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Lebanon troubles

July 25, 2006

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To the editor:

Lebanon is an ancient land with a proud heritage, but it has been an official independent country for only 63 years, and its modern course has been chaotic at best. The Lebanese seem able to create devastating problems for themselves with no help from the outside. The trouble is, Lebanon's neighbors have a nasty habit of butting in.

Since the late 1960s, Israel has invaded Lebanon periodically on one pretext or another. Both Israel and Syria consider parts - or all - of Lebanon as theirs. Their continued interference has weakened the Lebanese government until Lebanon is practically a country in name only. The Israeli invasion of 1982 was directly responsible for the growing strength of the Hezbollah.

Lebanon has been a democracy since 1943 and deserves our support. Instead, we stand by and watch its destruction.

The Israelis claim they combed the airport, seaports, roads and bridges to keep the Hezbollah from taking the kidnapped Israeli soldiers out of the country. That is a ridiculous and transparent lie. Hezbollah guerrillas do not need planes, boats or cars to move two captives out of Lebanon. Heck, they could dress up as Bedouins and move all around the Near East.

Maybe we should ask the Israelis how bombing a Lebanese army base is going to help destroy the Hezbollah. Maybe they can explain why they think bombing Lebanese civilians will cause the Lebanese people to turn against the Hezbollah. The truth is, every civilian death creates more support for the Hezbollah and more pain for Lebanon.

Liz Maggard,

Lawrence

Comments

erichaar 8 years, 5 months ago

Israel has a right to defend herself.

And it's well known that the Lebanese hate the Hezbollah terrorists far more than they dislike the sovereign nation of Israel. Get the Hezbollah terrorists out of Lebanon and you'll subside or eliminate the strife you see there today.

Also, Hezbollah terrorists have a despicable record of using civilians as human shields. The murderous Hezbollah terrorists are to blame for the conflict we're seeing today.

Speakout 8 years, 5 months ago

Well that always seems to be the last argument when all else fails. Any statement about Israel in the negative sense is anti-semitic. How absurd. I often say something against white people but that doesn't make me anti-white.

Israel's force in this instance is too much. Why kill innocent civilians and make them hate Israel? Why not go after Hezbollah and only Hezbollah? I can tell you that the people of Lebanon wouldn't mind getting them out of their country. But to kill innocents is to increase the hate Arabs have for Israelis then the Israelis say, "Why do they hate us so much." duh

Jamesaust 8 years, 5 months ago

The further I read this letter, the more the mistruths began to pile up. One early example is sufficient to demonstrate this: "Both Israel and Syria consider parts - or all - of Lebanon as theirs."

Syria does have some undefined claims on Lebanon dating back to the collapse of the Ottoman Empire, which controlled both, as well as Israel, Jordan, Iraq, etc. The existing border between the two is as much a result of European "line drawing" as real differences between the two.

Israel does NOT consider any part - not one inch - to be "theirs." Israel went so far after their withdrawal from Lebanon as to have the UN certify its withdrawal and the exact placement of the border.

The "interference" of Israel in Lebanon is the consequence of continued capture of the state by other - usually foreign - elements, who attach themselves to the "host's" sovereignty to pursue their separate ends.

Lebanon suffers from several things, including weak political leadership - not that it helps that Syria has a history of (arranging for) killing strong Lebanese leaders that are unfriendly to Syrian interests.

As one political leader commented about a year ago on television (perhaps Charlie Rose show?) after giving some "diplo-speak" about the guerilla state-within-a-state, he said: 'Why should Lebanon worry about securing Israel's northern border for it?'

I trust he now has his answer.

Christine Pennewell Davis 8 years, 5 months ago

dang if that letter is not all one sided I think she forgot a little history but all are allowed to have a view and opinion.

Jamesaust 8 years, 5 months ago

(with apologies to Martin Peretz)

A young man was walking the streets of Lawrence. Suddenly he saw a Rottweiler attacking a young girl. He jumped on the dog, struggled with him, and strangled it. Both he and the girl escaped with minor scratches. Immediately, the excited author of this letter surrounded him and said: What is your name? Everyone in Lawrence will read about your bravery in tomorrow's newspaper under the headline: LOCAL HERO SAVES LITTLE GIRL FROM SAVAGE DOG. Oh, no, says the man, I'm not from here. I'm Israeli. Oh, says our author, knowingly. The next day the headline reads: ISRAELI KILLS LITTLE GIRL'S DOG

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 8 years, 5 months ago

"Oh, says our author, knowingly. The next day the headline reads: ISRAELI KILLS LITTLE GIRL'S DOG"

If you want to make that story closer to reality, the man would have killed the little girl, and the Rottweiler survived.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 8 years, 5 months ago

Well, the civilian death toll in Lebanon is approaching 500, and more Israelis have died than Hezbollah fighters. Israel will have the choice of extending its occupation of Arab lands, an occupation it has already proven it can't sustain, or withdrawing, and allowing a Hezbollah that is stronger than ever move back into S. Lebanon.

Christine Pennewell Davis 8 years, 5 months ago

no not acceptable hezbollah must go but someone needs to help get them out maybe not Israel but someone. Hezbollah is useing the people of lebanon as shields and cover this is the act of a coward.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 8 years, 5 months ago

What do you suggest, mommaX? Should we give Lebanon a $billion or so in military aid so they can be armed to the teeth just like Israel?

Christine Pennewell Davis 8 years, 5 months ago

I have no solution and I doubt a billion would even come close to helping but something must be done, I would not wish us to be involved to much bad history but their are other country that could help lebanon, and should help them they just do not wish to.

Christine Pennewell Davis 8 years, 5 months ago

I doubt anyone can come up with a solution to this crisis that all will accept.

Jamesaust 8 years, 5 months ago

"Should we give Lebanon a $billion or so in military aid so they can be armed to the teeth just like Israel?"

Perhaps. If I bordered a Syria, with greedy eyes on my country, and a long history of interference in my internal affairs including (per German U.N. investigators) assassinating the Lebanese President and others, in addition to active interference from agents of yet other foreign countries, being "armed to the teeth" might be helpful.

Personally, it would useful to have a foreign military from far away aid the Lebanese military in enforcing its sovereign rule. Perhaps FRANCE, which (a) has a quasi-colonial background with Lebanon, (b) isn't "doing squat to lift the load" of fighting terrorism outside of France's own borders, (c) carries a vastly overrated influence in international affairs for which it provides little to the globe, (d) is just anti-Semetic enough to warm to the idea of displacing Israeli military efforts, and (e) in theory at least is in full agreement with the U.S. on the need to rid Lebanon of foreign control. I suppose the Lebanese Army can ask nicely first, and then the French Foreign Legion can go in and clean up anyone who insists on resisting.

drewdun 8 years, 5 months ago

"To condemn Israel for this action is clearly anti-semitism. Libtardism is a curse upon this world. Lennin and Marx reinvented in the Libtard movement to dominate the world."

Wow.............wow. K-State grad, I presume.

xenophonschild 8 years, 5 months ago

Well. I guess that makes us anti-semitic, as well as anti-Muslim. Jews have no business in the Middle East; they stole the land they occupy, which is the basis of Arab hatred for Israel. Funny none of you seem able, or willing, to accept that reality. It's not really all that complex.

And Muslims are a disgrace. Their religion is an insult to human dignity. They are a stunted, pathetic people, deserving our pity for their credulity and illogical adherence to a creed so inimical to individual progress.

A pox on both their houses.

ASBESTOS 8 years, 5 months ago

The level of world affairs understanding is mindboggling LOW. Kofi Annan lovers Unite! He just showed how biased the UN is AGAINST Isreal.

Wake up. The folks that want you to cry for Hizbullah will be the same ones bitching loudest when a warhead gets parked on Dallas or NY or LA.

YOu need to understand your enemy. IN order to do that you first have to RECOGNIZE the enemy.

The Enemy is NOT GWB or Slick Willy or even Hilldabeeast, because all of these at their core do not want US citizens in harm's way. THey all want a "safe" US. It needs to be recognized that the border needs to be secured (one thing that I HATE about GWB's policy) and terrorsts MUSt be RECOGNIZED for what they are....enemies of you and me. They want to KILL you and me. THey don't want understanding, they don't want a UN vote. They want a world....without US.

You all need to think about that one.

ASBESTOS 8 years, 5 months ago

"The problem is people like the current administration and its mindless followers, such as you..."

According to what unqualified wisdom that is possessed by only YOU?? You can't get past your political bias. How the hell could you possibly fathom the depth of understanding in WOrld Affairs on such a superficial premiss??

YOU need to RECOGNIZE your enemy! You currently believe you don't have one. (Well YOU believe GWB is your enemy.) YOur hatred of a political figure that is soon to be done, is NOT forward thinking.

What pray tell, do you suggest? Trying to UNDERSTAND why they want to KILL YOU??? I myself would rather prevent your death at their hands.

IF you cannot recognize that one single fact....yu should hold your water and not comment on things you obviously do not understand. The depths will swallow one so superficial! You may believe yourself to be sophisticated in thought and intellectual, but those abilities are sidlined every time you run to the shelter of your slogan "I hate BUSH". YA we got that, pretty much all you say, with no change. But there is no reasoning either. Wake UP!! Your credibility suffers too.

ASBESTOS 8 years, 5 months ago

Well, WE are not fighting Hizbullah...the Isrealis are. TOld you you don't understand the basics of world affairs! Ya missed that one, observer.

"The same level of threat as Saddam?"

I thought you stated that Saddam was not a threat in other threads???

Who is the ignorant one here anyway? Can't keep your story straight can you? That is called "talking in circles".

"I know who the enemies of our country are, people like you."

Sad, very sad...and very revealing and reveling in self-hatred. Why do you guys with psychological problems post them out in the open?

Why would you think for one moment that your opinion would be worth anything or hold any measure of substance on which to guide a country with a statement like that? I should just trust your political judgement? Not with your attitude!

xenophonschild 8 years, 5 months ago

observer:

Good posts. Israel is the problem in the Middle East. They have no business there; we have no business supporting them. The local contingent of ignorant trogs parrot whatever Fox and Rush Limberger tell them, so they aren't worth an idle keystroke.

And, it wasn't JFK: it was FDR. Muslims are odious wretches also, so they and the Jews deserve each other.

ASBESTOS 8 years, 5 months ago

Yeah Xeno, Isreal is the problem al right! GEEZ, how can someone be so backwards and unaware of world affairs?

I think Laura had a great post on just how long the Jewish people have been there. I t was historicaly accurate, and you cannot accept it. WHY?

You have this political bias that permeates all of your thinking. Your "I hateBush" mental record skip, contaminates the reasoning process. Yes you DO know hate, rather well. Do you know anything else?

bjamnjm 8 years, 5 months ago

Anyone who studies history knows the ancestry of modern day Israelis (Israelites) began in modern day Iran. I find it interesting that Iran along with posters like xeno and bozo think Israel should be located somewhere besides where it is. Perhaps, it should be located in Iran. Israelis or Jews have lived in their present location as long as anyone else. The allies allowed Jews to create a modern state in that location after WWII in part to get them out of Europe which has a long history of anti-Semitism. The Jews never chased Palestinians out of the territory but rather the Palestinians left on their own accord b/c they believed the armies of the Arab countries around Israel would destroy it and they could then return (see 1948 Israeli-Arab War). Arab hosts haven't been so kind to the Palestinian refugees in their countries either. The occupied territories Israel possesses are due to Arab aggression (see 1967 Israeli-Arab War). After defeating the invading armies of Arab countries, Israel possessed strategic lands such as the Golan Heights so their less likely to be surprised again. Bottom line is neither Israelis nor Arabs are going anywhere and so everyone needs to stop the accusations and who was where first, who's meaner, etc., etc. They are all there now and need to figure out how to get along with each other. To suggest that the US is not at risk of another terrorist attack from Muslim Fundamentalists is naive.

Christine Pennewell Davis 8 years, 5 months ago

bjamnjm do I know you? your name is very close to someone I do know just makes me miss him even more.

bjamnjm 8 years, 5 months ago

Typo in last post...meant Iraq not Iran.

mom, I don't know if I know you. Can you give more information?

Christine Pennewell Davis 8 years, 5 months ago

easy to figure out you live here or someplace else? The person I know moved to a diffrent area a little while ago.

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