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Immigration protest comes to Lawrence’s downtown

May 1, 2006

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About three-dozen pro-immigration protesters gathered downtown at noon today, part of nationwide demonstrations against proposed crackdowns on illegal immigrants.

Demonstrators gathered signatures on a petition against a U.S. House of Representatives bill that would make illegal immigration a felony, and penalize organizations that aid illegal immigrants.

The banners and signs drew an irate reaction from at least one bystander, John Tucker of Lawrence.

"There's always going to be borders," he told the demonstrators. "You can't change it."

That drew a response.

"Your ancestors were immigrants," Aaron Ross, 24, a student at Haskell Indian Nations University, said.

Demonstrators planned to deliver the petitions to the Lawrence office of U.S. Rep. Dennis Moore, D-Kan., after the rally.

An 8 p.m. pro-immigration candlelight vigil was planned today at City Hall, Sixth and Massachusetts streets.

Comments

bankboy119 9 years, 4 months ago

Who cares what our ancestors were Aaron. I was born and raised an American. My ancestors were legal too.

Organizations should be punished for aiding criminals.

Every single one of them should be punished, they are criminals.

jamnjohnks 9 years, 4 months ago

A candlelight vigil???....gee lets have a candlelight vigil supporting all the other illegal activities...a candlelight vigil for murderers, for robbers, for all law breaking people...

P.S. A candlelight vigil will be held for roundabouts at 10 this evening.

pundit 9 years, 4 months ago

I like the idea of candles in the roundabouts......... could be kind of a city signature. :)

Ken Miller 9 years, 4 months ago

The immigrants I have been around - legal or illegal - work harder than most "Americans." How many caucasian Americans have you seen picking produce in Texas and California? And how much would you complain if you had to pay a LOT more for the tomatoes or grapes? Immigrants are helping this country a LOT more than they are "draining" us. Take your racist attitudes back to the hills of Idaho.

Todd 9 years, 4 months ago

Dennis Moore isn't the only Rep. for Lawrence in Congress.

KsTwister 9 years, 4 months ago

Someone had better be counting the millions of US citizens who aren't marching-----they are the ones who are about to change Congress and the America's lax illegal immigrant laws. Believe me it is a much much bigger number. Brownback needs voted out, Roberts needs voted out and Cheney needs to take Bush hunting.

KungFuLogic 9 years, 4 months ago

One thing I'll hand to illegal aliens is being a quick study here in America. For example, the quick draw on pulling the race card in any political discussion.

How the hell is this about race, I haven't mentioned anyone's skin, anyone's race, anyone's religion, anyone's gender. Perhaps the expansion of race to breaking the law is the result of lack of competency in ENGLISH you idiots!

Illegals work harder for than Americans argument. Illegal aliens wouldn't have anything to come to here in America if hundreds of years of hard sweat and labor to build the infrastructure of American hadn't taken place. That didn't include illegal aliens.

As far as paying more for products because illegal aliens pick fruit; firstly this is an uproven assumption and secondly, even if true, I will gladly pay more for produce to have the laws of this country enforced. Like I said before, if illegal aliens are going to symbolically tell this country to go to hell by shaking their fists at our law, then right back at you.

Curtis Lange 9 years, 4 months ago

This isnt about LEGAL immigrants helping our country or "how hard they work". This is about ILLEGAL immigrants coming into our country by breaking the law, abusing the government systems we have in place and finally getting called out on it. I'm all for these people coming to our country legally, learning to speak English, conforming to American standards, and so on. I am not, however, for illegal immigrants coming to our country by hopping the border, refusing to speak English, treating our country as if it's Mexico (tired of seeing crap in Spanish on American products) and generally being a drain on society.

Kick all 11 million of these ILLEGAL immigrants out and let them come back under legal means; be it through work visas, student visas, or other legal means.

bankboy119 9 years, 4 months ago

It has nothing to do with race, it has to do with laws. If you're saying because I'm white and I want laws enforced that Hispanics, Asians, Africans, Europeans, are breaking that I'm racist then so be it.

gontek 9 years, 4 months ago

Also factor in insurance claims for illegals in accidents without any insurance. There are many laws in place that are enforced or written in a way such that illegals do not have to comply.

gontek 9 years, 4 months ago

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james bush 9 years, 4 months ago

Build a wall at the Texas/ Oklahoma border and give the state and the Bushes to Mexico.

Ken Miller 9 years, 4 months ago

KFL... YOU want to "send them all back to Mexico." See your earlier post at the end. You can't have it both ways. As for hundreds of years ago, it was the Chinese (railroads) as well as people from south of what is now Texas who did a LOT of the hard work to establish this country. This country had an open immigration policy then because we were trying to populate the land. So it wasn't just white folks "doing all the hard work."

The other thing you are forgetting - as are all of the other people arguning that illegals are draining the economy - is that if we give the undocumenteds amnesty and eventual citizenship, we can also TAX their earnings - meaning MORE money for services. Don't be fooled... illegal or not, many of these folks are getting services.

It's time to dump the "America Is Only For Current Americans" attitude and be accepting of these folks. As your hero George W. would say, "they are good people."

neopolss 9 years, 4 months ago

Laws only change in this country when broken bankboy. Not all laws are right. Not all laws are permanent. I see a lot of hate here. Let's say what this really is. It's an issue with Mexicans, not immigrants. Welfare drainage? How about backing up these claims? Or is it easier to simply take a tone without any real evidence or reason? Newsflash: Many of our ancestors, or even grandparents, were not here legally. So what? Let me get this straight. We're willing to dump billions into the Iraqi citizens, who contribute NOTHING to us, yet we're perfectly willing to hate the people who do contribute something to our economy simply for hopping the border?

Any of you stuck in Mexico would do the same thing, in an instant. Do not pretend otherwise. I can think of far worse "laws" to break than simply crossing the border in an attempt to have a better life. You do know it can take YEARS to be elgible to come into this country? That's a long time if you have family.

Apparently hating muslims wasn't enough, we need something else to focus on. Or is this merely a distraction issue? If there's smoke....

KsTwister 9 years, 4 months ago

People who insist that the increase in price of fruits and vegetables have a point----the price will go up. But then the NEW workers who replace the illegal ones will be making a wage which will allow them for the first time to buy them. What hipe! I will pay more to support legal american workers anyway and the money I save from educating them,paying for healthcare and increased police forces will be having most of us with more money for ourselves and our families.

local_support 9 years, 4 months ago

Our economy could not survive without illegal immigrants. They are underpaid and often work in extremely unsafe conditions.

For those that are flipping out about this I have one question: Are YOU going to clean the public bathrooms, pick the peaches, flip the burgers down in JoCo, work in the slaughterhouses, all for less than minimum wage?

I didn't think so.

Sarah Mathews 9 years, 4 months ago

Right. I'm sure it's just the illegality that you are so up in arms about. It's just that anything ILLEGAL gets you all riled up. I'm sure your anger doesn't stem from anywhere else. . . not fear or racism or ignorance. Well, good luck convincing yourself of that, then.

Adios (Oh, forgive me) Goodbye.

KungFuLogic 9 years, 4 months ago

YES. We've done it for 200 years, we'll do it for 200 more. We don't need law breakers who threaten us.

Ken Miller 9 years, 4 months ago

Yeah, I feel threatened. The illegal immigrant pointed a burrito in my face.

javier87 9 years, 4 months ago

I am a hispanic that is divided on this issue. If the people protesting want to be heard, protest with the American Flag, not with the Mexican flag. I bet they would not be happy if Americans went to Mexico and protested with the American Flag.

The mexican government is to blame. Instead of finding ways to improve living conditions in Mexico, they just passed a law legalizing small quantities of marijuana, cocaine, extacy, and heroin for personal use. Way to go Mexico. So much for the war on drugs. The mexican government is a joke.

OldEnuf2BYurDad 9 years, 4 months ago

Down with the "man"!!!

Oh, wait.... I AM the man.

Confrontation 9 years, 4 months ago

Applying for Permanent Residency: $325, fingerprinting $70, medical exam $160

Applying for Removal of Conditions on Permanent Residency: $205

Application for Naturalization: $330, fingerprinting $70

Being able to live illegally in the U.S. with free medical care and education: Priceless

Gabe Hoffman 9 years, 4 months ago

"Many of our ancestors, or even grandparents, were not here legally. So what?"

Well since we're talking about facts, i find that hard to believe since immigration rules and laws were not in existence then. Therefore coming here by choice, or a letter from the President meant the same thing.

Simple fact is it illegal to come into this country undocumented and without permission. I'm sure your tone would change were they to come on your property, use your home and services and when they make money, not give any back.

KungFuLogic 9 years, 4 months ago

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mom_of_three 9 years, 4 months ago

If we were in the immigrants situation, would we not all do the same thing - i.e. find a better place, a better future?
wait - i am repeating neopolss - yes, what he said.

mom_of_three 9 years, 4 months ago

My husband and I debated this on Saturday for a while. He also thinks "illegal" = send home. He doesn't think it is right to send them home, (as many are productive citizens) but it's the principal of the thing.

jnixon 9 years, 4 months ago

I think that they(immigrants) should be able to take jobs that no other (citizens) want. Define: Immigrants - somebody who has come to a country and settled there - registered workers with 'legal' work Visas and/or applying for citizenships. Citizens - Legal resident-somebody who has the right to live in a country because he or she was born there or because he or she has been legally accepted by that country-hardworking Americans...hmmm maybe we should think about revoking citizenship to 'deadbeats'...thoughts to ponder... I realize that there are some folks that truly need assistance, so I am not addressing those individuals. Interesting plan though... Long opinion short - Once Legal Immigrants become tax paying Citizens they will be entitled to the same freedoms and rights that we 'legal' Americans are. They should also learn English. English is the primary language of OUR country(even the European nations teach it at about 12 years of age - It's a requirement...).

gontek 9 years, 4 months ago

Wow my 1st comment was removed. Must have been the restaurant part. I like the part I thought of where we trade legal immigrants for bums and hippies, kind of an exchange program. That would do wonders for our economy.

gontek 9 years, 4 months ago

The thing about immigrants coming to our county over the last 200+ years is that they do it legally, and the ASSIMILATE. Nowadays we are changing our culture and our society to benefit the illegal immigrants who do not assimilate.

KungFuLogic 9 years, 4 months ago

Here's one to stick in you pipe and smoke. In Kansas, illegal aliens get tuition at resident rates, a non-resident student (albeit a legitimate American citizen) gets stuck with paying a non-resident rate. Tell me that's not a handout that puts a drain on the taxpayers. If the rational for charging out of state tuition is lack of contributing to the local state tax coffers, then allowing illegal aliens to pay resident tuition rates contradicts this rationalization.

The argument that "coming to better place for a better future as a justification for doing illegal" is an argument for brainless idiots. Apparently proponents of this argument fail to see the logical implications of this argument. That is, if I can do whatever I want based on providing a better future for my family then the mafia is justified in their actions, because after all the godfather is providing for little-Tony, and any criminal activity relating to finanical gain is justified so long as the intent is to provide a better future for one's posterity. Sorry, but this argument is 100%, pure, made in Mexico BS.

Secondly, coming to America in order to provide a better place is fallacious on the grounds that coming to America to provide for a better future presumes coming legally. If the laws are enforced, then coming to America illegally means a one way ticket to the big house. Mamacita in the prison with the little ones at home isn't a better future. Therefore, the only bright future one has by coming to Americs is if its done legally.

Don't come to OUR country illegally and then tell us to change our laws so you can have a bright future. Your bright future by forcing me to get cleaned out ain't going to happen.

We'll pick the fruit, clean the hotels, flip burgers, etc, etc, ourselves, and get along just fine without like we've done for 200 years. If any of you illegal aliens get deported or thrown in jail its because you came to our country and flipped us off in our own house. Flipping us off in your country is one thing, doing it in our living room makes it personal.

Incidentally, my family has hired illegal Mexicans to do landscaping alongside whites and blacks. Illegal aliens don't pull weeds or mow lawns any faster or harder than whites and blacks working for the same wage. That's reality.

Ken Miller 9 years, 4 months ago

Let's see - American Culture: American Idol, Oprah, video games, Coke and Pepsi, Budweiser, conservative politics, Walmart.

I think it's time WE started borrowing a little culture from foreign lands.

bankboy119 9 years, 4 months ago

Actually neo,

Just today I read that one Los Angeles County pays at least $750 million, read "mucho dinero" for those who don't speak English, for illegals every year. Sounds like a big drain to me, and that's just one county.

Bruce Bertsch 9 years, 4 months ago

Again folks, get serious...at 25,000 deportations per day, it would take over three years to deport all of the known illegals in this country. Most of the illegals DO have taxes withheld form their pay and do pay into a Social Security system that will never pay them back a dime.

Some here would confuse the provisions of the Hill-Burton Act which mandates care with only illegal immigrants; it is also there for the 40+% of US citizens who cannot afford healthcare. The term Billions in benefits is thrown around with ease, yet, 71% of all entitlements in the US go to the elderly and disabled. That includes medicade and food stamps.

The reason the race card is played is quite simple...how would you like to be an American born citizen of Spanish background in the US with some of the attitudes shown on this forum?

Ken Miller 9 years, 4 months ago

Other than your racist retorts and obvious lack of knowledge when it comes to spelling, grammar and spellcheck, you're really making some fine points, KFL. AND I haven't missed the irony of you choosing a screename of a CHINESE immigrant who used to beat up racists like you. Nice job, grasshopper.

kansasboy 9 years, 4 months ago

Oscarfactor writes:And how much would you complain if you had to pay a LOT more for the tomatoes or grapes? Immigrants are helping this country a LOT more than they are "draining" us.

How about if we get all the illegals to work on the oilrigs to lower the gas prices.

Christine Anderson 9 years, 4 months ago

Hey, I've realized something here.

While the focus in this newest immigration controversy seems to be Mexican immigrants, the public and/or government is missing a great big source if immigration fraud right under our noses. IT'S CALLED MARRIAGE FRAUD! We need to bust these sheisters, and stop solely blaming Mexico. Let's start calling INS ( or Homeland Security as it's known now) and put'em on the boat and send them back where they belong!!!! By the way, my great-grandparents on both sides were LEGAL immigrants from Norway, Sweden, and Germany.

Oh, so-and-so, if you think this little blurb is about you, you'd be right. Have a nice day!

KungFuLogic 9 years, 4 months ago

moderationman

Yes, we're willing to deport 25,000 a day. And 25,001 is that much more to deport an idiot like you.

And no, most don't pay taxes while their children get free schooling, free school lunch, and free medicaid. California, Texas and Arizona are all on the verge of economic crisis because they can't keep up with the welfare requests relating to illegal aliens. That's draining and not filling.

KungFuLogic 9 years, 4 months ago

Oh and KFL is a legal immigrant, grasshopper. And if there are grammatical errors its because I'm having a hard time keeping up with the flawed logic and baseless claims spewed by soft-heads that are willing to give away the farm for a paseo.

sandrat7 9 years, 4 months ago

Illegal? send them packing back to wherever they came from. And don't you just hate it when you call for service on (you name it here) you have to listen to instructions in Spanish telling you if you want to procede in Spanish to 'marke el dos'? what a load of crap. speak English in America! I'm heartily sick of it. My anscestors came here legally, they should, too. They are criminals and should go home.

KungFuLogic 9 years, 4 months ago

Glad you picked up my nugget, you aren't as impaired as I thought.

Ken Miller 9 years, 4 months ago

The whole "Speak English Only" is the dumbest stance that can be taken at any time. When the People's Republic of China is ready to eat our economic lunch in about 10 years, don't you think it might improve our chances if some of our kids could speak Chinese? And a lot of others could speak Spanish, so we can work with (and economically compete with) folks from South of the border? The BEST way to learn languages is to immerse yourself in them - in our school systems, with other kids who speak other languages.

KungFuLogic 9 years, 4 months ago

oscarfactor

Your truly stunning. Your probably going to tell us next that we should be teaching ebonics to achieve a higher plain of cultural enlightenment. Maybe if we go down to the Amazon jungles we can find some tribe so idiotic that there actually logically superior and we should adopt their language. English is the linguistic currency of this country, the stars and stripes the symbol of our nation. Won't you join our democratic society instead of standing on the fringes and hating the country that has given you and the illegal aliens the very right to have an opinion.

KungFuLogic 9 years, 4 months ago

The_Original_Knob

You missed your bus one too many times and therefore lacking oxygen due to sitting in the sun on Mass. The folks saying we don't want illegal aliens aren't saying we want to pay people slave wages, we're saying we don't want immigrants in our country illegally so that jobs paying slave labor for welfare recipients will open up.

Ken Miller 9 years, 4 months ago

Hate this country? I LOVE this country! That's why I expect more from it - to better itself by fostering and learning other languages and about other cultures. Surely even a limited person like yourself has to admit that the more you know about your competition, the better you can compete with them! And a "democratic society," as you say, is ALL ABOUT diversity, and allowing it so we can better understand everyone. As for ebonics, what do you have against ebonics? Heck, if learning ebonics would help us compete in an economic forum, I'd be all for that, too.

KungFuLogic 9 years, 4 months ago

oscarfactor

I'm not surprised your not opposed to ebonics. Perhaps to expand our "limited" enlightment we should have a latinoebonics. Diversity has nothing to do with superiority, that's why the Chinese are poised to kick our butts. They don't give a damn about this mamby-pamby diversity. Incidentlly, the brood of the ebonic mentality is coming home to roost in Cal., Tx and Az. Meanwhile, the rest of us are going to uphold logic and reason. Speak ENGLISH please.

Fatty_McButterpants 9 years, 4 months ago

You know...you all have convinced me. We should just do away with Customs & Border Enforcement. Let's just let everybody in the world that can afford the ticket to get here to come on in. It won't hurt our economy at all. I hear that having millions upon millions of additional homeless/jobless citizens is fantastic for an economy, not to mention population issues. I believe in LEGAL immigration. Do I think that the gov't should ease some of the restrictions to get visas? Yes, I do. Do I think that we should grant citizenship to current illegal aliens? No. My ancestors had to come here legally and so should they.

Just out of curiosity...if the protesting immigrants are so supportive of the United States, and just want to be productive members of its citizenry - how come you hardly ever see them waving an American flag??

xenophonschild 9 years, 4 months ago

First, leave Hillary Clinton alone, you vile right-wing hicks.

Second, you all seem to overlook that quite a few Mexican women are smolderingly beautiful. Olive skin, deep brown eyes . . . and other things. Anyway, as long as we can have access to their women, I say: "Come on up!"

Third, they're already here, so sending them back is ridiculously illogical. And take the long view: how bad are the things you worry about now going to seem in another thirty, forty years?

Ken Miller 9 years, 4 months ago

It would entertain me to no end to see KFL working in a restaurant in Beijing, unable to speak Mandarin Chinese, making barely enough for two bowls of rice a day - all because he wouldn't let go of his mantra "Speak English, Please!" And that's where he'll be, in 15 years, because the US of A was too narrowminded to learn about other cultures - and eventually we'll see American culture die out because we didn't want to be part of the world community.

Ken Miller 9 years, 4 months ago

Gotta go - but it was fun reigning down figurative blows upon your skull.

OKjayhawk 9 years, 4 months ago

Has anyone heard that a British song writer did a spanish version of "Star Spangled Banner"?

james bush 9 years, 4 months ago

Arrest the employers and the illegals will go home when nobody is hiring them. Close down Las Vegas!!!!

Confrontation 9 years, 4 months ago

I have to agree with the comments on marriage fraud. I know at least 10 men from Africa who came to Lawrence legally (as KU students). Most have since dropped out of school and became illegal. Then, they found women desperate enough to marry them and easy enough to convince that they loved them (also known as single mom's and white women). Seriously, all but one of the women was white. Now, these men can all be here legally and in scam marriages (on their part). I know a lot of illegals work ten times harder than these newly legals.

xenophonschild 9 years, 4 months ago

offtotheright:

My company employs over a dozen legal, documented immigrants from Mexico, and they are among our best, hardest workers. One of them, a good friend, is already a supervisor.

I think it's silly to worry too much about what these people will mean to the future of the country. People are people. As far as I can see, these people are good people, and we should count ourselves lucky to have them. We should do everything possible to encourage them to be good citizens and participate in every facet of American life.

gontek 9 years, 4 months ago

Last time I checked non-mexican citizens could not own land in Mexico. That might be a solution, that us more wealthy americans could buy land in Mexico and develop the infrastructure there, then make money from tourism. They can buy property here as illegals, but we can't buy their land.

KungFuLogic 9 years, 4 months ago

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bankboy119 9 years, 4 months ago

"Posted by xenophonschild (anonymous) on May 1, 2006 at 5:09 p.m. (Suggest removal)

offtotheright:

My company employs over a dozen legal, documented immigrants from Mexico, and they are among our best, hardest workers."

They're legal, that's awesome. I'm glad they are working hard.

Oscar,

I completely agree that to just speak English and try to make EVERYBODY else do it is ignorant and stupid. Most other countries, Europe and the Middle East especially, have citizens that speak 3+ languages.

kawrock 9 years, 4 months ago

Since when did our country change from scorn towards lawbreakers to the present system where we have some how trampled on the law breakers rights. My take on this issue is simple. If you are here illegally you need to go home. If you are here legally no matter what ethnic origin you belong to I say welcome.

geekin_topekan 9 years, 4 months ago

Did somebody say weak-minded single white women?

BOE 9 years, 4 months ago

Posted by KungFuLogic:

The_Original_Knob

You missed your bus one too many times and therefore lacking oxygen due to sitting in the sun on Mass.

====

Checked yer oximeter watewee, gwasshoppa?

  • Master Po

;)

xenophonschild 9 years, 4 months ago

Why not just annex Mexico? They have, what, 12 - 13 states. Instead of 50, we'll have 62 or 63.

Take their oil industry to pay for the costs of integrating them into our system. Mandate that all Mexican schools teach English, at least as a second language. Encourage Mexican males to serve in the U.S. military.

Annex Mexico. What could be simpler?

james bush 9 years, 4 months ago

Womyn learned how to spell satirically in the "women's studies" curriculum of KU's school of eliticism.

james bush 9 years, 4 months ago

Last message for all downtrodden people who suffer so badly in the USA.

xenophonschild 9 years, 4 months ago

Marion Lynn:

Since you are a former prison guard in Lansing, it is to be expected that you are closed-minded about the awesome talents and abilities of Sen. Hillary Clinton, the next president of the United States.

Believe me - by at least her sixth year in office - you will be one of her supporters.

james bush 9 years, 4 months ago

Aren't these protestors the same people who show up at the anarchists marches?

BOE 9 years, 4 months ago

Posted by xenophonschild

"Take their oil industry to pay for the costs of integrating them into our system. "

===

While I haven't done the math on "imposing" our multi-layered safety nets on another 100 million people (the far majority of whom live below the poverty line), you are obviously counting on some Saudi-like reserves.

== "Annex Mexico. What could be simpler?" ==

Understanding women?

xenophonschild 9 years, 4 months ago

BOE:

Learn to see the big picture. Don't sweat the details; that's what Republican hacks are for.

And it wouldn't be "imposing." Since so many of them are here already, we'd simply give the rest of them the opportunity to become norte americanos.

BOE 9 years, 4 months ago

I think the devil's in those details.

If we're going to go that far, might as well go all the way down to the Isthmus of Panama.

A much, much more managable border, to police.

Howzat for the "big picture"? ;)

BorderRat 9 years, 4 months ago

Hey Aaron, It just goes to show that your ancestors had a terrible immigration policy. Let's not make the same mistake again.

xenophonschild 9 years, 4 months ago

Marion Lynn:

I'm shocked that you haven't realized that legality, like morality, is relative. Occasionally, the definition changes with circumstances.

It is not logical, or practical, to complain about the legality or illegality of Mexican immigrants in the country.

I'm glad you never had a chance to write me up in Lansing.

xenophonschild 9 years, 4 months ago

BOE:

Let's do it! We need an outlet for normal, imperialistic expansionist policies. Give the Republicans who want to bomb Arabs something more local to do.

KsTwister 9 years, 4 months ago

You know it does make me wonder: news said all peacefull demonstrations. Good. But a day without illegal immigrants.....I wonder if all the crime rates dropped off?

Darrell Lea 9 years, 4 months ago

When laws don't work, new laws have to take their place. The article regarding prohibition should serve as a good example of that. If the law and the enforcement of the law was the least bit effective, then there wouldn't be 11,000,000 illegal immigrants living and trying to work here.

I feel that all the self-righteous hubris being sprouted about all those ILLEGAL people is not much more than very thinly disguised racism. It's a lot easier to gripe about folks when their skin is a different color and they speak a different language.

Beside that, isn't The United States of America simply one huge illegal occupation of Native lands that was propped up by hundreds of years of bloodshed and exploitation fostered by illegal European immigrants with more guns and a sense of entitlement?

Isn't it ironic when things come full circle?

xenophonschild 9 years, 4 months ago

Marion Lynn:

I apologize; I thought I read some time ago you were a prison guard in Lansing.

"Active criminals in our midst." Oh, please. Your grip on reality is fuzzy, to say the least.

What we need to be concerned about is terrorists infiltrating the country in the guise of Mexican immigrants. That means more stringent controls at the borders, something Congress just can't seem to legislate, or effect.

Time to elect Democrats.

Mike Blur 9 years, 4 months ago

Arminius:

Since I see you posting on this thread, I have a theory I'd like for you to chew on. Do you believe, as I do, that GWB is seriously considering amnesty for all illegals in this country now because he realizes the Republicans need to shore up their voter base for Nov. 2006 and Nov. 2008. The last set of illegals to be granted amnesty--2 million by Reagan by 1986--now blindly vote Republican in any election.

Since Bush proposed his "guest worker" (aka amnesty) program 2 years ago, illegal immigration has shot up from 5-6 mil to about 12 mil today.

james bush 9 years, 4 months ago

Thank you LJW! I read the Topeka Cap Journal everyday (can't recommend it though; it is a Liberal bastion of deception bent upon supporting democrat politicians and propagandists) but come to LJW for great reading! I love to hear the libs and repubs/dems and conservatives who have a voice/forum on THE LJW. The TCJ gushes liberal crappolla and expects its readers to swallow it without responce. THANK YOU LAWRENCE for letting me rant!!!!

james bush 9 years, 4 months ago

Keep the Mexican people and deport the likes of Ted Kennedy, Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, Dickie Durbin, Billary Clinton, Howling Howard Dean, Chucky Shumer. The Mexican people I've known are more honest than these politicians, as well as BUSH, the RNC and the DNC!

hottruckinmama 9 years, 4 months ago

if we were smart we'd be having the exact same protests right this minute about gas prices. raise enough heck shut down enough businesses and threaten to vote out enough politicains and you can bet money SOMEBODY in dc would think of SOMETHING they could do to bring them down right quit.

james bush 9 years, 4 months ago

PS: The Topeka cap journal is managed news. BEWARE!

james bush 9 years, 4 months ago

Is there a libertarian party in Lawrence? Beats being an anarchist.

mom13 9 years, 4 months ago

wow! I'm watching cnn and learning even more. So what if all americans wouldn't pick fruit, clean bathrooms. I would if it meant I would be eating so to speak. It all comes down to if people want to be here in the usa then they need to do it legally. Whether it be a day or years. People that come illegally get more assistance from the government-school, medical, housing, etc. Yet there are thousands here in america that can't get medical, or a job. We need to help our own before we go helping illegals and other countries. Sounds like we need to clean out the government and fix or restart it.

xenophonschild 9 years, 4 months ago

There is a lot to be said for a homogenized society, where everyone is essentially the same. The Japanese revere it. We don't; basically, because we can't.

Reality is, 12+ million Mexican immigrants are in the country - to stay. Get used to it, and to them. (My beloved Yankees just lost to the evil, wretched Red Sox.) You can cover them in paper, temporize and have politicians pontificate, but those 12+ million are a reality.

Most of them have showed admirable human initiative by moving from someplace not favorable to existence, to someplace that is. It's a story as old as humankind. Resistance to new groups, tribes, clans coming into your territory is also as old as humankind. We don't have the option of sectarian/racial violence, so we'll probably have to make do and learn to co-exist.

I don't know that you conservatives should complain all that long or loudly. Conservatives like to have groups they can feel superior to, and the very foundation of the Republican Party's grip on power is still based on Richard Nixon's "Southern strategy" of the late '60s, whereby Republican sought, won, and have retained power largely by encouraging voters to ignore and deny the humanity of people who were not like them.

james bush 9 years, 4 months ago

Hey Gringoes, I see some Mexican restaurants are closing for "take over USA day". I hope I can remember which ones do from which ones don't. If I can't?, guess I'll just quit eating mexican food! In fact, I'm sure of it............no more Taco Bell, Taco Tico... don't think these are really mexican but....."I don't want to........but I have no other choice"........just heard Latinos say same phrase on CNN.! I think I will just not "do Mexican" anymore. Suits me!

xenophonschild 9 years, 4 months ago

macon 47:

Very effective. Made me chuckle - and illustrates what a wonderfully benign country and people we are, and why people want to come here.

One thing for sure, there aren't any easy or simple solutions. Hope our leaders are smarter than we are.

mom13 9 years, 4 months ago

I like KsTwister about taking busch hunting with cheney that's funny. Trukermom is right too. If everyone gathered together to protest the gas prices maybe something would be done. What about our representative who voted for that illegal bill because he didn't think it'd pass? We here in our area need to get him out and replace him with someone that will stick up for us by what we think not by his individual thoughts and thinking. Darn I just forgot his name. Sorry. But like one of the senators on cnn just commeted that illegals don't speak for us who are citizens by natural or legal ways.

lovenhaight 9 years, 4 months ago

For those of you complaining about paying for illegal immigrants to have benefits, how about the costs associated with incarcerating these people? Do you know anything about this bill, about what it would do to these people? That it would take away funding to organizations who help undocumented immigrants? That includes homeless shelters who take care of other people. Most undocumented people come from overstaying their visas, not going through "a hole in the fence".

Oh, and the person talking about having flag decals on vehicles...how often do you see cars with German or Irish front license plates? Jackass.

james bush 9 years, 4 months ago

Got to confess.......Mexicans working for Carolina Carports..the ubiquitous aluminun carports you see at every used car dealer and elsewhere/seemingly everwhere....... erected one these for me and did it quickly. They are hardworking!

However, I would not recommend the carports. While the Mexicans worked hard and efficiently, the carports are not wind- worthy and I'M RETHINKING HOW TO MAKE MY STRUCTURE MORE WIND-RESISTANT.

mom13 9 years, 4 months ago

That comment above says alot. You don't see any other countries letting people come illegally and we as america have to step up and enforce the laws. That's all. We don't have laws to just have them. If we let all these people come illegally without trouble that just invites more people to break laws. If pelple that come illegally can break american laws what's to say that people in their areas don't start breaking laws because"if they can why can't we".

mom13 9 years, 4 months ago

come on tnuC keep on the subject on hand not badmouthing people for their right to free speech, etc. Everyone has a different opinion. People need to focus on how are we going to either get the bill passed or turned down. It makes adiffernce we need to get our voices heard and try to make a difference it's the people who don't vote and voice that complain a lot too. Like they teach you in highschool about rights and duties of a citizen. If you don't vote and voice then you have no right to complain.

james bush 9 years, 4 months ago

I'm watching CNN and Anderson Cooper.............think i like Mexicans ........the young people seem happy.......Oh well, despite CNN, this too shall pass and tomorrow?............we'll all just need to get along!

javier87 9 years, 4 months ago

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2006-04-29-mexico-drugs_x.htm

Check this out....This is an example of Mexican Government at it's best. I am hispanic and I am embarrased by the mexican governments effort to fight the drug war. This is ridiculous. Click on the link and tell me what you think.

Apparently, the Mexican government thinks that legalizing drug use is far more important than creating quality jobs so their citizens don't have to cross the border in order to search for a job.

javier87 9 years, 4 months ago

Don't blame the people trying to find better jobs to support their family, blame the Mexican government for their futile efforts to improve life in Mexico. It is not the responsibility of the U.S. to support or help these people. The Mexican government should do something to prevent it's citizens from crossing the border.

Berserk 9 years, 4 months ago

Rofl, Man it was so nice today in Kansas City. ¢ I didn't have to wait in line anywhere. ¢ Traffic was actually ok on I-35. ¢ Decided to put a down payment on a new car to just to show that money is getting spent, while all the jackasses sit at home and protest a government they want to be a part of. ¢ Decided not to go to any of the places that were closed today "due to the holiday" ever again.

All in all, good day!

mom13 9 years, 4 months ago

Shoot even better idea why won't the government check see what it would take to just add mexico or the whole area so to speak- it could be a negative or a positive. Shoot if the mexican government doesn't want to do anything we should just help all of mexico and see what we could do. You never know it's an idea!? Hmmmm... Not that I would personally want to but to help on each level and most people it could be a benefit.

mom13 9 years, 4 months ago

Lol maybe even set up an area, sounds kind of bad but I'm not meaning that way, for immigrants who arent legal and they could stay there tilsomething happens. Something along those lines without seeming and being bad or evil.

Confrontation 9 years, 4 months ago

I think the real issue is: Why do posters with the word "mom" in their names always have the worst grammar? I think we should forget about illegals and focus on education. Apparently, parents can't be expected to teach their kids what they (the parents) don't know.

mom13 9 years, 4 months ago

okay confrontation you fit your name. I'm not out to nit pik at people. You obviously have nothing to do but point out bs. I have an excellent education and doing college.... you know what I have nothing to explain. I just am not taking the time to spellchek, and grammerize my comments. This area is for chatting and commenting on the subjects at hand not whether someone is this or that.

mom13 9 years, 4 months ago

I hear you marion. People like that with personal "attacks" just encourage people not to want to comment, etc. This isn't a place to do that sort of stuff. Those type of people are the ones who "pick on others to make themselves feel better".

On to the subject at hand there is a anderson cooper show tomorrow night about him being live on the borders, etc. I love cnn. And right now he's getting ready to report about some people that have gotten together to build the border fences, fix them, etc. I love that it shows how the people work together and faster than the government. Hmm sounds familiar-New Orleans. We won't go there now tho. C u all n the morning.

nowandthen 9 years, 4 months ago

All I have to say is that people are SO ignorant that it hurts.

These illegal immigrants are breaking the law and that's all there is to it. I'm sure America won't go to hell if the illegal immigrants go back to Mexico. And I'm pretty sure there are plenty of people who would do those jobs if they really needed to. We have enough problems without them causing more.

Hoots 9 years, 4 months ago

If you think all this uncontrolled immigration is so great I say look at what has gone on in France over the past several months. If they don't get what they want are riots too far away?

The question becomes exactly how many uneducated and poor people can we sustain here. We as a nation are in desperate need of people with engineering, computer, and other skilled backgrounds. What we are getting are people who as the numbers increase bring very little to our table. $4 an hour workers are not what this nation needs to keep its place in the world.

Many of those dollars made by the illigals here end up in the home country and props up the economy in said country. That is well documented with illigals from the south.

I also have to wonder what happened to the guys I saw on roofs just a couple of years ago? Americans did this job here until just awhile back. Now that job is done by mostly people from Mexico. How are the Americans that use to do that job feeding the family now?

How would you like it if someone came in, took your job, and then made it so your hard work was worth a fraction of what it once was? Low wages and illegal immigration have a price. You might think differently if you were the one paying it.

leaderoftheband 9 years, 4 months ago

HARLINGEN Agents Learn About MS13 Gangs

Mexico's most violent and powerful gang is infiltrating the Valley. In some cases setting up in your neighborhood causing murders, rapes and leading human smuggling rings.

U.S. Border Patrol agents say they're taking action to win the war against gang violence. They're concerned MS 13's are recruiting young teenagers.

That's one reason why the Border Patrol held a seminar Thursday. Because it deals with Homeland Security, the media was not allowed inside.

But, they say the McAllen sector has 38 gang members in custody, who will eventually be deported, that number doesn't represent how many are actually living here.

Mara Salvatrucha's are known as the most dangerous gang around. Border agents say they started in California during the early 90's, then recruited members in their home countries of El Salvador and Honduras.

Now, agents say there are cells almost everywhere. Even the government is warning the Mara Salvatrucha's could possibly have ties with Al Qaeda.

Assistant Chief Jorge Garza, who oversees the border patrol intelligence program, says the MS 13 gang is a threat to homeland security.

"They're involved in murders, rape, smuggling of people and contraband and they'll stop at nothing to get their mission accomplished."

Thursday afternoon, intelligence agents teamed up with other law enforcement officers to get insight into this deadly gang influencing in the Valley.

"There's no doubt about it they are trying to recruit people into their gang and the younger the better because they're impressionable and they can mold them into the way they want to mold them and get a loyal gang member."

If you just walk by Haine Drive in Harlingen, you'll see one of their signs, the numbers 13 spray painted over many fences.

Gang members are identified by their tattoos, they normally have MS and the number 13 inked all over their skin.

Garza says, "If you see that kind of spray painting, if you see that kind of marking MS or 13 or other symbols like that, contact you local agency, talk to your police department talk to your sheriff's office."

Border agents also say they have caught Mara Salvatrucha's crossing illegal immigrants into the U.S. from Mexico.

The reason, it's a huge money maker. Agents say an MS 13 member can make about thirty thousand dollars crossing one Chinese immigrant in this country.

WHAT PART OF ILLEGAL DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND?

badger 9 years, 4 months ago

They broke the law to enter the country and they're breaking the law to stay here. That's the beginning and end of the 'right or wrong' of it for me. Change the laws if you want; I don't so much care about that, but this business of ignoring the eleven million (or however many we have) people in this country who are breaking the law, and their employers who are breaking the law, that part of it really needs to stop.

I don't really think they're taking my job, or sucking up my healthcare dollars, or whatever. If they don't, someone will.

I DO care that they are a large population exempt from the protections and strictures of law. A man can rape a woman and get away with it because she is illegal and afraid of going to the police. An employer can pay pittance wages and subject his employees to conditions OSHA says are too hazardous for workers because he employs people with no power to complain. People can be robbed, beaten, murdered, and no one will speak up because everyone involved is an illegal. Illegal aliens can commit crimes, and none of the witnesses will talk to police because they, too, are illegal immigrants.

That, to me, is the true cost of illegal immigration. Not jobs or the price of grapes or insurance costs. We have a powerless, disenfranchised subclass of our population, all of whom are essentially second-class citizens. They are subject to all manner of predators ranging from police to fellow illegal immigrants to employers, and we turn a blind eye to it.

Honestly, I really don't care if you build a fence to keep them out, triple the quotas and soften the immigration criteria to let in more people legally, or what. I just want the business of facilitating illegal immigrants' presence in this country to end. We argue about whether they should be allowed drivers' licenses and what sort of tuition they should pay, when in fact the problem is that we know they're here, we know they're living in our economy, and we know they're easy game for every social predator they encounter, but we get lost in the stupidity of whether or not legal residents would pick lettuce.

Every time I see another piece of legislation dancing around, "Well, they're illegal, but..." it bothers me, because it seems like even the advocates of not cracking down don't care terribly much that living outside the law as they do means they also live outside its protections.

Sarah Mathews 9 years, 4 months ago

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