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Wakarusa inspections infuriate the ACLU

June 13, 2006

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Members of the American Civil Liberties Union attempted to file an injunction to stop blanket vehicle searches outside of the Wakarusa Music Festival this weekend, saying the police action may have been unconstitutional.

But ACLU members had little prior knowledge of the traffic stops and searches, and had a difficult time finding the one thing they needed to take legal action: Someone mad enough to step forward.

"We couldn't find a plaintiff," Douglas County ACLU President Phil Minkin said. "Without one, we don't go looking for a plaintiff."

The possibility of an injunction stemmed from local attorneys contacting the ACLU after speaking to clients who believed the Kansas Highway Patrol's searches were based on the way they looked rather than real evidence of illegal substances or wrongdoing, said Brett Shirk, director of ACLU of Kansas and Western Missouri.

"I had concerns they have been stopping people based on what they looked like," Shirk said. "There very well may have been Fourth Amendment search-and-seizure issues."

Shirk then called the ACLU's legal panel to see about possible legal action, including a state or federal court injunction that would have temporarily stopped the searches, he said.


Dylan Purington, 22, relaxes Monday morning at the Wakarusa Festival campgrounds at Clinton Lake. Local attorneys contacted the ACLU after their clients said they believed searches were based on the way they looked rather than real evidence of illegal substances or wrongdoing.

Dylan Purington, 22, relaxes Monday morning at the Wakarusa Festival campgrounds at Clinton Lake. Local attorneys contacted the ACLU after their clients said they believed searches were based on the way they looked rather than real evidence of illegal substances or wrongdoing.

But the legal board said they required a formal complaint to proceed, and neither Shirk nor officials at the Douglas County ACLU office had received one.

The Highway Patrol stopped every car using the toll lane exiting Interstate 70 at Kansas Highway 10 Thursday and Friday regardless of how the vehicle or the driver looked, Lt. John Eickhorn from the Highway Patrol said.

"We didn't discriminate about how people looked," he said.

Eickhorn admitted some cars received more thorough checks than others, but only when evidence of wrongdoing presented itself.

The car may have smelled like burning pot. The driver could have been nervous, more nervous than a typical driver at a traffic stop.

Or, he said, the car could have looked trashed, as if someone had lived in it for days at a time.

"Typically drug dealers don't stop," he said of a dealer's driving habits. "That's a good indication that criminal activity is afoot."

Shirk said legal action against the Highway Patrol or other law enforcement units remains a possibility, but only if local attorneys or their clients come forward with complaints.

"If there was police misconduct, if that would happen, the ACLU may very well investigate," Shirk said. "But the ball is in the court of local attorneys at this point."

Kevin DeSisto, 35, Boston, who was standing outside the Douglas County Jail Monday after being released on bond on a marijuana charge, said he was considering filing a civil-rights lawsuit against the state for what he alleged was an improper search.

He said he and a group of his friends were arrested Sunday morning after officers knocked on the door of their rented RV and alleged that someone in the vehicle had sold LSD and ecstasy to an undercover KBI agent.

DeSisto said during the ensuing search of the people and the vehicle, officers found him in possession of a pipe and a quarter-ounce of high-grade marijuana, but he said it was for personal use. He said the group had $10,000 seized by police from a lock box inside the vehicle, which he said was money for their trip.

"We're going to do a class-action lawsuit," he said. "We're as serious as can be."

Elsewhere at Wakarusa this weekend, agents from Alcoholic Beverage Control spent time watching for minors with drinks at the concert.

Agent Fletcher Hill said that was part of the ABC's statewide enforcement effort, and Wakarusa presented an opportunity to watch for underage drinkers.

"We get pretty good at spotting people who are too young to drink," Hill said. "It's not just random."

All the ABC officers were undercover, he said, and turned over any violators to the Douglas County Sheriff's Department.

Hill said they were also on the lookout for people selling cigarettes and drinks at the festival without a license. The agency made at least one arrest after watching a concert attendee allegedly mixing drinks near a tent.

Only beer was sold at the concert.

And all the empty beer cans - and myriad of trash people produced - meant plenty of work for cleanup crews after the four-day event.

"It's hundreds and hundreds of people out here taking down tents, taking down stages, picking up trash," organizer Brett Mosiman said. "It's a huge undertaking."

Mosiman said he hoped to have the park back the way it was by Friday, and that the event had been another huge success, police presence and all.

And next year, Mosiman said he expected the event to be back at the park for four more days of music in the sun.

"I hope they invite us back," he said.

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conservative 8 years, 6 months ago

Alright, show of hands. How many believe that the 10,000 wasn't drug money?

pity2bu 8 years, 6 months ago

"We couldn't find a plaintiff," Douglas County ACLU President Phil Minkin said. "Without one, we don't go looking for a plaintiff."

We never go looking for one, is this guy for real. Yes, all of you associated with the aclu go looking for plaintiffs, you're like ambulance chasers. You better read the law before you go jumping in head first as you might embarass yourselves. You people are like defense attorneys, you couldn't make it as prosecutors.

ben_ness 8 years, 6 months ago

While questioning whether 10k is drug money in this case one should default back to the qp of high grade mota. If these guys are together enough to have that kind of money through honest means, they would have been traveling with plastic, not cash. They were definitely slingin'.

lunacydetector 8 years, 6 months ago

the ACLU defending drug dealers- doesn't the ACLU have better things to do like defending the rights of the sicko North American Man-Boy Love Association (NAMBLA)?

geekin_topekan 8 years, 6 months ago

Sounds like the ACLU needs volunteers next year. Hang out in the camp ground and interview people who first come in. "Please fill out this uniform complaint if you and your car was searched for no apparent reason." Maybe a ACLU booth with a giant banner-"searched?Find justice here"

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 8 years, 6 months ago

'Or, he said, the car could have looked trashed, as if someone had lived in it for days at a time. "Typically drug dealers don't stop," he said of a dealer's driving habits. "That's a good indication that criminal activity is afoot."'

If that's what they call "probable cause," along with the obvious profiling involved in not searching the K-tag line, my prediction is that a whole lot of these cases will be thrown out of court.

monkeyhawk 8 years, 6 months ago

If I withdrew $10,000 in cash from my bank, I would be forced to sign a document to be filed with the government. That's not "walkabout" money.

ben_ness 8 years, 6 months ago

Oh, my bad. I read that as a quarter pound as opposed to quarter ounce. Scratch that. They probably just had it for recreational use. Guess I shouldn't have read that article before having my morning coffee.

ben_ness 8 years, 6 months ago

If they just had a quarter ounce the police shouldn't have been able to seize their cash. That is ludacris and will hopefully be considered illegal seizure.

monkeywrench1969 8 years, 6 months ago

The ACLU is soliciting clients through free advertising via the LJW article. What a lazy method to use to get clients and shame on the LJW to give them the opportunity

DaREEKKU 8 years, 6 months ago

I've been really dissappointed with the childish, ignorant, and miseducated posts I've been reading on the board lately. It's usually always the same people over and over too. Does anybody have anything substantial to say anymore??

Re: the article, I pose this question. Those of you who are conservative in politics should be outraged and backing the ACLU in their actions. These searches constitute an expanded role of government into your private lives without just cause (in SOME instances). So doesn't that make you a little bit mad??

geekin_topekan 8 years, 6 months ago

Since there are so many in jail why doesn't the ACLU just use their divine influence and mosey over to the jail and interupt the yoga class(yes)to get an interview with those clients? Think I'll give them a call.

chzypoof1 8 years, 6 months ago

Honestly Marion....they didn't need 10k at a 4 day concert. I realize the hot dogs were probably $10, like at any festival, but no one keeps that much cash with them for extended periods of time. Maybe you MOVED a large sum of cash, but you didn't drive around with it for days.

Get over your "The MAN is holding me down" attitude, and quit defending drug toting hippies.

Anyway, maybe we could use the $$$ from the arrests to build the SLT through the SWAMP!!!!

bluedog 8 years, 6 months ago

$10,000 does seem like a lot for travel money.

geekin_topekan 8 years, 6 months ago

Who's to say that Lawrence was their only stop?I believe that they were on an extended vacation of fun and sun and music drugs and nekked hippie chicks.All of which does a body good in moderation. I logged a quarter million miles before I was 30 and cash was my prefered medium.I,as they are,was young.As I got older I found safer ways and that only comes from experience.Like this one,I hope that they are only the wiser for it. $10,000 is NOT a lot of travel money.I walked around with tens of thousands in cash.In a backpack,no gun,no advertising money bag.just me minding my own business.

thomgreen 8 years, 6 months ago

Two things:

1st. What kind of sensational reporting is this with a headline like "Wakarusa inspections infuriate the ACLU"? Infuriate? Why would they use such an inflaming title, when I doubt anyone was actually infuriated from the ACLU. Disturbed?, most likely, infuriated?, doubtful, unless it was one of them that got pulled over and searched, and if that was the case then they would have their plaintiff.

2nd. $10,000 in cash between a group of people in an RV isn't that unlikely. If they are one of the groups that go from festival to festival, most of them peddle crafts to sustain their lifestyle. That is an economic system that uses cash over plastic (at least I don't see too many of them asking cash or credit at their blankets when they are selling their necklaces, rings, or other baubles. One of the vendors we were talking to had made $3000 selling her handcrafted jewelry the first day of the festival. If you add up all the festivals they go to, $10,000 is a very understandable amount of money to have on them in cash.

But don't get me wrong, illegal is illegal. If you're willing to break the law to smoke some weed, you should be willing to pay the consequences when you get caught. You are accountable for your actions. If you don't like the laws, then work to get them changed, don't just sit there and cry foul when you get busted for breaking those laws.

rubix 8 years, 6 months ago

This is pretty funny. I have never seen so many people congregated in forum who really have so many issues with drugs being seized at an 'outdoor festival'. Honestly, should they have been free to carry thier drugs around to use or sell, possibly to some of your kids? I know, I know, no one's kids here would EVER do drugs, its everyone else's kids and everyone else who has the problem. Apparently that's the problem, no one wants to take responsiblity for observing the law, so the police have to enforce it. Its a tragedy when drug posession charges are handed down when they are deserved, isn't it?

traveler 8 years, 6 months ago

For a lot of folks at this festival this was just one stop in a summer long tour of festivals/concerts. Think about it... $10,000 really is not that much money if you consider this RV was probably rented by several friends who will likely be attending another festival or two in the coming weeks. Splitting up costs (food, gas, beer, etc.) is much easier with cash. Say 5 friends rented the RV. $2,000 per person does not sound like an unreasonable amount of cash for a cross-country trip with your friends.

lunacydetector 8 years, 6 months ago

where does someone get $10,000 cash if they are not gainfully employed? unless, the person was gainfully employed, of course. i thought most of these hippies were jobless since a lot of them travel the country following these festivals.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 8 years, 6 months ago

The issue of illegal/unconstitutional search isn't just an issue for the people who were arrested.

It's also an issue for anyone who was at that festival, minding their own business, who was searched or harrassed by LE for no cause whatsoever. And even you aren't searched, the vast majority of festival goers were law-abiding and well-behaved, and an overbearing LE presence definitely can easily destroy the whole atmosphere of the festival.

This is an issue for anyone anywhere who wants to retain the constitutional protections we have against the unchecked power of a police state.

concerned_citizen 8 years, 6 months ago

Marion is absolutely right about the assumptions of LE regarding cash. Smells like profiling. So what if a bunch of hippies have a box of 10k? Five guys working all fall/winter/spring at Super Target or Jiffy Lube to bank that much for their summer festival fun. If they were drug dealers, where was their inventory? But the ACLU are also a bunch of left-wing abulance chasers. Interesting that only the ACLU seems to be infuriated.

conservative 8 years, 6 months ago

I think many of you defending the carrying of 10,000 as a not unusual occurence, are forgetting that the money was found as a result of search because they were trying to sell drugs to an undercover officer. I am finding the way some of you are willing to believe any kind of flimsy excuse a good tutorial on how things like the OJ verdict happen.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 8 years, 6 months ago

"i thought most of these hippies were jobless since a lot of them travel the country following these festivals."

Pretty much everything you post is baseless, so I'm not surprised that you assumed this about people you have never met and know nothing about.

swampmusic 8 years, 6 months ago

Marion:

I find it difficult to believe anybody as illiterate as you has ever amassed $40,000 dollars in his life. You constantly misspell words and then dazzle us with your atrocious grammar and punctuation. I have been reading this forum for several months. Until today, I have never felt the desire to post. I was perfectly content to just sit back and giggle. But, enough is enough. You are either a fabricator of stories the likes of James Frey, or the biggest buffoon in the state. Who in their right mind goes into a bank wearing a gun? 2nd Amendment aside. Are you some kind of moron? While I am on a rant, two more questions. Is there any subject you are not the foremost authority? Also, are all government agencies single-mindedly out to destroy you? Wait a minute. I take back my remark about the $40,000. Even good ole Jed Clampett fell a$$ backwards into a fortune just huntin' possum.

geekin_topekan 8 years, 6 months ago

"where do they come up with $10,000 in cash if they are not gainfully employed?". +++ I am very traveled in the festival circuit and I am here to educate,not criticize.They have their own "underground"economy.Unfortunatly some of it IS drug related but most of it is not. Cash flows freely in these festivals.A persons needs are front line at these things and this young culture is very aware of each others needs.Food and gas are the most obvious.Doing favors for money is an accepted way of earning your place amongst them.Fixing a poor running car for example.Selling beadwork,tyedie,macrame,breakfast,tams(those reggae hats)are examples of the way that gas money and the endless summer is supported. Most of them DO hold full time jobs throughout the winter months.Some have come to be business owners as a result of the festival life.Complete with employees and taxes to pay. Regardless of what many think,they are responsible peace loving and people with dreams,ambitions and bright futures.Some will go on to college,some will become stringent business people.Othes may slide into the gutter and become homeless burdens.Regardless,what you are seeing at wakafest is their journey,not their destination.Same as you'd find at any public school.

jonas 8 years, 6 months ago

Conservative: Of course, the flip side is the way some believe any flimsy excuse by the government or police is a good tutorial on. . . . oh, I don't know, pick something totally irrelevent to the issue at hand and go with it.

ben_ness 8 years, 6 months ago

swampmusic: Last I checked, spelling and punctuation don't determine a persons ability to make money. Some of the brightest people I know are also some of the poorest. There is a big difference between academic literacy and financial literacy. Plus, 40k is nothing....

assistant1234 8 years, 6 months ago

Give me a break you tinfoil hat wearing libs - these guys had drugs, tried to sell them to a undercover agent - read that sentence several times and then tell me they didn't have probable cause. Marion, just b/c one time you had a lot of cash and weren't selling drugs doesn't prove that these guys weren't. Also, it's PROBABLE cause, not DEFINITE cause. Are the cops going to be 100% sure before they take your stuff? No, and guess what, they are required to be.

assistant1234 8 years, 6 months ago

Sorry, thats "they aren't required to be". I must need some more coffee.

CanadianPassport 8 years, 6 months ago

How do they afford lawyers? The money that congressman Jefferson gives them!! That's how! Isn't it interesting that the FBI found only 90k of the 100k that Jefferson took as a bribe. We found the other 10k!! http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060522/pl_nm/usa_congress_raid_dc

acg 8 years, 6 months ago

I don't necessarily buy that whole "they tried to sell drugs to undercover police" line, personally. I've dealt with several police officers from the Lawrence area for different reasons and I am not impressed. And my best friend was married to a LPD officer for many years (before she couldn't take him beating her kids anymore and left him) and I have been around a lot of them. They're not necessarily honest just because some poor misguided idiot gave them a badge and a gun and a license to club people in the head for no reason. I've come across racist cops, hateful cops, small man syndrome, wife beaters, child abusers and a guy that had a foot fetish. So just because some piggie from the cop shop says this guy did whatever, doesn't make it so.

conservative 8 years, 6 months ago

Jonas, you are correct. It had nothing to do with the issue at hand, but I found it amusing. Frankly I enjoyed having a nonsequitor on the board that didn't involve bashing Bush, Clinton, the commission, swamps, roundabouts, etc.

Jamesaust 8 years, 6 months ago

If you stop EACH car, then you don't have a search & seizure issue. There is no unlawful discrimination. Nor is there privacy on a public thoroughfare. If a more thorough search is indentified via specific, reasonable particulars (such as unusual nervousness or a "lived in" auto interior appearance) then courts will uphold that search as valid.

If police working undercover make a "buy" of an illegal substance then that is a basis for a further search of the seller's person, vehicle, etc.

That's the law - and fairly settled law at that.

The ACLU here is worried less about whether there are any unconstitutional issues then they are in forcing a PUBLIC POLICY change despite the constitutionality of the original policy. It is THAT reason that the ACLU carries such suspicion with conservatives despite the organization's other valid and laudable work.

thomgreen 8 years, 6 months ago

Funny how everyone brings up the "fact" that they tried to sell drugs to an undercover agent, but the drug they supposedly were trying to sell wasn't found on any of them. It's the old "you were swerving" routine. A police officer can pull you over at any time if they REALLY wanted to (luckily, in car cameras are starting to curb this ability). All they have to say is that you were swerving and that gives them probably cause. It's the same in this situation. All they had to say was that someone offered to sell an undercover agent some drugs. That is their probably cause, whether it was true or not (can we starting mic'ing undercover sting agents?). Unfortunately for them, there were drugs and a large amount of cash. Neither of those by themselves are necessarily damning, but together they don't look too good.

pity2bu 8 years, 6 months ago

Uh, they're a bunch of lawyers...I think they know to do that first. Are YOU a lawyer? Wait, why should I ask, you're obviously way, way too ignorant to be an attorney. sick_of_right_wingers

"You people are like defense attorneys, you couldn't make it as prosecutors."

Uh, dude...that is the most uninformed statement I've ever heard. Something right off of Rush Scumbaugh. First off, many prosecutors were defenders first, and vice versa. Second, you couldn't have one without the other. GOD, you're dumb.

GOD knows who the stupid one is: "Uh, dude..." and your have been mis-informed about defense attorneys, they just could not make it as in the real world prosecuting the idiots. You're either a defense attorney, or a right winger because I got under your skin uh, dude.

Linda Endicott 8 years, 6 months ago

TOB, no, most RV places wouldn't rent to just anybody. Most car rental places won't rent to just anybody. Most vehicle rental places anymore require a credit card, or you can't rent at all. So, at least one of them had to have plastic, or they wouldn't have been able to rent the RV.

If they had plastic, why all the cash?

I remain cautiously suspicious about it. If I was going on a prolonged trip, and had saved money for that trip, with all the theft and everything anymore, I think I'd get traveler's checks or something, so I wouldn't have all that cash on hand, and if it was stolen I wouldn't be left stranded.

As for the pot the guy had...he certainly knew that it was illegal. And as someone else pointed out, if you don't think it should be illegal, then work to get the laws changed, don't whine because you got caught doing something illegal.

Sigmund 8 years, 6 months ago

I think Jamesaust has it just about right, but we will see. BTW, try depositing $10,000 in cash in any federally regulated Bank or Credit Union. Try making three deposits of $3,333 for three consecutive weeks. The financial institution is required to send this information to the Fed's, it's a anti money laundering statute, and as far as I know it's not "profiling". Oh, and be prepared to answer questions from the IRS about where you got it and if it has been taxed yet.

bankboy119 8 years, 6 months ago

rightwinger, if some one withdrew $10,000 then they MOST likely would have to fill out the form. The law is that for any negotiable instruments OVER $10,000 but most places will fill it out for amounts around $10,000 if it is not a customer who normally deals with that large of an amount. If it was wired, nothing would be filled out.

Also, "They now DON'T support state's rights (gay marriage, abortion, food regs, etc.)" As per gay marriage, every state that has put it to vote has voted down gay marriage and your liberal judges say that gays can marry. That's a violation of separation of powers. If you look at the vote for gay marriage in the Senate, it was down party lines for the most part, minus the idiot from Nebraska who didn't bother to show up.

DaRee, completely agree with you. I don't like the ACLU but I do agree with them on this one.

oldvet 8 years, 6 months ago

Going back to the ACLU... "We couldn't find a plaintiff," Douglas County ACLU President Phil Minkin said. "Without one, we don't go looking for a plaintiff." Point 1... They couldn't "find a plaintiff" but "we don't go looking for a plaintiff." Doesn't "couldn't find" seem to indicate "looking for" ?
Point 2... Traffic was backed up 2 miles, people waiting in line for hours, and they can't "find" someone who was mad enough to complain to them???!!! Sounds more like they wanted to use the situation well after the fact for a little free publicity... I guess they should be applauded, for they surely accomplished that goal!

kingdork44 8 years, 6 months ago

Gosh, I wonder what the impound fees will be on the RV. They might have to pull out the plastic to get it out. Or Western Union.

Jim Fisher 8 years, 6 months ago

"Cars that are trashed, looking like they have been lived in for days". How long does it take to drive here from Boston, or wherever? At least they're not dumping their trash roadside, like the bubba who leaves me his natty lite can in my culvert every day. Travel the township roads after they mow, and wonder: who are the stewards of the Earth? Would waiting in line for hours tend to make a person appear more agitated (re: nervous) than at a normal traffic stop? What if they had never been pulled over before? We read that 300k don't get ya the house that it used to anymore, but 10k is too much to travel with, for a group in an RV that probably gets less than 10 mpg, and a 35 gallon tank. The gestapo is just looking for an excuse, and confiscation is big windfalls for the locals. I'm down with the rank and file cops, they have a hard job out there, but the orchestrated harassment towards freedom lovers and closet capitalists sucks.

Sigmund 8 years, 6 months ago

Marion, enjoy the Rolls. I will be looking for a picture online!! Be sure to get a reciept for property tax purposes and registration fees, etc. You know I'm going to want a ride......

CanadianPassport 8 years, 6 months ago

I'm all for using cash to avoid taxes, but in doing so you lose out on things like interest. That's why I use gold dubloons to pay all my bills, public and private. If you never deposit your cash to begin with, you might as well spend it as cash. But you're still losing out on the time value of money. And yes, since I know you all were wondering, my computer has a dubloon acceptor that allows me to pay all my bills online.

kingdork44 8 years, 6 months ago

I agree bob. I just doesn't add up. a quarter oz. of pot with 10K. in a rented RV. ??????

jackie 8 years, 6 months ago

Jamesaust, Do you have any cases to support your legal points?

local_support 8 years, 6 months ago

The festival sold tickets in all 50 states so we had people in from every corner of the country. These stories of out of control law enforcement will be spread far and wide which will ultimately reduce much needed tourism dollars and hurt our already damaged reputation.

Between this, the evolution debate and Fred Phelps the state of Kansas looks like a cross between an Orwellian police state and Medieval England.

reginafliangie 8 years, 6 months ago

who in the hell needs $10,000 to spend the weekend out of town, where were they headed, France? If you are found with drugs and a large amount of money, it is considered either drug money (made by selling drugs) or money to be spent on drugs. You could of rented the fanciest hotel room and hired a limo and have eaten out at the best resturants in town and never spent that kind of cash. I don't buy that excuse.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 8 years, 6 months ago

"who in the hell needs $10,000 to spend the weekend out of town, where were they headed, France?"

There are festivals every weekend all over the country over the whole summer. Thousands of people spend the summer traveling from one to the next. It's not France, but still costs a fair amount of money, and the "festival economy" is largely cash-based.

reginafliangie 8 years, 6 months ago

acg

Just FYI it was NOT the Lawrence Police that were at the Wak Fest. So before you start bashing them, maybe you need to know who was actually involved in the festival. It was the DG Sheriff, ABC, KHP, FBI.

Confrontation 8 years, 6 months ago

How much do you want to bet that the application for KTAGs greatly increases right before next year's event?

Confrontation 8 years, 6 months ago

"Doing favors for money is an accepted way of earning your place amongst them."

You don't say....

jonas 8 years, 6 months ago

"Posted by conservative (anonymous) on June 13, 2006 at 9:39 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Jonas, you are correct. It had nothing to do with the issue at hand, but I found it amusing. Frankly I enjoyed having a nonsequitor on the board that didn't involve bashing Bush, linton, the commission, swamps, roundabouts, etc."

Hmmmmm. . . . and a good point it is. A good point, indeed.

acg 8 years, 6 months ago

reginaFILANGE: if you'll reread my post, you'll notice I did not say that the cops were Lawrence Police Officers at Wak Fest, but cops from the Lawrence area. That being, LPD, Sheriff's Office, etc. I said a friend of mine was married to an LPD officer. Either way, my comments were very easily understandable. Maybe you should try to comprehend what you're reading before you retort, as to avoid making yourself look like an ass. It's kind of like, making sure you spelled a screenname that you stole from an outdated television show correctly before posting under it. Thanks! :)

commuter 8 years, 6 months ago

I guess the real question is did the police have probal cause. A judge is one to determine that fact. I am not a lawyer but I would think so.

The second real question is the enforcement of possession of an illegal substance. If the 1/4 of oz is for personal use, does this imply it is ok to have illegal drugs as long as it is for personal use? If so, please let me know range. I would have liked to see how much drugs some of musicians could have "claimed" is for personal use.

I guess if you are pissed off at the law enforcement for doing their job, vote some more of your pot head or hippie brothern or sistern into office (Boog) and get the laws changed. Remember prohibition?

Also, I have been pulled over a couple of times by DG sheriffs and were treated decent. I apologize, I am a white male and clean cut. My car didn't smell like pot.

All I see in this post is people bashing the cops for doing their jobs or not busting all of the drug users in the first place.

bankboy119 8 years, 6 months ago

Marion, you're correct when you say that many merchants do not accept checks anymore but credit cards? Come on, some places don't take cash but unless you're a small vendor everybody takes credit cards.

Checks can be stopped....correct but when you go to Wal-Mart now they hand your check back to you. Why? They're processed electronically. Checks are going away or to electronic processing to cut down on fraud.

ACH transactions can be reversed...correct but a debit/credit card transaction is not the same as an ACH transaction. You cannot stop a debit/credit card transaction the same way you can an ACH. You also cannot reverse it without the permission of the merchant. In order to do so, the merchant has to initiate it or the bank has to receive consent directly from the merchant. Even if it is fraud.

monkeywrench1969 8 years, 6 months ago

acg

sounds like you have a personal problem with LPD and are making generalizations about all officers due to what your "Friend" told you about her ex. Did you see the ex "beat the kids"

...were you the object of the foot fetish (why is that a problem...if he was a stock broker or doctor making cash and you were married to the guy it might be wortht he time...if it is among consenting adults it should be cool...it is Lawrence)

The verbage you use seems a little hostile for someone who "hung around a lot of them"... did you go to the bars with them...go tot he movies ...maybe date one who dumped you hard... or are you one of the anarchist protestors making false claims becasue you got busted a couple times and have an ax to grind.

reginafliangie 8 years, 6 months ago

Thank you Monkeywrench! Gosh, talk about hostile. I was just making a statement, because everyone seems to bash the LKPD for this whole Wak thing and they were in not in anyway involved with the arrests, buying of drugs or whatever, so the character of the officer you are referring to should have no bearing on this topic.

Thanks for being such a great person, sorry my name offends you. I didn't know I was under attack.

acg 8 years, 6 months ago

In answer to your questions, no I have not dated a cop, I am married and have children and have been married for 5 years. No, I have no axe to grind with police, here or anywhere else in the country. Yes I have seen my friend's ex husband beat her children and have seen how other police officers protected HIM in the situation and not her or her kids. I never said I hung around a lot of them. You should not quote words that someone did not say/type. I said I have been around a lot of them. I also said I've dealt with them for several different reasons. You seem to be like reginaFILANGE in that you also don't know how to read and comprehend something before you respond to it. Also, being the type of person who prefers that the officers that her tax dollars pay to employ are not hateful, racist, small minded or abusive doesn't make me an anarchist. It makes me smart. I'm sorry if you're one of the sheeple that will believe anything a cop says just because he's a cop. Oh, and reginaFILANGE, you weren't under attack, per se. If you can't handle making stupid assumptions and misstatements and then having someone call you on it, then you obviously aren't thick skinned enough for the boards. Maybe you should go cry to someone who gives a rat's a**.

conservative 8 years, 6 months ago

ACG, I can certainly see how what you wrote to Regina sounds like an attack. May not be how you meant it, but it sure reads that way.

sanders 8 years, 6 months ago

I think what everyone is overlooking is that the LJ World only interviewed one occupant who said he had a 1/4 ounce of weed.

First off, he might not be telling the truth... everyone tries to minimize there own guilt.

Second of all, we don't know about other parties that may have been arrested along with the 1/4 ounce weed guy.... he was the only one interviewed.

And yes, if there is cash along with drugs etc. they can make the assumption that the drug possession is for dealing/distribution... and before anyone argues that it was only 1/4 ounce of weed, I will again say that we do not know about the other parties involved.

reginafliangie 8 years, 6 months ago

acg

I was not offended. I just said I didn't realize I was under attack since your message was very heated. I know what I read. You made a judgement against LKPD for something that happened and tried to tie it to the Wak Fest when it had nothing to do with the officer you felt the need to bash. I was trying to find the connection and there wasn't one, which in turn made me question why it was brought up. You need to take a walk and get some fresh air and lighten up. Wayyyyyy to uptight.

jackie 8 years, 6 months ago

Any amount of drugs and any amount of cash together equal a drug distributor? Quite a leap.

CanadianPassport 8 years, 6 months ago

Damn ... acg, you could just say you made a mistake in assuming LPD was involved in the Wakarusa busts. I admit that what I thought was a dubloon acceptor actually turns out to be a USB port. Lesson learned, it's over now. You don't have to get all up in somebody's virtual grill because you got called out on a factoid.

reginafliangie 8 years, 6 months ago

Thank you Canadian, I appreciate the support

acg 8 years, 6 months ago

Wow, you really do have reading/comprehension skill problems, don't you. You should try that hooked on phonics/hooked on reading program. I said, and I'll reiterate for you, slowly and with small words if that helps, that I didn't necessarily buy that the guy tried to sell drugs to an undercover officer because it has been my experience that not all of the officers around here are completely honest, then I gave some examples. I did not bash that officer. I said nothing derogatory towards that officer, at all. I said I didn't necessarily buy it. Is that hard to understand for you? I also said, in posts that followed that I think that just because a cop says it's so, doesn't make it so. I never tried to tie anything to Wak Fest, or any fest, for that matter. I simply stated that I don't necessarily believe the cop's story, plain and simple. It was plain and simple, right? I mean I'm typing English, what's the problem?

sanders 8 years, 6 months ago

As far as the subject arrested... which is the purpose of this board... I think it is also fair to recognize that cops only need probable cause to make an arrest, and it falls upon the court to prove the case/prosecute it.

CanadianPassport 8 years, 6 months ago

You ... called ... out ... the ... LPD ... as ... not ... worthy ... of ... trust ... when ... they ... weren't ... even ... involved. Okay, all together, let's count the references to "LPD" or "police" in the post from acg copied below:

"I don't necessarily buy that whole "they tried to sell drugs to undercover police" line, personally. I've dealt with several police officers from the Lawrence area for different reasons and I am not impressed. And my best friend was married to a LPD officer for many years (before she couldn't take him beating her kids anymore and left him) and I have been around a lot of them."

sanders 8 years, 6 months ago

And I will agree with swampmusic ---

Marion continually posts things that are completely without any substance to back up his statements.

It's easy to make generalized statements such as "the police will always..." but he NEVER gives an example or is able to cite any laws or cases to support his statements.

I realize you are anti-big-brother, but don't be reckless about the accusations you make.

dubmantx 8 years, 6 months ago

You kansas conservatives are worse than what we have here in texas. Rest assured i will try to never go back to your poor ass state that has to charge a toll on the interstate and subjects people to illegal searches and whatnot just based on looks. Pulling everyone over just to dig arround in their cars is a violation of civil rights I dont care how you look at it. And towing peoples vehicles from the festival is illegal too. You must commit a moving violation then the cop must prove probable cause to search. They cant just run dogs arround all over the place and dig through peoples property while theyre not at camp thats just wrong. Sorry but i think this is the last waka and if not well im not coming back. Come to ACL (austin city limits) if you want to get treated like an american with rights! Oh and about the 10000 dollars... Where was the xtc and the acid that the cops were looking for in the RV??? oh right there wasnt any! And wasnt that what they claimed to be searching for? Not for a little bit of pot and a pipe. Im sure there are a lot of cops with heavily lined pockets after this event. I saw them literally stealing stuff from peoples camps while they werent there. What a shame that there are people on here that actually support this illegal behavior by those supposedly there to uphold the law. I think that every cop at wakarusa should submit to a drug test after this event is over. Im sure that more than a few took some stuff for their own personal enjoyment if not for resale.

sanders 8 years, 6 months ago

ACG -

It's sounds like your friend should have been a responsible parent and removed his/her kids from the situation and not let them get beat for years.

And if he/she felt like other cops would protect one of there own, there are other agencies such as SRS that could have become involved.

jackie 8 years, 6 months ago

The article also leaves out issues such as whether or not a person in the RV gave the police permission to search, what type of warrant (if any) the cops had and, of course, what really led to his arrest. Further, his claim of his buddies and himself filing a class action suit does not help his credibility when it comes to legal issues.

Sigmund 8 years, 6 months ago

OK LJW Online posters, its time to let you all in a little secret (if by secret you mean something printed in the KC Star a 3 weeks ago): KHP Drug checkpoints are phony ....

http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/news/local/14643905.htm

sanders 8 years, 6 months ago

DUBMANTX -

Sorry you were unhappy with Douglas County... if you come back next year I'll suggest that we try to import more people wearing cowboy hats, boots and those who don't speakEnglish so you feel like you're at home in the ACL. In fact, maybe we can have all of them sitting in the back of a Chevy truck that has a confederate flag bumper sticker.

This is Lawrence America. Get over it. Don't complain because people got arrested for doing illegal things. Just because you disagree with a law does not make any less important. And again, there were state/ federal agents at Wakarusa, the same that are in the GW's great state of Texas.

acg 8 years, 6 months ago

Wow, canadianpassport can't read, either. Need me to slow it down, eh? You know we have ways of making you properly pronounce the letter O. You want to repost what I said, good, I will to because apparently I'm dealing with morons, here.

"I don't necessarily buy that whole "they tried to sell drugs to undercover police" line, personally. I've dealt with several police officers from the Lawrence area for different reasons and I am not impressed."

Several police officers from the Lawrence area. Several police officers FROM THE LAWRENCE AREA!!!!!!!! Let me reiterate, I did not say that all of the cops I've dealt with that I find to be dishonest are necessarily LPD. Maybe you guys are just pissed because I'm telling the truth, and some of you maybe can't handle the fact that those you rely on to protect and serve may be just as crooked as the criminals they're chasing. So, you decide to try and focus on one thing I said, trying like hell to beat it into the ground over and over again and say that I said something that I didn't. Or maybe you can't handle the fact that I called regina out for being an idiot. Too bad, but she is. Either way, I'm done explaining it. It's like talking to a group of chimps. You're not going to rile me anymore because what I typed was plain English. You can either read it, comprehend it properly or jam it in your poop shoot for all I care.

Meatwad 8 years, 6 months ago

I heard from some people that there is video tape of the state police throwing dog toys under cars of people who LOOKED like hippies to make the dogs react so they could do a search. I really feel that the state police went too far with all of this. I read that violent crime is increasing yet they probably spent millions for the amount of police at the festival busting peaceful harmless hippies for small amounts of pot. Someone said coming to a music festival to bust hippies for smoking pot is akin to shooting fish in a barrel. One woman who had to be around 60 or 70 years old, who's been going to summer festivals since she was seeing the Grateful Dead, told me, in tears, that she felt like she was going to have a heart attack. The police were scaring and terrorizing her that much. Very sad. I nearly cried from some of the stories I heard out there.

CanadianPassport 8 years, 6 months ago

Lol :) Right, you're statements are very clear, not clouded at all by your uncontrollable raging emotions -- pms ... I mean acg.

So, to clarify, how many POLICE departments were involved in the Wakarusa sting? What was that? None?? So, why are POLICE even relevant to this discussion? Notice you didn't say "law enforcement", you said "POLICE." And if you were talking about the Eurdora police, I really don't understand why they would come into play. Do you want to bring up any other irrelevant government organizations? Do you know anyone in the Coast Guard, for instance? Have they wronged your peer group? How about the NSA? Oh right, they weren't at Wakarusa either, so let's drag them into this. I like rainbows, so I'm going to talk about rainbows now, no matter what this discussion thread is about ... I'm just going to talk about whatever irrelevant topic that interests me ... lalala-lalala

monkeywrench1969 8 years, 6 months ago

ACG

you may want to be more responsible in your communication becasue sweeping generalizations cause the problems you are having with those you "say can;t read your posts" becasue they are "morons". Is there a need for anger management you just seem to sling poo (Since you brought up the resource for scat) and name call rather than speak fact.

Could your "friend" had a problem with this type of communication with her "Cop, child beating husband"

I believe it is possible the LPD could have been at the the festival working with Deputies because they have several agencies in the Douglas County drug unit.

Now if that is the case then I would think the LPD officers were actually fairly smart to go after drug buys in a target rich environment.

By the way the Attorney General's Office invesitgates claims of misconduct that you describe...when I lived in western Kansas the AG office did a huge investigation in the area I was from and fixed the problem. If this guy is a cop still you had be responsible and report him either to SRS, THe PD SHerrif's office or AG.

acg 8 years, 6 months ago

Uncontrollable raging emotions? PMS? So, then you're a typical pig man who believe that any woman who shows an emotion beyond smiling complacency is on her period? And as for saying police vs. law enforement, I'm not lame enough to split hairs like that. Its not a trait that interests me.

CanadianPassport 8 years, 6 months ago

"And my best friend was married to a >>>LPD officer<<< for many years (before she couldn't take him beating her kids anymore and left him) and I have been around a lot of >>>them<<<."

Laura 8 years, 6 months ago

What's with these Lawrence cops? I've had more than one Lawrence police officer (off-duty, mind you) suggest we become "intimate" without the benefit of getting to know one another. Not that there's anything wrong with that, but both cops had similarly creepy, unemotional come-ons. They need a manual on how to get laid.

CanadianPassport 8 years, 6 months ago

As serious as a 6'7" Vietnamese keytar player can be ...

Laura 8 years, 6 months ago

Oh, no . . . there's no uncertainty. They were both officers on the Lawrence Police Department and told me so first thing. I think they have groupies who have a thing for cops and therefore thought I'd drop my panties pronto.

chilidogerror 8 years, 6 months ago

So, just who is this Marion chick who is so huffy & know-it-all?

Laura 8 years, 6 months ago

Hey, pal...no one's going to be ripping my ass to shreds, thank you very much.

CanadianPassport 8 years, 6 months ago

I'd like to apologize to whatever LJW staffer is responsible for reading this board and removing inappropriate comments. That must be incredibly boring.

acg 8 years, 6 months ago

I was thinking the same thing laura. And ruskadork, no he didn't burn me, because he took one particular sentence out of my post and reposted it out of context. It's sad, really, that he is an idiot. I don't champion idiots or as Bob so eloquently put it, numnuts. I haven't heard numnuts in a while TOB, you should bring that back. :) BTW, snap? What is this, 2001?

CanadianPassport 8 years, 6 months ago

If you get served, and then you serve someone back, then it's on. Don't you know anything?

sanders 8 years, 6 months ago

I think it's funny that ACG continually gets defensive about posts after she said she did not care what other "idiots" had to say. Let it go.

CanadianPassport 8 years, 6 months ago

Law enforcement doesn't get involved until after "it's on." And in that case it's a county sheriff officer who judges the dance-off. Excellent question prospector.

Laura 8 years, 6 months ago

"Laura, if you change your mind, the offer's on the table."

What are you, a Lawrence police officer? You also apparently need a manual on how to get laid.

bankboy119 8 years, 6 months ago

First, I thought Marion was a guy?

Second, isn't acg pregnant? If not I'll have to agree with whoever said she was pmsing...and not because you don't just sit and smile complacently. You're awful.

bankboy119 8 years, 6 months ago

Laura, I wouldn't take anything too seriously from someone who wants to be paid in gold dubloons...just my two cents.

CP, speaking of dance-offs, can you believe Ben Stiller didn't win the dance-off in Starsky and Hutch? That was just crazy. The crowd was completely cheering with him.

Also, how did Owen Wilson remove his underwear in the dance-off in Zoolander? Wish I knew how to do that...

acg 8 years, 6 months ago

ROFLMAO. Laura that was awesome!

Oh and ruskadork, sweetie, your "you got served, it's on, snaps" line of obviously flaming gay guy retorts is so Bring it On. And if you haven't heard, that's all very yesterday. Retro is cool and all, but only if you're cool enough to pull it off, and my dear, neither you, nor your maple leaf loving cohort are anywhere near cool enough.

CanadianPassport 8 years, 6 months ago

BB119, I'm totally with you. Stiller should win EVERY dance-off based on his facial expressions alone.

But, if you can't turn left, you don't deserve to win a walk-off. I can't really fault Bowie for calling that one in Wilson's favor.

Laura 8 years, 6 months ago

Oh, yeah, sure...you can borrow my manual. Gee, let me send you my cell number and a picture. I can't think of a thing more enticing than a man who wants to rip my ass to shreds.

sanders 8 years, 6 months ago

I think the LJ World made its first love connection!

reginafliangie 8 years, 6 months ago

Wow, got heated since I left for a bit. I for one am glad to know that acg knows me inside and out. Tell me about the personalities of all the other writers here. Listen, I just made and FYI comment about your post and you went all freaky on me. Did you take that long walk like I suggested? There is no need for name calling or all that other useless crap you rambled on about. I was just making a clarification and you lost it. Sorry.

bankboy119 8 years, 6 months ago

ruska, agreed. Gotta love the slow days.

Laura 8 years, 6 months ago

Oh, goody...even better. I hope your arms are hung like an orangutan on steroids.

pablo94 8 years, 6 months ago

I can't even believe what I am reading. I am a retired festival goer and I ask one simple question.

What were the police doing inside the festival grounds anyway????? That is the travesty of it all. Meggers is right. It is a camping festival for arts, music, and experiences of the mind.

I write to you from the land that invented this type of festival. And this is how it should go. The police should take care of traffic around the festival, get paid there fee, the local business' should get a boost on over priced ice and such things, the vendors should not have money seized as "drug money" and everything will be fine.

In the High Sierras the small tourist local towns can't wait for the yearly festivals. They make a ton of money, the fairground makes money, the hippies get high and the police never, ever come inside festival grounds. These are simple festival rules so if Mosiman can't keep the cops out and keep concert goers from being searched as they come in then say bye, bye to your wonderful weekend of music because once the word is out in festival culture the Waka fest will be no more. Just check the next few issues of RELIX or surf the other festival sites. The word will get out and Larryville will miss out on some great live music over the next few years.

It makes me glad I left Kansas and my hometown when I read the same stuff that happened back in the OMEGA days is still happening today.

Sad, very sad. It will read something like you could go to Wakarusa next year, but you better really love music cause you may get arrested, die from the humidity, get eaten alive by chiggers, and leave with no summer tour money you saved all year for cause oh by the way your tour money is considered drug money in Kansas.

What a joke. I am glad California is my home nowdays because I sure won't tell any of my old festival buddies I was born in the land of Wakarusa.

smallone 8 years, 6 months ago

Having $10,000 dollars for traveling does seem like a lot but can be completely explainable. if they traveled to wakarusa they may be going to bonnaroo and what every other festivals and that will rack up with gas, tickets, food, beer, ice and what every other supplies.

Between myboyfriend and I we spent close to $450 maybe even more for everything for wakarusa and we are from lawrence so no gas or traveling money. secondly a quarter ounce is not that much, especially to be dealing.

Everything is probably explainable but i doubt they listened or believed them. They should check out their story and then give the money back.

sanders 8 years, 6 months ago

PABLO94 ---

Be informed, the music festival is on a COUNTY OWNED PARK. The police are not forcing themself onto private property to harass the pot heads...

Laura 8 years, 6 months ago

Oh, for god's sake, Pablo, grow up. This isn't a Kansas issue, it's a national issue. I've spent enough time in California to know it's not the relaxed "anything goes" sort of place you're thinking it is. I agree that the police presence was ridiculous, but people have to own up to their actions. No one, and I mean NO ONE, is going to convince me that anyone carries ten grand in an RV for walking around money. I'm not saying the search & seizure was valid, I'm saying no one carries that kind of cash in an RV in a crummy campground in northeast Kansas, for crying out loud.

reginafliangie 8 years, 6 months ago

Drugs are illegal. Has nothing to do with your morals or people being bigoted. It is illegal. Whether we agree or not. I don't understand why people are amazed that they are arrested. 1 joint or bags of weed or drugs is illegal, plan and simple. Thats like me getting stopped while drinking and driving. "Well officer, I'm only .001 over the legal limit, you don't arrest for that right? I have to be at least .002 over for that, cause it is so close to almost being legal." What kind of logic is that? I'm sure anywhere else you go it is the same story, drugs are illegal and the law enforcement is only doing its job. If they didn't people would be bitching about that. Can't have it both ways.

sanders 8 years, 6 months ago

Free advertising for the River City...

monkeywrench1969 8 years, 6 months ago

I woluld say the cops who were hittn g on Laura were most likely cruising the bars instead of actually working the fest. Although it would be target rich for weed and "easy going...free loving girls."

sanders 8 years, 6 months ago

Yeah free loving girls who haven't showered for a month... yummy.

monkeywrench1969 8 years, 6 months ago

From what Laura said they were pretty hard up and did not have "game"

pablo94 8 years, 6 months ago

Be informed, the music festival is on a COUNTY OWNED PARK. The police are not forcing themself onto private property to harass the pot heads...

I am informed. The festivals in Cali are held routinely on county owned land, sometimes state park land, ie High Sierra and Strawberry as examples.

The cops still stay out.

For Laura, there were 5 people in the RV right??? I used to take at least 2500.00 in cash for a total of 2 or 3 festivals depending on where I was going at the time.

And by the way, I don't want to grow up!!!!!!

Confrontation 8 years, 6 months ago

dubmantx: So, you think Kansas is pathetic? Then why are you posting on a Lawrence, Kansas, website, even though you live in Texas? Now, that's pathetic!

pablo94 8 years, 6 months ago

I've spent enough time in California to know it's not the relaxed "anything goes" sort of place you're thinking it is.

Thats funny, but it is more "anything goes" than where you are at.

Get busted with a 1/4 oz of weed in Cali. Here is what happens---They give you a ticket and send you on your way. they don't even take your weed away unless it is the highway patrol.

It is accepted in our state as a simple infraction.

No jail time, no court appearance, no community service, no nothing.

In Berkeley they see as a lower offense than Jaywalking. In San Francisco they don't even waste their time with a ticket, Santa Cruz the same way.

sanders 8 years, 6 months ago

PABLO94 ---

This is obviously your first day posting on this site so again, we can excuse your ignorance of Lawrence.

The city of Lawrence also has a city (ticketable) offense for marijuana that would not require an arrest. Again... the music festival was not held within the city limits... thanks and if I may add, this is not California, nobody cares what "Cali" does.

pablo94 8 years, 6 months ago

Listen Sanders I was born and raised in lawrence, graduated from KU, the whole nine yards. So I have a vested interest in what goes on back home. 28 years I lived in Larryville.

I am saying there are unsaid rules about festivals like anything and the Kansas law enforcement agencies should get in the know and weigh community benefit over harrassment of the youth.

Funny then why was that boy put in lock up over the weekend??? Why was his money taken??? If I had attended carrying 1K would my money have been taken?? According to what I am reading the answer is yes. And when I got busted smoking a joint outside the jazzhouse back in the day, mind you one joint, guess what I was hauled off to the county country club just like that Boston fool.

I just want Lawrence to keep its youthful spirit and welcome folks from all over to come and enjoy Clinton Lake and say, "Wow, I had a really good time in Kansas."

Believe me I have defended and continue to defend Larryville in my 10 years living in the west, so I appreciate and love Lawrence dearly.

sanders 8 years, 6 months ago

Well.. he was arrested because the city ordinance allows for a ticket, but the park, again is outside of the city limits so they did not have any option of giving a ticket.

As far as the jazzhouse goes, that would have been before the option to issue a ticket was available.

sanders 8 years, 6 months ago

And maybe the law abiding citizens of the U.S. (in general) don't want things "overlooked" at festivals. I don't care what is acceptable among the music going pot heads, I don't want that crap in the town where I live.

Confrontation 8 years, 6 months ago

HEY EVERYONE: Pablo "appreciate(s) and love(s) Lawrence" so much and she/he has "defended and continue to defend Larryville in" her 10 years in the west. Therefore, she/he had to express "What a joke. I am glad California is my home nowdays because I sure won't tell any of my old festival buddies I was born in the land of Wakarusa."

hypocrite - a person who professes beliefs and opinions that he does not hold

pablo94 8 years, 6 months ago

It wasn't in your town right?? Outside city limits, your words!!!

BTW, I used to post here all the time back when they had the reader board with all the topics.

In the end, there weren't that many arrests. I just don't think a kid should be busted having a few puffs around his campsite or out of site in his RV. And like one poster said if they had sold ecstasy they would have been arrested on the spot. So why the search and seizure?? How many cops you think are walking around with cash seized and not turned in. A few I would guess.

It just seems that they were far reaching especially taking festival goers money. Some folks lost 8-900.00. That is chump change when you are on the road.

sanders 8 years, 6 months ago

They all came through Lawrence... the only reason I mentioned that it was outside city limits was to explain why it was not possible to issue a ticket, no other reason.

pablo94 8 years, 6 months ago

HEY EVERYONE: Pablo "appreciate(s) and love(s) Lawrence" so much and she/he has "defended and continue to defend Larryville in" her 10 years in the west. Therefore, she/he had to express "What a joke. I am glad California is my home nowdays because I sure won't tell any of my old festival buddies I was born in the land of Wakarusa."

Yeah, that was prior to this recent comedy of errors that I defended all things Lawrence such as-----having it handed to me the last two season of KU hoops by all the westies, great stories of grand shows at the Bottleneck, of a time when Sin City and the Homestead Greys brought us around in the night life, of how fond I am of downtown, Freestate, and the Red Lyon. Of how awful all those stupid round abouts are in town, about the beautly of the campus, about the great debate and smoking ban drama and ...

So don't call me a hypocrite unless you know me. I am a man by the way and my family has been a part of Lawrence since it was founded. Brother, Dad, Friends, Uncles, Aunts, Grandparents,Greats, Great Greats all still in Lawrence. So lets just straighten that up right now.

I'll be sittin' at the Freestate in late July for my 20 year reunion so come on by and I will buy all you a beer.

Thanks,

P

pablo94 8 years, 6 months ago

BTW, I will be carrying a grand in spending money. Will it get taken as drug money??? Got to pay for those beers someway!!!!!!

conservative 8 years, 6 months ago

Gee Pablo, I'm so sorry that the law enforcement community doesn't feel bound by your "unwritten" rules for festivals. Bottom line. Drugs are illegal whether you like it or not. If you choose to use, expect to pay the price eventually.

pablo94 8 years, 6 months ago

Not in my state. Just need a prescription!!

jonas 8 years, 6 months ago

Pablo: Hate to tell you, but bringing up pot to prove your state is an anything goes laid back place is only one side of the coin. You want to see the other side, try smoking a cigarette somewhere.

reginaflange: While acg may be somewhat over-reacting, perhaps you simply have the snarky personality that just brings that sort of response out in people.

Canadian passport should be banned for saying both "got served" and "it's on" in the same thread. Just my opinino.

hmmm. . . typo, but I kind of like it!

opinino!

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paladin 8 years, 6 months ago

Drugs are just drugs. Money is just money. No inherent value. Only that which you ascribe. But, people are more than just people. Y'all lay off Marion. He's OK, as far as I'm concerned. He sees beyond the surface of things. He has glimpsed the truth that lies at the center of Life and the universe. He has a built in crap detector that can ferret out fraud and phonies. He is a bit insufferable, but aren't we all? But, most importantly, he has a living spark of humanity and divine light, that most only aspire to.

jonas 8 years, 6 months ago

I've met Marion, and I can say that in person, surprisingly, he's rather loud and abrasive.

monkeyhawk 8 years, 6 months ago

I just finished watching a very timely piece entitled "Drug Years" on VH1. As a product of the time, I found it to be spot on. Though I only saw the last portion of it, I think that the younger attendees of the Wak last weekend might get something from it.

At the very end, I thought it was very appropriate when a lit doobie fell on to a map in the center of the state of Kansas.

meggers 8 years, 6 months ago

Clinton is not a county park. It is a state park maintained by the Army Corp of Engineers.

Since Mossiman obviously had a contract (hence, no parade), I wonder what the stipulations are for leasing public land for a private festival- is it the existing rules AND THEN SOME, or new rules, according to the event. Just curious.

I'm also curious about whether the SC has ever ruled on searches at camp sites. I know they've ruled that there isn't the same expectation of privacy in a car as in a home, so I wonder if the same rule applies to campsites- especially those on public land. The night vision goggles are definitely creepy.

If the issue is truly about public vs. private land, I hope Mossiman finds a farmer who is interested in making some serious cash next year, especially in Franklin or Jefferson County. After all, those counties could use the revenue and hopefully, they wouldn't dip their hands too far into the cookie jar by aggressively searching and arresting people for minor infractions. If the issue is a Douglas County one, the same solution applies. I hope Mossiman is looking at his options, because word on the festival circuit travels pretty fast.

Bonnaroo (Manchester, Tenn.) is on a huge farm in the middle of nowhere and the organizers hire mounted police to work the festival. In my experience, they've all been very friendly and they appear to view their role as that of helping people, rather than busting them. In contrast, I didn't see a single smile from the Douglas County sheriffs officers, despite their overwhelming and intrusive presence at Wakarusa(driving right THROUGH campsites, shining flashlights inside of tents, searching stuff without the owners present, etc. ). They certainly didn't put on a friendly face for the community and make themselves approachable to festival-goers who might have needed help.

I hope Kansas hasn't lost an otherwise wonderful festival to the strong-armed tactics of our local Sheriff's dept, Highway Patrol, KBI, etc. I'm sure there are poorer counties in the state that would appreciate the boost to THEIR local economy, even if Douglas County doesn't.

swampmusic 8 years, 6 months ago

Marion also invented the internet, and the question mark, and fire and blah,blah, blah....

vinyl_chloride 8 years, 6 months ago

sure, $10,000 bucks in a van full of stinkin hippies isn't drug money! then I got beachfront property on 6th Street!

what a bunch of goofs!

Coparusa 8 years, 6 months ago

I drove a big van to WAK. My gas bill was $600 round trip. I wonder what it would cost to drive an RV? Plus food, drink, souvenirs? Now, times that 3x for 3 more shows in the Mid-West, what kind of $ would that take, about 10K? Yep, that sounds about right.
I have no credit, period. No credit card either. And don't even get me started on what I think of banks. Cash works everywhere.

Lets call a spade a spade. This is a witch hunt (or hippie hunt, if you will). These people will not listen to logic. MUCH LOVE to Pablo94 & Marion! But I think we are wasting our time trying to explain a lifestyle they are not willing to accept. This is a VERY narrow-minded & hateful group. It doesn't matter to these people that some day the police will come for them, it isn't happening now. But it is ok, we will turn the other cheek and still stand up for them another day ...unless we're all in jail.

what really get me is Wakarusa organizers are still willing to bring festival goers into the line of fire next year. They talk only of positive things from the police call THIS a success? They don't care about us at all! WAKARUSA IS DEAD!!!

ben_ness 8 years, 6 months ago

pablo and sick of rightwingers: It seems there is a growing group of bloggers on this stream, born and raised in the Lawrence area, who left for one reason or another. I am one of those people as well. I am a fifth generation Lawrencian. I went to LHS, and then KU. When I was finished with school I high-tailed it out of Larryville as quickly as possible. I feel, through my tenure, I have the right to say Lawrence is a town of smoke and mirrors in the North Eastern corner of a state that has managed to make ITSELF the laughing stock of the rest of the country. I couldn't agree more with Pablo, I too am hesitant to tell anybody where I am from originally.

dubmantx 8 years, 6 months ago

ANTI WAKARUSA ANTI KANSAS ANTI CORRUPT KANSAS COPS! ILL NEVER GO TO KANSAS AGAIN! IF YOU THINK THAT SOMEONE SMOKING A JOINT AT A CONCERT IS A CRIME YOU NEED TO TAKE ANOTHER LOOK ARROUND AT THE WORLD WE LIVE IN!

dubmantx 8 years, 6 months ago

Oh for all you kansasians that dont know what a real crime is ill give you a very familiar example... Ever heard of the BTK killer? The guy that ran arround slaughtering people in your state for 25 years that your heros, the law dogs of kansas just let run arround strangling people while they were wasting their resources on harmless crimes like drugs and glass container violations. Oh that guy wanted to get caught yes he did and the police in yoru state still couldnt get him. What a joke!!!!!

Oh and we may have a bunch of mexicans and rednecks in texas but at least we dont rely on the police to solve our problems. I dont need the cops to protect my property thats what the ol mossberg 12ga is for.

Kelly Powell 8 years, 6 months ago

While I do agree with you.....how many serial killers did texas crap out? If you guys really want to see some real fun loving cops, go to bonner springs/edwardsville.....Believe me, lawrence cops are fuzzy bunnies compared to those dudes.

Meatwad 8 years, 6 months ago

someone said the cops 'stay out' of other festivals. I think the police (mounties, sherrifs, state troopers, guys in blue shirts, whatever they are)(they had blue shirts and rode on vehicles) are good for the festival. What needs to stay out are the BAD ones. The ones that go beyond harrassment and actually TERRORIZE the festivalgoers. There were some GOOD ones there. Some that acted in a professional way and spoke intelligently to the festival goers. That is what needs to change. The paper today said they weren't aiming at the casual marijuana user, but at dealers. Well, that's not what I saw and heard out there at all. For the most part they were profiling the terrorizing anyone that looked like a hippie. That's not okay. I'm all for them eliminating the drug dealer element. But to ransack and tear apart cars, often finding nothing, not even to apoligize, just because the kids look like hippies. To ransack tents, screaming at the occupants, bullying, verbally abusing and frightening them to death. Not ok. To preach to them like angry, abusive parents. Not ok. Like I said, they weren't ALL like this but far too many were. That is often a case of orders coming from the top. This problem needs to be solved from the top. The top sherriff/ mounty /whatever, needs to better control his people. Sherriff/police/mounty/security/etc. need to be there to protect people, not to terrify them.

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