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Police find drugs, guns in stolen cars outside downtown nightclub

May 23, 2006

Lawrence Police seized a sawed-off shotgun, a rifle and drugs during the weekend from cars parked in the 700 block of New Hampshire - the latest in a series of gun seizures near a popular night club.

Early Sunday morning police were patrolling the parking lot of Borders Books & Music, 700 N.H., when they saw a shotgun on the floor of a green Toyota Camry parked in the lot, LPD spokeswoman Kim Murphree said. They also checked the registration of a gray Toyota Camry parked next to it and found it had been reported stolen from a Kansas City rental company.

About 3:11 a.m., shortly after the 3 a.m. closing time for Last Call, a nightclub at 729 N.H., officers saw a group of people approach the cars. They contacted them and placed three members of the group in handcuffs.

One of the men told officers that the gray Camry belonged to his cousin, that his cousin had been inside Last Call, and that he didn't know his cousin's last name, Murphree said.

Eventually, officers determined both cars had been stolen, Murphree said. According to a report, searches of the cars yielded items including:

¢ a Winchester sawed-off shotgun

¢ a 9 mm rifle

¢ two prescription bottles

¢ two baggies containing suspected crack cocaine

¢ a baggie containing suspected marijuana

Police arrested three men and one woman, ages 18 through 21, all from Kansas City, Mo., on charges including drug possession, possession of stolen property and contributing to a minor's misconduct. They also took two 17-year-old Kansas City girls who were with the group into custody.

As of Monday, no formal charges had been filed against members of the group.

Gun-related incidents near Last Call have been at the heart of a recent debate about downtown safety. In January, police seized six guns from cars parked in lots near the club, and last week someone fired seven gunshots inside the club, prompting owner Dennis Steffes to begin screening all guests with a metal detector.

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23 May 2006
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rednekbuddha (Kelly Powell) says…

I guess they do not read the paper, or else they are just idiots…..And what's up with the seventeen yr olds?were they in the club?Isn't that illegal?
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punkrockmom (Anonymous) says…

I've wondered about the 17 year olds too.
23 May 2006
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horselimps (Anonymous) says…

these kc mo fo's are freeken idiots
23 May 2006
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bmwjhawk (Anonymous) says…

Man, I wish I'd invested in those lofts.
23 May 2006
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Berserk (Anonymous) says…

burn that place down, lets not invite the trash in anymore dennis.

Holy crap this is starting to get ugly.

BURN IT
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smitty (Anonymous) says…

Again, look at the past JW articles that state Lawrence is the meeting ground (peaceful? implied) for the out of town gang bangers.

For years the LPD has had a hands off policy when it comes to the crowd flooding out into the street from Last Call, thier cars, their activity in the community on thier way out of town.

Now that Olin has instructed his force to enforce the laws, we are seeing an upsurge in gun violations associated with these gangbangers, drug dealers, out of town teenagers on the prowl in the middle of the night.

Speaking of teenagers, what are they doing in the area at that time of night? Earlier someone on this forum stated that admittance for under aged was just a matter of some money chaging hands with the door. If this is true then why hasn't this aspect of the problem been busted? Olin, this is a no brainer.

Our current situation did not need reach the troublesome level as it has if Olin's management style would have allowed for the earlier application of the laws.

Wonder how much extra stress and danger for the street officers has been created by this long lapse of enforcement followed by the current *clean up*?

For a guy with a doctorate in human developement and all those years of experience, he sure is mucking up the situation with ronnie come lately management.
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bronco_killer (Anonymous) says…

Well, I guess it's no wonder Steffes thinks second hand smoke isn't dangerous. When you've got sawed-off shotguns lurking, the smoke doesn't seem so bad. I would rather go home smelling like cigarette smoke than gunpowder. He really runs some classy joints!

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DownHomeDude (Anonymous) says…

Well, if thats not enough, what will be. a homicide?

Folks, were not going to wait until things get that far!

The Last Call is a “public nuisance” and it it time to close

the place down permanently.

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23 May 2006
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Reality_Check (Anonymous) says…

Berserk: “lets not invite the trash in anymore dennis”

Are they trash because they're from out of town? Or is it that they keep guns in their cars? Or is it that they get in fights? Or, are they trash because, gulp, they are Negros From The City? Do tell…

I wonder if you would be so quick to want to close it down if this was a white redneck bar, attracting redneck cowboy punks in their teens and low 20s from out of town. It's not like cowboys don't carry guns in their cars and get in fights, is it? Oh, now…they do that a'plenty!.

I have a feeling that race is playing a role in the vitriol (big word, isn't it? Look it up here: http://www.wordreference.com/definiti…) shown in the abusive posts here this a.m. Of course, I KNOW you'd never admit it. But what IS the difference between this bar and the aforementioned possible redneck bar?

Just let the cops do their jobs and hide your racist redneck views….they're on the case, a-ight?
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Reality_Check (Anonymous) says…

I love this:

“One of the men told officers that the gray Camry belonged to his cousin, that his cousin had been inside Last Call, and that he didn't know his cousin's last name, Murphree said.”

Just like an episode of Cops.
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consumer1 (Anonymous) says…

What the matter smitty? get a ticket. what a load of cr*p . You just sound like a bitter person.
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DownHomeDude (Anonymous) says…

Hey folks, check it out! LPD actually did a good job for

once in their sorry pathetic lives. I mean they actually

made some real arrests. Now, finish the job and close

down the Last Call!

DHD
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quigley (Anonymous) says…

Hey “Reality Check”….You know what isnt a big word? “Alright”..maybe you should look that one up on your website!
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DownHomeDude (Anonymous) says…

On the other hand, maybe we should leave the Last

Call open and then the LPD would have something to

do other than hassle normal everyday local citizens!

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GardenMomma (Anonymous) says…

Did the article mention the ethinicity of those arrested? I don't think so.

23 May 2006
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getserious (Anonymous) says…

who are the idiots running the town now? What has to happen for our “leaders” to step up and close a place down. Once again, a “hip hop” “rap” bar has brought bad news to our t own. This is getting ridiculous. Our leaders need to do something, if not, then let's remember next time when we vote. Rap is ruining the best downtown in the Midwest.
23 May 2006
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OldEnuf2BYurDad (Anonymous) says…

Three words:

close it down
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nlf78 (Anonymous) says…

I think that Last Call needs to be closed. Or there needs to be a law about frequent arrests at bars that if nothing else get's their liquor license suspended. But honestly they just need to CLOSE the place down. It's obviously caused quite a bit of trouble and been in news alot lately…get rid of it!
23 May 2006
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Centrist (Anonymous) says…

Anyone notice the brilliant reporting? What's with the word “baggie” being used twice? Shouldn't that be “bag” ??
23 May 2006
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Centrist (Anonymous) says…

It's about behaviour, not RACE …
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craigers (Anonymous) says…

I never knew there was such a thing as a 9mm rifle. All the 9mm I know of are handguns. Maybe the cop ment to say something else. Are there 9mm rifles. I'm glad that reality check brings the race issue up because until then it wasn't even an issue in any one of the posts.
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carlwhoishot (Anonymous) says…

There are 9mm rifles. Usually made by ruger, but a number of other manufacturers produce them also.
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Marion (Marion Lynn) says…

Well, the “sawed-off” shotgun is a Federal rap if the barrell is less than 18” and the overall lenght is less than 26”.

The combination of the drugs and the guns is Federal and seriously compounds the State crimes as well.

Put those things with a stolen car and this lot could (But most liekly won't!) go to jail for a long time.

Folks, if it wasn't the Last Call it would be someplace else.

It is not the bar; it is the people and the behaviour.

If the perps in this matter were to prosecuted for the several dozen crimes which could actually be brought against them, the PEOPLE might get the point!

The Feds will probably not touch it as it isn't big enough and the DA will only bring one or two charges out of ffear of being called a “racist”.

The police will be accused of “profiling” anad everyone will walk with probation.

Thanks.

Marion.

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hipper_than_hip (Anonymous) says…

There's several 9mm rifles out there; Colt, HK, and Marlin are the first three that come to mind.
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pundit (Anonymous) says…

The city can and should use this incident to revoke the liquor license which would address the issue.

(Don't people remember the old disco at 9th and Ill. Same thing, and that is how the issue was resolved)
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unite2revolt (Anonymous) says…

craigers,

Rifles that fire pistol rounds are normally referred to as carbines. There are lots of 9mm carbines due to the popularity of the round in pistols. This allows a person to carry the same ammo for his long arm and his pistol. Of course carbines are often smaller than rifles. They have shorter effective ranges than rifles, and are more accurate than pistols. Sometimes they are also called ranch guns.
23 May 2006
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i_have_only_valid_opinions (Anonymous) says…

Just post a damn cop outside the front door for a few weeks. This will keep the doorman honest while he's checking ID's and will express to the kids that they are being watched. Very few punks are willing to cause trouble in plain sight of an officer (although some are stupid enough to do that).

I don't think “close it down” is a valid option. Too much red tape. But, obviously there are underagers in the place and that warrants the loss of their liquor license which is thier bread & butter. Take that away and they won't make enough money to stay open.

Do they own their building? If not, the landlord needs to raise their rent to the point that they can't afford to stay.
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ForwardThinker (Anonymous) says…

I'm sure you read that the reason for invading Iraq were the Weapons of Mass Destruction, but we all know the truth now. Don't be fooled by what the minority-less JW reports on, just because it's not spoken or printed about doesn't mean there is not a problem.
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i_have_only_valid_opinions (Anonymous) says…

And how can this be a racial issue??? When the cops discovered the gun the people weren't even around? Are you telling me that the cops looked at the Toyota Camry and thought “this car looks like it belongs to a black person - let me investigate because I bet there is a gun inside”?
23 May 2006
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Agnostick (Anonymous) says…

Wow, you mean these people weren't from Topeka?

Surely that's wrong… after all, Prophet Elwell said the vast majority of troublemakers come from Topeka…

Agnostick
agnostick@excite.com
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kujeeper (Anonymous) says…

Dennis promotes places that bring low-lifes, of ALL races. Coyotes used to have all kinds of problems, with the most of them being white. Last Call has worse problems and most the clients are minorities. The one common person is Dennis. He is willing to make his cash no matter who gets hurts or what it does to his community. I am surprised the members of the Lawrence Bar Owners Assoc. don't get involved. He's giving a bad rep. to all bars. Dennis is the pest to the community, someone call Terminex.

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jayhawk72 (Kimberly Curtiss) says…

Its not RACE nor is it the MUSIC. Its sorry excuses for adults brought up poorly that are causing the problems. Whether they are from out of town or they live in Lawrence…they are just showing how their parents haven't raised them to be more respectful of other people and their surroundings. I can remember when I was in high school how the 'rednecks' were removed by the police from the lower part of centennial park due to underage drinking and drugs reportedly being used. I was a 'hick' back then but now I listen to the music my daughters listen to…which happens to be rap…pop…rock…whatever it is…I listen to it and I don't let it affect my life. Music is music..and anyone whom lets it 'guide' their life by the lyrics needs help. Maybe they should just start closing the bar at 2 a.m. like every other bar in Lawrence. Or HEY!!!! Maybe Lawrence doesn't need 30 million bars in town…we (the community)aren't making any money from these establishments…why do we need so many of them? PLEASE don't say “because we're a college town”. Maybe we should place all of the bars and taverns up on KU then let them deal with the overflow of problems. OR…..why not place some police officers in the establishment or at the door to make sure that there are no underage kids or any weapons entering. Make the bar owners pay the officers salary for the time that they are there…of course….this won't work…we have too many crooked cops working for the LPD.
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jafs (Anonymous) says…

I reiterate my suggestion that all bars/clubs be required to close at midnight. Last Call is not the only place that has had these sorts of problems. Security and metal detectors will not solve the issue of violence outside of clubs after hours unless clubs/bars have the authority to confiscate weapons and not return them. Concern about guns, drugs, and violence in the streets is not a racist concern, just a common-sense one.
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thomgreen (Anonymous) says…

I'm glad the cops are finally doing something about this situation. But, doesn't it seem a little strange that every time they bust one of these vehicles there is a weapon laying on the floor, in plain view. Are you serious? I know criminals are dumb, but are we naive enough to really think that all of these guys are that stupid. It is sort of like the “you were swerving” excuse for pulling someone over that looks suspicious. (“Sprinkle some crack on him Johnson and let's get the hell out of here”….Dave Chapelle)
It's amazing that it took so long for the LPD to do anything about Last Call. I remember when there was the shooting at Brother's. The police were there in force at closing time after that.
I can't really say what should be done. I think these are positive steps being taken by the LPD. Don't fool yourself into thinking that this situation hasn't been happening for a couple of years. There has just been more publicity going on. The guns have been there, and that element (criminal not racial) has felt comfortable coming here for awhile now. Hopefully, by showing that we're not going to allow that type of behavior in Lawrence, the situation will clear up without having to close down any clubs. Remember, the majority of people coming here are just coming to have a good time. It's the few idiots that are causing the problems, and you have those in every crowd. (But I still think Dennis needs to cut the ponytail and kick the Miami Vice homage, but then again, with the movie coming out soon, he might actually be back in style).
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adky (Anonymous) says…

Isn't that lot private property? What right does LPD have to look in cars on private property? I'd be more than p@**@d if they came every Saturday night and inspected my car in my driveway.
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Fatty_McButterpants (Anonymous) says…

Smitty: Where is your proof that Chief Olin had ordered a “hands off” approach to the problems you refer to? Do you have any, or are you just continuing your usual smear campaign against the Chief?
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thomgreen (Anonymous) says…

Actually, I don't think it is private property, at least the last time I checked the city couldn't put parking meters on private property. I might be wrong though.
But something I don't agree with is changing the closing time to midnight. It's not about the time that the bars are closing, it's about the idiots that are going to them (the rare minority). A person that has a gun at 2 am is a person that had a gun at midnight.
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adky (Anonymous) says…

It might not be private. I just saw the signs that said parking only for Border's patrons. I think they say you will be towed if you park there after midnight too.
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i_have_only_valid_opinions (Anonymous) says…

thomgreen: “A person that has a gun at 2 am is a person that had a gun at midnight.”

good point regarding the criminal element adn the closing time. question is if 2-3 extra hours of boozin' would prompt them to be more likely to use the gun. but i don't think closing early would solve the problem.

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jayhawk72 (Kimberly Curtiss) says…

Cops have are 'special' in the sense that they can and do go anywhere they damn well please. I live in an apaprtment complex and they are parked ouside of my complex blocking the entrance damn near every day when I come home from dropping my kids off at school. Now I KNOW that property is private…but it still doesn't stop them from wandering around in the back parking lot looking in every vehicle that is parked there. They “have the right to search any and all vehicles” I was once told by one. The can also pull up behind a line of parked cars on the street and run each and every tag on all vehicles. Their way of seeing who is at the residence. Smart little detectives eh? Not that I want to admit it…but I was recently arrested for an outstanding traffic warrant and in my aggitated state decided to ask the officer a few questions of my own on how the department was ran. Question #1…Does the police dept. have a quota on how many tickets they are to give out a month? Answer: NO
Question #2: Do our tax dollars pay for you and your fellow officers to sit in parkinglots and bump gums with fellow officers? Answer: YES with an explanation of “we log all of our activities on this computer (pointing at the laptop in the patrol car) we can see what everyone is doing at any time of the day. I then procede to ask…so if you aren't doing anything…doesn't that look bad on you…just sitting there? No…some days we dont have much to do but sit and wait. As we are driving away…me in hand cuffs in the front seat, I take notice that the officer didn't put on his seat belt….and i procede to ask Question #3: Isn't there a seatbelt law in Kansas that requires everyone in the vehicle to wear one? Answer: Yes there is BUT I'm a police officer..i dont have to. Now no wonder we have a messed up police department. power happy !!!! We have given the 'military rejects' power and are paying them to do nothing!!!
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geekin_topekan (Anonymous) says…

The patriot act makes it OK to enter private property or any other part of your life.
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Confrontation (Anonymous) says…

quitbitchin: “but they're not in the street shooting each other, smoking crack, and gang banging.” –Please cite your sources. I don't recall any shootings outside of Last Call, or any reports of actual crack smoking, or any reported gang activity. I read this paper pretty often, so I must have missed the 50 times these activities were reported in association with Last Call. By the way, there are bloody fights almost every weekend outside and inside coyote's. Why don't you hear about it? Those fighting are white, and not sensational for the LJWorld to report. “Gang-related” crime sounds so much better in the paper than white boys fighting over their chicks.
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i_have_only_valid_opinions (Anonymous) says…

jayhawk - don't be sore because they busted you for having a warrant. and if you live somewhere where the cops are hanging out everyday checking every vehicle, maybe you should move your kid out of that scenario before he grows up and ends up parking his toyota camry containing his drugs and guns down by last call and getting caught.
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GardenMomma (Anonymous) says…

What's the deal here that you have to be 18 to enter but 21 to drink? I've always thought that was a waste. The underagers are going to drink. They'll just transfer the wristband, ink, whatever it is that is used to denote underagers. Then you run the risk of underage drinking.

I worked a door at a club in L.A. and caught so many fake i.d.'s. But then I also had really good doormen to keep them out. We almost never had big problems. Only one time (in four years) did we have a fight break out that actually caused damage to the property and that was to a pillar outside.

I think the problem here is that the doormen need to card appropriately. After a bar loses its liquor license for unerage drinking a few times, the bar will get the hint and start to do a better job of only letting in 'of age' patrons.

You need to have a doorman at the door and a bouncer (or two) in the club. The doormen/bouncers need to have the authority and education to recognize and deal with potential problems before they get out of hand. Size in a doorman/bouncer helps but brains to go along with the brawn makes a better bouncer/doorman.
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Centrist (Anonymous) says…

Closing at midnight would help. I know this … I lived in Australia for many years and it is a very strong drinking culture there, probably a lot more so than here. When the bars closed at midnight, we would all go to someone's house to continue on, or just go home. They have special licences for “clubs” that can stay open to 2,3 or even 5am. “Regular” bars are all governed by the midnight law. It works. Believe me, you can drink a lot more in those two hours and there is ALWAYS someone who gets out of control.

Close the regular bars at midnight and for Pete's Sake, get RID of the “concealed carry law” aka the “Wild West Free For All” … no wonder the rest of the world looks at this country like it's a nation of crazies …
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OldEnuf2BYurDad (Anonymous) says…

Marion, I have to disagree. This bar is attracting these kinds of people, or as one poster put it “attracting flies”. It is a nuisance based on who it attracts.

At this stage in the game, this place now has a reputation for this kind of activity. I predict that it will get worse before it gets better because it has established itself as the bar of choice of society's worst. It's now a “destination” for badly-behaving people.
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Confrontation (Anonymous) says…

i_have_only_valid_opinions: “And how can this be a racial issue??? When the cops discovered the gun the people weren't even around? Are you telling me that the cops looked at the Toyota Camry and thought “this car looks like it belongs to a black person - let me investigate because I bet there is a gun inside”?”

The cops know that at least 99% of those in the Last Call are minorities. No white kids are coming from KC or Topeka in order to frequent that club. Most white kids in there would be from Lawrence.

Until the recent law was passed/clarified, you could have a gun in your car as long as it wasn't concealed. This was stated to my group when I took the Lawrence citizenship classes at the police department. However, the police could ask you about it when you came out of the club or they would pull you over for any driving issues (using blinkers, pulling into the immediate lane) and ask you about the weapons. Now that it is illegal to have a weapon within so many feet of the club, the cops can arrest you on the spot. Maybe the gun law memo never reached KC or Topeka.

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Centrist (Anonymous) says…

Confrontation …. why are you arguing against generalizations (about black people) by the cops, when you yourself are making them (about white people)?

Personally, I'm GLAD that the cops are searching places where bad people hang out. It doesn't matter if they're black, white, whatever, trouble is trouble and for once, the LPD is doing a great job!!!!!!!
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jayhawk72 (Kimberly Curtiss) says…

its not the fact of them checking out all the cars… its the fact that they can park in the parking lot and do nothing when there are drug deals going on in front of their eyes and they do nothing about it. My girls are going to know better and they are going to also know that for every action there is a reaction. I'm not “sore” that I was arrested for an outstanding warrant. Kudos to them for catching me. I DO however believe that the police department needs a little reconstructing…and it should start in the head offices. power happy military rejects
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i_have_only_valid_opinions (Anonymous) says…

centrist

i don't recall alot of the incidents that have happened lately having legal concealed weapons as the problem. the problem is more that these people have illegal guns (i.e. no registration, stolen, illegal in type, and no license to carry).

if they aren't drinking until 2:00am at the bar they will go to a house party and drink until 2:00am and still be driving the same stolen car and have the same weapons and drugs. closing time is not the issue here. it's that underage kids know they can come here and drink and cause trouble and go hoe without getting caught. so, what kind of person does that attract?
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Confrontation (Anonymous) says…

Posted by OldEnuf2BYurDad: “It is a nuisance based on who it attracts. ” “I predict that it will get worse before it gets better because it has established itself as the bar of choice of society's worst.”

Gee, could your white power views be any more obvious? I'm sure you'll deny this, just like Macon47, but statments like this show your true message. Maybe you have black friends, and that's the excuse you use. I sure hope that you didn't pass along your hate to your children (if you have any). Stereotyping everyone who enters this club doesn't make sense. You probably cheer on the KU men's basketball team, but then you stereotype them as gang members since many of them go to Last Call. I hope you're part of the racist aging generation that will soon be gone and hopefully forgotten.
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Centrist (Anonymous) says…

So what you're saying is that every cop is a “military reject” …
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Confrontation (Anonymous) says…

“Confrontation …. why are you arguing against generalizations (about black people) by the cops, when you yourself are making them (about white people)?”

Please show me where I made generalizations about white people. People on this board are posting about all the “trash” that go to the Last Call, and they are speaking about every person who enters. I mentioned that some people at Coyote's fight, but I didn't stereotype every person who enters the bar. Also, I agree that the cops need to be looking for any violent idiots with guns at each and every bar in town.
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i_have_only_valid_opinions (Anonymous) says…

confrontation -

i'm sure the cops visited some other clubs/bars that night and did the same thing. it isn't a minority thing.
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Confrontation (Anonymous) says…

In Omaha, NE, their bars that sale alcohol close at midnight. A second set of bars that serve no alcohol open after that and close at 3am. I doubt it would prevent any shootings to stop drinking earlier. Also, to take the liquor license away from the Last Call may not help. I knew someone who worked there as a bartender, and he said that very little alcohol is sold that night in comparison to how many people are in the club. Besides, the bar patrons would just get super wasted in their cars or at other bars before entering the club. Those driving from KC and Topeka know the cops will be watching them for DUI purposes, so alcohol plays a minor role.

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i_have_only_valid_opinions (Anonymous) says…

jayhawk

how are you going to teach your girls that there is a consequence for everything they do when you were walking around with an outstanding warrant!?! good example of how you have to be responsible for your actions!
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ben_ness (Anonymous) says…

What the heck is going on in Lawrence. Between the Granada, Last call, and the recent incident at Taco Bell it seems like violent crime is definitely on the rise.
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Centrist (Anonymous) says…

Confrontation … here's your generalization!! **lol**

“” The cops know that at least 99% of those in the Last Call are minorities. No white kids are coming from KC or Topeka in order to frequent that club. Most white kids in there would be from Lawrence. ”“

Is that plain enough for you now??
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Confrontation (Anonymous) says…

i_have_only_valid_opinions “i'm sure the cops visited some other clubs/bars that night and did the same thing. it isn't a minority thing.”

The cops put almost their full force near the Last Call on that night. They (the cops) have even stated that in previous LJWorld articles. The other cops are answering other calls for service. Therefore, how can they be visiting and searching other clubs/bars on the same night? Are there secret cops we don't know about? There's a large group of black people, which just happens to bother many white people in Lawrence.
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thomgreen (Anonymous) says…

I agree, alcohol intensifies every situation. Who knows, maybe we should return to a more Puritanish lifestyle and close town down at dusk. (just kidding)
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jayhawk72 (Kimberly Curtiss) says…

No…I will stand corrected…not EVERY cop is a military reject…but their mentality in that position is. I wasn't doing anything out of the ordinary and was not speaking to the officer in any tone other than my everyday tone. Its a given that when an officer is given a badge they will be a little 'power happy'. I wasn't posing any threat to him…hell…he wasn't even taller then me and i'm only 5'2”. Its just the tone that they take with whomever they happen to be dealing with at the time. I'm human…I make mistakes…don't treat me like a little kid….dont talk DOWN to me. I'm not in a daycare…and I dont need a babysitter.
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jayhawk72 (Kimberly Curtiss) says…

FYI….it was a parking ticket they my ex husband didn't tell me about…the car was registered in my name…duh…therefore it was my responsibility…duh…
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Jamesaust (Anonymous) says…

If the City had already adopted an official nuisance measurement standard, the weekend's “action” would have put the establishment one step closer to closure.

As such, we have the LPD “inspecting” car-by-car to enforce some minimum standard of public safety. Rule: you can't inspect your way to “quality.”

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Centrist (Anonymous) says…

“” There's a large group of black people, which just happens to bother many white people in Lawrence. ”“

…. another generalization.

Ooh yeah, Lawrence people are so intolerant of black people. Sure …… that's why the KU basketball team games are PACKED!!
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Confrontation (Anonymous) says…

Centrist: Have you been in this club? I have, and I knew every white person in the club (about 5 of them). Notice that I said “most white kids there would be from Lawrence,” since my friends who now go to Last Call have seen some from Ottawa and Baldwin City. I no longer go to this club, since I've outgrown the club scene, but I have friends who are in there on a regular basis. It's not hard to know the handful of white kids in the club. Also, I will generalize that people who use annoying internet lingo like *lol* need to spend less time on their computers. Maybe you should go to Last Call this weekend.
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Confrontation (Anonymous) says…

“” There's a large group of black people, which just happens to bother many white people in Lawrence. ”“

Can you not read “many”? A generalization implies “all.” Please, do some studying.

“Ooh yeah, Lawrence people are so intolerant of black people. Sure …… that's why the KU basketball team games are PACKED!!”

That's a really funny statement! Using black people for your personal entertainment really implies that you are tolerant?! That's like saying, “I'm not racist. I have black friends.” I bet those on here who are stereotyping the whole group of Last Callers would be shocked to find out that several of the KU basketball players frequent Last Call. Whoops!
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i_have_only_valid_opinions (Anonymous) says…

confrontation-

really? almost every single cop on duty was at Last Call? and those others that were on duty but elsewhere were not doing anything regarding general surveillance? hmmm…if that is true then they planned well. found two stolen cars, some drugs and illegal weapons. sounds like good police work to me!
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Centrist (Anonymous) says…

Confrontation …

You ARE generalizing simply by making sweeping statements … yep, even by using the word “many”.

You have a “racial” chip on your shoulder. I suggest you get rid of it and start looking at facts without generalizing. It really does open up one's eyes.

By the way, when a KU basketball player goes to Last Call, do they have weapons, drugs and stolen vehicles? If they did, they'd be busted just like anyone else.

THAT is why those people were busted, because they were breaking several laws … NOT because of skin color.

Gimme a break.
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i_have_only_valid_opinions (Anonymous) says…

jayhhawk-

last i checked the word “duh” is reserved for 12 year olds. also, maybe you should word your posts better since you are the one that discussed your “unresponsible party arrest” without clarifying what it was or that it wasn't your fault. you know, people here won't respect your comments as much if they think you are someone out getting arrested for outstanding warrants. doesn't make you look very good, and “duh” makes you look immature. but then maybe you don't want people to take your opinions seriously.
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craigers (Anonymous) says…

Thanks for all the information on 9mm rifles. I haven't seen one. I will have to look though now. Thanks again.
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jayhawk72 (Kimberly Curtiss) says…

I do want the readers to take my opinion seriously. I was only arrested on ONE warrent…not a habitiual violator. I'm not proud of being arrested, I was just giving an overview of the situation that led up the the questions that I asked the officer. Go back to your typing class. Sentences start out with a capitol letter not lower case. Since you feel like making a fool of me. Maybe I'm not the only 12 year old on here, eh valid opinion?

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jayhawk72 (Kimberly Curtiss) says…

Oh hell! Before someone catches it. I have a typo on line two of my comment. Warrant….strike the E
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consumer1 (Anonymous) says…

thom green you need to read the article , not just the headlines.
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i_have_only_valid_opinions (Anonymous) says…

jayhawk-

you forgot “habitiual” vs. “habitual” and “capitol” vs. “capital”. if all you can nag me about is my capitalization because i am at work and trying to post quickly, i can handle that. but thanks for the reinforcement that i shouldn't value your opinion too much.

back on topic…does anyone know if these people were released on bond or are still being held? i'd hate to see them get out on bond since we have learned from jayhawk that not all people take care of their warrants. just kidding (there are my caps!)
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fletch (Anonymous) says…

Put a cop outside scanning IDs and a couple cops hidden around the block to grab anybody that runs away. I'm sure we can help KC and Topeka solve some outstanding warrants.
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Centrist (Anonymous) says…

Yep!
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Centrist (Anonymous) says…

Just like when meth labs are busted, sometimes they are all white!! *g*
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i_have_only_valid_opinions (Anonymous) says…

it does seem like common sense to randomly put a cop at the front door of “trouble spots” to check IDs from time to time. if the kids see the cops and don't want to attempt to go in they can head on down the road to topeka and cause trouble or go home. let's do something proactive though.
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i_have_only_valid_opinions (Anonymous) says…

i'm still not getting all the racial posts. it is what it is folks. and what it is, is a club that is frequented primarily by black people (alot of whom are from out of town), where alot of problems arise on a regular basis. you can't and shouldn't target them because they are black and you shouldn't overlook what they are doing because they are black. police should be where the problems are, and at this point in time it seems to be LC (and at jayhhawks place).

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lunacydetector (Anonymous) says…

do these arrests mean the city of lawrence will start a full fledged advertising blitz apologizing to the good people of kansas city, like we did for topeka when that dude from topeka shot and killed that guy?
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TheEleventhStephanie (Anonymous) says…

Who doesn't know their cousin's last name?! I mean, if you know he's your cousin, then…………………?
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OldEnuf2BYurDad (Anonymous) says…

Confrontation:

I AM black. My mother risked her life working to integrate lunch counters in the late 50s. I am no racist, and made no reference to race in my post. Maybe your your bigot-radar is busted.

You should be ashamed, but I'm guessing you don't exhibit the kind of character that an apology would require.

I guess we'll see.
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thomgreen (Anonymous) says…

consumer 1 “thom green you need to read the article , not just the headlines.”

And why do you say that? Do you think I only read the headlines? What gives you that opinion? Do you always post incomplete thoughts? Has anyone noticed how nice out it is today?
Sorry random thought stuck in there.
I feel I have a full command of the article. If you think otherwise, state what your basis is for that conclusion.
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Confrontation (Anonymous) says…

quitbitchin: In case you can't read (which wouldn't surprise me), the post claimed that all of these events were taking place outside the Last Call (crack smoking, shooting, etc.). None of these events took place. No one was caught shooting anyone. No one was caught smoking anything. I am also glad you can refer to yourself as a “cracker.” At least you're honest.

OldEnuf2BYurGrandpa: What does being black have to do with whether or not you are racist? Hispanics hate on other hispanics, blacks hate on other blacks, whites hate on other whites. Maybe we should shut down this post, since it attracts characters like you.
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YourItalianPrincess (Anonymous) says…

I have always wondered if the Bottleneck had or has as many issues as the Last Call.

Anyone have any idea?

Last Call may need to be shut down if more problems occur there. Sounds like a place I wouldn't want anyone to go to or a night of fun.
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thomgreen (Anonymous) says…

I sort of like the term “Wild West Free For All”. But then again, I judge all concealed weapon laws based on my living in Montana, where they have both concealed weapon permits and the ability to wear firearms out in the open (at least when I lived there). I remember the first time I passed a guy outside the courthouse (when I was registering my car, not going to court) that was wearing a pair of six shooters (I might be off on my terminology) while protesting the ordinance that kept weapons out of the courthouse. Being from KC, I just wasn't used to seeing something like that without the S.W.A.T. team tackling him to the ground. But then again, I was still in awe from the $5 “wasting natural resources” ticket (due on the spot) I had just gotten for speeding on the highway.
But I digress.
I sort of like the term “Wild West Free For All”, but I'm still for legal concealed weapons permits.
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sanders (Anonymous) says…

JayHawk72 —

It seems like you are taking out your aggressions for you ex-husband on the Lawrence Police. Just because you were arrested for a warrant does not mean the police are crooked. In response to another one of your posts, the police are able to look into vehicles in parking lots. It is in area accessible to any citizen. Additionally looking through the window of a vehicle a seeing a gun that is in “plain view” is not the same as searching the vehicle. Kansas law and the courts have determined over and over that there is no expectation of privacy regarding your vehicle in a public place.

“Duh.”

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Sigmund (Anonymous) says…

Regardless of the Patriot Act or any other nonsense, the Police may lawfully enter private property without a warrant and search for property or persons under a variety of circumstances, including but not limited to consent of (or non objection by) the property owner. I doubt Borders Books is going to be objecting! And wouldn't you know it, some idiot here is injecting race into this issue, it is just tiresome.
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sanders (Anonymous) says…

I believe the city owns or controls part of the Border's lot, so I imagine that plays a part in it.
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pundit (Anonymous) says…

1) Many posters here today need to take a chill pill.
2) It is not easy, but simple enough to revoke liquor license based on these experiences. (Immediate) problem solved.
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OldEnuf2BYurDad (Anonymous) says…

Confrontation answered my question. He's too wounded to allow himself to admit to a mistake.

Does it occur to you that you should be more careful with your words? You are like a pit bull in here. Not only are your words irresponsible, but you really reveal a lot to the rest of us about your lack of self control. Like Pundit said, some of us need to take a chill.
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Reality_Check (Anonymous) says…

Quigley: “Hey “Reality Check”….You know what isnt a big word? “Alright”..maybe you should look that one up on your website!”

It was “a-ight.” That's ghetto slang for “alright” so I doubt it will be there.

Do you get how using that relates to my post? Or are you as thick as a stump?
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Reality_Check (Anonymous) says…

“Rap is ruining the best downtown in the Midwest.”

My nomination for the dumbest comment posted here today. Puh-lease! How exactly does this 30-year-old music form ruin towns? Makes people act all crazy? Attracts Negros From The City? How exactly?

Wanna bet your grandparents said the same thing about Rock n' Roll?

Dumba** crackers abound on this board and I'm sick of it.
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consumer1 (Anonymous) says…

Centrist, you must be an insecure about something. At the very least you are overeactive. This has been going on for months if you were to actually read the articles and not go off half cocked from reading the headlines you would know! YOur argument clearly shows you like to make noise and play that “racist card” much too easily. sounds like you also have “little man syndrome”…
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GardenMomma (Anonymous) says…

Actually “alright” is still incorrect. It is “all right.” Two words, not one. But I got what you were after the first time, in the original post.

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consumer1 (Anonymous) says…

hey reality, FYI cracker is a very derogitory, racist term for white folk, but I'm guess you knew that… Unless you a cracka you can't say it. na ah mean?
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Fatty_McButterpants (Anonymous) says…

Jayhawk72: Cops can look in any vehicle they want to, just like a regular citizen can. It's called “plain view”. That is not them showing off their “power”. Cops, when in the performance of their duties, are exempt from most every traffic ordinance there is so, again, when the cop wasn't wearing his seat belt while taking you to jail, he was not showing off his “power”. Get a grip.
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i_have_only_valid_opinions (Anonymous) says…

i don't think jayhwak is probably around anymore on this topic. everything she has said has been less than profound today. let her rest and regain her wit for another day.
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lawrencebartender (Anonymous) says…

close 'em down close 'em down. Get over it. To all the people saying this, have these incidents really affected your life? Do you work there? Do you live across the street? Dont get my wrong I love this town and hate to see these types of things happening, but calm down people. Hey Jayhawk72, I believe the LPD and Dennis agreed to keep the club open till 3 to avoid the traffic problems created if everyone left at 2. If most of the people that work there and were in the club when some idiot started shooting can get over it, maybe you can to.
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Infidel213 (Anonymous) says…

I used to work for Dennis at Last Call. In no way am I trying to defend the jackass but I'll share what I know with you. You can't just shut the bar down because people have guns in their cars. That has nothing to do with the bar at all. That is a police issue that needs to be addressed by the police. The parking lot is owned by the city so they can pretty much do what they want over there. YES they are profiling but come on….if it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's a duck!! If they know that they are gonna find guns there, why wouldn't they keep going back? Fish where the fish are biting!
We do pat everyone down for they most part. We used to not pat down women for obvious reasons but now they do. We do take ANY “weapon” or illegal objects and substances. They do hire Mil-Spec for additional security. They take security inside the bar very seriously as well. They actually do try to control the crowd they get. It is a sh!t crowd but they are the dumb ones paying $15-20 to get into a friggin bar.

Hey Lawrencebartender….give me a fvcking break man. That crowd is crap and you know it. They are open til 3 cause the hommies don't come out until 12:00.
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law (Anonymous) says…

Smitty :::
Being an ex officer I can make these statements freely. Olin does not have control over his officers. He has control over his Lieutenants and sergeants but his officers don't even know him. When i was there I saw him about once or twice a year. He did not visit, talk with or spend any time with those guys. If you think that he is giving orders or telling his “men” what to do let me respectively correct you. He does not. I can honestly say I would stand behind most of those men and women in the department. They are great, hard working people. 99% of all the complaints I read on here are from the same 3-4 Officers. Thats too bad other great people are judged by those very few. Jayhawk I wont name names but I know exactly who you are talking about by just the way you described that officer. I won't name him but please know that there are great officers who go through alot to make all our lives better.
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conserv26 (Anonymous) says…

shut that f_____ place down already!!! And why does Lawrence need a club that's open until 3:00am??? What's the saying, nothing good ever happens after 12am? The same can be said for after 3am. Lawrence is turning into a Topeka-esque city and quickly… I am 28 now but I used to go to that club when I was younger and back in the day it used to seem fairly safe. The city and Police dept. need to find out what is drawing the TRASH to this club and to downtown Lawrence in general. I think that there is a serious drug problem growing in Lawrence and the LPD could deter this by increasing their presence in and around this and other night clubs. Police should patrol inside the clubs throughout the night, not just after they close. They need to show these losers who is in charge in this town, before it's too late!!!
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conserv26 (Anonymous) says…

Lawrencebartender, if you are OK with shootings in night clubs and can “get over it”, then maybe you should work elsewhere…maybe T-town or somewhere off of the Paseo are more your speed. Do you know where you live and work??? Lawrence has been and is known as a bright, friendly, free loving, hippy type of town…we don't need the violence or the 'so what' attitude of morons like you. You can say “so what” and “who cares” about anything bad that happens but when do YOU draw the line and take a stand? Or do you stand for anything besides making money? Most of us on here want to stop this sh__ before it takes over our town!

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Infidel213 (Anonymous) says…

I think the city commission is doing a fine job of fvcking up Lawrence all by themselves. Shoot, pretty soon they will ban blogging on this web site.
Lets not hate on others because they have a different experience on this subject. Some things are important to some but not for others.
I think douchebag Steffes should have a press conference so we can all drill him with criticism and questions.
The problem with just shutting down Last Call is that it will just set a precedence for the city commission to keep doing whatever the hell the feel like.
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egypt (Anonymous) says…

I posted about this a few days ago to, I was at a show at the bottleneck and walked by last call before they opened, seeing as how I was wearing some metal I was asked to walk threw the metal detectors, they did not go off at all.
Then leaving the club I was warned by many people not to walk alone past last call, This was by bottleneck and last call staff, Last call staff replied a white female should not walk alone infront of the club and that I shouldnt park my car in the parking lots near by because of vandalism.
The bottleneck also said not to walk past the club because there patorens have been hassled by people going to last call.
How does a club that has to get metal detectors (that dont work) and that people who are white cant walk infront of at night, get a permit to stay open till 3:00am?
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hilly (Anonymous) says…

quitbitchin and egypt:

Oh please. Whites, blacks, hispanics, Asians can all walk by Last Call at night, holding hands and singing “Jesus Loves Me”. That's BS. I've been to Last Call quite a few times. The people that are afraid to walk by last call at night are either A) Misinformed or B) Afraid of the “scary Negros” that might come out of the club just to shoot up the random white guy walking across the street… which is also misinformed.

On another note, people in general shouldn't really walk around town at 3 in the morning, especially women. Reguardless of where you are in town, be it downtown or in west lawrence… it's not exactly the safest option to be walking by yourself in the middle of the night in any city.

There's just as many issues around town with whites as there are blacks, but it just happens to attract more attention in the LJWorld because some how, even ever black people fight, it's always “gang-related”, which makes for a better story then average Joe and average Billy fist fighting over average Mollie Sue.

And I'm not saying that there aren't problems at Last Call, because there are. But there are problems alot of other places too.

The vandalism is due to the alcohol. Just like at every other club. I came out of Coyotes once to find my windshield shattered, and I'm fairly certain, from what I know, is that alochol was involved in that too. Last Call is no different, because most people don't go around and just randomly vandalize other peoples cars, unless they're drunk, or they're trying to steal stuff.
And for the record, last time I went, the metal detector was set off due to my belt. So I'm pretty sure it works just fine.
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smitty (Anonymous) says…

law stated:
Being an ex officer I can make these statements freely. Olin does not have control over his officers. He has control over his Lieutenants and sergeants but his officers don't even know him

Where do the sergeants and Lieutenants get their directives? Training? Chain of command? Olin is running the show whether of not the street officers talk to him daily. It really is simple.

From what you are saying it has been the street officers decision to ignore the illegal goings on at the Last Call for several years wihtout the chief of police being accountalbe for his officers activities. Either way, that dog don't hunt.
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hilly (Anonymous) says…

Whoooaaa now. Don't go twisting my words around now.

I never, ever, said that everyone who drinks is going to turn around and smash a window. Nor did I imply it.

I simply stated that a good number of people who do those things are under the influence at the time. But you obviously don't fall into that catagory, so you really don't need to worry about being grouped in with that type of people.

And actually, every other club does have problems. Find me a club in the last year or so that has never had a fight, arrest, or had to call the cops at some point.

You won't find one.

And quitbitchin, you seem like you got your feelings hurt, which is probably the only real reason you're still bringing up confrontation's comments. Stop taking everything so personally, because you obviously are dwelling and reading into this just a little to much.
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Reality_Check (Anonymous) says…

What makes a dumba** cracker a dumba** cracker? A cracker is a white rascist. A dumba** cracker is a racist who is too stupid to know when he/she is being racist.

Saying stuff like it's not safe for a white girl to walk by a particular bar in Lawrence Freakin' Kansas is racist. Saying “these thugs need to go back to the hood” is just so obviously racist. “burn that place down, lets not invite the trash in anymore dennis” is racist. Talking about “those people” is racist.

The only people who deny such comments are racist are dumba** crackers.

So the bar gets more press than others…do we know it actually experiences more incidents than others, or is it just getting more press?

If it has problems, fix them: 17 year olds? Call Liquor Control in Topeka. Guns and knives? Test the metal detectors. Check out the cars in the parking lot with a flashlight, like they just did. This is a law enforcement issue, and it will be handled as one. Just as they will do for the bars where the dumba** crackers go!