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Voting ironies

July 25, 2006

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To the editor:

Taylor Hicks, winner of the "American Idol" contest, has been invited to the White House. I love the irony. The man chosen by popular vote gets to meet the man chosen in spite of the popular vote.

Never underestimate the power of a woman - that is, if she's a Florida election official!

Don Mueller,

Baldwin

Comments

BrianR 9 years, 1 month ago

When there are voting irregularities, the numbers are meaningless. What are Hezbollah's numbers? They 'won' a 'popular vote.'

erichaar 9 years, 1 month ago

"When there are voting irregularities, the numbers are meaningless."

If you truly believe that then you'll agree we need a national mandate that valid photo identification be presented at the ballot box.

devobrun 9 years, 1 month ago

BrianR

Were you thinking of Hamas in Gaza?

Hezbollah in Lebanon does have seats in parliament, but they don't have a majority in the Lebanese gubment.

They have most of their clout in the country because of intimidation.

rightthinker:

Liberalism is an emotion. They feel therefore they are.
They "think" that 150 year-old philosophies like Darwin and Marx are progressive.

The reason that the dems loose to slugs like the Bush family is that the dems have no alternative. Deep down they know it, and it really hurts them. Indeed, hurt is the operative word for the libs today.

Every conversation that I've had with dems/libs quickly moves from substance to how much they hate the repubs and especially GWB. Here you have a political party based on new thinking and they are bereft of ideas.

Don: GWB jokes, sarcasm, spoofs, etc. are old news, man. Your humor based on your continued bitterness is kinda sad. Anyway, I think Gore is funnier.

Speakout 9 years, 1 month ago

I am not making a political statement here, but when substance is mentioned, most Repubs I know walk away and shake their heads. They are ashamed of him, too, except the non-thinkers.

Jamesaust 9 years, 1 month ago

Huh? I'm not sure why the author is so embarrassed by the Democrat's inability to put forward a serious candidate to take on a weak incumbant but throwing dust up in the air in an attempt to cloud the peoples' vision isn't helpful.

Both parties have a problem with their candidate-selection process being engineered to produce candidates beholden to extremists elements. Either may well find themselves in 2008 trailing in 3rd place behind a ticket of popular figures eschewing either Party's mantle and appealing to the middle majority.

Curtiss 9 years, 1 month ago

Rightthinker asks: "Why is the popular vote brought up over and over again?"

Sometimes people need to be reminded that Bush lost the 2000 election. It was decided in Florida, where the Secretary of State was also the Bush campaign manager, and cheated and committed crimes. Even so, when the ballots were independently audited, Gore won the state by thousands of votes.

And sometimes people need to be reminded that the 2004 election was decided by Ohio, where the Secretary of State was also the Bush campaign manager, and cheated and committed crimes. Unlike Florida, though, the U.S. Government (via the GAO, the investigative arm of congress) certified the Ohio election as officially unknowable, saying there was so much fraud that we can never know the actual vote.

In both cases, since virtually all the fraud gave votes to Bush and he just barely "won" anyway, we all know who actually did win. The exit polls tell the story.

Just to remind those who've forgotten.

Incidentally, there's a funny ending to the Florida story. The lying witch that made sure Bush got certified the winner later decided to run for congress (or was it Senate?). The GOP really didn't want such a loser as their candidate, so they brought in Scarborough to be the Republican candidate. Harris threatened to lift up some rocks and remind people that his intern died from a blunt object head wound in his office, and that he brought in a known criminal medical examiner (already kicked out of Missouri) to certify the cause of death. That was the death knell of the Harris campaign. The GOP has thrown her off the train.

staff04 9 years, 1 month ago

Posted by devobrun:

"They "think" that 150 year-old philosophies like Darwin and Marx are progressive."

Ummmmm....and basing all your decision making on a 2000 year-old book of fantasy is somehow superior? I don't think so, bub...

staff04 9 years, 1 month ago

That was a much more tactful way of stating it, LS04.

as_I_live_and_breathe 9 years, 1 month ago

Logicsound, you are forgetting a very important fact... people lie, (don't you watch House?) Even people who just voted will lie. every body knows that Bush is considered a bozo and they would be made fun of if they admit to voting for him... but they also are smart enough to know that he is the lesser of two, or three bozos and any other choice would have been completely stupid and suicide for the country so.... they voted for Bush and lied to the polsters.... d'oh

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 9 years, 1 month ago

"Even people who just voted will lie."

This is the most ridiculous explanation floating around in wingnut circles. Exit polls are anonymous, so there is absolutely no reason to lie just to avoid embarrassment of voting for the Dumbo-in-Chief.

"every body knows that Bush is considered a bozo"

Well, the fact is, we're all bozos on this bus. Bush is just a little more bozoesque than others.

GardenMomma 9 years, 1 month ago

True, we don't elect Presidents by popular vote, but nor are their daddies supposed to buy them the election.

devobrun 9 years, 1 month ago

logicsound04 has been one busy puppy today.

suggest you have a cold drink (it's hot out there) and engage in your favorite pastime.

If this is it, get a life.

ASBESTOS 9 years, 1 month ago

For our FUTURe elections, there is going to be a HUGE amount of FRAUD in the way of illegal voters...YES the illegal aliens that ARE voting in our countries elections.

THIS is a big deal. We need to stop it. In no other country that votes, would a non citizen get to have a say in the voting let alone vote.

Leave the past where it is. If we loose control of our elections to out of country voting machines and non-citizens voting... we son't be bitch9ing to each other in the Right/Left way, we won't have any rights at all.

CONTROL the VOTE!

IF those of you have problems with the vote in Ohio in '04, and FLorida in '00...you need to look no further than illegals stuffing the bvallot.

We all need to stop the ILLEGAL ALIEN "VOTERS".

There are anywhere from 11-27 MILLION of them!

malachiwv 9 years, 1 month ago

You know, it really doesn't matter that Bush & his friends at Diebold rigged the elections.

It doesn't even matter that the man is an abomination, dumb as a rock and totally without any moral that doesn't have a price tag.

What matters is the 2,500 families who've had their kids come home in boxes because of Bush's dirty, personal, little war . . .

as_I_live_and_breathe 9 years, 1 month ago

Maybe I don't understand exit polling. I assumed that meant there were people standing outside the door asking people who exit what they did. that is not essentially annonomous at all. Your face is hanging out all over the place and yes.... if you voted for anyone other than Bush in 04..... stupid fits.

as_I_live_and_breathe 9 years, 1 month ago

Posted by malachiwv (anonymous) on July 25, 2006 at 7:25 p.m. (Suggest removal)

You know, it really doesn't matter that Bush & his friends at Diebold rigged the elections.

It doesn't even matter that the man is an abomination, dumb as a rock and totally without any moral that doesn't have a price tag.

What matters is the 2,500 families who've had their kids come home in boxes because of Bush's dirty, personal, little war . .


Still not as many boxes as we had to make because previous administrations refused to take any action to stop 9/11.

Probably not as many boxes as we've had to build in the same time period as we had to build for victims of gang bangers in this country.

And not nearly as many boxes as we would have to have built if we did nothing at all.....

xenophonschild 9 years, 1 month ago

After the froth and tempest subsides, Hillary will win in '08 and inaugurate an era wherein Republicans are, rightfully, ignored as the incompetent racist/elitists they truly are.

There will be no opportunities for Republican thieves to steal the election; Hillary will win in a landslide.

BrianR 9 years, 1 month ago

Devo, I was thinking about both Hamas in Gaza and Hezbollah in Lebanon. I think Hezbollah have (or won) 23 seats but I don't remember. Sorry, got busy and lost track of this thread.

Eric, "...then you'll agree we need a national mandate that valid photo identification be presented at the ballot box."

Not really. Only if it doesn't manage to disenfranchise someone, surely it would, for reasons I cannot explain at this hour of the day, not everyone has ID. I'm more worried about electronic voting than anything else. Anyhoo, I already have to present ID to vote, what country are you in? Is that what your boss is advocating?

EvaTrujillo 9 years, 1 month ago

Only 1/4 of the fine citizens of these United States voted for Mr. Bush. Both elections. This means the remaining 2/3 did not vote for Mr. Bush. The guy was never popular to begin with.

blessed3x 9 years, 1 month ago

I think a lot of you have just hit on a money saving idea. If we are to base elections on a random sampling of voters and their responses to questioning upon exiting polling stations, then surely we don't even need to vote. We'll just have Gallop interview 2 or 3 thousand voters earlier in the week and we'll use that result to declare a winner. Think of the money savings!

Statistically speaking, it really is no different. If I'm an exit pollster in Lawerence will I get a different vote outcome than if I am a pollster in Great Bend? Of course. Exit polling is simply a tool for the media to declare a winner long before they have any real data and thus be the "first" to break the story.

Christine Pennewell Davis 9 years, 1 month ago

people on here never fail to amaze me with all their talk so grown up are we not.

as_I_live_and_breathe 9 years, 1 month ago

Posted by EvaTrujillo (anonymous) on July 26, 2006 at 10:18 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Only 1/4 of the fine citizens of these United States voted for Mr. Bush. Both elections. This means the remaining 2/3 did not vote for Mr. Bush. The guy was never popular to begin with.

Umm I'm not a math wiz but if 1/4 of the fine citizens of these United States voted for Mr. Bush, wouldn't the remaining percentage be 3/4?

let me guess.... publick school????

EvaTrujillo 9 years, 1 month ago

Yeah should be 3/4. OOps.

Catholic school, all 12 grades!

In Kansas.

I do know how to spell public though.

as_I_live_and_breathe 9 years, 1 month ago

lol Eva, Snapper school for me too, only 6 years though, and the K was intentional....

Math really isn't that important to us Catholics any way as long as we can count as high as the number of kids we have.....

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