
The same questions again....To answer....
1: I did not seei t, so I do not believe it happened....The space between the house and the fire was about 50 yards....Voices would of carried.
2: I did not see this, even though I can believe it happened....tell me, how much spinning could keep a person disorientated for hours? A f*cked up person in a swivel chair is pretty much fair game to be spun (see man law number 277)
3: It was not until this thread started that I had heard randy got into a fight or was shoved down....though as messed up as he was, I could see someone shoving him to the ground, as much as he was leaning into people and spraying them with his spittle as he talked....As far as I know this was not in the original police reports....when did this info come out?
rednekbuddha (Kelly Powell) says…
seriously...When did this rumor start? You are asking for us to be honest....Answer some questions for us. Because this really sounds like something that came up years later....people starting to try to fill the gaps....and as a side notice, I was never once asked about randys girl friend when i was polygraphed.......Maybe one question during the first interview....but they have not asked me any other time in 18 years......no one I have spoke to that was there saw her....Yet this was a recurring theme in the play.....do the leaches feel she is a suspect? Or is this the same as them denying the last part of the play not being harolds personal theory.. (even though at the beginning of the last act, he states "this is what i think happened) ?
Katmandu (anonymous) says…
Harold and Alberta believe that the girlfriend was at the party during the early hours - based on reports of some others who were there. The play was a fictionalzied account of a real incident (the same method as used on "Law and Order"), and Harold has not limited himself to one theory. I saw the play multiple times and did not come away with any indication that it was focusing on anyone in particular as the villain - least of all the girlfriend. The playwright indicated in news accounts that he used various sources of material for his fictional work, including, according to the news article at the head of this thread, statements of Harold and Alberta Leach, newspaper clippings, and police reports.
I was glad to see that Rob Marble has joined the conversation. His comments were calm and lucid, and they added to my understanding of what life was like in Linwood in 1988. Comments from Randy's other friends, including the girlfriend, might fill in some important gaps and lead us to understand what really happened that night. It's time to unravel this mystery and put it, and Randy Leach, to rest.
rednekbuddha (Kelly Powell) says…
katmandu....you have to be kidding me, pam was portrayed as a evil seductress b!tch through the entire play.....I have to call a general concensus on that..did or did not the play cast "the girlfriend" in a very negative light?
further katmandu, everything people have said here has been said multiple times....You are not going to"unravel the mystery"....Good luck to you, but a bunch a yayhoos schmoozing on a messegeboard simply does constitute an investigation...and further more, your understanding of what happened at the party is immaterial.....multiple teams of investigators(other than the original morons) have and are working on the case.....unless you are a law enforcement officer, i would advise you to drop the high handed tone you have carried through this entire conversation.
i to, thank rob for showing up and voicing his opinion.....And if he had saw the play(did anybody tape it?) he would be as outraged as me.
scott_zoeller (anonymous) says…
Randys girlfriend has been painted in a negative light. I have no idea if she was there or not. You want to know why cause I wasnt there. We have beaten this horse to death. Kelly & Rob you 2 gave the family a story to run with for 18 years. Its the story I have always been told over and over agin. Randy was taken by a satanic cult put in a cave and killed. This is the bull sh*t story that has been past generation to generation. The play is exactly what my uncle harold has been telling the family since day one. He would tell us what he wanted us to know. Then the rest of us were stuck to figure it out for ourselves. Katmandu who are you realy. Cause you clame to know them but trust me you dont realy know them. As far as the qusetion Harold and Alberta want to know there junk questions. Its the same thing over and over agin. Randy was at the party and he was messed up I think we all get that. I realy doubt if thats what killed him? Questions 8 & 9 are the most disturbing, cause if you tell who was driving the car earlyer in the night Im a 1000% sure the leaches will point a finger and say they killed him. (For everyone information the family is diveded into the Rose side and the Leach side, Im on the Rose side) They are the people who will knock on your door unasked as start qustioning you with out a cop. I know Im pissing off people right now cause i wont shut up but we cant keep going after people on our own. They have a very MOB mentality (the law dont apply to them). Question 9 may answer something for us. But I dont think anyone saw him leave. If someone took him away & they were the one who killed him Im sure there not going to talk. If someone killed him it was no more than 2 people and even that would be hard for them. Randy was 6ft 3 and 220 pounds. In high school and normal life thats a big guy. Very hard to move 220 dead weight around. Plus keeping your mouth shut would be kinda hard for this many years, especialy if you had more than 1 person who killed him. Dont give me this crap that he might still be alive. He has been missing more years than he has lived so im kinda sure hes dead. I have seen high school kids kill eachother & Im sorry they dont keep there mouth shut trust me I know this from growing up in the 90's & in Junction. So it had to be some sort of adult someone over the age of 21, if not over the age of 25. Most of this is my own oppenion so dont take this and run like some many people have over the last 18 years. But the play is the story i have been told since i was 8.
scott_zoeller (anonymous) says…
The family took what they got from your car and created this story that we all see and hear today. Trust me in no way do I belive you guys had anything to do with this. I dont mean to put you down in anyway but this wasnt a high school murder.
Katmandu (anonymous) says…
High-handed? That's certainly a case of the pot calling the kettle black! Calm down, RNB, or you'll give yourself a stroke.
Again, the play was fictional because no one has come forward yet to tell the real story of what happened to Randy. The girlfried was presented in a negative light in the play. She was not, however, portrayed to be his abductor or killer in any of the scenarios, nor was any motive given for her to have had that level of involvement.
scott_zoeller (anonymous) says…
Katmandu are you retarded? The play has his gf involved in killing him. In real life the gf has always been painted in a negative light. the problem is the play is what is real to a large part of the family. So dont give me this crap of everyone knows its fiction cause Im sorry the Leaches have pounded into everyones head that its them aginst the world.
KUDRAMA (anonymous) says…
Scott, Please email me at kugrad469@yahoo.com, i do not feel it is appropriate for myself, to humiliate you publicly on post, nor is it productive.
scott_zoeller (anonymous) says…
Trust me your not going to humiliate me on here. But i emailed you also so feel free to talk.
Spider (anonymous) says…
Well, I can tell those of you who have never been parents, and it is very obvious to me those who are in that category, just wait until a child of yours disappears!! The zealousness and what appears to you to be rudeness on the part of the Leaches is just desperate, parental care. I sympathize with them, but I also sympathize with those who have come under the looking glass of suspicion and have had their lives torn apart by this. I feel badly for the innocent people who have been badgered by the cops. It would have been nice if the cops had interviewed people with the thought that these people could help. I feel badly that people's lives have been affected so greatly when they had nothing to do with this. I just want this all to end so everyone can get on with their lives. I want this to end. I want everyone to get their answers and get on with their lives. It would be so nice to wake up tomorrow and know that this whole thing was just a dream and never happened.
KUDRAMA (anonymous) says…
Well said
KUDRAMA (anonymous) says…
Was the girl friend even at the party?
KUDRAMA (anonymous) says…
Posted by rednekbuddha (Kelly Powell) on November 1, 2006 at 5:19 p.m. (Suggest removal)
kudrama....I apologize, i am horrible about returning messages....just started a new job....look for something sun. eve.
KUDRAMA (anonymous) says…
What about the Burns brothers?
JHAWKGURL (anonymous) says…
in reference to whether or not Pam was at the party....I was told by her personally in 2003 that she was at a horse show that evening. A person who is closely related to her told me that they actually helped her get ready to attend this horse show. Not sure if that is what the rumor was at the time? my two cents...
JHAWKGURL (anonymous) says…
also, before anyone comes at me on the last comment.....the person closely related to Pam that I used to be in contact with did not KNOW I was Randys cousin when they told me about the horse show and helping Pam get ready for it...I am also not on here to publicly humilate her or the family member but the family member is a reputable person who had no reason to "cover" for her. There that is another two cents I have to add..
rednekbuddha (Kelly Powell) says…
Well katmandu, since your a johnny comel lately on this whole thing I'll give you some advice.....i have dealt with people like you for 18 years now.....I am giving you my opinion and the facts as I know them as a courtesy....you on the other hand have nothing to offer me.....So I am in the right to say what I want about this the way I want to.....I am a person that was forced into this farce....while you volunteered.....the advise is this; If you are going to portray yourself as the leaches spokesperson, be prepared to take the flak like a good little girl....If not, butt the hell out.
Spider (anonymous) says…
Kelly, is there any way we can help you get past this? I wish I could help you in some way. 18 years is a long time. I know there is no way I can know what you have been through, but I wish we could find an answer so we can finally put an end to this. I know you are bitter, and I understand that. This has messed up a lot of lives. Maybe some day you will understand the hell the Leaches have been through. Believe me, it is really much worse than the hell you have been through. You say the Leaches owe you an apology. I don't think that is high on their priority list right now. Maybe someday when they know what happened to Randy they can reach that point.
rednekbuddha (Kelly Powell) says…
well spider, an apology is something that can be done now (albeit 13 years too late)..., they could get it over with....they will not, because they still think me and others had something to do with it..your damm right I'm bitter....and the play did not help that bitterness...I'm also very cynical of the fact that harold has not got onto a computer and allowed the people he accused to voice their opinionsTO HIM, not spokes people and not realatives......him.
KUDRAMA (anonymous) says…
rednekbuddha, Did you recieve my email?
Katlyn (anonymous) says…
I don't know if it is possible or how someone goes about doing this but has anyone involved TV media i.e. 20/20, dateline, cold case files, unsolved mysterious? I would think that if everyone that has posted would take 5 min. and write a letter to one of the above then maybe we could get more educated involvement other than our law enforcement. If others feel this could help, I would be more than happy to find the address where to send the letters.
yammytam (anonymous) says…
Pam was not there that I can recall
cant believe ole sparks got an award jeeze what has the world come to
yammytam (anonymous) says…
and it was on a talk show
Katmandu (anonymous) says…
Katlyn,
Wonderful idea! You can probably find the addresses on the Internet. Those who write, hopefully many, should reference this article and blog to show the extent of local interest and controversey. (And, the article at the head of the blog has a link to this newspaper's history of articles on Randy's disappearance.) This is the type of idea that could really make a difference. Thanks for posting it. I will join the effort and send some letters.
rednekbuddha (Kelly Powell) says…
unsolved mysterys thought about it, but later decided to pull out.
yammytam (anonymous) says…
??
KUDRAMA (anonymous) says…
Robert I missed something.....
Spider (anonymous) says…
Rob, go ahead and type in crap. I want to hear it.
rednekbuddha (Kelly Powell) says…
Hell, i passed mine and have still gotten hassled.....Unsolved mysterys will not do this because(this is theory) with the police reports now out in the public, their would be a strong chance of them being sued if they ran a scenario and somebody could directly correlate it with something from the reports....Also due to the fact that terry martin/harry lee harper and harold leach were saying they were working for unsolved mysterys(and do not give me any semantic arguements about the wording they used) thus putting unsolved mysterys in a unkind light.....A lack of a credible suspect is a big issue to.
smalltowngirl26 (anonymous) says…
What does "Say Cheese, Brad..." mean. I'm assuming Brad has a last initial of B? I'm very curious.
RNB - Just a question...Why did you not tell us the roots of the Satanism stories, i.e. your D&D book being found before Rob showed up?
rednekbuddha (Kelly Powell) says…
smalltown....quite frankly it slipped my mind....the satanic angle became so big that the books and knives seemed inconsequential compared to the cave sacrifice and the the conspiracy theory.....sorry if I have not answered your questions as fully as i could have.....maybe you should put a gun to my head.....won't be the first time.
KUDRAMA (anonymous) says…
It is my assumption Robert Marble comment was directed to myself as my real name is Brad, reference say cheese Brad:mutt Zimmerman, although the recent post has not reveled Robert's intention nor e-mail attempts, If anyone would enlighten me it would be much appreciated .
smalltowngirl26 (anonymous) says…
Does Matt Zimmerman know you? I thought he was quoting Matt...so why would Matt tell you to say cheese???
But maybe I read it all wrong???
rednekbuddha (Kelly Powell) says…
'Say cheese brad" is a all purpose catch phrase evolved from something zimmerman used to say....private joke between rob and me.....so quit trying to dissect it,.....even though it is amusing as hell to watch you guys try.
KUDRAMA (anonymous) says…
No, I don't know mutt other what I've read about in the blog, Confused....
KUDRAMA (anonymous) says…
Thanks Kelly...Glad it at least provided some amussment , but thanks for the clarification
rednekbuddha (Kelly Powell) says…
"rosebud"........
KUDRAMA (anonymous) says…
Careful Robert, There are people that could "dissect" your comment " The dogs bark at midnight" to the old omen If a dog barks at midnight facing north, it shows hurdles for the BrahamanAnd death of some dear and near one::: Thus feeding "sparks" for the fuel of another officer of the year.
Katmandu (anonymous) says…
Here is the address for Dateline NBC. Letters from multiple individuals could not hurt. Citing this article and attached thread would show the level of on-going interest and controversey associated with Randy's disappearance.
story suggestions
Dateline NBC
30 Rockefeller Plaza
New York, NY 10112
Harold's version of why Unsolved Mysteries backed off of doing the story was that the Leavenworth County Sheriff's Office came up with the National Geographic photo of the vagrant kid in California at that time and convinced Unsolved Mysteries that the case was as good as solved and therefor no need for their involvement. (If the Sheriff's Office couldn't solve the disappearance, they certainly didn't want a TV show coming to town and doing it for them.)
rednekbuddha (Kelly Powell) says…
And they would not of spent money to reunite randy with his folks? that would of been tv gold.....sorry, conspiracy theory again.
scott_zoeller (anonymous) says…
Im sorry to say as a family member according to some on here, I dont know what Im talking about cause I havent read all the exciting reports that are out there about this case. Im just telling you what I have learned from the diffrent encounters that I have had with my family that I guess according to some, dont mean sh*t and will never help with this case. To people who have been wronged by all of this Im sorry that I tried to offer a peaceful hand and let you know what happened on our end of all of this. Most of all I feel sorry the lone ranger had to call my work today to try to tell me what a bad job i have been doing on providing you with my limited knowlege on the subject of my missing cousin and my lack of insight on this case. This however, will not stop me from continuing to post my feelings and beliefs regarding this ongoing investigation.
rednekbuddha (Kelly Powell) says…
I need to rant further on this....Are you trying to tell me harold leach honestly feels that lv county would go through that much subterfuge just to avoid a little embarrassment? That's insane....never mind an apology, obviously grief has driven harold over the edge of reason......Hope the tinfoil hat works for you.
Katmandu (anonymous) says…
RNB, Your opinion on the Leavenworth County Sheriff's Office seems to bounce all over the place, depending on the prevailing winds of this thread. Harold has spent eighteen years looking and grieving for his son while you, on the other hand, have spent most of that time whining because somebody hurt your feelings. And you think that Harold has gone over the edge! His anger is understandable, but yours seems to be little more than some twisted vanity and a desire to be the center of attention. Grow up and move on.
rednekbuddha (Kelly Powell) says…
Katmandu....I can seperate the original inept investigation from those that happened later.... As i can see that even inept police would not stoop to the lows Mr. leach has them doing.....It is called being a reasonable person and using the brain god gave us.....Can you not see that there is a differance between some inept cops trying to solve a crime as easily as they could("must of been some drugged out kids") and cops purposely tanking the investigation to avoid some embarrassment? Let me make it easy for you sweet cheeks....All the hassles I have been put through by lv county and the kbi are a direct result of the original four stooges....It was their botched attempts at investigation that constitutes the original reports.... the same reports that other teams have to start with....hence every three years they have to wade through the b.s and redisregard it.....This of course has nothing to do with my earlier rants about harolds antics towards me and his cousins sticking a pistol in my face... which by the way is more than getting my "feelings" hurt....They were and are yayhoos who treated me with the utmost contempt....so now after 18 years of letting them have their say of the matter i finally have gotten a chance to say my piece on this .....And once again sweet cheeks, you volunteered for this gig, so my advice is to shut your pretty little mouth and learn from your betters.
And on a side note, if it wasnt for me "whining", this thread would of died three days after the article was posted.....I thought you wanted to find out what happened? Was not the very idea of the play to start dialogue? Dialogue you have got....When some one asks a valid question, they get a valid answer....when they spew the conspiracy theory line, I will descend apon them like a tone of bricks.....
Let's pose the question to the viewing audience..do you believe that lv. county (It was a differant team by the way....unsolved mysteries officially pulled out around 1999) would tank the investigation on purpose?
rednekbuddha (Kelly Powell) says…
i believe what i am doing here is trying to erase 18 years of wrong headed bullsh!t.....you on the other hand have not posted one original question or theory......All of these questions have been looked at by the kbi....let's disregard lv county for a minute....The KBI, which i will assume, is a much more professional entity.....All of your genius level theories and oh so penetrating questions have been old news for at least ten years....now, while i may vent my spleen at the on going disruption of my life and the real concern of some idiot decidng to play rambo again.....and the very real outrage at that abortion of a play....I still can keep a sense of proportion and use my common sense....which tells me that the conspiracy theory is still going on strong. And the people who believe in the conspiracy are, to all common sense, mentally disturbed.
rednekbuddha (Kelly Powell) says…
And as I have stated before, it was harold leachs' and terry martin/harry lee harper who really screwed the pooch about getting a tv show to cover it (other then jaerry springer...which quite frankly is where it belongs now).....look up the lj world article in 93.. it is in black and white....so you all must pardon me if I call bullsh!t on this.....And to correct my self, ift was 96 or 97 when they officially pulled out....still ten years after the original team.
smalltowngirl26 (anonymous) says…
do you believe that lv. county (It was a differant team by the way....unsolved mysteries officially pulled out around 1999) would tank the investigation on purpose?
No, I would not like to think that. But I do think they were a bunch of idiots and would try to cover up their hack job.
smalltowngirl26 (anonymous) says…
received-thank you
pagan_idolator (anonymous) says…
Okay - been reading this with interest. Yes - Harold and Alberta Leach must be completely tormented by whats happened to their son. As a parent I can think of nothing worse. However - Kelly is someones son as well and had a GUN stuck in his face! Just because your kid goes missing does not give you, or your relatives, the right to assault someone else's kid. Being a parent of 3 adult boys I can assure you that if anyone stuck a gun in their faces I would kill that person. Him and everyone smeared with this crap should be apologized to immediately. I would also like to know what happened to Randy Leach but I won't resort to nasty innuendos and name calling to find out. This is probably been thought of by better minds than mine but what is the possibility that Randy was taken home in his car, left sleeping in it, with the keys and woke up and tried to drive somewhere and drove into one of those ponds, possibly being too drunk to avoid it? Teenage boys do some incredibly stupid things - especially while drinking.
Spider (anonymous) says…
Trust me, there is nothing worse than possibly losing your kid. pagan_idolator, you sound like a good, passionate mother. I used to be a peace-loving, turn the other cheek person. That was until I became a mother. At that point, I became a tigris. I would kill for my kid, no problem. I totally understand the passion and frustration of the Leaches. I also try to understand what the other people who got caught up in this must feel. I have not been put in that position, fortunately. This whole thing is such a tragedy. So many people have been dragged into this.
I have tried to figure out what happened to Randy. I want so badly to find out, so we can end this for the Leaches, and for everyone else affected by this.
Who was the last person to have the keys to his car?
Were all of the local lakes checked for him and his car?
I have been at a point a few times myself when I was so drunk I could not remember how I got home. I am ashamed to admit I have driven drunk myself at times.
Did Randy have the keys to his car when he was last seen?
smalltowngirl26 (anonymous) says…
Wow, call out the police and all action on this blog has ceased.
rednekbuddha (Kelly Powell) says…
The differance between me and you rob is that I was here when the terry martin crap broke out....So i do harbor ill will....The fact that they tried to bribe me to roll over on you should piss you off as well. Also roger rose had a knife to ken huffmans throat according to police reports....i tried to talk to rogey boy after I dropped charges on him, but the sad sack of crap would not talk to me....I hear he has been telling family members a very watered down version of what happened that night.....Too bad there were five witnesses there( roger, you are so lucky that it was wimp night at my house..)
spider: It is pretty much established that nobody knows anything about who was the last to have randy's keys(if anybody).....and that little blurb in the play stating that a person would STILL have them seems really farfetched.
what amazes me is that detective dawn weston only got fired for releasing the police reports.....her and martin should of done federal time.....which begs a question....Are the police reports even valid evidence anymore? Not that i care, but it is an interesting notion.
rednekbuddha (Kelly Powell) says…
Way early on in this thread, blue collar pirate stated that terry martin did a thurough job investigating.....Sorry, but that is crap.....All martin did was get three innocent people thrown in jail for a weekend and helped cement the satanic drug cartel theory into urban legend.
Spider (anonymous) says…
I hope not, smalltowngirl. I have a feeling things will come to a head soon. Let's see this thing to the end. We have made progress, and maybe an end is in sight. Public discourse is good for revealing truth (at least sometimes). Rob has bravely stuck his neck out. We need to show support. Come on people!
The truth is out there.
rednekbuddha (Kelly Powell) says…
spider: Do you really think there will be a breakthrough? not to be too cynical, but I really doubt there will be anyground breaking info coming from this conversation.....So far, other then rob and me, it has been the same old same old.....And our info has been verbally spoken a hundred times.
rednekbuddha (Kelly Powell) says…
I hear crickets......prepare for an ambush.
Spider (anonymous) says…
Yes, Kelly, I think things will come to a head soon. You and Rob want the same thing everyone else involved in this case do--the truth. The truth will set you free--who said that? Maybe I am naive, but I really believe that.
Spider (anonymous) says…
Please contact me, Kelly or Rob. It is very important.
yammytam (anonymous) says…
wow i see this place has been very busy in my absence
yammytam (anonymous) says…
Hey Rob and Kelly did you know Derrek McCollum sp? is a cop in KCMO now
rednekbuddha (Kelly Powell) says…
yeah, i heard that.....I'll reserve judgement and assume he grew a brain somewhere along the way.
Rob.....Obviously i was right about an ambush.....contact me before you give a list of demands , so we can be on the same page....no negotiations and no haggling.....All or nothing brother........
KUDRAMA (anonymous) says…
Have you two come to an agreement on your list yet?
Spider (anonymous) says…
We can get an end to all this drama. In the Rodney King tradition, if everyone could just get together and talk, they could find a solution to all of this. We must try to understand each other. Kelly, you could reach relative peace if you could meet with Harold and Alberta and know why they feel the way they do, and Harold and Alberta can know why you feel the way you do by knowing what you have been through. I think they have no idea. THey are good people. Trust me.
I feel it is time to get together and talk.
People need to get together and talk. I know the Leaches, and I have grown to love them. They are very sweet people who have lost their onlly child. I have also gotten to know Rob and others who have been dragged into this mess, and I have confidence he and Kelly had nothing to do with Randy's disapearance. It is sad to me that this thing has seemingly ruined innocent people's lives.
I am at a point in my life where I can blame no one for how my life has turned out. But there are people who should not say the same. Rob and Kelly are both very intelligent people who can change their lives if they want to at this point.
I hope you can meet with the Leaches and reach an understanding. Maybe it is not too late to find out what really happened to Randy. Whatever that is, Alberta and Harold want to know. It is a parent thing. I totally understand.
I think a very important thing is to find out what happened to other people involved in this, and to try to save them. I guess you could call me a freak.
rednekbuddha (Kelly Powell) says…
This is the first time we have had a public forum on this issue, and to me this has been long overdue.....what strikes me as odd is now harold and his wife want to have a sit down with rob and me...If i was a paranoid person, I would be pondering why now? i have never claimed that this has ruined my life....That would be whining and while it would be typical in this day and age to explain away my myriad fck ups and poor decisions on anything but myself.... i refuse to play that game. What i have been trying to point out is the double standard that has been prevalent all these years and how people with a witch hunt mentality feel justified in either commiting or condoning illegal and dishonorable actions...if they thought they could get away with it, they would of tied me and rob down and tortured us ....so i hope i have misread this, because i am confused on what you mean by us changing our lives ...first, you know nothing about our lives other then what you have read here or asked of our friend joe baldwin and others...Secondly , what do you mean settle things in the rodney king tradition? does not that involve a viscous beating with clubs? and thirdly,while i would consider having a sit down with them, i believe it is quite evident how and why they feel....And as for relative peace.....i dare anybody to find one scrap of evidence or even rumor that i or rob have ever once broke the peace with the leach family or any of the idiots who told the cops false statements.
as I stated earlier, this is the first time we have had a public voice on this.......And i admit i allowed venom to tinge some of my responses.....but that in no way alters the truth of my words or the validity of trying to break the cycle of another witch hunt. so , quite frankly, This open forum has and is doing me, rob, and the case more good then anything else that has happened in the last 18 years.Harold and alberta have had much to say and numerous opportunitys to say it...And rightly so....now it is rob and mines turn......and while some may not like what we have to say, you cannot doubt that we are being more fair and honest then what was thrown at us.
Spider (anonymous) says…
What I meant by the Rodney King thing is trying to end this with a group hug, so to speak--you know, his famous "Why can't we all just get along?" While I said it has ruined your lives, what I meant was that it has dogged you all of your lives. Everything I have heard about you is that you are very intelligent, even brilliant. I can tell that by the wording in your postings, as well as what various people have told me about you.
What you have said has certainly altered my views on the incident--100 percent. I now have a greater understanding of the feelings of other people involved.
True, this blog has brought us closer to the truth.
I got caught up in this because I wanted to help the Leaches find out what happened to Randy. I know too well what it feels like to have a child go missing. I am sure you know by now that my daughter disappeared for two weeks when she was near Randy's age. It was pure hell for me.
Ask Joe what kind of a person I am. At this point, all I want is for this thing to end. I want the pain the Leaches are feeling to be eased. I want them to know that you and Rob had nothing to do with Randy being gone. I want you and Rob to finally find peace and stop being harassed by the cops.
rednekbuddha (Kelly Powell) says…
thank you for clarifying.....
yammytam (anonymous) says…
my aunt used to live with donavon mcleary and she said he used to have nightmares and said things has anyone ever questioned him i wonder
Spider (anonymous) says…
Nightmares about what? Can you be more specific? What things did he say?
Spider (anonymous) says…
When people have accused me of pessimism, I tell them that it is realism, not pessimism. However, a little optimism now and then can't hurt, Rob. It is sometimes called hope, which is never a bad thing. Sometimes hope is the only thing that sustains a person. I know this from personal experience for too many reasons.
I also believe in giving people a second chance and/or the benefit of the doubt. I have learned this lesson the hard way several times when I have judged people without waiting to hear the whole story (I think you know what I mean there, at least in one instance).
Yes, we are talking about cops. But they are like anyone else. There are good cops and bad cops. LV Co. seemed to have had more than its share of bad cops in the past, but hey, you never know.
yammytam (anonymous) says…
I dont know what the nightmares were (I wasnt the one sleeping with him) and I dont know what he said cause he didnt say them to me but my aunt said that she thinks he knows something I know he didnt do it hes just not that kind of person but she seems to think he knows who might have now this is all hearsay through 3rd parties so I dont know if this is truth or fiction just thought id pass it along
rednekbuddha (Kelly Powell) says…
WOW....that was really confusing, trying to read that last comment. Tammy, I know you are trying to help....But that was kind of what I am talking about when I say witch hunt mentality.....In one sentence you gave personable deniability to your self for thinking it, yet you still implicated Donovan.I'm not trying to hurt your feelings, but maybe you should of thought twice before posting this.
Spider (anonymous) says…
Kelly, I wish to apologize for my past insensitivities. I had no idea what you have been through. Now, I understand. If I had been through what you have been through, I would have been very bitter indeed.
I would hope I would not be bitter against someone who lost their child in your situation. But I am not in your situation, and I should not even try to judge you.
You have every right to be bitter against all the cops who harassed you and threatened you through the years. I know it has gone way beyond harassment. You have had guns pointed at your head more than once. If the police harassing you had instead done their jobs right, maybe this story would have an end. The right people would have been questioned.
Instead, a lot of years have gone by, totally wasted, while the Keystone Cops have been bumping heads and getting no closer to the truth. No closer, but a lot farther. But the truth is out there. It is up to others to find it.
smalltowngirl26 (anonymous) says…
Anyone know why all Rob's comments have been deleted?
rednekbuddha (Kelly Powell) says…
that's weird...they were here last night even after you posted.....
rednekbuddha (Kelly Powell) says…
And rob says he never asked for them to be deleted....this has to be a glitch, because usually they still show the posters' name where a comment was deleted.
smalltowngirl26 (anonymous) says…
did you forward my email to him?
smalltowngirl26 (anonymous) says…
It seems like his account has been deleted, b/c when I try to reply to him it just says page does not exsist.
rednekbuddha (Kelly Powell) says…
he called me this morning and said his computer still is showing it....hmmm
rednekbuddha (Kelly Powell) says…
even if his account was deleted...would not his psast comments still be here?
smalltowngirl26 (anonymous) says…
I don't know but it is strange. Especially that you could see the comments after I posted that they were gone and he can still see them. Has he tried posting since?
yammytam (anonymous) says…
I wasnt trying to implicate him but if he knows something he should step forward.Even if its something minor to him it could mean something to someone else.My aunt said he would say things then clam up and he often had nightmares.The only thing she would tell me is that there is a field by a house that sits just northeast of the old bridge and that someone should check into that.And you didnt hurt my feelings I am just sharing what I know and what I have heard over the years.I knew Donavon very well at one time we even lived together when he was dating my other aunt who was killed by drunk drivers.I know that he is not capable of murder.And if I knew how to get ahold of him I would call him and ask him about these things that my aunt said.But I dont know where he is
anyways everyone enjoying our little ice storm??
Spider (anonymous) says…
What the heck is going on? What happened to Rob?
yammytam (anonymous) says…
maybe the police took it
Spider (anonymous) says…
If they knew Rob, they wouldn't do that. He is a patriotic man who served his country in the Army for over ten years. He is not the same person he was when he in the teenage rebellion years of his youth. He has integrity, and he just wants the truth, like the rest of us.
Please reinstate Rob, JW. He can help, and he wants to.
Spider (anonymous) says…
Kelly, I would really like to hear from you. If you want to speak with me, please ask Rob for my email address. I have made a complete turnaround in this case. I would like to see justice for you. I would like to apologize for the pain this has caused you. I really want to hear from you. As I have said, ask Joe or Rob what they think of me.
I am friends with Harold and Alberta. But I am also friends with the truth. I want to see justice for everyone. I know that you have been shat upon many times in the past. I would really like that to end. As with others, I want communication and as much of an end as possible to this whole thing.
I know that you are a good guy. I have heard that from several people whom I trust.
Please trust me. My sister and I got into this in the first place to find out what happened to Randy for the Leaches. We planned to write a book, and the book keeps changing. If we can find out what happened to Randy without writing a book, I will be very glad.
I am an honorable person. Unlike many people you have encountered, you can trust me.
Spider (anonymous) says…
At the risk of being kicked off like Rob did, I ask the question: Why did Rob get deleted from the blog? Journal World, will you provide the answer? Did "someone" demand it, and why? Getting too close to the truth? And why aren't you answering Rob's emails and phone messages?
I thought this was a free country where you are allowed to express your opinion. Who is trying to suppress that? We have to ask ourselves why.
Rob served our country for many years, defending our rights. Now, it is time we stood up for him.
People on the blog--if I get deleted like Rob did, please stand up for your rights and his. This is a free country. Remember that. Ask yourselves and the LV police why that happened.
Be very careful. The truth is out there.
smalltowngirl26 (anonymous) says…
I don't remember him writing anything controversial - he just told LV he wants his crap back.
Tracker416 (anonymous) says…
I have followed this conversation for some time but find it real hard not to comment. I know Kelly and Rob also as I spoke to them years ago. And I suspect they are upstanding gentlemen. What I can't understand is you Spider saying you know Rob is patriotic and Kelly is a good man. When you started commenting here you were right into their case. But now you are wanting to be their friend....Let me tell you they are also very wise people and can see right thru your words. If fact you posted it here by saying you want to write a book. You are also good friends with Harold & Alberta and I assume you have talked to them about their side which as you surely saw if you attended the show, they have numerous theories. It appears small info was heard and it soon become absolute evidence and that is why Kelly and Rob are involved. If you continually attempt to get your "book" info this way, your book will turn out like the play did. .....Remember; if you stand outside the forest and listen, you can hear the wind blowing thru the trees......*
Spider (anonymous) says…
Well, Tracker, I have some news for you. I have been emailing Rob, and I have met with him personally for several hours (yes, in person). I do know him to be an upstanding person. If you know him like you say, ask him about me. Also, you probably know Joe Baldwin, a good friend of both of them. I work with Joe. Ask him about me. I am just a person who wants to know the truth. As far as the book goes, I wanted to write it initially to help shed some truth on this whole thing. If we can do this without me having to write a book, I welcome that. It is a lot of work to write a book. I work at least 50 hours a week at my regular job, and I don't have much spare time.
I have become friends with the Leaches. They are good, sweet people who have lost their only child. They just want to know what happened to him. I want to help them do that. The book was just a way to do that, or so I thought. I have written another book, and I did not make any money from that. In fact, I lost a lot. But I felt like it was my duty to write that book.
I know Rob is patriotic because I know he served his country for more than ten years. Joe has told me Kelly is a good man who has been hurt by this whole thing. I had no idea about all the crap that Rob and Kelly have had to deal with concerning this until I talked to Rob at the home of the Leaches. Yes, Tracker, Rob met with me and the Leaches for over four hours to talk and clear the air. I was very impressed with Rob.
I don't want to "be their friend." I just want them to get a fair shake. As I have said before, I have made a complete turnaround. I am ashamed that I had been willing to judge without knowing all the facts.
It is no fun writing a book. The end for this book may never come. All I want is for the Leaches to find out what happened to their son, and for the innocent people who got sucked up in this to be finally left alone.
If youi do indeed know Rob, ask him about me. He has my email address, and I will gladly speak to you if you want.
I know a lot of years have passed since Randy disappeared (or whatever). People have changed. Please understand: The book is periferal to this whole thing. I hope I don't have to write it to get to the truth.
I appreciate your input, but you got me wrong. I don't know Rob well, but I know him better than you think. Not everything is as it seems. If Rob weren't banned from this blog, he would no doubt agree with me.
After talking at length with Rob, Harold and Alberta have changed their minds about him. They saw what a good man he is, and how he and Kelly have been wronged. I don't know if you are a parent, but if you are, please consider how you would feel if your child disappeared off the face of the Earth. I know how that feels, because it happened to me.
If you want to speak to me via email or phone, let me know. Communication is very important.
Spider (anonymous) says…
Thanks, innocuous, for your response. It is appreciated. Anyone who would like to email me about this is welcome. I am somewhat amazed that this blog has lasted as long as it has. The Journal World has changed a quite a bit in the last few years. A few years back, a blog such as this would have never survived as long as it has. I have to give them credit for that. I think they want to get to the bottom of this as much as most of us do, but they have certain considerations the rest of us do not.
I was under the impression that blogs such as this are free from lawsuits about slander and such--Am I wrong about that? Blogs such as this are for people to freely express opinions without such fears.
The Journal World need not fear such things. The blog is just a forum for opinions.
I am happy to see so many people involved in this and trying to help the Leaches find out what happened to their son.
I feel like I have connected with some of the people and even sorta made friends with them. There are a lot of people who care about other people they don't even know.
At the risk of sounding sappy, I really do think people are good at heart and care about each other. When my daughter disappeared, many people reached out and embrased me. I wonder how I would have survived without them.
I hope we can do the same for the Leaches.
mykeeshond (anonymous) says…
People following this blog might want to know that "Leaves of Words," the play by Tim Macy which started this whole discussion, is going to have a benefit performance at 7:30 PM on Saturday January 20, 2007 at the Lawrence Arts Center....People who missed the play last October, or who might want to see it again, will have one more chance to do so....After this, the production travels to Ames, Iowa, where it will have two performances at Ames City Auditorium, 10 AM and 2 PM, on Wednesday January 24 as part of the Kennedy Center American College Theatre Festival.
rednekbuddha (Kelly Powell) says…
Hence, spreading the urban myth.
Spider (anonymous) says…
Kelly. please call me. We should talk. My phone number is in the book. My cell phone number is 764=0864.
Spider (anonymous) says…
Communication is very important. At the risk of this sounding like a Spider blog, I will once again try to relay that point.
Kelly, I know you have been hurt by all this Randy stuff. I know you have been shat upon. I know your rights have been compromised by a police force that has tried to do right, but has in the process done wrong. I know that a lot of s**t has gone down that never should have.
Harold and Alberta want to talk to you. They only want to know what happened to Randy. Please forgive what you can about all the s**t that has happened to you and try and help them find out what happened to Randy.
Please contact Harold Leach. Harold wants to do right by you.
I know I can never feel what has happened to you until I walk in your shoes. I can understand if you do not want to talk to them, but I hope you will. I think it will help you AND them. Maybe not, but I hope so
You can feel what you want about me. You can feel I am a bitch who wants to write a book and make some money. But you are wrong if you think that. I only want the Leaches to find out what happened to Randy. Nothing more.
pagan_idolator (anonymous) says…
Why do the Leaches still think Kelly can give them any answers? He has stated numerous times he does not know.
Spider (anonymous) says…
They are hoping he can perhaps provide them with something. After all these years, they have not given up hope that maybe even the most seemingly insignificant detail that anyone who was at the party can remember may help find the answer. You have a good point, though. Talking to Kelly may not help anything, but it could move things along in the right direction. Obviously this case has moved (or not moved) in the wrong direction these many years. It is far past time this case took on a different light that may resolve things once and for all.
If anyone reading this was at the party, or knows anyone who was at the party who may know even the smallest detail, please contact me or the Leaches.
what happened to randy and his car?
Rob_Marble (anonymous) says…
So.....they think I can be muzzled that easily...
Rob_Marble (anonymous) says…
Imagine waking up one day to find your posting have mysteriously disappeared with no explanation; not just individual comments but everything....kind've suspicious I'd say..
Rob_Marble (anonymous) says…
Tracker416, who are you? In your above posting you claim to know me. Please identify yourself to me, either here on the board or via email. I can be contacted at RobMarble@aol.com
Rob_Marble (anonymous) says…
Despite numerous attempts to contact the JW, I have been unable to find out why I was previously censored so completely. I've called various numbers at their office on more than a dozen occasions. Each time I was given the complete runaround and always wound up being funneled to a voicemail and asked to leave contact info. No calls were ever returned. I have sent at least 3x as many emails, same basic result. At least Terry Rombeck seemed to make an attempt at helping when I contacted him, but even that yielded no results. Complete stonewall. Anybody who has read my previous postings would agree that they were far less obnoxious of offensive than many on these blogs so it's unlikely it was due to any terms of service violations.
scott_zoeller (anonymous) says…
yet another year gone and still nothing. how f#cked up. i hope we can fine out something before it hits 20 years.
scott_zoeller (anonymous) says…
here it is 2007 all we want to know if what happened to r cousin. it has to be way more deeper than a few high school kids. this was something personal and i want to know what it was. im sure ill get cut off of here like rob cause i want to know the truth. i dont think it was rob, tammy or kelly what so ever who killed him.
Spider (anonymous) says…
We don't know that ANYONE "killed" Randy. We don't know what happened to him. We just know Randy and his car are missing. There should be some way we can use logic to figure this out.
There has to be a reason both Randy and his car are missing. If someone killed him, why would they make his car disappear, too? On the surface, that makes no sense.
How do you make a car disappear?
How do you make a body AND a car disappear?
There has to be a reasonable explanation for this.
I would like to see of the theories some of you may have.
Good to see you back, Rob!
scott_zoeller (anonymous) says…
i dont know u tell me, im one of the fam members who have been bangin there head aginst a wall for the last 18 years. since its been 18 years hes more than likely dead. since hes dead someone had to of killed him.
KUDRAMA (anonymous) says…
Good to see you back Rob, did Tracker416 ever respond to your request??
I would also recommend Mr. Zoeller discontinue "bangin" his head agaisnt the wall as it reflects in his writtings.
KUDRAMA (anonymous) says…
writings....
scott_zoeller (anonymous) says…
so am i goin to get another phone call from ya at work agin just wondering.
scott_zoeller (anonymous) says…
User profile: kudrama
Joined: Oct. 9, 2006
Comments posted: 45 (view all)
Contact kudrama (log-in required)
Occupation: Triple S (Secret squirrel society )
Location: Mary's bedroom(Scott Zoeller girlfriend
Hometown: Manhattan Ks
Biography: Just avarage Brad trying to help out where I can
Did you know you can add and edit your own profile?
man i just find this funny as hell thanks kudrama
KUDRAMA (anonymous) says…
Mr. Zoeller your pretty sharp! Why don't you email me at kugrad469@yahoo.com and leave this blog to finding your cousin.
scott_zoeller (anonymous) says…
ur the one who wants to drag me into this and ur the one whos goin to find out where my cousin is with out any help from any of us family members cause we dont know anything acordin to u!!!!!
KUDRAMA (anonymous) says…
Good to see you back Rob, did Tracker416 ever respond to your request??
scott_zoeller (anonymous) says…
Mr. Scott Zoeller November 10, 2006
100 S Pl apt # 6 Manhattan , Ks 66502
( 785)-???-????
Employment:
H Inc.
51 MurphyRd Manhattan, KS 66503
(785) ???-????
Supervisor: G
Scott, as I've stated in prior e-mails to you, I am not interested in going over again who I am or what I do, you can rest assure I wish you no harm. As stated previously I have one object to assist in locating Randy Leach. It is in your best interest not to attempt impeding my actions and or involvement in the case by emailing others involved I.E Kelly Powell or Robert Marble and Tammy. I know a lot more then you realize to include your other character. All I have ever asked from you is to discontinue the non productive post and think of productive questions to asked. You need to stop with threatening e-mails to myself as I do not have time for this interaction with you. While I was in the office today I attempted contact you at you place of employment to discuss the above however I was unsuccessful. And just so you know you have yet to upset me, as I feel you are nothing but talk when you're behind your keyboard at work and in your apt. So again I ask you to discontinue e-mailing this account.
Sincerely,
Brad H
i personaly find this kind of goin out of ur way to make me ur problem. i just want people to see what type of person u r to call me at work. say that ur screwin my girl on ur profile page. this just goes to show u what type of a man u realy r.
rednekbuddha (Kelly Powell) says…
This thread is officially dead..............
Rob_Marble (anonymous) says…
Scott, thank you for stating you don't believe I'm responsible for Randy's disappearance- after 18 years of accusations from the people of lv. county it's good to see someone not blinded by the crap...
Rob_Marble (anonymous) says…
Thanks Brad; it's good to be back...hopefully my postings will not be given the Houding treatment this time....No, Tracker416 has failed to identify himself to me.
Rob_Marble (anonymous) says…
Houdini*
yammytam (anonymous) says…
hey rob and kelly do you know who shaag is aka steve
shaag (Steve Haag) says…
steve haag
Rob_Marble (anonymous) says…
I hadn't seen any posting by him
shaag (Steve Haag) says…
?? shaag is steve haag - I just found this thread a few days ago - its been a long time since I talked to anyone from LHS - you can email me at shaagtoo@sbcglobal.net
FYI: I am based out of Dallas these days. I emailed the KU prof that sponsored this play and requested a copy - he pointed me to Randy's parents.
smalltowngirl26 (anonymous) says…
i'm pretty sure they went on montel and talked to sylvia brown but that's the only one i've ever heard of.
KUDRAMA (anonymous) says…
Tweakin Topekan ,
21 psychics were used on this case to date. Most (12 psychics) thought Randy was dead (4 psychics) felt he was alive and (5 psychics) unsure. In a "nutshell"
Psychics
1. Dorothy Allison:
Nationally Know Psychic, Newark, NJ
Comments: Nothing Substantial
2. Lynn Gladhill:
Nationally Known Psychic, New Market, NH
Comments: She felt Randy was dead
3. Richard McLear:
Kansas City, MO Used in 1995
Comments: He said "something happened by house where the party was held. Car in a field. Randy was hit with a metal baton like a telescope. Martial arts.
4. Ester Hardin:
Kansas City, MO Used in 1995
Comments: Someone involved with Randy's disappearance plays basketball. A name Derek or Dana comes up.
5. Betty Johnson:
Kansas City leading psychic, Independence, MO
Comments: She thought he was dead
6. Joyce Morgan:
A renowned Psychic, Kansas city, MO
Comments: Randy killed and buried.
7. Patricia Mischell:
Cincinnati, OH Used in 1995
Comments: Drugged hit in head killed. Car dumped in water.
8. Mae Clements:
Leavenworth, KS
Comments: She said Randy was killed!
9. Greta Alexander:
Nationally know Psychic, Delavan, IL Used in 1989 and 1995
Comments: She told us in 1989 on the phone that Randy was Alive! In 1995 we were on Jerry Springer and she said he was dead.
10. Thomas Dendy:
Texas City, TX
Comments: He couldn't come up with anything.
11. Carol Dawn:
Lee's Summit, MO Used her in 1996
Comments: She said "you need to look for a common thread".
She pointed out one for Randy's classmates in a class photo!
KUDRAMA (anonymous) says…
12. Monique Scofield:
Ward Parkway, Kansas City, MO Used in 1996
Comments: She felt Randy was alive
13. Rollie Pitzer:
Derby, KS Does Life Regressions
Comments: Through regressions felt Randy was still alive.
14. Dennis Hocket:
Lawrence, KS Used in 1988
Comments: Thought Randy was fatally shot in the head Is around a quarry A strong letter "P" in the name of the killer.
15. Elyse & Sharon Wolverton:
Sisters from KC MO in 1993
Comments: Said Randy was buried near a cave They came up
With Dungeons and Dragons Someone involved related to
Police She sees evil Not Cult _ kids Randy's own age.
16. Bill Ward:
Joliett, IL Used in 1990
Comments: Thought Randy was alive.
17. Birte Norris:
Independence, MO
Comments: She thought Randy was dead
18. Arlene Shovald:
Salida, CO Used in 1989
Comments: She thought Randy was dead
19. John Catchings:
Dallas, TX Used in 1992
Comments: Overdosed at Party Lady from party had people take Randy and put him and Vehicle in water.
20. Noreen Renier:
Maitland, FL Nationally Known Psychis
Taught at FBI Acade
my in Florida
Comments: She said Randy was dead and buried nearby!
21. Helen Smith:
Topeka, KS
Comments: She felt that Randy was still alive.
RonaldWilson (anonymous) says…
Does anyone know exactly where the party took place? I've read it was in Bonner, I read it was in Linwood. Where was the Erwin place? What road was it on?
Just wondering. I was a senior at Piper when Randy went missing. I knew folks from Bonner and Basehor, but no one really from the 'wood.
Rob_Marble1 (anonymous) says…
Good news to report, people: Common sense has prevailed to some extent. I've received notification from leavenworth co. s.d. that they are now willing to return to me the items confiscated back in '88. I've been critical of that organization's conduct & professionalism in the past (justifiably so). Now it appears some things can change, so in fairness I must say congratulations to sheriff dave zoellner for bringing some much needed change to that departments method of doing business. Along with the notification that the items would be return, the letter also stated they were "of no evidentiary value", which I take as long awaited vindication....
cschott (anonymous) says…
Tammy, please get hold of me again.
Cindy
cschott (anonymous) says…
Okay. It's been 20 years. Does anyone give a crap about Randy or his family?
Is it the same situation where no one knows anything? Is this Skidmore, Missouri?
RobertMarble (anonymous) says…
obviously......this particular blog wouldn't exist otherwise.
RobertMarble (anonymous) says…
oh by the way....the guy posting as "tracker416" or something like that is a fake. In his entries he has claimed to "know" Kelly & I. I've asked him to identify himself to me yet he has failed to do so. That's been one of the fundamental aspects of this case which has derailed it from the beginning: people claiming to "know" me, Kelly, Randy, etc.....
RobertMarble (anonymous) says…
The Leav. sheriff's dept. did finally return the illegally confiscated items during my last visit to the region. This is a major departure from their normally illegal & unproffesional methods of operation. I applaud this decision by the new sheriff, dave zoelner. It is reassuring to see that he is making positive changes to the organization. In addition to being illegally confiscated, the property was unlawfully held for 20 years. I also want to thank the 'people' of Lv. county for finally electing a sheriff this time around, instead of the corrupt dirtbags who have held the office for the past 20+ years; it's about time. Not all items were returned however. For some reason the satanic bible was not returned, I didn't have time during my last visit to pursue the issue. I will follow up next time.
RobertMarble (anonymous) says…
what all this comes down to....
cschott (anonymous) says…
to... what?
RobertMarble (anonymous) says…
exactly.
cschott (anonymous) says…
you suggest so much with so little.
rednekbuddha (Kelly Powell) says…
Leave em hanging rob!
scott_zoeller (anonymous) says…
if you guys have something useful to say, say it. if not shut the f*ck up and move on with your lifes. next month it will be 20 years and all you guys have done is waste our f-in time. can you at least do this for us the family.
RobertMarble (anonymous) says…
zoeller, shut the f*ck up yourself. Some oddball distant cousin such as yourself has zero authority here to determine who can/ can't post, or to dictate content. Useful? We're actually involved in this farce of a case, unlike you. I've gotten dragged through the mud for decades because of this; I'll post what I want, when I want. Since I have been forced into this fiasco since day one, I've actually got a stake in the situation. And signifficant contributions. Unlike you. Yet you accuse others of "wasting time". You're a perfect example of one of the major problems with this case- some peon who wants to feel important by shooting off their mouth. Obviously you are the waste of time, kid. Still think you've got anything to say about it? Then grow some cojones and confront me with it face to face when I'm in town. That'd be more than any of you locals has ever managed in the past.
RobertMarble (anonymous) says…
You've perfectly illustrated the pathetic irony of this entire situation zoeller. You tell me to say something useful, yet for the past 20 fkkn years I've been one of the only 3 people who have said anything accurate or useful. Apparently you need to read up on the chain of events since Randy disappeared. Maybe you should've at least watched the play, at a minimum it would have illuminated you to a simple fact: Every single individual who made a report to law enforcement gave bogus information. Some lied. Some imagined crap. Some were just complete idiots. But, as I was beginning to say a few posts above, is what all this comes down to.......
RobertMarble (anonymous) says…
...Is this case was first and foremost derailed because of all the inbreeders from linwood who weren't mentally capable of providing accurate, clear, concise reports to law enforcement personnel. It was screwed from square one thanks to the locals. Every person who gave a report not based on fact, but on conjecture, opinion, rumor, etc, is responsible for Randy never being found. Everyone who even allowed themselves to listen to the rumors...and they all did that, plus pass them on. Which fueled more speculation and misinformation. All because the malicious small town rubes never had a better opportunity to feel important. Unlike them, Kelly and I have both provided accurate information- since day one. Repeatedly. We've fully cooperated with the investigation. From what i've been able to determine is that we're the only ones who have provided anything useful. I don't recall any useful contributions from you, son. So maybe you'd better pull your head out of your a** & try to do something other than playing the arrogant cousin routine. buck up, sport.
scott_zoeller (anonymous) says…
your still wasteing my f-in time. you dont have anything usefull to the case. you didnt do it so move the f*ck on. sorry you got draged into this, but get over it and move on wtih your life. this post has been up for about a year and half now and still we havent came up with were my cousin is. its getting old.
rednekbuddha (Kelly Powell) says…
Wasting time? Your the one on your knees in front of this collumn like a crack head bartering for another hit....Who is wasting time? last post I have seen from anybody has been months and months ago......until now of course.....as Rob said buck up sport!
scott_zoeller (anonymous) says…
one final and last time from all of you guys did you kill randy yes or no? do you know who killed randy yes or no? do you know where randys body is yes or no? if you dont know the answer to these questions then your useless to us. your not telling us anything that we dont alreay know. it has been 20 years and your still b*tching about how you have been draged thru the ringer. if your inocent move on. get on with your lifes stop wasting you time on a dumb a$$ blog.
RobertMarble (anonymous) says…
No, zoeller- you're wasting your own time. As far as "getting over it", WOW! What a great plan, Einstein. Unfortunately that doesn't appear to be an option since this mess flares up on a semi-regular basis. The minute I've put it out of my mind is usually when i wind up getting called back in for interrogation (again), or open the newspaper to see my name, or some jacka** is writing a play, etc. So why don't you get over, hick. It's not as if you & Randy were close (knowing Randy, there's no doubt in my mind he wouldn't have associated with such a jerkoff)....your sniveling that this post has been up for so long yet yielded no results- what a convenient outlet for your frustration. Were you operating under the misconception that this play or posting would be the magic bullet that provided solutions to every question? Again, pull your head out've your a** & try to get realistic. You feign such concern for your cousin, yet what have you done to help? nada.....Had you been a true family member you could have potentially known if he was having problems or planning to leave, or if he was being threatened by someone. And now you expect this post to suddenly produce answers to you questions? The solution isn't going to just fall into your lap while you sit there scratching yourself while sitting in front of the keyboard reading about nascar or wrestling, or whatever crap you do. What's "getting old" as you say is the non-thinking mouth breathers (such as yourself) who do nothing but use this case as a forumn to express your need for public attention & air frustration over your obvious genetic shortcomings. Man-up & shut-up, kid. You were way out've line with that posting so you needed to be slapped down. It's over with now so get over it. Acting like a nasty redneck prick when you get miffed isn't productive in any sense. Since Kelly & I have provided the only solid information at all in this case, we've done far more to help foster a solution than your barely coherent ramblings. If you need to feel important, go do something beneficial. Why don't you hire an investigator? Or will that cut into your meth fund?? Probably too stressful; just sit there at your keyboard, continue to spout idiocy, and have another beer, bubba. What's another lost decade anyway?
scott_zoeller (anonymous) says…
so since you dont know anything let it go, move on.
RobertMarble (anonymous) says…
...and as far as your knocking this post because it hasn't solved all the world's problems, maybe you should think twice on that (or simply think, period). While it hasn't conjured Randy, it has netted several positive results. It has raised awareness considerably; the fact of there being over 400 postings should be a big enough clue for even you zoeller. It has also allowed many out there to get a much clearer idea of the actual chain of events subsequent to his disappearnce. Hopefully it's educated a few people as to HOW & WHY the investigation was so badly derailed by not only the incompetence of the sheriff's dept of that era, but also by the rumor mongering & lies of the rabble from the area (such as yourself). And it has finally allowed those of us who've been railroaded by this to publicly air our side of the story, something which has never been allowed. So if you can't recognize the positive aspects you're either not trying very hard or you're just looking for an excuse to display your mental flatulence. Now shaddup, scott. You've wasted enough of our time. I'm sure you can find a better use of your time; go clean up your trailer or something.
rednekbuddha (Kelly Powell) says…
Hey jackass, maybe if I came over to your house and did what roger rose did to me you would catch a clue......But since I'm not that kind of a guy, all I can say is If you ever see me, just keep walking....Because you have used up what little patience I have left with your family.
scott_zoeller (anonymous) says…
you guy have made alot of people realize that you have had nothing to do with him disapearing. the prob is us cousin just want to know where our cousin is, so we can have a proper burial for him so we can have a little bit of closeure. when i say you guys are wasteing our time its cause you dont know anything else. we have everything we need from you. know what i mean or am i talking to white trash for you guys.
scott_zoeller (anonymous) says…
my cousin roger is a pile of sh#t for doing to you guys. my family has f-ed with ya'll a ton. me and a few other of my cousins (who were to young at the time) just want to know what happend to him. since you guys dont know anyting your not helpfull to us. thats why i say you guys are just wasteing are time.
KUDRAMA (anonymous) says…
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Puggy (anonymous) says…
Okay, I have to ask, is this just a viral marketing campaign for the play? Seriously.
Puggy (anonymous) says…
I am from Topeka, and I have always said that the truly gifted and creative talent always flees the artistic void that is Topuka...I guess I was right, this is a genius marketing campaign, Tim Macy!
Puggy (anonymous) says…
Oh, i guess it is old, but it is still a genius marketing campaign, don't you think?
rednekbuddha (Kelly Powell) says…
The original intent of my comments was my concern over if there was going to be any actual names in the pllay....And to voice concern that people would use what is said to be fiction as a springboard for more Nancy Drew armchair sleuthing....While no names were used, the latter did happen in spades.
cschott (anonymous) says…
I know that Rob has been a gentleman about this case. He had the consideration to meet with the Leaches about a year ago. It was a good meeting. Plus, correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe Rob and Kelly both had polygraphs and passed years ago.
Cindy
RobertMarble (anonymous) says…
Thank you for the positive words Cindy. Yes, I met with Randy's parents awhile back. It was something I wish I had done years ago. It was a very positive experience. After all the rumors and accusations by the local community I'm sure they had no idea what to believe about me. We were able to clear the air quite well. They illuminated me on numerous aspects of the case of which I was not previously aware. They are very good people who have been screwed over by both the sheriff's dept. and the local "people". I did take the polygraph test early on in the investigation. Unfortunately I did fail the polygraph. Consequently I suddenly realized how unreliable that particular pseudo-science is. To all, if you are ever in a position where you are asked to take one- refuse!!! Polygraphs are as reliable as the above mentioned "psychics". Fortunately they cannot be used as a basis for prosecution. However, failing one only fuels rumors and speculation, and in my case contributed to decades of abuses & harrassment. Flipping a coin yields more reliable results than polygraphs.
RobertMarble (anonymous) says…
Conversly, Kelly passed his polygraph. Yet this did nothing to dispel the sheriff's (or the communitie's) fixation with the idea that Kelly & I were the culprits. go figure.
cschott (anonymous) says…
Since they were too incompetent to find the real reason Randy disappeared, they needed someone at whom they could point their fingers.
Yeah, I've heard that if you tend to be a nervous sort, like me, you shouldn't take a polygraph test. It should say something that you took the test. You didn't HAVE to.
Cindy
sunshiine517 (anonymous) says…
Kelly Powell,you whine & cry way to much,it seem's like it's all about what was done to you & poor me,me ,me.Grow the F*ck up and act like a dam man,maybe one day when one of your children or family member's leaves the house for a few hour's & falls off the face of the earth,then & only then will you understand what you would find yourself doing & how desperate you'll become because the police can't help you.So what some drug addict pulled a gun on you,you should feel lucky that you didn't go to a party one night & you disappeared forever.You bit*ch & cry more than a woman with cramps getting her period,I've started skipping your post because you sound so deranged in them.Are you always this happy,I bet when people see you they duck & hide or avoid your phone calls.Please take a good look in the mirror & look at how ugly you make yourself sound.- Eliz
sunshiine517 (anonymous) says…
Kelly,I take that back I had to go back and read some of your comments and I have to say that I think that you like all the attention that you have gotten and are getting from it all.Most of this board has become about you and what you have to say even though you aren't saying much.It has made you someone,someone with an identity,people know who you are now,people talk about you now.Some are scared of you and even fear you,your suppose to be one bad dude someone not to mess with.This tragedy seem's to of gave you an identity in this small town,and if a person reads between the line's they just might see that.Where are the other's that were in the same boat as you and all the hell that you've been through with them? How come they don't have massive post on here,one or two post is fine but you look like you went to the extreme on it with your angry words trying to justify your angry life.You don't see them posting over and over,yes maybe you have been through a little something and I do mean little, but now everyone knows who you are.Admit it you love this stuff,it seem's like you have your own litle fan club here where you go on once a day and do your Q&A?
sunshiine517 (anonymous) says…
Police should of tried checking all chop shop's with in a 100 miles from where disappearance occurred back then, also for some time after monitor news paper's for part's being sold for like wise car. There was something mentioned about a body of water, after all you can only hide a car in so many places. I remember reading about an old crime years ago where a young female & her car disappeared, both found years later buried in the killer's yard, the police could never figure out how he did it because the killer never had any earth moving machine's on his land. Point is, anything is possible.
RobertMarble (anonymous) says…
wow...The last 3 morons who posted present such an easy target that it wouldn't seem sporting to give them the humiliating slapdown they're obviously begging for.....
RobertMarble (anonymous) says…
...So I'll keep it simple & factual. But I do need to clarify: by "last 3 morons" I'm actually referring only to beobachter & sunshiine517. sun's comment qualify her to be counted twice...
RobertMarble (anonymous) says…
"Where are the other's that were in the same boat as you and all the hell that you've been through with them? How come they don't have massive post on here".....ok sunny, that comment sums up your ability to comprehend the situation....I suggest you scroll up & have someone read the postings to you. Then realize what a jacka** you've just made of yourself.,..'nuff said on that.
RobertMarble (anonymous) says…
you're turn beob........."When will LJW dump this thread? Just a bunch of people hyping a 2 bit play. I for one am sick of it popping up with same mindless crap every few months. These people need to get a life."........first off, we're not hyping a play. Work on your reading skills bubba; the thread started because of the play but at some point it unexpectedly veered off into real life. But even better is you comment "I for one am sick of it popping up with same mindless crap every few months. These people need to get a life". This one truely defines your intellect. Just think: If this thread really does get your panties in such a knot, why do you subject yourself to it? Solely to give you something to whine about? That doesn't make any sense at all, Einstein. It's as if you're some slack jawed, drooling, inbred Linwoodian trying to file a witness statement with the sheriff dept. Truely comical. The fact that you profess to find something so repulsive, yet you continue to immerse yourself in it to the point that you are compelled to actually participate in it. With brainpower like that I'm sure you've locked yourself inside your car on at least 17 occasions. Maybe you should take your extra chromosome into consideration before attempting to speak in a public forum again.
sunshiine517 (anonymous) says…
Robert is your life that dull where you find this thread so important that your checking it all the time.When you don't like a comment you claim that it should be taken down.I just did post those comments and you are right on top of it.I was wrong this is not Kelly's q&r,this is roberts q&a board.Well I have wasted way to much time on you already but just wanted to state how pathetic of a person you must be to focus all your energy to your Q&A board.You sound like a very predictable person so I can imagine what your going to type next,I just want you to know your wasting your time.I will not be reading your post because your so dam easy to get a rise out of.On top of it your right,I am sure you had nothing to do with the disapperance you have been given way to much credit.Your to stupid by your behavior and actions just with this board alone.If your that focused on something like this, could you actually be capable of commiting a murder and have some control with your action's,you would never be able to let it go and have to state your opinion (kinda like now) in the end you would have to say I DID IT you must of been a little man in the shadow's your whole life and this give's you the attention that you crave.Over all I will be skipping further comments from you in the future or knowing you in about 5 seconds,your to childish to talk with,a kind of dish it out but can't take it person.
sunshiine517 (anonymous) says…
A bunch of kid's could not of pulled off the death of this kid (Randy), then disposing of the body and the car, while half of them were drinking, drunk or drugged up. Someone with a little power and a lot of smart's was involved to do all this and manage to keep it under wrap's for all these years, Who at that party had a relative in law enforcement (not saying the police were involved, just turning over rock's)? Who at the party had a parent or a relative that had some power in the community or surrounding area county's? The fact that nothing has ever come out is a miracle in it's self and to much credit is being given to a bunch of drunk and drugged up kids.If and I mean If there were some kid's there behind the death of Randy, then an adult was brought into this mess with the ability to make things happen and make things disappear and managed to keep all those involved quiet for the last 20 years.They had to be able to control the whole situation and anything that could of come up that would endanger them all at a moment's notice.Now not only are the one's they protecting involved but they are to at this point and this makes them desperate to keep thing's in check and to control everything and everyone, including the police.Who has this type of power and smart's? Could it be someone on law enforcement, is this why the investigation was so messed up and things were not done that should of been, or done to late or not done at all? Maybe it was an adult in another county that had a lot to loose, it's not uncommon for a parent to do anything to help there child out of a mess, only later realizing that they were in way to deep and everything had to be protected at all cost.No I just don't see a bunch of kids and a few adult's in there mid or late 20's pulling this thing off, unless it was fewer than 3 people and they had the resolve and will's of strength, maybe, just maybe if it was just kids involved than they had to of left some clue's or said something to someone or done something out of the ordinary to bring attention to there behavior. I could be wrong and probably am but I find it amazing that 20 year's has went by and there has not been a peep about anything other than what has already been said. I was pretty hard on Kelly in some of my earlier post, it's just that some of the things he said were insensitive, but Kelly like me has a right to say what he want's and how he want's to say it. I have the choice to not read his comment's If I do not want to, instead I put myself in his mind set and criticized what he had to say with my own immature angry comment's. **** 1st part *****
sunshiine517 (anonymous) says…
**** 2nd part ****Back to Randy's disappearance, I just find it incredible and extraordinary that this thing has been kept under wrap's for all these years. I do know that it is possible for a group of people to remain quiet for year's afterward's where a crime has been commited.Some one, somewhere had to of said something at sometime or another because they feel that they might of been a threat and they might of wanted to protect themselves.Is it true that I read about a couple that was found dead in there home, one of them was helping to gather information on Randy's disappearance? Later on the couple was found shot to death in what was called a murder suicide,come on,I don't know the detail's of what happened but it sounds just a little to convenient for my taste. Maybe they had gotten to close to what happened or maybe it was a warning to other's to stay the hell away. If the murder suicide of the couple don't make you think, then maybe the fire that burned the house to the ground where the party was held will. It make you wonder what is someone trying to hide and why? What are the odd's that out of all the houses in that town and where a crime might of took place,that right after Randy's goes missing the house burns down? I do know one thing,fire is an excellent way to get rid of evidence, not that this was the reason for the fire,but once again it's just way to convenient. Stand back and look at the big picture and you will see that anything that might of led to finding out what happened to Randy has been taken care of and eradicated,gone forever.This is just my opinion, but also something for other's to think about to, in no way am I accusing anyone of anything. I'm just stating how the fact are seen through my eye's and wondering if other's have seen the same thing through their's?
sunshiine517 (anonymous) says…
Robert,one more thing when I was talking to Kelly about where are all your friends that were going through the same thing,I saw your comments,how could someone not see them.I chose to not acknowledge you,you say alot but say nothing running on and on.I swear if I didn't know better I would think that you had been in prison at one time by the way you write and your style of writing.This post was to tell you that I wasn't so blind that you could be ignored,I just felt that Kelly played a bigger part in the matter and was more important for information than you were.This was the reason that I left you out in the first place,you just were not that important from what I read from the post and I felt that even though Kelly's comment's were angry,he's a better speaker and get's right to the point.He does not dron on and on with what he has to say but get's it out there.He also is brought up more but remains nameless in the paper but everyone know's it him.Even now if Kelly came back at me harsh I could choose to ignore his comments but I wouldn't.His aurgurments are more constructive with out alot of name calling.His anger is there but he still get's a sentence out and across,something that you can't seem to do with out a whole paragraph.
RobertMarble (anonymous) says…
"When you don't like a comment you claim that it should be taken down."..........wrong. I've never called for someone's post to be removed. Again, I urge to to reinforce your reading comprehension abilities. I challenge you to support this comment with proof; find a place where I've called for removal & paste it here. If you can't then quit yapping, Your credibility is on the line here sunny.
RobertMarble (anonymous) says…
"....is your life that dull where you find this thread so important that your checking it all the time.......I just did post those comments and you are right on top of it....." Perhaps I was premature in my previous comment; your credibility isn't on the line. That comment just cost you all credibility, So what if you "just posted" a comment. Please explain why you find it significant that I replied after yours? That's usually how it works for a reply, right? Are you sitting there with a stopwatch? Is there some time limit to replies? So I opened this page, read your drivel, and replied- perhaps it was 5 seconds after your posting, or 5 years. I still fail to see what bearing that has on anything. So this is the height of your reasoning ability? You've got problems, kiddo. You're truely linwood material.
RobertMarble (anonymous) says…
You've painted yourself into a corner with your own logic sun....to use your words, "I just did post those comments and you are right on top of it"....you somehow think this is a negative attribute and attempt to use it as an insult towards me- yet you do the exact thing you're whining about. Laughable.
RobertMarble (anonymous) says…
oh, and here's a hint for you sun. Don't get too caught up in posting times. I live a bit west of you. Consequently I'm two time zones away. Any more genius comments, or are you starting to get a picture of what a jacka** you've made of yourself?
The_Original_Bob (anonymous) says…
You two should get a room.
figure_it_out (anonymous) says…
marbles your last name fits you well,you sound as though you have marbles rolling around in your brain.do you always sound this mad or is this normal for you everyday?i have a brother in 5th grade and you and him act the same way and say the same things when something dont go your way.for real you need to learn some impulse control no wonder some have a low opinion of you look at how you sound and act.i guess im the bad guy now and your going to come at me with name calling and your other elementary school yard remarks..can't you tell from some of those post that there jerking your chain and you went for it-impluse control.you are only making yourself look like you can't handle jack.someone you dont even know who it is on the board gets under your skin and you trip what would happen in person to someone you did know that gets under your skin?you need to delete these post from your screen you have gotten way to in to it in a bad way and light.
RobertMarble (anonymous) says…
And yet another barely literate person starts to whine...you fit the type well "go figure it out"....The amusing thing is that people of limited intellect, such as yourself- can't recognize their own idiocy. You attempt to compare me to a 5th grader, yet you start your post with 5th grade level, feeble cheap shots at my name. Ironic, eh? Added to that is the fact you don't have the integrity to post under your own name. So all that indicates you have neither the brains nor the common sense to do anything other than continue to sound like an idiot. So keep yapping.
RobertMarble (anonymous) says…
You thought my post sounded angry? I'm starting to see a pattern here. Obvously reading comprehension problems are ravaging the trailer parks of Lawrence. If you'd scroll up and try again, you'd see that sunshiine's posts were the ones with angry tones. Mine were obviously sarcastic, with a certain amount if disdain added. I have made several "angry" sounding postings previously- with good cause. If you've got issues with it, tough luck kid. Go take your hurt feelings elsewhere. Now, if you had bothered to read the entirety of this thread, I doubt you'd be shooting your mouth off like you are. Try it, sport. You may learn something.
rednekbuddha (Kelly Powell) says…
Sunshine....I'll try to be brief.....You are correct....I did get a kick out of this.....For twenty years I've put up with this and finally got to get on a soap box....What you see as whining was a appeal to get a public apology from people who wronged me....From your perspectiveit may seem trivial, but to me and others who have dealt with this stuff it has done a number on us if we admit it or not......I do not try to blame this situation for screwing up my life, but truth be told it did not help it very much either.....I did not start this crap and I did not write about it until I heard this was going to be a play....So I say I was doing a pretty good job of "getting over it".....If I repeated myaself it was because people kept repeating theirselves and it does anger me when people who do not know anything about this topiceither poopoohs me or tells me I'm not telling the truth.....I will proudly say that rob marble and myself did our best to keep the facts straight to the best of our abilities for this long....Hell the cops pretty much told us the same thing...in fact one of them confessed why we kept getting called up was because of the consistency of our interviews.....this was a case of no good deed goes unpunished. It seems sir/madam that you tried to start a flame war with me and I'm sorry to dissappoint you....You think I'm a p*ssy for what I have said....That's your opinion.....I never tried to act like a badass, but I've never backed down from a fight either....If you think I tried to turn this into a "look at me" scenario, you are partially correct......Since this directly affected my life (up to death threats, home invasion and loss of jobs) I have to use "me" and "I" alot.....I also do not presume to talk for others....I'll defend them, and I believe you owe rob a apology....He, unlike myself was man enough to go and talk to the leach family, I went out of my way to not mess with them, and apon risk of repeating myself, dropped charges on their cousin/nephew(whichever), but I cannot find it in myself to speak to them civilly after all these years...ask my mom about the calls and literature sent to her house......He put up with more bullsh!t from the town then I did(he was a naitive son and I was that weirdo that moved in from lawrence) and he forgave more people then I could if I had been betrayed by someone(s) I grew up with since kindergarden....He is one of the true blue people in the world and I'd take him overthe entire town of linwood with eudora and desoto thrown in.
rednekbuddha (Kelly Powell) says…
You state what we went through was trivial.....Comparatively yes, I could see how it would seem trivial.....until it happens to you....The media has so desensitized the average newsreader to all the bad things that happen in the world I could see how you think this is nothing.....Truth be told, when this first happened the chain of events were so dammed farcical that Rob and myself could not help but laugh at it and the cops who bungled it (not the fact that randy dissapeared....but if you had been there you would know that his dissappearance and the comedy of errors that followed us were two seperate things)....Until it would not go away...imagine being stuck in a bad sit-com for years on end..I wonder sir/madam how well you would of handled it? I know you think probably pretty well....I assume you are over 25, but try to imagine this crap happening when you were 17/18 and continuing through you life until you are allmost 40? In all honesty you are speaking out of your a$$ when you tell us to grow up....The last time I ever publically said anything about this was in 98....To repeat myself, look up the kc star article and get a brainful of the crap that was happening.I'm sorry nobody else other then a few people who dealt with this did not post their opinions.....I'm sure many want to forget it....just as I'm sure many are embarresed by their action during this time. I honestly did not want this to be about me.....I did get carried away their for awhile(and admitted it)....I'll tell you what, to keep this from being a "look at me" conversation, agree to meet me somewhere public for a drink at let's look at each other eye to eye while we have a conversation....I strive to be a gentleman and like I said, never promoted myself as a badass....What do you say? Let's have a drink like twp civilized people and not post more crap here....agreed?
whatupdown (anonymous) says…
ODDS are something happened outside at the party, he was put in his trunk and driven to perry lake, followed of course. Odds are somebody knows and are afraid to come forward too. We are high tech now and I'd want special imaging of that lake, also lie detectors are too easy to beat. Remember this is etched in time. It would be time to come foreward. Slime is not to be feared.
rednekbuddha (Kelly Powell) says…
And what does that mean sir/madam? Slime is not to be feared... I'll be the first to naysay polygraph tests....But it's interesting how you spin that....isnt it just as easy to get a false negative? Like rob said, I passed mine and all it got me was more questioning and more requests to take more polygraphs.....while all the time the cops saying "but this one will clear your name"....which is what they said the first time. As for ODDS...what odds are those?can you put a number to that statement....It's vague crap like this which makes me jump up and reply....witch hunt mentality.
rednekbuddha (Kelly Powell) says…
One more thing...Sunshine...You talked about me gaining an identity through this concerning linwood....I have not stepped foot in that town in over ten years(and that was to get gas) Nor have i talked to anybody from that town who I had not kept in contact with since highschool....Also, you state that I really had little to say....1: I was concerning myself over a few things, and refused to be sidetracked...2: I do not need to air out more dirty laundry then I had to to make my point.....And that everything I talked about could be collaborated by others.....I tried real hard not to throw hearsay and conjecture out here....I leave that to all the arm chair detectives bravely going over the same old crap and coming up with the same old crap....If you knew how many times I have heard these theorys you would laugh at yourself when you tell me I repeat myself.
RobertMarble (anonymous) says…
Well stated, Kelly..yes this has degenerated into a flame war recently; time to get it back on track. This thread has proved very positive in several aspects. It's allowed open public discussion of the actual events of this case from the perspective of those who are actually involved & have been since day one. It's resulted in the de-bunking of numerous misconceptions, rumors, etc. And for the first time in 2 decades we've been able to publicly outline the root cause of the whole "satanic cult" hoax. That's more positive progress achieved in a few postings than 20 years of "investigation" by all the law enforcement agencies involved combined could produce. Reasonable thoughts, insights, or contributions are welcomed. Conspiracy theories, superstition, idiotic rumors, and pointless comments will be slapped down. Especially when they 1. are posted by someone with zero knowledge or connection to the case and 2. are posted by someone posting under a bogus name. If you're hiding your identity here it eliminates the potential to be taken seriously. sun, pointless insults fall into the latter category. As do outright fabrications. You've accused me of calling for removal of postings I didn't like- I've disputed that statement. You have yet to provide any evidence to the contrary. That's a prime example of an outright fabrication. Avoiding future occurrences of that type will be beneficial for all.
Buggie7 (anonymous) says…
Ok everytime there is something about this play written redneck is on here defending himself and saying that he was wronged and wants to move on, That he was staring down a gun and no one should have to go thru the harrassment. I agree with the above statement that says "at least you are still here" If you really want to move on then move on. Get off the LJW posting sites forget about the play and get a attorney that you can send police to if they come knocking on your door. If you are not a suspect or unless they have proof against you then you are obligated to say talk to the attorney that way you are not bothered with someones death (Im sure that must be so hard on you). I say bothered because you seem to be bothered about something and being on here is a waste of time for someone who supposedly wants to move on. Just let it go and direct to the attorney Buddha its as easy as that. You will only have to pay the attorney once every couple of years when they come around again. IF you believe it is harrassement that they come around so often then sue them. I dont see you doing any of this and to be quite frank you being on here "defending" yourself doesnt make you look like a victim at all it makes you look like you are hiding something and after telling the same lies for years you are starting to believe them. Im not saying whether you had something to do with it or not. You may be completely innocent. No one is going to know about this crime except the person who committed it and Randy and after this long the only thing is to let the poor man rest in peace. I hope that his family can move on but I also hope that for your sake Buddha and Im saying this in a friendly manner that you move on and get an attorney to deal with the stress for you. If the gun situation is what is bothering you the most then get some good therapy. Just someone to vent to because being on here isnt doing anyone any good especially you.Lets all not forget this is about a man who is missing and pressumed dead and he does have family members that will always hurt in some way. However, lets also not forget that this case has touched, harrassed, and affected others around it as well..
rednekbuddha (Kelly Powell) says…
So in the same breath you accuse me of lying then give your self deniability....how brave of you.....If you will notice sir/madam I have not posted for a long while....I was called by multiple people who have an interest in my well being and told me I was being attacked.....Right along the time lj world has been hassling me for an interview...coincidence? the 20 year anniversary is around the bend and I'm sure there will be a surge of b.s....And yes I do have a lawyer on retainer....It's amazing how much more innocent you are if you spend cash on a shyster....Go u.sa....Let's not let things like collaboration of evidence(or lack of) constant cooperation and truth hold any sway....no just a few thousand dollars and someone versed in pig latin undos 20 years of crap....But I need to move on? I'll tell you what sport, I promise I will never type another word about this again IF I see that the 3 to 4 year cycle is broken.....When I do not have to deal with it you won't here from me....I've dealt with it longer then you have had to hear from me(you could allways not read this you know....no ones holding a gun to your head)...I'm being a prick? So be it, share the misery seems to work for every other c7cks3cker on this planet, I've just decided to join the human race.
beatle919 (Marcy McGuffie) says…
I'm not trying to make light of a serious situation, but I find this Sun character highly amusing!A brief tidbit pulled from Sunshiine's post -11 April 2008 at 12:12 a.m. "Your to stupid..."-------Then, he/she attacks another's writing style later on.Don't be so quick to call others stupid.You are = you'retoo
RobertMarble (anonymous) says…
Frank Tankard recently wrote a great story relating to this which can be found on Lawrence.com called "Purgatory". It includes a surprising statement from the kbi in which Kelly & I are completely vindicated- "...no longer considered to be persons of interest". About time!!! Now only if the lv. co. sheriff's dept. could admit their claims were bogus as well....
geniusmannumber1 (anonymous) says…
Haw! They're doing it again!
Buggie7 (anonymous) says…
Congrats Robert and Kelly. Hope all goes better for you both.
RobertMarble (anonymous) says…
Thanks...it's about 19.75 years late, but late is better than nothing.
vpete69 (anonymous) says…
I had the pleasure of reading all 400+ comments here. I was bored. And I have ONE comment on the whole thing:scott_zoeller needs to visit a first grade spelling and grammar classroom prior to visiting a blog. How does someone function in life and show any bit of credibility with spelling and grammar like that. Thank god he stopped posting. I was one "wasteing are time" away from stabbing myself in the throat with a wooden spoon.
RobertMarble (anonymous) says…
If it's that bad, why continue to read & complain b.o.? The simplest solution would be to divert your attention elsewhere.
rednekbuddha (Kelly Powell) says…
Look, I know some people think that this was a soapbox for Rob and I to garner sympathy or us fishing for a chance to make some $ in a lawsuit....The trollls had a field day and you know what? That 's cool.....We got our chance to speak finally, and I feel better about some things....I started off very harsh concerning the leach family and went overboard in my venting.Now that I've bled out that infected wound, I feel like later on down the line I could have a sit down with harold and his wife and try reconcile our problems in a honorable fashion. Regardless of the people who thought this was a waste of time....We got our property back and have publically been dropped as "people of interest"....I do not think that would of happened without this public debate(and my family helping me get an attorney did not hurt) and the interest and controversy it caused. So thank you ljworld.....While I do not agree or even like some of how you handled this tragedy of the years, you still presented a forum for my dear friend and myself to help clear our names.
RobertMarble (anonymous) says…
Absolutely.....this thread has been more productive than 20 years of the best investigative work leavenworth tax dollars (and votes) can buy. I'm usually at odds with the news media in general. But the positive results yielded by the coverage on this story cannot be ignored.
RonaldWilson (anonymous) says…
This case has haunted me. Being from Randy's generation, I have always paid attention to the twists and turns this investigation has produced. The only thing it has not produced is one credible shred of evidence. The most mysterious of crimes usually has a starting point to lead the investigators to the perp. I mean a tangible piece of evidence, eyewitness testimony, or motive. This case lacks all of the above. That is why I propose that no crime occurred here. Let's suppose for a moment that Randy was kidnapped and/or murdered. Who had the opportunity? A bunch of self-described alcohol and drug abusing youths just graduating from high school, hardly the sophisticated type of criminal that could dispose of a human body and car for twenty years. If more than one of them was involved, the secret would surely not be kept for two decades. And what about the car? Why take a car from the crime scene? What advantage is that to a young killer? That is just one more piece of evidence to dispose of, and a very difficult piece to dispose of, as well. Have you ever thought what it would take to make a car disappear for twenty years? It could happen, but a drunk high school senior that just killed someone would see that as more of a burden to accomplish than to instead just flee the scene. There is nothing to be gained by taking the car, unless it was to be sold. But we know that didn't happen. The car has never been seen again, just like Randy. I propose the car and Randy are together. Wherever Randy has been since April 16, 1988, the car is as well. That got me thinking, where could a car and a human body be that no one would stumble across them for two decades? And, how could they come to find themselves in this mother of all hiding places? Knowing that Randy was highly intoxicated, from eyewitness reports, and, knowing what an intoxicated 17 year old acts and thinks like, from personal experience, I propose that Randy eventually did find his keys at the party. He then got into his car and left the party. Continued below....
RonaldWilson (anonymous) says…
I do not know where the party was located, but I do know the Kansas river and Stranger creek are in close proximity to Linwood. I believe he, under the influence of alcohol and/or drugs, inadvertantly drove into one of those two bodies of water. My hunch is the Kansas river. There are places where the river is 1000 feet wide. The entire town of Linwood would fit in one bend of the river. Finding a car in that river would be like finding a grain of sand in a bathtub full of gravy. Harder in fact, since the bathtub does not have a current. Randy and his car are most likely somewhere between Linwood and Kansas City, KS buried under 15 feet of silt. The only way he will ever be found in my estimation is with the use of some type of under water sonar, or some technology to map the bottom of the river and look for a large piece of metal buried there. There is just no way high school kids can witness or participate in a murder, dispose of every credible shred of evidence, and keep it quiet for twenty years. It can't happen. Randy unfortunately passed out while driving, or misjudged his speed and location, and plunged into a body of water (of which the most likely body is the Kansas river) concealing himself and his car for decades. I searched the internet for stories of cars plunging into rivers only to be found weeks, months and years later, and it happens quite frequently. I don't understand why this is never mentioned concerning this case. And, most of the rivers where I read about this scenario happening, were not of the size and power of the Kansas river near Linwood. It is a much more plausible explaination than satanists or a drug deal gone bad. Most murderers do not concern themselves with disposing of cars. It gets too messy and creates more of an evidence trail. Anyone care to debate this theory?
geniusmannumber1 (anonymous) says…
C'mon...let the whiskey tango soap opera begin again please...pleasepleasepleaseplease.....
The_Original_Bob (anonymous) says…
Oh, no. Not again. This is an undead thread. How do you kill zombies?
RonaldWilson (anonymous) says…
Stop checking on the staus of their lives, I suppose. Looks like you are quite interested in this thread to be decrying its ressurection.
RonaldWilson (anonymous) says…
I think genius and bob check to see which thread was last posted to so they may jump in and agitate the other posters. You might say they are trolling for an argument, hence, the moniker 'Troll".
RobertMarble (anonymous) says…
That theory has occurred to most rational people at one time or another ron, and it may in fact have merit. the point is though, that the law enforcement personnel conducting the investigation rendered all possible theories moot. the fact that they completely derailed the investigation from square one by their ridiculous '"bogeyman" investigation is a crime itself. whatever did happen is unlikely to be determined due to how completely the leavenworth sheriff's dept, under the substandard leadership of both terry campbell and herbert nye, screwed up the case. they harassed and railroaded us while the whatever leads may have been available went unnoticed.
RonaldWilson (anonymous) says…
Robert- I fully appreciate the harrassment you endured. Small town law enforcement can be both ineffective and overzealous at times. I do not doubt for one minute that this investigation was bungled. Many mysteries that go long-unsolved are often times resolved by the private citizen. Maybe it is the case with this mystery. Do not be so sure this is unlikely to be solved.
RobertMarble (anonymous) says…
Ronald, hopefully that will happen in this case. I'd like to see it solved regardless of who does it.
anotherinterestedsoul (anonymous) says…
I have recently been acquainted with the Leach Family and this case. I have personally sat down and reviewed each and every blog on every article that has been written about Randy. Although have never personally met Randy I have come to love his family and I have become extremely interested in this case. Everything that has been said on this blog will help lead to something and whether it said out of anger it seems that everyone on here in generally interested in what happened. I just wonder how many times the person who has done this horrible crime of hiding what actually happened to him, has viewed this information that has been put up here. Do you think that there is any remorse for what has been kept or even if they sleep at night? I personally challenge anyone who knows anything to come forward with some kind of information. Obviously anyone who has kept this blog going for this long has a heart and cares but what we need to focus on is the people that want to know information and people who interjected themselves into the actual investigation. For someone to hide this information for this amount of time, that takes guts but you see his family isn't going to be around forever and I am going to do my part to help figure out what happened. And I challenge you all to do the same. Whether it is just remembering the smallest detail of what someone said or the way someone acted after he went missing. You all seem like very intelligent people even you redneck. And I would like to apologize for anything that anyone might take offense to in my writings feel free to email me if you want. Just please do what you can to remember things it would be a great help.
RobertMarble (anonymous) says…
another....what's with the cheap passive-aggressive comment "even you redneck"? ....redneck is perhaps one of the most intelligent people who has posted on this thread. if you're here to make cheap insults, take it to another thread- this one actually has sigifficance. if you've got an axe to grind i suggest you grow some cojones and make the insults face to face. most likely Kelly would rip your kidneys out through you anus for making such a comment- and justifiable so. After having been slandered and nearly railroaded due to the false accusations for two decades he would have every right to do so. Your little monday morning quarterback pep talk is meaningless. Go ahead and solve the case, sherlock. Brainless morons like you have done nothing but hinder solution of this case from square one, helping to cloud the facts and deter solution. If you're just wading in now you don't know a damn thing. A huge portion of the comments and information on this thread were deleted almost two years ago; you're drawing conclusions from incomplete information, which has been par for the course since this case began. Fortunately I realized that was likely to occur early on & printed the post in it's entirety before the leav. sheriff's dept got the JW to eliminate the postings that caused them such embarassment. Face it, you're obviously one of those sick f**kers who gets some vicarious thrill from stuff like this type of thing. By your weak attempt at insulting redneck you are also taking a shot at me since we're implicated together. If you truely have such strong feelings of seeking resolution on this case- which you are in no way involved in- then you are more than welcome to come talk to me next time I'm in town. I can let you read the unedited version of this in it's entirety, not to mention 20 years worth of accumulated documentation, the hijacked police reports, and our own personal experiences as the unwilling scapegoats. But I will also require an apology for your juvenile and idiotic attempted insults. so are you for real, or are you just another jackass shooting off his mouth?
anotherinterestedsoul (anonymous) says…
I obviously came across the wrong way. There is nothing that I would love more than to have this case solved. I happen to be part of the family and I am greatly interested in this case. I have all of the information that i could ever imagine and I have reviewed a lot of it. I am very serious about this case and my husband and I are working diligently to find someone who know something about his cousins disappearance. I will not apologize for anything that was said because I was actually taking kelly's side. And I know how much crap the police and the media have put you through but you make it easy for them. Every time you lash out at someone like that it makes you look guilty. I hope that one day you can both be at piece for what has happened to you but obviously that is not going to happen until this case is solved or the two of you are no longer with us. So I suggest that you quit acting that way and quit jumping to conclusions. However as far as an apology, I will not apologize for anything that I said I believe that everything that was said was appropriate.
RobertMarble (anonymous) says…
1. Your comment was an insult directed at Kelly, and as such, it was well deserved that you be slapped down a bit for it.2. You continue to be insulting my making comments like "lash out/ makes you look guilty". Who the hell do you think you are to imply that defending myself implies guilt? If you had the intelligence to analyze this "information" you purport to have you would be able to see one common denominator: Doing nothing seemed to give the appearance of guilt, at least to the inbreeds of the area. After 20 years I decided it was time to go on the offensive against people such as yourself who attempt to "speak with such knowledge and authority" regarding this case. If you want to slur it as lashing out that only degrades your stated position. After 20 years of abuse, harassment, slander, and false accusations it is obvious to any intelligent person that I am highly justified in defending myself. If you've got a problem with that too bad. I have the integrity to post using my real name, whereas you write your slanderous crap under an alias like a coward and expect to be taken seriously. If you wish your words to be taken as real post your identity as I have. You say you have all the case info, yet have learned nothing- this whole thing has been about lies and deception, yet you continue to propagate it. What are you trying to hide?
RobertMarble (anonymous) says…
As a matter of fact, It's a minor miracle that I haven't truely "lashed out" as you say. Being falsely accused of such horrific things for so long would send a lesser man over the edge- if that were the case full retaliation would have already happened. Those who have perpetuated these accusations would certainly meet a violent end if I were to take that path. I suggest you get on your knees and give thanks to whatever diety you worship that I haven't retaliated against that cesspool of a community, no matter how much it is deserved. For you to say that defending myself makes me look guilty would certainly put you at the top of the list. Be very thankfull I'm a better human being that anything else that's ever existed in that county, otherwise payback would have already occurred. As it is I'm quite happy with the opportunity that the advent of the internet brought- for the first time we are able to address the public about the lies, stupidity, slander, and false accusations made by people such as yourself. If you've got such a determination to chastise someone for their behavior here why don't you address it to those who derailed the investigation by supplying so many false statements implicating me that the cops completely lost any hope of solving the case? Your actions sure don't match your words . For you to spew your garbage at me only furthers what has been happening these two decades. Slandering me is just the same tired old tactic, and look where it's gotten this case. Yet you say you want to see it solved. If you were for real you'd direct your hostility at those responsible to the botched investigation- both the sheriff's department and the morons of linwood. But for you to dare to direct your hostility towards me or Kelly is complety out've line, and I will certainly continue to rebuke you for it. As I said previously, in the first many years I took no action in response to the stupidity of that town and look where it got me. Now I've had enough- so I suggest you pull your head out of your a** and think straight. Who knows, maybe you can start a new trend around there.
The_Original_Bob (anonymous) says…
Oh, dear lord. It continues.
Dejacrew423 (anonymous) says…
I just want to bookmark this page so I can come back to it. ****Randy Leach Article********
Dejacrew423 (anonymous) says…
Okay, so I just finally finished reading all the comments and all I can say is wow! Growing up in Eudora I remember seeing the poster of this guy in the bank. I also remember hearing about satan worshipers but never put the two rumors together until I was older. I even remember going to a "supposedly" haunted spot where Randy was said to be buried. I was born in 1983 and growing up all of the stories were just urban legends that were told back in forth right along with the screaming witch stories of the ghost that haunted the railroad tracks. It's so weird and interesting to me to hear from or of real people involved (whether they want to be or not) in this case. Makes me realize this was a real person and many peoples lives were effected by this tragedy. I want to say that I am sorry for all those involved and I hope that this mystery can be solved. I would love to know if a book ever gets written. A factual book, if that's possible. T
treesplease (anonymous) says…
I grew up hearing my parents talk about this case as both sides of my family are from Linwood. My family moved to Lawrence in 1988 when I was four. I've learned more this afternoon than I had the last 20 years about this case because as mentioned it turned into an urban ledgend of sorts with lots of he said she said BS. My only comment I wish to add is that not everyone from Linwood in an inbred slackjawed yolkel. Just wanted to put that out there. Some of us actually turn out alright. (on a side note- I thank my parents often for moving me away at a young age.:)) Actually there's a street called Bowen street and that's my maiden name. I only go back now to visit family buired in the cemetary nearby, and to go to the greenhouse... ahh,stouts. okay.... I'm off point. Hope this is resolved someday, I tend to agree with the idea that Randy and the car are in a body of water. That's my two cents. -slackjawed yolkel turned liberal Lawrencian
RobertMarble (anonymous) says…
http://www.lawrence.com/news/2008/apr... story on that address fills in a few of the gaps left by the postings that leavenworth had censored from this board in '06/'07. Eventually I'll get around to reposting the ones I printed out so this thread will be complete once more- the JW would never admit the reason or even acknowledge it had been done.
RobertMarble (anonymous) says…
on second thought, I won't repost the original thread. I just scrolled up through and realized the magnitude of how much material had been removed from this- with that in mind I'm sure the JW or Leaven. sheriff's office would simply have it all censored again. I'm just going to scan the original printouts. To those of you who say you've read this thread- you actually haven't- huge portions were pulled 2 years ago. If you'd like to read the full content before it was suppressed, email me at robert.marble@comcast.net, I'll send it to you in .pdf form. Suppression of the facts is never the way to go, JournalWorld.
yellowhouse (anonymous) says…
Yes, the LKPD have wronged a lot of people, including my family my business and many of my customers.I know what it is like to be an innocent person at the end of a gun and even placed in the cold hard handcuffs and forced to endure strip searches and imprisonment in a maximum security prison for days on end just so the Government can "show you who is boss" or teach you a lesson. I know what its like to have your heart ripped out by the lies and your reputation and life shattered by false allegations.But I don't know what its like to lose a child and never know what happened. It is sad what some had to go through in the Leach case, but everyone has their own cross to bear, sometimes there are sacrifices that have to be made when you are fighting for something.Thats just the way it is. The Leaches have have something they are fighting for. I wish them luck.
treesplease (anonymous) says…
Robertmarble, I've sent you an email and would be interested in seeing the unedited postings. Thanks, kelly
RobertMarble (anonymous) says…
Ok treesplease, I'll get them scanned & sent out tomorrow afternoon.
RobertMarble (anonymous) says…
sent
RobertMarble (anonymous) says…
hmm...change of mind on this..I'll go ahead & repost the info- it's better to have it publicly available even if it's may get censored again...here goes:
RobertMarble (anonymous) says…
Posted by )hawkgurl (anonymous) on November 3, 2006 at 12:14 p.m. (Suggest removal)Hello Mr. Marble. Is this the first time you have been on here to read this past months blogs? Do you have anything enlightening you would like to add? Any input on your part would be well appreciated.Posted by Robert Marble (anonymous) on November 3, 2006 at 12:55 p.m. (Suggest removal)Hello Jhawk. l've been aware of this blog for some time, although I've neglected to read or participate in it due to my suspicion (based on the progression of the case so far) that this forum would only serve to muddy the waters further. Unfortunately I have been proven correct. The downside of jumping in at this late date is that there are now numerous postings to sift through & fact check- that'll take me some time to do so. There are some points which I do intend to clarify regarding this case. Hopefully some modicum of enlightenment will be achieved, although at this point it seems unlikely at best. I've lightly blrowsed the preceeding postings & am very disappointed by some of the petty bickering & mudslinging....disasppointed but not surprised. So this is as good of a time as any for me to wade into it, especially since I've been dragged into since day one anyway....S00000, anybody with an actual stake in this case listen up. It's time to set the record straight. And for those of you who have nothing to do with what's going on or are merely looking for a vicarious thrill, it's time to butt out. I'll have more to add, but until then it's time for a cup of coffee...Posted by Robert Marble (anonymous) on November 3, 2006 at 1:59 p.m. (Suggest removal)Let's get the introductions out've the way first. My name is Rob Marble, formerly of Linwood Ks. I attended school in Linwood from kindergarten until I graduated in '88. I knew Randy the entire time. We were friends- not best friends, not particularly close friends- but friends nonetheless. In a small rural area that is quite the norm. The class of '88 consisted of only 35 people, and we were the largest class to ever graduate from there. I did attend the party on that night with Kelly Powell & Scott Smith. And due of my apparent poor judgement in having attended, have somehow wound up as the focal point of the witch hunt the subsequent investigation devolved into. This brings us to the first point I'd like to address- how this investigation got so far off track at an early stage.
RobertMarble (anonymous) says…
Posted by Robert Marble (anonymous) on November 3, 2006 at 2 p.m. (Suggest removal)In the Army we had a term for an operation conducted with the level of professionalism & technical proficiency displayed the leavenworth/keystone cops sheriff's dept; that term is "clusterrck". The onus of this clusterf*ck rests squarely on the shoulders of 4 individuals: former sheriffs terry campbell and herbert nye, and detectives pat "francine" sparks & hank "fuller brush salesman" spellman. Over time many others contributed to the amazing accumulation of investigative incompetence, but these four stooges are absolutely the root cause. Intrigued? Come on in, have a seat, & I'll tell ya a talewaaaaaaaaaay back when, I was what my current self would refer to as a bit of a dirtbag. Meaning that back in those days as a teenager in a hick town I was quite the steroetype- drinking, partying, raising hell all the time, into heavy metal music, wore long hair, drew pictures from Ozzy albumn covers on my homework, etc, etc...pretty typical of many teens. But not so much in that rural, inbred area.Posted by Robert Marble (anonymous) on November 3, 2006 at 2:01 p.m. (Suggest removal)My first notification that Randy was missing came on the morning of the first day subsequent to the party. David Burns came to my house asking if I had seen Randy, & explained that he hadn't arrived home. A few days after that I was visited at work by wannabe detectives sparks & spellman. I answered their questions & they asked if I would voluntarily allow them to search my car. Having nothing to hide & with the intent of cooperation because of my concern for Randy, I consented. That was mistake #1 on my part. I worked in some scuzzy area of KCK at the time- well, I suppose it's all scuzzy- so I wisely made sure to always have some type of weapon available in case I encountered a situation where I would need on. On that day it was a 14" bowie knife. Kelly's knife was also in the car. It had a slightly larger blade curved in a repeated "S" pattern. And the clincher- there was a damn paperback book in the car, left there by an aquaintance of ours from Lawrence, named Lee A. Shoemate III. Lee was an avid reader, and he read ALL types of material. This book just happened to be titled "The Satanic Bible", by Anton LaVey. And there was also dungeons & dragons handbook of some type in there as well, although I don't remember who's it was- not mine, never got into the game, but the ownership of the book is irrelevant.
RobertMarble (anonymous) says…
Posted by Robert Marble (anonymous) on November 3, 2006 at 2:02 p.m. (Suggest removal)SO...these two genius cops found these items during their search & promptly confiscated them. And THAT, people, is the EXACT point at which the investigation became completely derailed. From that point on the idiots of leavenworth became completely obsessed with the idea that Randy's disappearance was the result of satanic activity. Actually, that was KU play explores teen's disappearance j LJWorld.comPage 38 of 47only the spark which ignited the whole conflagration. Any competent investigator would definitely find these items potentially suspicious in relation to a disappearance. But a competent investigator would pursue the idea until disproven and move on....but not these morons. Instead they fed the rumor. From that point on, their questioning of other people included leading questions and accusations- asking people things like "what can you tell me about Rob & Kelly's involvement in satanic activity," etc, etc. Although there was none, due to the nature of the questions people soon became convinced otherwise. As soon as the cops got done talking to one person, that person would tell their buddies "hey, guess what the cops just told me about Rob & Kelly", and so on through the grapevine. The cops were still going down there list of people to question- but now the rumors they had inadverently started began to bear fruit....so by the time they'd get to the next ya-hoo on their list, they had already hear rumors and would regurgitate them back to the cops. And of course, this only served to galvanize the cops idiotic view, which of course permeated their line of questions, which in turn amplified the rumors, which of course were then reported to the cops, etc...it became a self fulfilling delusionPosted by jhawkgurl (anonymous) on November 3, 2006 at 2:29 p.m. (Suggestremoval)Rob,Thank you for the time you have taken to write what you have. Your input is appreciated as well as Kellys.I do have an actual stake in this as it is my family member and I am sure you understand that we want to put an end to this and find out what happened to Randy. I worry that we may never find out but also being a stubborn person I am not giving up because that is not my style, however I do wish things would have been done differently in the begining but we can not turn back time. Thank you for your time in this matter
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Posted by Robert Marble (anonymous) on November 3, 2006 at 4:08 p.m. (Suggest removal)The above information should clarify the root cause of why this investigation was botched from the very beginning. It also serves to accurately characterize all related subsequent events. I will post more as I see fit, or as motivation allows. With the goal of reigning in some of the inbred mob mentality that has permeated this from day one, I will gladly answer relevant questions or comments. I do require that any future comments/questions/concerns posed to me should be done so in the same open manner in which I am posting. In other words if you wish to communicate with me, identify yourself. I have posted under my name & will not reply to those hiding behind a pseduonym. If you prefer to post anonymously that is fine as long as you identify yourself to me at least in an email. I can be contacted at Rob Marble@aol.com (space between the names, NO underscore) or robert marble@pmeduPosted by rednekbuddha (Kelly Powell) on November 3, 2006 at 5:28 p.m. (Suggest removal)The d&d book was mine....I had bought it and the knife at a garage sale about two weeks before this happened and left it your car, along with a change of clothes and a bottle of canadian mist (which you still owe me for)...do not forget the other clincherthe kris knife had a upside down star scratched into it(gasp, que evil. music)The knives and the books have been tested by the kbi and no trace of blood or dna evidence was foundPosted by jhawkgurl (anonymous) on November 3, 2006 at 6:43 p.m. (Suggest removal)Mr. MarbleI have emailed you on one of your email accounts. THank you for your time.
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Posted by kudrama (anonymous) on November 3, 2006 at 6:58 p.m. (Suggest removal)Robert,Agreeing with you request, my real name has been emailed to you.Again thank you for speaking up, it's encouraging when people that were at the party are willing to speak openly, assisting in the closure that is way overdue for all involved to include Kelly, Tammy and yourself. A lot was possibly mishandled by the Leach family, Leavenworth County along with numerous police departments. Although they can't go back and change the way different issues were handled I believe the main objective is still locating Randy Leach. What do you remember the night of the party? Katmandu appears to have direct contact with the Leach family and posted questions that still remain unanswered. I'm going to copy and post them again; you may be able help get the answers.Here are their questions / comments.1.What about the keys being tossed back and forth in front of the porch light about 11:00 p.m. that night? Randy was, according to several witnesses, staggering between the participants shouting "Give me my keys, I want to go home." Rednekbuddha, do you know anything about this, or about the next two items.2.What about Randy being spun around inside the garage around midnight in a swivel chair. Could the purpose of that have been to keep him disoriented?3.What about the take-down (Randy being tackled) on the east side of the garage shortly after midnight? Witnesses said that Randy got a lot worse after that. He had been starting to sober up, or possibly whatever was in his system was wearing off. Could the object of the take-down have been to help keep him disoriented?4.Randy was apparently made to sit on a bench in the Erwin home sometime after midnight so that he would not fall and 5.Between 1:00 and 1:30 a.m. Randy was taken outside supposedly so that he would not fall in the house and hurt himself. He was taken to his car and laid on the front seat. He was asking for his car keys at that time. Who can talk to us about that?6.At 1:45 a.m. a boy went to the campfire and asked one of the paters if he had Randy's keys. The response was, "Yes, and you can't have them." Who was the person who had the keys at the bonfire at 1:45 a.m.?7.According to Ann Erwin, the hostess, Randy was in her home at 2:05 a.m. standing in line to use the bathroom. He was then apparently sent back outside. No attempt was made to call his parents, even though those at the party knew that he was too messed up to drive.8.Randy did not have his car keys and he was incapable of driving. Who drove him away from the party? Someone needs to identify the driver - please!9.Randy arrived at the party in a messed up state. Who was driving his car around Linwood earlier that evening. Who drove his car to the party? Driving the car was not a crime - give us the name.
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Posted by rednekbuddha (Kelly Powell) on November 3, 2006 at 11:23 p.m. (Suggest removal)The same questions again....To answer....1:I did not seei t, so I do not believe it happened....The space between the house and the fire was about 50 yards....Voices would of carried.2:I did not see this, even though I can believe it happened....tell me, how much spinning could keep a person disorientated for hours? A rcked up person in a swivel chair is pretty much fair game to be spun (see man law number 277)3:It was not until this thread started that I had heard randy got into a fight or was shoved down....though as messed up as he was, I could see someone shoving him to the ground, as much as he was leaning into people and spraying them with his spittle as he talked....As far as I know this was not in the original police reports....when did this info come out?Posted by rednekbuddha (Kelly Powell) on November 4, 2006 at 12:14 a.m. (Suggest removal)seriously...When did this rumor start? You are asking for us to be honest....Answer some questions for us. Because this really sounds like something that came up years later.... people starting to try to fill the gaps....and as a side notice, I was never once asked about randys girl friend when i was polygraphedMaybe one question during the first interview....butthey have not asked me any other time in 18 yearsno one I have spoke to that was there saw her....Yet this was arecurring theme in the playdo the leaches feel she is a suspect? Or is this the same as them denying the last part of theplay not being harolds personal theory.. (even though at the beginning of the last act, he states "this is what i think happened) ?
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Posted by Katmandu (anonymous) on November 4, 2006 at 9 a.m. (Suggest removal)Harold and Alberta believe that the girlfriend was at the party during the early hours - based on reports of some others who were there. The play was a fictionalzied account of a real incident (the same method as used on "Law and Order"), and Harold has not limited himself to one theory. I saw the play multiple times and did not come away with any indication that it was focusing on anyone in particular as the villain - least of all the girlfriend. The playwright indicated in news accounts that he used various sources of material for his fictional work, including, according to the news article at the head of this thread, statements of Harold and Alberta Leach, newspaper clippings, and police reports.I was glad to see that Rob Marble has joined the conversation. His comments were calm and lucid, and they added to my understanding of what life was like in Linwood in 1988. Comments from Randy's other friends, including the girlfriend, might fill in some important gaps and lead us to understand what really happened that night. It's time to unravel this mystery and put it, and Randy Leach, to rest.Posted by Robert Marble (anonymous) on November 4, 2006 at 10 a.m. (Suggest removal)Good morning all...And thank you to those who've contacted me to identify themselves as previously requested. I've managed to reply to one or two so far & will get caught up later today. I'm still half asleep- I'm two time zones behind you folks in the midwest- so I won't get into anything too involved right now but I do want to add something about the girlfriend issue. The individual in question is/was Pam Phillips. I believe her to be a complete non-issue. I remember very little about her other than the fact that she was completely innocuous. Not to knock her but the girl wasn't very bright- and certainly was not involved in anything serious that I was aware of. ok kiddos I'll add more later.Posted by rednekbuddha (Kelly Powell) on November 4, 2006 at 11:39 a.m. (Suggest removal)katmandu....you have to be kidding me, pam was portrayed as a evil seductress b!tch through the entire playI have to calla general concensus on that..did or did not the play cast "the girlfriend" in a very negative light? further katmandu, everything people have said here has been said multiple times....You are not going to"unravel the mystery"....Good luck to you, but a bunch a yayhoos schmoozing on a messegeboard simply does constitute aninvestigation...and further more, your understanding of what happened at the party is immaterialmultiple teams ofinvestigators(other than the original morons) have and are working on the caseunless you are a law enforcement officer_ i outraged as me.
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Posted by scott zoeller (anonymous) on November 4, 2006 at 1:21 p.m. (Suggest removal)Randys girlfriend has been painted in a negative light. I have no idea if she was there or not. You want to know why cause I wasnt there. We have beaten this horse to death. Kelly & Rob you 2 gave the family a story to run with for 18 years. Its the story I have always been told over and over agin. Randy was taken by a satanic cult put in a cave and killed. This is the bull sh*t story that has been past generation to generation. The play is exactly what my uncle harold has been telling the family since day one. He would tell us what he wanted us to know. Then the rest of us were stuck to figure it out for ourselves. Katmandu who are you realy. Cause you clame to know them but trust me you dont realy know them. As far as the qusetion Harold and Alberta want to know there junk questions. Its the same thing over and over agin. Randy was at the party and he was messed up I think we all get that. I realy doubt if thats what killed him? Questions 8 & 9 are the most disturbing, cause if you tell who was driving the car earlyer in the night Im a 1000% sure the leaches will point a finger and say they killed him. (For everyone information the family is diveded into the Rose side and the Leach side, Im on the Rose side) They are the people who will knock on your door unasked as start qustioning you with out a cop. I know Im pissing off people right now cause i wont shut up but we cant keep going after people on our own. They have a very MOB mentality (the law dont apply to them). Question 9 may answer something for us. But I dont think anyone saw him leave. If someone took him away & they were the one who killed him Im sure there not going to talk. If someone killed him it was no more than 2 people and even that would be hard for them. Randy was 6ft 3 and 220 pounds. In high school and normal life thats a big guy. Very hard to move 220 dead weight around. Plus keeping your mouth shut would be kinda hard for this many years, especialy if you had more than 1 person who killed him. Dont give me this crap that he might still be alive. He has been missing more years than he has lived so im kinda sure hes dead. I have seen high school kids kill eachother & Im sorry they dont keep there mouth shut trust me I know this from growing up in the 90's & in Junction. So it had to be some sort of adult someone over the age of 21, if not over the age of 25. Most of this is my own oppenion so dont take this and run like some many people have over the last 18 years. But the play is the story i have been told since i was 8.
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Posted by Robert Marble (anonymous) on November 4, 2006 at 1:42 p.m. (Suggest removal)ScottPlease clarify the statement you just made in the first part of your posting : "Kelly & Rob you 2 gave the family astory to run with for 18 years."What the hell is that supposed to mean? The only thing I've given the police is direct, and repeated, answers to their questions. If you're insinuating otherwise you're waaaaay out've line. I'm not going to make this assumption however, I'd like to give you the opportunity to clarify.Posted by scott zoeller (anonymous) on November 4, 2006 at 1:47 p.m. (Suggest removal)The family took what they got from your car and created this story that we all see and hear today. Trust me in no way do I belive you guys had anything to do with this. I dont mean to put you down in anyway but this wasnt a high school murder.
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Posted by Robert Marble (anonymous) on November 4, 2006 at 1:57 p.m. (Suggest removal)...And to address your previous questions ku....I didn't see any of those events happen. We arrived at the party, left, and came back once or twice. Not much seemed to be happening from what I saw. People were hanging out in variuos groups. I wasn't much interested at the time- I was only there because there wasn't much else going on that evening. Of all the people there, very few were anybody I even cared to speak with. We were just killing time basically. The party itself was very un-memorable. I did talk with Randy a couple of times. As stated by everyone else, he did appear drunk. One thing did surprise the hell out've me: He asked me if I had any weed, and went on to say that Jason had smoked some pretty good stuff with him earlier. I didn't believe him. I had previously seen Randy drunk on a few rare occasions; certainly not frequently which was more the norm for kids there at the time. But I had never seen or even heard of him smoking pot. And such things rarely stayed secret in such a small community. At the time I assumed the Jason he was referring to was Jason King, but later I was given reason to wonder about that. When I submitted to the polygraph later some of the questions were about someone name Jason Sanders. I had no idea who that was- and still don't. That's a question I'd like the answer to....does anybody know?Posted by Robert Marble (anonymous) on November 4, 2006 at 2:14 p.m. (Suggest removal) ah, understood....thank you for clearing that up Scott.Posted by Katmandu (anonymous) on November 4, 2006 at 3:29 p.m. (Suggest removal)High-handed? That's certainly a case of the pot calling the kettle black! Calm down, RNB, or you'll give yourself a stroke.Again, the play was fictional because no one has come forward yet to tell the real story of what happened to Randy. The girlfried was presented in a negative light in the play. She was not, however, portrayed to be his abductor or killer in any of the scenarios, nor was any motive given for her to have had that level of involvement.Posted by scott zoeller (anonymous) on November 4, 2006 at 5:32 p.m. (Suggest removal)Katmandu are you retarded? The play has his gf involved in killing him. In real life the gf has always been painted in a negative light. the problem is the play is what is real to a large part of the family. So dont give me the world.Posted by kudrama (anonymous) on November 4, 2006 at 7:03 p.m. (Suggest removal)Scott, Please email me at kugbad469@yahoo.com, i do not feel it is appropriate for myself, to humiliate you publicly on post, nor is it productive.Posted by scott zoeller (anonymous) on November 4, 2006 at 7:13 p.m. (Suggest removal) Trust me your not going to humiliate me on here. But i emailed you also so feel free to talk.
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Posted by Spider (anonymous) on November 4, 2006 at 9:34 p.m. (Suggest removal)Well, I can tell those of you who have never been parents, and it is very obvious to me those who are in that category, just wait until a child of yours disappears!! The zealousness and what appears to you to be rudeness on the part of the Leaches is just desperate, parental care. I sympathize with them, but I also sympathize with those who have come under the looking glass of suspicion and have had their lives torn apart by this. I feel badly for the innocent people who have been badgered by the cops. It would have been nice if the cops had interviewed people with the thought that these people could help. I feel badly that people's lives have been affected so greatly when they had nothing to do with this. I just want this all to end so everyone can get on with their lives. I want this to end. I want everyone to get their answers and get on with their lives. It would be so nice to wake up tomorrow and know that this whole thing was just a dream and never happened.Posted by kudrama (anonymous) on November 4, 2006 at 10:16 p.m. (Suggest removal) Well saidPosted by kudrama (anonymous) on November 5, 2006 at 7:17 p.m. (Suggest removal) Was the girl friend even at the party?Posted by kudrama (anonymous) on November 5, 2006 at 8:32 p.m. (Suggest removal) Posted by rednekbuddha (Kelly Powell) on November 1, 2006 at 5:19 p.m. (Suggest removal)kudrama....I apologize, i am horrible about returning messages.... just started a new job....look for something sun. eve.Posted by Robert_ Marble (anonymous) on November 5, 2006 at 9:22 p.m. (Suggest removal)I don't recall seeing Pam at the party, although she may have been there at a different timewhen I was talking with Randy, he was touring the crowd on his own...no of lady in tow.Posted by kudrama (anonymous) on November 5, 2006 at 10:26 p.m. (Suggest removal) What about the Burns brothers?Posted by 311awkgurl (anonymous) on November 5, 2006 at 10:41 p.m. (Suggest removal)in reference to whether or not Pam was at the party....) was told by her personally in 2003 that she was at a horse show that evening. A person who is closely related to her told me that they actually helped her get ready to attend this horse show. Not sure if that is what the rumor was at the time? my two cents...
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Posted by jhawkgurl (anonymous) on November 5, 2006 at 11:26 p.m. (Suggest removal)also, before anyone comes at me on the last commentthe person closely related to Pam that I used to be in contact withdid not KNOW I was Randys cousin when they told me about the horse show and helping Pam get ready for it...I am also not on here to publicly humilate her or the family member but the family member is a reputable person who had no reason to "cover" for her. There that is another two cents I have to add..Posted by rednekbuddha (Kelly Powell) on November 6, 2006 at 5:35 p.m. (Suggest removal)Well katmandu, since your a johnny comel lately on this whole thing I'll give you some advicei have dealt with people likeyou for 18 years nowI am giving you my opinion and the facts as I know them as a courtesy....you on the other hand havenothing to offer meSo I am in the right to say what I want about this the way I want toI am a person that was forcedinto this farce....while you volunteeredthe advise is this; If you are going to portray yourself as the leaches spokesperson,be prepared to take the flak like a good little girl....lf not, butt the hell out.
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Posted by Robert Marble (anonymous) on November 7, 2006 at 10:47 p.m. (Suggest removal) httpl/www,topiLitettforumkoufity/leaven..,Check out the website above...interesting reading.Posted by Katlyn (anony_mous) on November 8, 2006 at 10:59 p.m. (Suggest removal)I don't know if it is possible or how someone goes about doing this but has anyone involved TV media i.e. 20/20, dateline, cold case files, unsolved mysterious? I would think that if everyone that has posted would take 5 min. and write a letter to one of the above then maybe we could get more educated involvement other than our law enforcement. If others feel this could help, I would be more than happy to find the address where to send the letters.Posted by yammytam (anonymous) on November 8, 2006 at 11:59 p.m. (Suggest removal)Pam was not there that I can recallcant believe ole sparks got an award jeeze what has the world come toPosted by yammytam (anonymous) on November 9, 2006 at midnight (Suggest removal) and it was on a talk showPosted by Katmandu (anonymous) on November 9, 2006 at 6:09 a.m. (Suggest removal) Katlyn,Wonderful idea! You can probably find the addresses on the Internet. Those who write, hopefully many, should reference this article and blog to show the extent of local interest and controversey. (And, the article at the head of the blog has a link to this newspaper's history of articles on Randy's disappearance.) This is the type of idea that could really make a difference. Thanks for posting it. I will join the effort and send some letters.Posted by rednekbuddha (Kelly Powell) on November 9, 2006 at 6:23 a.m. (Suggest removal) unsolved mysterys thought about it, but later decided to pull out.Posted by Robert Marble (anonymous) on November 9, 2006 at 1:11 p.m. (Suggest removal)Ok kiddies...I've got the next few days off so I'll be able to continue with some more clarification of this case. But first I've gotta point out a few things: I'm pretty damn certain the Burns brothers didn't have anything to do with Randy's disappearance so don't even consider it as an option- nor did pam philips; these people aren't the killer type. And now that I've had a chance to browse the previous postings I've gotta comment on the polygraph issue. There are numerous postings that seem to indicate people give polygraphs far too much credibility. lesson two: Polygraphs are extremely fallible, and highly unreliable. Many of us involved in this fiasco haven been tested. According to the leavenworth/keystone cops I failed mine. It was a mistake to even agree to it in the fist place- remember this folks...If you are ever asked to take a polygraph for ANY reason- REFUSE..they're not admissible in court for a reason: they're bogus. And guess what happens when you take one & fail? LOTS of bad stuff....) could type crap in here for DAYS that resulted from it.
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Posted by Robert Marble (anonymous) on November 9, 2006 at 2:39 p.m. (Su•gest removal) "Say cheese, Brad..." mutt zimmermanPosted by yammytam (anonymous) on November 9, 2006 at 3:59 p.m. (Suggest removal) ?? Posted by kudrama (anonymous) on November 9, 2006 at 5:44 p.m. (Suggest removal) Robert I missed somethingPosted by Spider (anonymous) on November 9, 2006 at 6:34 p.m. (Suggest removal) Rob, go ahead and type in crap. I want to hear it.Posted by Robert Marble (anonymous) on November 10, 2006 at 9:04 a.m. (Suggest removal)The story did wind up on the Jerry Springer show of all places several yeats ago. I never saw the episode though; Tim Dennis of the kbi told me about it a couple years ago.Posted by rednekbuddha (Kelly Powell) on November 10, 2006 at 9:34 a.m. (Suggest removal)Hell, i passed mine and have still gotten hassledUnsolved mysterys will not do this because(this is theory) with the policereports now out in the public, their would be a strong chance of them being sued if they ran a scenario and somebody could directly correlate it with something from the reports....Also due to the fact that terry martin/harry lee harper and harold leach were saying they were working for unsolved mysterys(and do not give me any semantic arguements about the wording theyused) thus putting unsolved mysterys in a unkind lightA lack of a credible suspect is a big issue to.Posted by smalltowngirl26 (anonymous) on November 10, 2006 at 9:58 a.m. (Suggest removal) What does "Say Cheese, Brad..." mean. I'm assuming Brad has a last initial of B? I'm very curious.RNB - Just a question...Why did you not tell us the roots of the Satanism stories, i.e. your D&D book being found before Rob showed up?
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Posted by Robert_Marble (anonymous) on November 10, 2006 at 10:28 a.m. (Suggest removal)smalltowng...this blog has only existed for a short time...Kelly has already spent a great deal of time contributing information here as I have begun to. There are still many facts and points yet to be discussed and made public. Be patient. Remember it's nearly 20 years worth of misguided farce we're dealing with...and I don't believe I've received an introduction from you-who are you and what is your connection to this? please reply either on the blog or by email.Posted by rednekbuddha (Kelly Powell) on November 10, 2006 at 10:35 a.m. (Suggest removal)smalltown....quite frankly it slipped my mind....the satanic angle became so big that the books and knives seemed inconsequential compared to the cave sacrifice and the the conspiracy theorysorry if I have not answered your questionsas fully as i could havemaybe you should put a gun to my headwon't be the first time.Posted by kudrama (anonymous) on November 10, 2006 at 11:07 a.m. (Suggest removal)It is my assumption Robert Marble comment was directed to myself as my real name is Brad, reference say cheese Brad... mutt Zimmerman, although the recent post has not reveled Robert's intention nor e-mail attempts, If anyone would enlighten me it would be much appreciated .Posted by smalltowngirl26 (anonymous) on November 10, 2006 at 11:15 a.m. (Suggest removal) Does Matt Zimmerman know you? I thought he was quoting Matt...so why would Matt tell you to say cheese??? But maybe I read it all wrong???Posted by rednekbuddha (Kelly_Powell) on November 10, 2006 at 11:24 a.m. (Suggest removal)'Say cheese brad" is a all purpose catch phrase evolved from something zimmerman used to say....private joke between rob and meso quit trying to dissect it,even though it is amusing as hell to watch you guys try.Posted by kudrama (anonymous) on November 10, 2006 at 11:25 a.m. (Suggest removal) No, I don't know mutt other what I've read about in the blog, Confused....Posted by kudrama (anonymous) on November 10, 2006 at 11:29 a.m. (Suggest removal) Thanks Kelly...Glad it at least provided some amussment , but thanks for the clarificationPosted by rednekbuddha (Kelly Powell) on November 10, 2006 at 11:33 a.m. (Suggest removal) "rosebud"
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Posted by Robert Marble (anonymous) on November 10, 2006 at 11:51 a.m. (Suggest removal)No that wasn't directed at you Ku....I had a few beers last night while I was enjoying a few days off work & apparently was stricken by the urge to post something nonsensical...and yes all, as Kelly said it was simply a joke; one of mutt's utterances. I will strive to be less cryptic in the future.Posted by Robert Marble (anonymous) on November 10, 2006 at 11:52 a.m. (Suggest removal) "The dog barks at midnight"Posted by kudrama (anonymous) on November 10, 2006 at 1:07 p.m. (Suggest removal)Careful Robert, There are people that could "dissect" your comment " The dogs bark at midnight" to the old omen If a dog barks at midnight facing north, it shows hurdles for the BrahamanAnd death of some dear and near oneThus feeding"sparks" for the fuel of another officer of the year.Posted by Robert Marble (anonymous) on November 10, 2006 at 4:41 p.m. (Suggest removal) I'd say it's a givenit seems no feat of incompetence can prevent it.Posted by Katmandu (anonymous) on November 10, 2006 at 5:24 p.m. (Suggest removal)Here is the address for Dateline NBC. Letters from multiple individuals could not hurt. Citing this article and attached thread would show the level of on-going interest and controversey associated with Randy's disappearance.story suggestions Dateline NBC30 Rockefeller PlazaNew York, NY 10112Harold's version of why Unsolved Mysteries backed off of doing the story was that the Leavenworth County Sheriff's Office came up with the National Geographic photo of the vagrant kid in California at that time and convinced Unsolved Mysteries that the case was as good as solved and therefor no need for their involvement. (If the Sheriff's Office couldn't solve the disappearance, they certainly didn't want a TV show coming to town and doing it for them.)Posted by rednekbuddha (KellyPowell) on November 10, 2006 at 5:32 p.m. (Suggest removal)And they would not of spent money to reunite randy with his folks? that would of been tv goldsorry, conspiracy theory again.
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Posted by scott zoeller (anonymous) on November 10, 2006 at 10:18 p.m. (Suggest removal)Im sorry to say as a family member according to some on here, I dont know what Im talking about cause I havent read all the exciting reports that are out there about this case. Im just telling you what I have learned from the diffrent encounters that I have had with my family that I guess according to some, dont mean sh*t and will never help with this case. To people who have been wronged by all of this Im sorry that I tried to offer a peaceful hand and let you know what happened on our end of all of this. Most of all I feel sorry the lone ranger had to call my work today to try to tell me what a bad job i have been doing on providing you with my limited knowlege on the subject of my missing cousin and my lack of insight on this case. This however, will not stop me from continuing to post my feelings and beliefs regarding this ongoing investigation.
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the original four stooges....lt was their botched attempts at investigation that constitutes the original reports.... the same reports that other teams have to start with....hence every three years they have to wade through the b.s and redisregard itThis of course has nothing to do with my earlier rants about harolds antics towards me and his cousins sticking a pistolin my face... which by the way is more than getting my "feelings" hurt....They were and are yayhoos who treated me with the utmost contempt....so now after 18 years of letting them have their say of the matter i finally have gotten a chance to say mypiece on this And once again sweet cheeks, you volunteered for this gig, so my advice is to shut your pretty little mouthand learn from your betters.And on a side note, if it wasnt for me "whining", this thread would of died three days after the article was postedI thoughtyou wanted to find out what happened? Was not the very idea of the play to start dialogue? Dialogue you have got....When some one asks a valid question, they get a valid answer....when they spew the conspiracy theory line, I will descend aponthem like a tone of bricksLet's pose the question to the viewing audience..do you believe that lv. county (It was a differant team by the way....unsolved mysteries officially pulled out around 1999) would tank the investigation on purpose?Posted by rednekbuddha (Kelly Powell) on November 11, 2006 at 10:27 a.m. (Suggest removal)i believe what i am doing here is trying to erase 18 years of wrong headed bullsh!tyou on the other hand have not postedone original question or theoryAll of these questions have been looked at by the kbi....let's disregard Iv county for aminute....The KBI, which i will assume, is a much more professional entityAll of your genius level theories and oh so penetrating questions have been old news for at least ten years....now, while i may vent my spleen at the on going disruptionof my life and the real concern of some idiot decidng to play rambo againand the very real outrage at that abortion of a play....) still can keep a sense of proportion and use my common sense....which tells me that the conspiracy theory is still going on strong. And the people who believe in the conspiracy are, to all common sense, mentally disturbed.Posted by rednekbuddha (Kelly Powell) on November 11, 2006 at 10:45 a.m. (Suggest removal)And as I have stated before, it was harold leachs' and terry martin/harry lee harper who really screwed the pooch about getting a tv show to cover it (other then jaerry springer...which quite frankly is where it belongs now)look up the lj worldarticle in 93.. it is in black and white....so you all must pardon me if I call bullsh!t on thisAnd to correct my self, ift was 96or 97 when they officially pulled out....still ten years after the original team.
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Posted by Robert Marble (anonymous) on November 11, 2006 at 11:49 a.m. (Suggest removal)katman....wrong fkkn answer. By attacking Kelly's position you attack mine by implication. This is where I've gotta slap you down. First you have have failed to identify yourself either on the board or by email. Posting from a position of cowardice automatically negates any validity to your opinion. It is exactly that type of childish & random background noise that has helped cloud the issues for years. You're doing nothing but attempting to stir the pot by taking lame shots from the sidelines; if this is your best attempt at obtaining some persoanal validation I'd suggest you try a different route- it doesn't fly here. We have spent 18 years dealing with the real repercussions of being falsely implicated in a murder investigation. You refer to that as "hurt feelings" or attempting to be "the center of attention". Being the center of attention is a role that has been forced upon us. The negative fallout is real. Death threats, repeated abuse by corrupt law enforcement personnel, theft of personal property, being held at gunpoint on numerous occasions, and unremovable & permanent derogatory information in our background files are one the tip of the iceberg as far as the fallout goes. And here's the bonus: this isn't a one time thing in the past that goes away. It's ongoing & we're the ones living it. So yeah we'll take offense when some dirtbag such as yourself tries to chime in with pointless yammering. Do you have any reason to be involved with this at all? I suspect not. So you're just looking for some vicarious thrill most likely. Get a life jackass. Let the people with an actual reason to be involved try to sort through this- you're merely a detriment. If there is any reason you can contribute here then do so. But if you're just here for cheap sniping from the sidelines, take you're own advice and grow up. Personally I'd much rather discuss this with you in person. I'll be coming to town shortly. Do you believe in your statements with such conviction that you could possibly have enough testicular fortitude to make them in person? Highly doubtuful, but here is your opportunity.
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by Robert Marble (anonymous) on November 11, 2006 at 2:23 p.m. (Suggest removal) smaltowngirl...I replied to you email but it keeps getting bounced backPosted by smalltowngirl26 (anonymous) on November 11, 2006 at 3:17 p.m. (Suggest removal)do you believe that lv. county (It was a differant team by the way....unsolved mysteries officially pulled out around 1999) would tank the investigation on purpose?No, I would not like to think that. But I do think they were a bunch of idiots and would try to cover up their hack job.Posted by smalltowngirl26 (anonymous) on November 11, 2006 at 3:22 p.m. (Suggest removal) received-thank you
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Posted by Robert Marble (anonymous) on November 11, 2006 at 4:23 p.m. (Suggest removal)...And while we're on the subject of people with nothing to contribute who choose to do so anyway...time to start the a$$hole abridged version of the misinformation they've chosen to contribute: 9/21/88 James Napier says he heard jason king, Rob Marble, Kelly Powell, Ken huffman left party with Randy.8/18/88tony burns tells chief robertson (i assume from edwardsville or bonner) he once attended a black mass, and he things Marble and Powell are responsible for Randy's disappearance.5/2/88 Holly Brauer says she saw Rob and Kelly with Randy at walmart on k7 in Bonner on 4/21/88.4/25/88 derek mccollum said he thinks Powell and Marble did something to Randy.ok that's enough for now...I'll add more $hitbags to the list as needed. So with these names & statements in mind, it should further reinforce to all of you the nature of the witchhunt mentality at the time. It also underscores the fundamental lack of intelligence and gullibility of the aforementioned individuals. Of course none of their statements are remotely true, & they had no reason to think so. It's merely several examples of small town idiots who are so dull witted that they seized upon the first chance for a little excitement in their pathetic lives- even in they had to embellish / create the facts to do so. That list is far from complete, they just happen to be the ones listed on the top few papers in the stack of reports that I was browsing this morning. The incompetence of the sheriff's department has manifested as a double edged sword. l't caught us in a ton of crap, but it's also the reason we were able to gain access to the documents which at least provide the names, dates, and statements of the accusers. Which bets the question: do you inbreeds really believe your own bs? Because if so & you do believe these things you've accused us of, then you should probably be terrified by the fact that we've found out. After all, if we are these vicious satanic murderers, then you'd all probably be facing some serious retaliation wouldn't ya?...But if you don't believe it, then why make false statements in the first place?..ugh...what a load of crap.
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Posted by pagan idolator (anonymous) on November 11, 2006 at 5:17 p.m. (Suggest removal)Okay - been reading this with interest. Yes - Harold and Alberta Leach must be completely tormented by whats happened to their son. As a parent I can think of nothing worse. However - Kelly is someones son as well and had a GUN stuck in his face! Just because your kid goes missing does not give you, or your relatives, the right to assault someone else's kid. Being a parent of 3 adult boys I can assure you that if anyone stuck a gun in their faces I would kill that person. Him and everyone smeared with this crap should be apologized to immediately. I would also like to know what happened to Randy Leach but I won't resort to nasty innuendos and name calling to find out. This is probably been thought of by better minds than mine but what is the possibility that Randy was taken home in his car, left sleeping in it, with the keys and woke up and tried to drive somewhere and drove into one of those ponds, possibly being too drunk to avoid it? Teenage boys do some incredibly stupid things - especially while drinking.
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Posted by Spider (anonymous) on November 11, 2006 at 6:21 p.m. (Suggest removal)Trust me, there is nothing worse than possibly losing your kid. pagan_idolator, you sound like a good, passionate mother. I used to be a peace-loving, turn the other cheek person. That was until I became a mother. At that point, I became a tigris. I would kill for my kid, no problem. I totally understand the passion and frustration of the Leaches. I also try to understand what the other people who got caught up in this must feel. I have not been put in that position, fortunately. This whole thing is such a tragedy. So many people have been dragged into this.I have tried to figure out what happened to Randy. I want so badly to find out, so we can end this for the Leaches, and for everyone else affected by this.Who was the last person to have the keys to his car? Were all of the local lakes checked for him and his car?I have been at a point a few times myself when I was so drunk I could not remember how I got home. I am ashamed to admit I have driven drunk myself at times.Did Randy have the keys to his car when he was last seen?Posted by Robert Marble (anonymous) on November 11, 2006 at 7:09 p.m. (Suggest removal)I personally harbor no ill will towards Harold or Ablerta. I beleive that in their position they should be given a wide degree of latitude. I even owe Harold a mention of thanks. Many years ago I was out hitchhiking between Lawrence and Linwood & it started rainining- more of a deluge actually; the kind of driving rain that cut your visibility to about 3 feet. Harold was driving by and was kind enough to stop & drive me to my desitination. Thank you, Harold.The same consideration does not hold true for anyone else. Especially the next addition to the scumbag list, roger rose. Roger, your actions have defined you as both a coward and an idiot. I'm calling you out here, roger. If you still have something to say to me here are your options: say it here on the public forum, or contact me at my email address several postings up & we can arrange a meeting. You've dishonored your family & subjected them to ridicule collectively. Individually, you're made yourself a laughingstock for your interference and bumbling. You threats and brandishing of a firearm make you a criminal. But I suspect you're nothing but a meth addicted blowhard. You seemed to have something you wanted to say back in '93 when you were tweeking, do you still have the cojones, joe dirt? I'm sure you can find somebody literate enough to read this to you...contact me and we can talk.Posted by Robert Marble (anonymous) on November 11, 2006 at 7:23 p.m. (Suggest removal)As I have no doubt fy county personnel are monitoring the blog, my next attempt at communication is directed to Dave zeolner , new sheriff of leavenworth. Dave I have truthfully relayed numerous events of the case on this board. The
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nye, along with the suboridinate personnel-spaks & spellman. Perhaps leadership is th on the former leaders of that clusterf*ck, terry campbell and herbert e key factor here. Had someone competent been at the helm originally, the negligence of the subordinates should have been corrected. I extend to you the opportunity to establish a dialogue. This case flares up on such a preditable cycle that you WILL be seeking me for more questions/ statements eventually. And I want an apology for the illegal abuses suffered as a result of the previous deficient leadership. Also, the return of the property confiscated in '88 with the promise of return as soon as testing was complete (which was completed within months) is long overdue. Dave, take this opportunity to turn a new leaf for your organization. This is your chance to put the investigation back on track & overcome the huge blemish on the reputation of the leavenworth county sheriffs department. It would be the rational thing to do.Posted by smalltowngir126 (anonymous) on November 13, 2006 at 1:06 p.m. (Suggest removal) Wow, call out the police and all action on this blog has ceased.Post a comment(Requires free LiWorItLcornsegistratian.. Your lawrence,com account will also work, if you have one.)Username:Password:(Forgotten your password?)Comment:Preview commentContents of this site are © Copyright 2006 The Lawrence Journal-World. All rights reserved. Privacy Policy I Contact I Advertise with us I About us I Feedback I RSS Posted by rednekbuddha (Kelly Powell) on November 13, 2006 at 5:23 p.m. (Suggest removal)The differance between me and you rob is that I was here when the terry martin crap broke out....So i do harbor ill will....The fact that they tried to bribe me to roll over on you should piss you off as well. Also roger rose had a knife to ken huffmans throat according to police reports....i tried to talk to rogey boy after I dropped charges on him, but the sad sack of crap would not talk to me....I hear he has been telling family members a very watered down version of what happened that nightToo bad there were five witnessesthere( roger, you are so lucky that it was wimp night at my house..)spider: It is pretty much established that nobody knows anything about who was the last to have randy's keys(if anybody)and that little blurb in the play stating that a personwould STILL have them seems really farfetched.what amazes me is that detective dawn weston only got fired for releasing the police reportsher and martin should of done federal timewhich begs a question.... Are thepolice reports even valid evidence anymore? Not that i care, but it is an interesting notion.Posted by rednekbuddha (Kelly Powell) on November 13, 2006 at 5:26 p.m. (Suggest removal)
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Posted by rednekbuddha (Kelly Powell) on November 13, 2006 at 5:26 p.m. (Suggest removal)Way early on in this thread, blue collar pirate stated that terry martin did a thurough job investigatingSorry, but that is crapAll martin did was get three innocent people thrown in jail for a weekend and helped cement the satanic drug cartel theory into urban legend.Posted by Spider (anonymous) on November 13, 2006 at 5:27 p.m. (Suggest removal)I hope not, smalltowngirl. I have a feeling things will come to a head soon. Let's see this thing to the end. We have made progress, and maybe an end is in sight. Public discourse is good for revealing truth (at least sometimes). Rob has bravely stuck his neck out. We need to show support. Come on people!The truth is out there.Posted by rednekbuddha (Kelly Powell) on November 13, 2006 at 9:12 p.m. (Suggest removal)spider: Do you really think there will be a breakthrough? not to be too cynical, but I really doubt there will be anyground breaking info coming from this conversationSofar, other then rob and me, it has been the same old same oldAnd our info has beenverbally spoken a hundred times.Posted by Robert_Marble (anonymous) on November 13, 2006 at 9:20 p.m. (Suggest removal) Understandable, Kelly....I was in N. Carolina at the time. And yes I've highly pissed at the crap those idiots tried to pull- except for the parts that are so absurd I can only laugh. When I say I harbor no ill will towards Howard & Alberta, it does not mean that I condone any of their actions. I just cut 'em some slack because Randy was their son. That courtesy does not extend to any other member of their family however. Especially roger. That scumbag should be publicly executed by the federal government as an object lesson in the cultural merits of capital punishment. I dunno, I suppose if Harold or Alberta were actually publicly accuse me then I'd change my mind. But hell, that whole area has produced enough mutual enemies for us because of this case that we should probably split 'em up into groups. It'll make the logistics much simpler that way. I'll deal with the idiots on the east side of linwood, you take the idiots west.Posted by rednekbuddha (Kelly Powell) on November 15, 2006 at 7:21 a.m. (Suggest removal)I hear cricketsprepare for an ambush.Posted by Spider (anonymous) on November 15, 2006 at 5:14 p.m. (Suggest removal)Yes, Kelly, I think things will come to a head soon. You and Rob want the same thing everyone else involved in this case do--the truth. The truth will set you free--who said that? Maybe I am naive, but I really believe that.Posted by Spider (anonymous) on November 16, 2006 at 6:54 p.m. (Suggest removal) Please contact me, Kelly or Rob. It is very important.
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Posted by Robert_Marble (anonymous) on November 17, 2006 at 4:31 p.m. (Suggest removal)Content of letter I sent to leavenworth sheriffs office 17Nov06:Dave,I want the items confiscated during sparks' & spellman's search of my car in '88 returned to me. I was told by those two that I could get the items back as soon as testing was completed. I've asked hundreds of times since then, and have been lied to repeatedly. Thanks to leaked case files, I now have proof that testing was completed shortly after I turned the items (2 knives, 2 books) over to the detectives. So let's knock off the games please. Testing has long ago been completed; return my property to me. I will be visiting Lawrence shortly, so please reply quickly. The best method of contacting me is by the following email address: robert.marble@pcc.edu Posted by yammytam (anonymous) on November 18, 2006 at 12:39 a.m. (Suggest removal)wow i see this place has been very busy in my absencePosted by yammytam (anonymous) on November 18, 2006 at 12:41 a.m. (Suggest removal)Hey Rob and Kelly did you know Derrek McCollum sp? is a cop in KCMO nowPosted by rednekbuddha (Kelly Powell) on November 18, 2006 at 10:04 a.m. (Suggest removal)yeah, i heard thatI'll reserve judgement and assume he grew a brain somewhere along the way.RobObviously i was right about an ambushcontact me before you give a list ofdemands , so we can be on the same page....no negotiations and no hagglingAll ornothing brotherPosted by Robert Marble (anonymous) on November 18, 2006 at 10:08 a.m. (Suggest removal)YuPPosted by Robert_Marble (anonymous) on November 18, 2006 at 10:24 a.m. (Suggest removal)I heard that last time I was in town, Tammy. I hope he's developed a better sense of integrity since he made false & misleading statements to the leavenworth sheriffs dept. back in '88, directly trying to implicate us- I've posted one or two of his comments from the files a few postings up.
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Posted by kudrama (anonymous) on November 18, 2006 at 3:03 p.m. (Suggest removal)Have you two come to an agreement on your list yet?Posted by Spider (anonymous) on November 18, 2006 at 10:37 p.m. (Suggest removal)We can get an end to all this drama. In the Rodney King tradition, if everyone could just get together and talk, they could find a solution to all of this. We must try to understand each other. Kelly, you could reach relative peace if you could meet with Harold and Alberta and know why they feel the way they do, and Harold and Alberta can know why you feel the way you do by knowing what you have been through. I think they have no idea. THey are good people. Trust me.I feel it is time to get together and talk.People need to get together and talk. I know the Leaches, and I have grown to love them. They are very sweet people who have lost their onlly child. I have also gotten to know Rob and others who have been dragged into this mess, and I have confidence he and Kelly had nothing to do with Randy's disapearance. It is sad to me that this thing has seemingly ruined innocent people's lives.I am at a point in my life where I can blame no one for how my life has turned out. But there are people who should not say the same. Rob and Kelly are both very intelligent people who can change their lives if they want to at this point.I hope you can meet with the Leaches and reach an understanding. Maybe it is not too late to find out what really happened to Randy. Whatever that is, Alberta and Harold want to know. It is a parent thing. I totally understand.I think a very important thing is to find out what happened to other people involved in this, and to try to save them. I guess you could call me a freak.Posted by rednekbuddha (Kelly Powell) on November 19, 2006 at 3:48 a.m. (Suggest removal)This is the first time we have had a public forum on this issue, and to me this has been long overduewhat strikes me as odd is now harold and his wife want to have a sit down with rob and me...If i was a paranoid person, I would be pondering why now? i have never claimed that this has ruined my life....That would be whining and while it would be typical in this day and age to explain away my myriad fck ups and poor decisions on anything but myself.... i refuse to play that game. What i have been trying to point out is the double standard that has been prevalent all these years and how people with a witch hunt mentality feel justified in either commiting or condoning illegal and dishonorable actions...if they thought they could get away with it, they would of tied me and rob down and tortured us ....so i hope i have misread this, because i am confused on
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what you mean by us changing our lives ...first, you know nothing about our lives other then what you have read here or asked of our friend joe baldwin and others...Secondly , what do you mean settle things in the rodney king tradition? does not that involve a viscous beating with clubs? and thirdly,while i would consider having a sit down with them, i believe it is quite evident how and why they feel....And as for relative peacei dare anybody to find one scrap of evidence or even rumor that i or rob have ever once broke the peace with the leach family or any of the idiots who told the cops false statements.as I stated earlier, this is the first time we have had a public voice on thisAnd i admiti allowed venom to tinge some of my responsesbut that in no way alters the truth of my words or the validity of trying to break the cycle of another witch hunt. so , quite frankly, This open forum has and is doing me, rob, and the case more good then anything else that has happened in the last 18 years.Harold and alberta have had much to say andnumerous opportunitys to say it...And rightly sonow it is rob and mines turnand while some may not like what we have to say, you cannot doubt that we are being more fair and honest then what was thrown at us.Posted by Spider (anonymous) on November 19, 2006 at 7:38 a.m. (Suggest removal)What I meant by the Rodney King thing is trying to end this with a group hug, so to speak--you know, his famous "Why can't we all just get along?" While I said it has ruined your lives, what I meant was that it has dogged you all of your lives. Everything I have heard about you is that you are very intelligent, even brilliant. I can tell that by the wording in your postings, as well as what various people have told me about you.What you have said has certainly altered my views on the incident--100 percent. I now have a greater understanding of the feelings of other people involved.True, this blog has brought us closer to the truth.I got caught up in this because I wanted to help the Leaches find out what happened to Randy. I know too well what it feels like to have a child go missing. I am sure you know by now that my daughter disappeared for two weeks when she was near Randy's age. It was pure hell for me.Ask Joe what kind of a person I am. At this point, all I want is for this thing to end. I want the pain the Leaches are feeling to be eased. I want them to know that you and Rob had nothing to do with Randy being gone. I want you and Rob to finally find peace and stop being harassed by the cops.
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Posted by rednekbuddha (Kelly Powell) on November 19, 2006 at 7:52 a.m. (Suggest removal)thank you for clarifying Posted by yammytam (anonymous) on November 19, 2006 at 7:37 p.m. (Suggest removal)my aunt used to live with donavon mcleary and she said he used to have nightmares and said things has anyone ever questioned him i wonderPosted by Spider (anonymous) on November 20, 2006 at 5:25 p.m. (Suggest removal) Nightmares about what? Can you be more specific? What things did he say?Posted by Robert Marble (anonymous) on November 21, 2006 at 5:11 p.m. (Suggest removal)I have arrived....the letter to the sheriff mentioned above didn't wind up getting mailed until today; damn procrastination. I just spoke with dave Zoelner on the phone to inquire about the property in question & when I could expect it's return. This was my first opportunity to speak with dave, and so far he does seem to be far more professional than herb nye was- so I will reserve judgement until I have enough facts to form a reasoned opinion. He told me that he will check into the property situation; after 18 years I did not expect him to know the disposition off hand. So hopefully the correct decision will be reached.Posted by Robert_Marble (anonymous) on November 23, 2006 at 11:19 a.m. (Suggest removal)...whoa, what the hell was I thinking? This IS leavenworth we're talking about. I dunno where that uncharacteristic optimism came from.Posted by Spider (anonymous) on November 23, 2006 at 6:22 p.m. (Suggest removal)When people have accused me of pessimism, I tell them that it is realism, not pessimism. However, a little optimism now and then can't hurt, Rob. It is sometimes called hope, which is never a bad thing. Sometimes hope is the only thing that sustains a person. I know this from personal experience for too many reasons.I also believe in giving people a second chance and/or the benefit of the doubt. I have learned this lesson the hard way several times when I have judged people without waiting to hear the whole story (I think you know what I mean there, at least in one instance).Yes, we are talking about cops. But they are like anyone else. There are good cops and bad cops. LV Co. seemed to have had more than its share of bad cops in the past, but hey, you never know.
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Posted by smalltowngir126 (anonymous) on November 27, 2006 at 6:16 p.m. (Suggest removal) Anyone know why all Rob's comments have been deleted?Posted by rednekbuddha (Kelly Powell) on November 28, 2006 at 6:51 a.m. (Suggest removal)that's weird...they were here last night even after you postedPosted by rednekbuddha (Kelly Powell) on November 28, 2006 at 7:22 a.m. (Suggest removal)And rob says he never asked for them to be deleted....this has to be a glitch, because usually they still show the posters' name where a comment was deleted.Posted by smalltowngir126 (anonymous) on November 28, 2006 at 12:45 p.m. (Suggest removal)did you forward my email to him?Posted by smalltowngir126 (anonymous) on November 28, 2006 at 12:47 p.m. (Suggest removal)It seems like his account has been deleted, b/c when I try to reply to him it just says page does not exsist.Posted by rednekbuddha (Kelly Powell) on November 28, 2006 at 5:11 p.m. (Suggest removal)he called me this morning and said his computer still is showing it....hmmmPosted by rednekbuddha (Kelly Powell) on November 28, 2006 at 5:20 p.m. (Suggest removal)even if his account was deleted...would not his psast comments still be here?Posted by smalltowngir126 (anonymous) on November 29, 2006 at 12:11 p.m. (Suggest removal)I don't know but it is strange. Especially that you could see the comments after I posted that they were gone and he can still see them. Has he tried posting since?Posted by yammytam (anonymous) on November 29, 2006 at 5:41 p.m. (Suggest removal)I wasnt trying to implicate him but if he knows something he should step forward.Even if its something minor to him it could mean something to someone else.My aunt said he would say things then clam up and he often had nightmares.The only thing she would tell me is that there is a field by a house that sits just northeast of the old bridge and that someone should check into that.And you didnt hurt my feelings I am just sharing what I know and what I have heard over the years.I knew Donavon very well at one time we even lived together when he was dating my other aunt who was killed by drunk drivers.I know that he is not capable of murder.And if I knew how to get ahold of him I would call him and ask him about these things that my aunt said.But I dont know where he isanyways everyone enjoying our little ice storm??
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Posted by Spider (anonymous) on December 1, 2006 at 6:45 p.m. (Suggest removal) What the heck is going on? What happened to Rob?Posted by yammytam (anonymous) on December 1, 2006 at 7:36 p.m. (Suggest removal) maybe the police took itPosted by Spider (anonymous) on December 2, 2006 at 6:51 a.m. (Suggest removal)If they knew Rob, they wouldn't do that. He is a patriotic man who served his country in the Army for over ten years. He is not the same person he was when he in the teenage rebellion years of his youth. He has integrity, and he just wants the truth, like the rest of us.Please reinstate Rob, JW. He can help, and he wants to.Posted by Spider (anonymous) on December 2, 2006 at 7:15 p.m. (Suggest removal)Kelly, I would really like to hear from you. If you want to speak with me, please ask Rob for my email address. I have made a complete turnaround in this case. I would like to see justice for you. I would like to apologize for the pain this has caused you. I really want to hear from you. As I have said, ask Joe or Rob what they think of me.I am friends with Harold and Alberta. But I am also friends with the truth. I want to see justice for everyone. I know that you have been shat upon many times in the past. I would really like that to end. As with others, I want communication and as much of an end as possible to this whole thing.I know that you are a good guy. I have heard that from several people whom I trust.Please trust me. My sister and I got into this in the first place to find out what happened to Randy for the Leaches. We planned to write a book, and the book keeps changing. If we can find out what happened to Randy without writing a book, I will be very glad.I am an honorable person. Unlike many people you have encountered, you can trust me.
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Posted by Spider (anonymous) on December 3, 2006 at 7:55 p.m. (Suggest removal) At the risk of being kicked off like Rob did, I ask the question: Why did Rob get deleted from the blog? Journal World, will you provide the answer? Did "someone" demand it, and why? Getting too close to the truth? And why aren't you answering Rob's emails and phone messages?I thought this was a free country where you are allowed to express your opinion. Who is trying to suppress that? We have to ask ourselves why.Rob served our country for many years, defending our rights. Now, it is time we stood up for him.People on the blog--if I get deleted like Rob did, please stand up for your rights and his. This is a free country. Remember that. Ask yourselves and the LV police why that happened.Be very careful. The truth is out there.Posted by smalltowngir126 (anonymous) on December 3, 2006 at 8:05 p.m. (Suggest removal)I don't remember him writing anything controversial - he just told LV he wants his crap back.Posted by Tracker416 (anonymous) on December 6, 2006 at 10:49 a.m. (Suggest removal)I have followed this conversation for some time but find it real hard not to comment. I know Kelly and Rob also as I spoke to them years ago. And I suspect they are upstanding gentlemen. What I can't understand is you Spider saying you know Rob is patriotic and Kelly is a good man. When you started commenting here you were right into their case. But now you are wanting to be their friend....Let me tell you they are also very wise people and can see right thru your words. If fact you posted it here by saying you want to write a book. You are also good friends with Harold & Alberta and I assume you have talked to them about their side which as you surely saw if you attended the show, they have numerous theories. It appears small info was heard and it soon become absolute evidence and that is why Kelly and Rob are involved. If you continually attempt to get your "book" info this way, your book will turn out like the play did.Remember; if youstand outside the forest and listen, you can hear the wind blowing thru the trees*
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Posted by Spider (anonymous) on December 6, 2006 at 5:55 p.m. (Suggest removal)Well, Tracker, I have some news for you. I have been emailing Rob, and I have met with him personally for several hours (yes, in person). I do know him to be an upstanding person. If you know him like you say, ask him about me. Also, you probably know Joe Baldwin, a good friend of both of them. I work with Joe. Ask him about me. I am just a person who wants to know the truth. As far as the book goes, I wanted to write it initially to help shed some truth on this whole thing. If we can do this without me having to write a book, I welcome that. It is a lot of work to write a book. I work at least 50 hours a week at my regular job, and I don't have much spare time.I have become friends with the Leaches. They are good, sweet people who have lost their only child. They just want to know what happened to him. I want to help them do that. The book was just a way to do that, or so I thought. I have written another book, and I did not make any money from that. In fact, I lost a lot. But I felt like it was my duty to write that book.I know Rob is patriotic because I know he served his country for more than ten years. Joe has told me Kelly is a good man who has been hurt by this whole thing. I had no idea about all the crap that Rob and Kelly have had to deal with concerning this until I talked to Rob at the home of the Leaches. Yes, Tracker, Rob met with me and the Leaches for over four hours to talk and clear the air. I was very impressed with Rob.I don't want to "be their friend." I just want them to get a fair shake. As I have saidbefore, I have made a complete turnaround. I am ashamed that I had been willing to judge without knowing all the facts.It is no fun writing a book. The end for this book may never come. All I want is for the Leaches to find out what happened to their son, and for the innocent people who got sucked up in this to be finally left alone.If youi do indeed know Rob, ask him about me. He has my email address, and I will gladly speak to you if you want.I know a lot of years have passed since Randy disappeared (or whatever). People have changed. Please understand: The book is periferal to this whole thing. I hope I don't have to write it to get to the truth.I appreciate your input, but you got me wrong. I don't know Rob well, but I know him better than you think. Not everything is as it seems. If Rob weren't banned from this blog, he would no doubt agree with me.After talking at length with Rob, Harold and Alberta have changed their minds about him. They saw what a good man he is, and how he and Kelly have been wronged. I don't know if you are a parent, but if you are, please consider how you would feel if your child disappeared off the face of the Earth. I know how that feels, because it happened to me.If you want to speak to me via email or phone, let me know. Communication is very important.
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Posted by innocuousposts (anonymous) on December 6, 2006 at 7:43 p.m. (Suggest removal) "Posted by Spider (anonymous) on December 3, 2006 at 7:55 p.m. (Suggest removal) At the risk of being kicked off like Rob did, I ask the question: Why did Rob get deleted from the blog? Journal World, will you provide the answer? Did "someone" demand it, and why? Getting too close to the truth? And why aren't you answering Rob's emails and phone messages?"Spider, the people who run this board are not very forthcoming with information about why posters get erased. One would think that a discussion board associated with a newspaper would try to be more responsive and transparent. That doesn't seem to be the case.Posted by Spider (anonymous) on December 7, 2006 at 6:37 p.m. (Suggest removal)Thanks, innocuous, for your response. It is appreciated. Anyone who would like to email me about this is welcome. I am somewhat amazed that this blog has lasted as long as it has. The Journal World has changed a quite a bit in the last few years. A few years back, a blog such as this would have never survived as long as it has. I have to give them credit for that. I think they want to get to the bottom of this as much as most of us do, but they have certain considerations the rest of us do not.I was under the impression that blogs such as this are free from lawsuits about slander and such--Am I wrong about that? Blogs such as this are for people to freely express opinions without such fears.The Journal World need not fear such things. The blog is just a forum for opinions.I am happy to see so many people involved in this and trying to help the Leaches find out what happened to their son.I feel like I have connected with some of the people and even sorta made friends with them. There are a lot of people who care about other people they don't even know.At the risk of sounding sappy, I really do think people are good at heart and care about each other. When my daughter disappeared, many people reached out and embrased me. I wonder how I would have survived without them.I hope we can do the same for the Leaches.
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Posted by mykeeshond (anonymous) on December 11, 2006 at 7:27 p.m. (Suggest removal)People following this blog might want to know that "Leaves of Words," the play by Tim Macy which started this whole discussion, is going to have a benefit performance at 7:30 PM on Saturday January 20, 2007 at the Lawrence Arts Center....People who missed the play last October, or who might want to see it again, will have one more chance to doso....After this, the production travels to Ames, Iowa, where it will have two
RobertMarble (anonymous) says…
There you go, folks. For all the people who straggle in and read this board since it appeared back in '06- I've just completed reposting of vast sections which were inexplicable suppressed by the Journal World staff. No explanation was ever given and all attempts at seeking resolution were rebuffed. Since I had seen several people posting lately that they "had read the entire thread" I felt the need to post the ACTUAL entire thread. If you're going to delve into this, please do so in it's entirety. Partial information has proven dangerous already.
Informed (anonymous) says…
Holy Flux Capacitor, Batman! The time-space continuum is certainly out of whack again. Must be the cold air.
Dejacrew423 (anonymous) says…
Keeping it alive, yea!!
yammytam (anonymous) says…
Hi everyone been awhile since I checked on this thread and just got caught up on all the reading. Hey Kelly Hey Rob how have you guys been. I went to our 20th reunion you guys didnt miss much I sure missed you guys though. We did a dual reunion with the class of 87 and 88. If you are on facebook or myspace look me up I am on both (facebook more than myspace) Still praying Harold and Alberta find the answers............if they ever want to meet with me or anything I am here.
RobertMarble (anonymous) says…
Hi Tammy. I wasn't able to get into town in time for the reunion, so glad to hear I didn't miss much. Not much changing here but at least the thread is still around, and I've reposted all the stuff that got censored back in '06. good to see you back!
Dejacrew423 (anonymous) says…
Soooooo about the Randy Leach case.......what's everyone's theories?
Dejacrew423 (anonymous) says…
Muhahahahaha!
Dejacrew423 (anonymous) says…
Any new information? :-)
puddleglum (anonymous) says…
interesting...
now I wonder about the circumstances involving my brother....
and now, I might get some real answers
somebodynew (anonymous) says…
Will this thing never end??? There is no new info, but people keep posting something (=bs) just to keep it going. Good god, (I will stop now).
Dejacrew423 (anonymous) says…
That somebody that keeps posting new stuff is me..... and I only do it because I think it's funny. Thank you for giving me the reaction I look forward to seeing! :-)
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