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No excuses

November 4, 2006

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To the editor:

I couldn't agree more with E.G. Hickman (Nov. 2, Public Forum) and his view regarding voting. However, I feel that they were too kind in a way. As I see it, there are few excuses for not voting. As citizens of this republic, we have many options at our disposal in which to cast a ballot such as early voting and absentee ballots.

I have heard many lame excuses as to why some decide not to vote, the most common one is "My vote doesn't count." Wrong.

I lived in Florida in 2000, and tried to vote. Sadly, due to a clerical mix-up, I was not registered to vote. How many votes swung the election in Florida? 583? Anyone who says their vote doesn't count, then complains about their local, state or federal government and their representatives should know that they gave up the right to pitch a fit. You only get to gripe if you vote. No matter which side of the political fence you are on, it is now time to exercise your right to be heard. In other words, put up or shut up. Is that simple enough?

Steve Craven,

Lawrence

Comments

Tom Shewmon 7 years, 5 months ago

Very good point, blessed3x, very good!

You're right--hypocrites!! The funny thing is, they really don't even know it in their frothy hate-filled state.

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blessed3x 7 years, 5 months ago

All this concern over whether or not your vote counts and how important it is to vote seemed to be sorely lacking two weeks ago when Sebelius told us that if re-elected she would work to reverse the people's vote for KSB members by assigning her own hand-picked person to "oversee" (read overrule) any decision the voter-elected board made. Hypocrits.

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bearded_gnome 7 years, 5 months ago

that "count" you site was not by the same rules in place before the 2000 election. when standard rules were maintained, 500 some odd votes in favor of GWB. and, remember florida, your guy had lawyers suppressing the overseas military vote! really supporting the troops, that! if AlGore hadn't suppressed the overseas military vote the GWB margin would have been greater. if the lefty-leaning media hadn't prematurely called the state for AlGore, the panhandle voters (in another timezone) wouldn't have been demoralized...thought to account for 2K voters or more for GWB. and, you're saying "massive" doesn't make it so: nobody, I repeat nobody has been charged with breaking the law RE florida election 2000 official decisions. try reading real news sources instead of listening to air pollution america radio!

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Curtiss 7 years, 5 months ago

Boy, you guys really like that conspiracy theory stuff, huh?

I haven't seen anybody mention black helicopters here except the people claiming that this is all a crazy conspiracy.

Short (recent) history lesson for the pathetically ignorant:

The Bush campaign chief for Florida ran the election. There was massive cheating. Her state office, in violation of state law, was turned into Republican campaign headquarters. The mainstream media, curious about who would have won Florida if the votes were really counted, paid for a professional audit. The results were, if the votes were counted, Gore won the state by thousands of votes.

This was actually in the newspapers, not broadcast by black helicopters to people in tinfoil hats.

Could be that what you think are wild-eyed conspiracies are actually stories that were in the news, but you failed to read them. So grumbling about black helicopters is just a display of your ignorance.

Oh, and hey, Pilgrim. Got a second to explain what in the hell this has to do with Machiavelli?

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bearded_gnome 7 years, 5 months ago

look ma' no fringies! wow! must be TVO'ing sex in the city or desperate housewives...bye-bye

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bearded_gnome 7 years, 5 months ago

this lte is noble and correct. we have so much convenience in voting. however, some eligible voters choose "none of the above" by not participating. we should add a "none of the above" option to all ballots to up participation.


just 7 posts, already got the 2000 and 2004 black helicopter wacko conspiracy theories in. when I check back, will the moon be called a fantasy too? or, we didn't really land on the moon? hehhehhehhehhehhehhehhehheh! 'bring out your fringies! bring out your fringies!'

no proof of systematic voting machine hacking or systematic 2000 vote suppression, just errors in both democrat and republican jurisdictions...human error...becomes dark sinister black helicopters messing with your precious bodily fluids!

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Irish_Prince 7 years, 5 months ago

But of course most democrats don't like to talk about that.

Nor do they like to talk about the fact that Al Gore lost his home state of Tennessee that year.----Which is kinda sad, really.

Because, more often than not, presidential candidates usually win their home state (whether they win the election or not).

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Irish_Prince 7 years, 5 months ago

His point is well-taken.

However, it's worth mentioning that the 100,000 plus Floridians in 2000 who voted for Ralph Nadar......they are the ones who really "threw" that election.

They most certainly would have voted for Al Gore over George Bush.....if Nadar hadn't run.

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Tom Shewmon 7 years, 5 months ago

"In other words, put up or shut up. Is that simple enough?" -Steve Craven

I like that though....good choice of words, Steve!

KISS (keep it simple stupid)

VOTE OR SHUT THE HELL UP!!!!

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Tom Shewmon 7 years, 5 months ago

I was gonna weigh in, but twixed post 1, 2 and 3....just forget it.....HAHAHAHAHA!!!!

But I will say the Steve assumes alot and, well you know what they say.....

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Pilgrim 7 years, 5 months ago

Posted by Curtiss (anonymous) on November 4, 2006 at 10:48 a.m.

Sorry to tell you this, Steve, but if you had managed to vote in Florida in 2000, and you did not vote for Bush, your vote would not have counted.

As for "how many votes swung the election in Florida," actually it was several thousand votes in favor of Al Gore.

Unfortunately, they weren't officially counted.

So they don't count.

They main point of your letter is a good one, that if you don't participate you better be happy with what you get.

But your idealistic view that everyone's vote really counts has been under attack by powerful forces (like Diebold computers with no paper trail, from a company that promised to deliver the 2004 vote for Bush), and we've arrived at the point where, when you vote, you don't even know if your vote was registered accurately, much less likely to be counted at the end of the vote.


Chicken Little, meet Turkey Lurkey. Maybe she'll buy into your Machiavellian fantasy.

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Jamesaust 7 years, 5 months ago

I applaud the general theme but how again would adding or subtracting by +1/-1 change a margin of 583 to 584 or 582 (unfortunately, the letter's author does not reveal to which candidate his VOTE THAT WOULD HAVE CHANGED THE DESTINY OF MANKIND FOREVER! would have gone - perhaps with the overlooked Buchanan crowd?)?

Personally, I believe voting should be as mandatory as paying taxes and jury service (but unfortunately I can't get a quorum to vote this in!).

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Curtiss 7 years, 5 months ago

Sorry to tell you this, Steve, but if you had managed to vote in Florida in 2000, and you did not vote for Bush, your vote would not have counted.

As for "how many votes swung the election in Florida," actually it was several thousand votes in favor of Al Gore.

Unfortunately, they weren't officially counted.

So they don't count.

They main point of your letter is a good one, that if you don't participate you better be happy with what you get.

But your idealistic view that everyone's vote really counts has been under attack by powerful forces (like Diebold computers with no paper trail, from a company that promised to deliver the 2004 vote for Bush), and we've arrived at the point where, when you vote, you don't even know if your vote was registered accurately, much less likely to be counted at the end of the vote.

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