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Hispanic influence

May 17, 2006

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To the editor:

Hispanic migration to the United States is a hot political issue. Hispanics settled in present New Mexico in the 1500s before the English settled Jamestown or Plymouth. To appreciate the early Hispanic settlement of the Southwest read Willa Cather's book "Death Comes to the Archbishop." Since Spanish conquerors seldom brought Spanish wives, they married Indian women. Hispanics are, therefore, a Spanish and Indian racial mixture.

In the 1830s, Americans took Texas from Mexico. At the end of the Mexican War (1848), the United States forced Mexico to cede the vast territories now constituting California, Nevada, Utah and most of Colorado, New Mexico and Arizona. Understandably, contemporary Mexicans may not respect the legitimacy of the Rio Grande boundary and its westward extension. Historical facts support the Hispanic claim to migrate and to live in the United States.

While teaching at the University of Southern Colorado in Pueblo, I enjoyed knowing many delightful Hispanic children who came to our home to sing Spanish songs accompanied by guitar. Two Hispanic boys were in our son's Boy Scout troop.

Hispanic political power is growing. In spite of the poor Democratic Party showing of 2004, Colorado nevertheless elected Hispanics: Ken Salazar to the U.S. Senate and his brother John Salazar to the U.S. House. Democratic Gov. Bill Richardson of New Mexico is Hispanic and a potential Democratic presidential candidate.

With the increasing Hispanic population of California, Republicans may never again carry California in a presidential election.

John A. Bond,

Lawrence

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one_more_bob 7 years, 11 months ago

This is an old thread, but it seems the most apt place to place this. "MEXICO CITY May 21, 2006 (AP)- If Arnold Schwarzenegger had migrated to Mexico instead of the United States, he couldn't be a governor. If Argentina native Sergio Villanueva, firefighter hero of the Sept. 11 attacks, had moved to Tecate instead of New York, he wouldn't have been allowed on the force. Even as Mexico presses the United States to grant unrestricted citizenship to millions of undocumented Mexican migrants, its officials at times calling U.S. policies "xenophobic," Mexico places daunting limitations on anyone born outside its territory. In the United States, only two posts the presidency and vice presidency are reserved for the native born. In Mexico, non-natives are banned from those and thousands of other jobs, even if they are legal, naturalized citizens." http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory?id=1987648

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ljreader 7 years, 11 months ago

Well, I do a pretty good job living within the law, James- However, should I not, I understand I run the risk of punishment- not amnesty and a host of other perks for my efforts. If I am ordered to pay a fine for speeding, or something of that nature- I certainly would not take to the streets with a mob of other beligerent traffic violaters and demand the "rights" to have our fines dropped.

As for your second post- Huh?

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Jamesaust 7 years, 11 months ago

What's most interesting about immigration is that it seems to be the excuse for the radical right to finally break with "W".

After all, you don't find yourself with approval ratings in the 20's just because Democrats and libertarians and conservatives and independents dislike you. You can only get to that level when your "base" begins to dislike you.

There was bound to be a point at which no further denial of the incompetence of this present Administration could be avoided. The conduct of affairs in Iraq, the New Orleans deluge, the debt slavery of our grandchildren, the wholesale repeal of the Fourth Amendment - at some point the Followers began to doubt, even though they publically insisted to have no doubt.

For a long time, this has led to dissonance: critics need to be silenced, leakers need to be prosecuted, opponents should be sent to prisoncamps, the mainstream media just refuses to tell the good news from Iraq, seniors just don't understand the benefit of their new freebie drugplan, the N.O. poor were better off relocated from the swamps, etc.

For a while now, the radical right has been trying to pick a fight with W. Too much spending, George! Okay, so W. threatens Congress if they don't stop that spending (something akin to biting one's fingernails). No Arabs running our ports, George! So, W. finds himself amazed and works out an alternative. You'd better start delivering some gay scalps, George! So, W. agrees to one more pre-election vote on a hopeless constitutional amendment (on 6/6/06, nonetheless!).

So now, like an unhappy spouse looking for an excuse to trigger a divorce, the wingnuts have discovered that they're like Capt. Renault: "shocked, shocked to discover gambling" ... errr...'illegal aliens' in our midst (as if this hasn't always been true). And by G-d, there's going to be something done! Or else, the right just might withhold their votes and cause electoral defeat in November! (thus, pre-losing something the polls already predict to be lost.)

Would that there was such concern over "illegal" wiretapping.

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Jamesaust 7 years, 11 months ago

Yes, that's the new theory - immigrants "disrespect" America. Goodness, if they disrepected it any more they'd have a tattoo of G.Washington on their chests.

Heck, I haven't seen so many foreign flags being flown since St. Patrick's day (representing another group of despised immigrants who never amounted to anything - many of them very much outside of official immigration channels).

Illegal? Yep, that's the American way. I've yet to meet an American who hasn't performed an illegal act. Perhaps, ljreader is the exception. I personally cannot remember the last day I failed to witness an illegal act in this country. I remind ljreader that the "illegality" in question is an administrative violation, punishable by a fine and deportation from the country. We're not talking murder here.

And yes, I mean Navajo, Navaho, the Dine, the Dineh.

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Godot 7 years, 11 months ago

er, that should be "many fewer problems."

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Godot 7 years, 11 months ago

I'm tellin' ya, replacing the income and property tax system with a national sales tax would end the flood of immigrants who are looking for a free ride. In fact, if we had the FAIR tax, and if drugs were de-criminalized and taxed, we could have an open border with much fewer problems.

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Godot 7 years, 11 months ago

Looks like most of you did not read Monkeyhawk's post through to the end. The 10 points referred to Mexico, not the US. If you want to nit-pick, he should haved posted in Mayan.

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ljreader 7 years, 11 months ago

Bozo, If they want to simply transfer themselves, their language and their culture to reside in our country, and want to reject all things American- I'm good, as long as that means they also reject the jobs some Americans Do want, foodstamps, housing, free schooling, free lunch programs, free hospitaliztion, etc. Seems they want a one way street- Their way. They need to have the number of children THEY can afford- not the number the taxpayers can afford. If they want their kids schooled here, but won't learn English,then don't put the burden of paying extra for Spanish speaking teachers (teaching in Spanish) on the taxpayers. They broke the law and we have to pay for it. That blows. And don't even go there about cheap lettuce- I heard on a news report last night, they are costing taxpayers 68 billion dollars per year. This is before their families will be joining them under the amnesty agreement the Senate has passed.That's some kind of cheap labor we got there.

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just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 7 years, 11 months ago

You're right, OTTR-- they don't have any rights.

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ljreader 7 years, 11 months ago

Jamesaust-Do you mean Navajo? And whatever bastardized language we speak here, it's OUR bastardized language. Since they disrespect everything else about our country- like which flag to fly- or that they are lawbreakers, and do not have rights- they can at least make an effort to learn our bastardized language.

Actually, our language here is unique, with bits and pieces of many languages, reflecting the melting pot we are- melting pot- not Mexico North. And you need to learn our version of English, too, Jamesaust-ILLEGAL- do you know the meaning of the word?

and right on- OTTR.

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offtotheright 7 years, 11 months ago

Bozo says: Yea, they have the right to risk their lives crossing the border for jobs that pay sh*t wages and no benefits, and they can be deported (or imprisoned) at any time as long as they are here.

Actually Bozo, they have NO right to risk their lives crossing the border for jobs that pay sh*t wages and no benefits. We DO have the right to deport/imprison them at any time as long as they are here ILLEGALLY!

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bankboy119 7 years, 11 months ago

I was talking about those here legally. And those illegals who think they have rights when they are nothing more than criminals.

BTW, those wages you're talking about are a hell of a lot more than they'd get in Mexico. And they get benefits if they have an SSN. They could be deported or imprisoned if the gov't would ever do anything.

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Jamesaust 7 years, 11 months ago

"1. If you migrate to this county, you must speak the native language."

Really? Then why is this posting in a bastardized variant of a Germanic language?

Anyone know a good Algonquin tutor? Please tell me I don't have to learn Navaho too (I hear that its quite difficult).

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just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 7 years, 11 months ago

Yea, they have the right to risk their lives crossing the border for jobs that pay sh*t wages and no benefits, and they can be deported (or imprisoned) at any time as long as they are here. That's way too many "rights," bankboy.

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bankboy119 7 years, 11 months ago

Bozo,

The reason we care for what other countries immigration laws are is to show how many more "rights" people immigrating to this nation have, or think that they have. They have too many.

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paladin 7 years, 11 months ago

Both Democrats and Repulicans are playing to win the favor of the Hispanic population. They both want their many votes. That's not what is driving the immigrant proposals, however. Who is pushing it? The American people? Not to any significant degree. Most are adamantly opposed. It is the corporate American rulers, who will benefit from the cheap labor, and that is who Congress is representing on this issue, as it does on so many others.

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just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 7 years, 11 months ago

Who cares what Mexico's immigration laws are? They have absolutely no bearing on what our laws are or should be.

And bankboy, the major impetus for the change in immigration laws is coming from the Republican-controlled Congress, mostly because they want a distraction from the disasters they have created that they would otherwise would have to run on in elections this fall. And if there are any changes that come out of that, they will undoubtedly reflect many of the wishes of those who hire these immigrant workers, and they are almost all Republican.

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Mike Blur 7 years, 11 months ago

"With the increasing Hispanic population of California, Republicans may never again carry California in a presidential election."

This may or may not be incorrect. What was proven by the last amnesty program, by Reagan in 1986 when he legalized some two million illegal immigrants practically overnight, was that 'Pubs increased their voter base by that much instantly. Illegals granted amnesty will vote for the party of the Prez that granted that amnesty, regardless of any other political views--similar to abortion opponents voting for an anti-abortion candidate, regardless of how incompetent he may be.

It's probably true that those former illegals granted amnesty in 1986 carried Bush in the last two elections. He would like to grant amnesty immediately to all illegals so they can help out in November--and watch for him to do anything possible to get 'em legalized so they can vote for Jeb in 2008.

(Notice how Brownback is supportive of Bush's stance--'cuz he stands to benefit if a Republican president grants amnesty by 2008, as well.)

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bankboy119 7 years, 11 months ago

shane, because the Dems, who control the media, want Hispanics here to register to vote and want people who want the laws followed labeled as racist.

Before anyone comments that "FOX is conservative," if you read the immigration debate on FOX or have followed it, the immigration laws of Mexico have been brought up.

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Linda Endicott 7 years, 11 months ago

Look it up online. It's easy to find Mexico's immigration laws.

You also have to prove you have a steady income, of a certain amount, before you can even apply for citizenship in Mexico. And even if you acquire citizenship, you still can't vote there. It isn't considered equal citizenship to those who were born there.

Not that I ever want to move to Mexico. I was just curious, so I looked it up.

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shanefivedyes 7 years, 11 months ago

8:18 am post. Very newsworthy, why have we not heard more on Mexico's immigration laws??

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paladin 7 years, 11 months ago

Mexican immigrants, legal or otherwise, enhance positively the economic picture and make the economy look good, even though it isn't, and they deflate the wage base, by providing cheap labor, which decreases wages across the board. They are essential from the perspective of those who rule the economy. That's why the guest worker program will be enacted and the immigrants will continue to be accepted, in droves, whether the American people like it or not.

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just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 7 years, 11 months ago

I just asked a simple question, monkeyhawk. Rather than answer it, you chose to attack me.

Is that what makes you morally and intellectually superior?

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one_more_bob 7 years, 11 months ago

"5. Foreigners will NEVER be able to hold political office." Isn't that the law in Mexico right now? I think that a person's parents have to have been native-born Mexicans to qualify to run for president.

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ljreader 7 years, 11 months ago

I notice there is a big push to get hispanics to register to vote. I wonder with all the social security numbers stolen from children, forged documents, and identity thefts, how many illegals will slip through the system and be able to vote?

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monkeyhawk 7 years, 11 months ago

Actually, I own property in Mexico, quite a bit of it.

I'm thinking of converting some of it into a criminal loving, ban craving, birk wearing, adding nothing to anything bozo farm.

You are so incredibly boorish. I believe that all you do all day is stalk anyone on the board who does not hold your same views, and apparently that should keep you busy since most of us have acquired our critical thinking skills long ago, and we are all on to you. Seldom, if ever, do you have anything constructive to say, just sarcasm and name calling. You are irrelevant.

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just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 7 years, 11 months ago

Are those laws preventing you from emigrating to Mexico, monkeyhawk?

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monkeyhawk 7 years, 11 months ago

Immigration Laws

  1.   If you migrate to this county, you must speak the native language.

  2.   You have to be a professional or an investor.  No unskilled

workers allowed.

   3.   There will be no special bilingual programs in the schools, no

special ballots for elections, all government business will be conducted in our language.

   4.   Foreigners will NOT have the right to vote no matter how long they are here.

  5.   Foreigners will NEVER be able to hold political office.

   6.   Foreigners will not be a burden to the taxpayers. No welfare, no food stamps, no health care, or other government assistance programs.

   7.   Foreigners can invest in this country, but it must be an amount

equal to 40,000 times the daily minimum wage.

   8.   If foreigners do come and want to buy land that will be okay, BUT options will be restricted.  You are not allowed waterfront property  That is reserved for citizens naturally born into this country.

   9.   Foreigners may not protest; no demonstrations, no waving a foreign flag, no political organizing, no bad-mouthing our president or his policies, if you do you will be sent home.

  10.  If you do come to this country illegally, you will be hunted down and sent straight to jail.

Harsh, you say? The above laws happen to be the immigration laws of Mexico!

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