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Strong principles

July 6, 2006


To the editor:

President Bush's angry response to the New York Times article revealing this administration's monitoring of U.S. monetary transactions (Journal-World, June 27) misses the most important point. Bush's calling the report "disgraceful" creates a distraction from the underlying issue of legality and the limits of presidential power.

If the administration's goal were simply monitoring potential terrorist behavior, clear legality would strengthen security, not compromise it. Obeying the law rather than circumventing it is a basis of democracy. This and repeated secret "presidential signings," if not illegal, on occasion imply more interest in exercising power and control than on the threat of "terrorism."

Another strategy is, "if we kill the messenger, then perhaps the information will magically be negated." This behavior suppresses legitimate dissent, creating a more anxious public. We can ask, "how could one even question legality with such overwhelming danger?" What is not done is to protect the rights of all people, ourselves, our friends and even our enemies as is mandated in our laws and treaty obligations.

A less anxious and more informed public reassured with legality, judicial oversight, bipartisan representation and more transparent executive behavior is a potential source of strength. Disregarding the law (Journal-World, June 30) means having nothing separating us from our enemies except our might. Looking beyond the immediate emotions elicited by our president and not regressing further into a state of "might makes right" is a strength with which others can identify positively and thus reduce one motivation for terrorism.

Jim Hasselle,



Kelly Powell 11 years, 10 months ago

I do not remember there being a declaration of war.... congress voted to invade afghanistan and iraq.....those were "military actions". the war on drugs, the war on literacy, the war on poverty...........You get my point. We need some watchdog activity or we may end up with a goverment that is doing all the wrong things for the right reasons.

xenophonschild 11 years, 10 months ago

Orange-jump-suit boy:

Disclosing classified information (Valierie Plume) never seems to inhibit the Bush administration, as long as it suits their agenda.

The concept of "we have to break the law . . . to protect the law" is shaky.

Real leaders, competent leaders, can work inside the law to answer challenges they, and the country, face.

BTW, you trogos better start worrying about the fallout from the CIA (Italian) screwup, and that your boys might very well be prosecuted as war criminals once their day in the sun is over.

BrianR 11 years, 10 months ago

Don't kid yourself, The Times is being fed this information from inside The Regime. There is always a fall guy in any good plan.

Speakout 11 years, 10 months ago

Well Observer, I think they already think he is the worse.

Can you imagine being GW Bush? I mean, everything you do is wrong or mis read. He has done very few things correctly, like the Katrina aftermath, the invasion of Iraq, outing of CIA agent, spying on fellow citizens and so on. He rattles his saber at Iran when North Korea (a country we have already fought) is launching missles, telling us they want attention. Iran is making electricity, so they say and we have no evidence to the contrary. Where Rightthinker will he be vindicated?

Do you believe that history will prove that his inaction after Katrina was the right thing to do? Do you think that history will prove that his invasion and lying to the American public was the right thing to do? Do you think that provocating a war with Iran will be the right thing to do? Do you really believe all that? Think about it!

We are in a bad situation. We are fighting a losing battle. We are making it worse by the day. A person who has to use force to make a point has already lost!

Terrorists hate that we support Israel and control the lives of the Palestinans and the rest of the Arab world. That is what terrorism is all about. They want us to stop and we won't. So the war on terror is going to be a long long war and we are losing.

When a foreign governent or people make us (as people or leaders) break our own laws, they have won and our laws become meaningless. We are then the LOSERS.

We need leadership that can negotiate and work without threats or invasions. We need real statesmen and women who understand what will diffuse this situation. We need GOOD leadership, not the kind we have in the office now.

Jamesaust 11 years, 10 months ago

I believe the author is a tad careless.

While there are many quasi-secret programs instituted or carried out by the Administration that are either illegal or seemingly contrary to the law, the monitoring of financial flows as referenced in this letter is not one of them. The article in the NYT does not claim so. (Exactly what "law" is supposed to have been broken here?)

It is indeed because this particular program is legal that it seems the Administration has picked THIS point to complain so loudly about the press. It is difficult to make a general anti-media argument when the bone of contention amounts to the proverbial hand in the cookie jar. Here, that inconvenience does not exist as government does and has for long monitored financial transactions (generally for revenue and criminal purposes).

ASBESTOS 11 years, 10 months ago


Valrie Plame was in an administrative and managerial position for over 5 years AFTER she had a baby, when the the so called "outing" took place, at which time she was no longer an "operative" for more than 5 years. You can't be an "operative" in the CIA if you are pregnant. sorry.

BUT, giving you the benefit of doubt and a lot of it, IF the Valirie Pm=lame thing makes your blood boil, why are you not even more upset about clearly outing an ENTIRE PROGRAM THAT WAS LEGAL???!!!???

That is picking and choosing. Illegal is illegal. If "outing" of Ms. Plame was illegal, it would be active and prosecuted. I don't think the NY TImes should be held accountable for anything other than bad judgement, however, the yahoo that decided on their own to let this information out should be held for treason and other illegal issues.

We have far too many self-important civil servants that think their position shoulc be taken over the will of the people. Valire Plame for one.

ASBESTOS 11 years, 10 months ago


"The United States Department of Justice doesn't agree with you.

The Central Intelligence Agency doesn't agree with you."

Sure they do, otherwise there would be prosecutions of the leakers. The Special Counsel has not brought forward charges nor is he going to on the outing.


"The Plame thing is what, nearly two years old give or take.....why do the Bush haters immerse themselves in denial that this could be grounds for impeachment still?"

What I don't understand is IF the Plame thing is worth Impeachment and important, where is the outrage on the LEFT for this outing of an "ENTIRE LEGAL PROGRAM"? I would think that if security is your number one concern, outing of an "operative" is down several rungs of the ladder, and outing of an entire program would be on the top!

Let's see your spin on that one HGA

ASBESTOS 11 years, 10 months ago

Oh and by the way HGA, could you just discuss without the stupid and childish:


What intelligence you show us with that! What a grasp on the topics you illustrate with that snappy comback!

It is like a kid say "is so!" over and over again.

So please save some bandwidth and to help us stop scrolling all the time on stupid and usless:



KSChick1 11 years, 10 months ago

just wanted to point out that Bush did not "WIN" two elections. Gore won the popular vote in the second election, and congress GAVE Bush the presidency even though that is not what the country voted for

BrianR 11 years, 10 months ago

"why do the Bush haters immerse themselves in denial that this could be grounds for impeachment still?"

That is really entertaining since there are still inbred morons trying to get Clinton impeached.

"The only difference between a rut and a grave is the dimensions." --Ellen Glasgow

meggers 11 years, 10 months ago


I think you mean the first presidential election and the Supreme Court, not congress.

meggers 11 years, 10 months ago

It was probably just an oversight, Arminius. No need to get nasty about it. Jeez.

KSChick1 11 years, 10 months ago

I'm not a moonbat, just a confused person trying to point out the fact that Bush did not WIN two elections that's the point of my post even if I did get some of the other details a little mixed up bite the fattest part of my a@@ Arminius

ASBESTOS 11 years, 10 months ago

Sorry Chick Bush won in 2004 by 3,000,000 votes I believe, from Wiki:

              VOTES        % Pop     EV

BUSH 62,040,610 50.7% 286 KERRY 59,028,111 48.3% 251

SO it appears he DID win 2004

ASBESTOS 11 years, 10 months ago

That's why both Repooplicans and Dippycrats are both courting the illimmigrant vote.

Getting illegals to vote for their guy on either side is a BAD move for AMERICANS!


I will take a crazy lefty or righty before I help an ILLEGAL ALIEN!!!

ASBESTOS 11 years, 10 months ago

Because "IT" is the worst offender. IT may have that 2-3 times in the same posting.

ALl it is is annoying and totally ignorant.

GSWtotheheart 11 years, 10 months ago


by John Cleese

Bitter after being snubbed for membership in the "Axis of Evil", Libya, China and Syria today announced that they had formed the "Axis of Just as Evil", which they said would be more evil than that stupid Iran-Iraq-North Korea axis President Bush warned of in his State of the Union address.

Axis of Evil members, however, immediately dismissed the new Axis as having, for starters, a really dumb name. "Right. They are just as their dreams!" declared North Korean leader Kim Jong-il. "Everybody knows we're the best at being evil...we're the best."

Diplomats from Syria denied they were jealous over being excluded, although they conceded they did ask if they could join the Axis of Evil. "They told us it was full," said Syrian President Bashar al-Assad. "An axis can't have more than three countries", explained Iraqi President Saddam Hussein. "This is not my rule, it's tradition. In World War II you had Germany, Italy, and Japan in the evil Axis. So, you can only have three, and a secret handshake. Ours is wicked cool."

International reaction to Bush's Axis of Evil declaration was swift, as within minutes, France surrendered.

Elsewhere, peer-conscious nations rushed to gain triumvirate status in what has become a game of geopolitical chairs. Cuba, Sudan and Serbia announced that they had formed the "Axis of Somewhat Evil", forcing Somalia to join with Uganda and Myanmar in the "Axis of Occasionally Evil", while Bulgaria, Indonesia and Russia established the "Axis of Not So Much Evil Really as Just Generally Disagreeable".

With the criteria suddenly expanded and all the desirable clubs filling up, Sierra Leone, El Salvador, and Rwanda applied to be called the "Axis of Countries That Aren't the Worst But Certainly Won't Be Asked to Host the Olympics".

Canada, Mexico and Australia formed the "Axis of Nations That Are Actually Quite Nice But Secretly Have Some Nasty Thoughts About America", while Scotland, New Zealand and Spain established the "Axis of Countries That Want Sheep to Wear Lipstick". "That's not a threat, really, just something we like to do", said Scottish Executive First Minister Jack McConnell.

While wondering if the other nations of the world weren't perhaps making fun of him, a cautious Bush granted approval for most axis, although he rejected the establishment of the "Axis of Countries Whose Names End in "Guay", accusing one of its members of filing a false application.

Officials from Paraguay, Uruguay, and Chadguay denied the charges.

drewdun 11 years, 10 months ago

You're right, conman, we liberal, leftist, anti-American elitists are engaged in a worldwide communist conspiracy to destroy the American way of life, Christianity, capitalism, mom and apple pie. We don't like baseball either. HOW DID YOU FIGURE US OUT, O BRILLIANT ONE? You and rightthinker are such ingenious sleuths to have uncovered our vast conspiracy. There must be a LEAKER who has BETRAYED the international communist conspiracy of which most Dems are unwitting members. Here they are, ostensibly advocating for clean and open government, a sane foreign policy, accountability from our elected leaders, country before party, sane fiscal policy, and the reversal of policies that further enrich the wealthy while the poor languish while in reality, liberal leftist pro-Islamohomoliberalosatanoevilofeminocommunofascists like John Kerry, Hillary Clinton, Howard Dean, and, gulp, myself secretly sing the Internationale in our communo-dens in our communo-dwellings. I guess if I can admit to this there is still hope for me and my comrades yet. I guess I just need to see the world for what it TRULY is through the CLEAR EYES of and interpret it with the HIGHLY ADVANCED INTELLECT of GREAT MEN and SUPER DETECTIVES like conman and rt.

Jesus, you guys are freakin CRAZY; a truly pathetic JOKE; and a CARICATURE of some chaw-spittin, sister-marryin, govt-subsidy-receivin, church-attendin, non-Bible-readin, Bible-thumpin, porch-sittin, pork-rind-eatin, uneducated, wood-wittlin, blind Bush-supportin, happy to pay high gas prices, mindless, white trash, knee-jerk reactionary, Pigknuckle, Kansas livin, redneck FASCIST to boot.

ASBESTOS 11 years, 10 months ago

That's not very nice..They aren't either rednecks. ;)


ASBESTOS 11 years, 10 months ago


"We've got 30 months remaining of a lame duck President who hasn't really done anything except run the Country like a Texas oil company."

Then it must have been run pretty darn well, because they sold a lot of product and have record profits. I'd say that is darn well run.

ASBESTOS 11 years, 10 months ago






Good lord, it is as I have pointed out before NOT intellectual, witty, sophisticated nor adult.

It adds nothing to the discussion AND I just skip right past most of your posts with it in, as I am sure other folks do.


In your words HGA:

"What a maroon!!!!"

ASBESTOS 11 years, 10 months ago

What is intellectual was the post by GSWtotheheart.

The Axis of the wanna be's.

xenophonschild 11 years, 10 months ago

We're not Bush-haters. Bush is too stupid to hate. He is a mouthpiece, a tool of his daddy's rich friends who bought him his office, just like they bought him a place on the Texas Rangers baseball team.

Dick Cheney and Karl Rove run the day-to-day of the Bush administration; whenever anything important comes up, they run to their super-rich bosses for directions as to what to do.

This is what you idiot troglodytes who denigrate Democrats so glaringly miss: If, what the super-rich want - and direct Cheney/Rove to do - is contrary to the best interests of the United States or most of our people, Cheney and Rove still do it!

And Democrats are the only ones who truly care about America, about all the wonderful things - culture, customs, laws, traditions, history - that make America great.

Conservatives talk a good game, sometimes, but they're phonies and liars. They are racists, and elitists, and are inclined to fascism. They can bloviate endlessly about "protecting America," when they despise minorities and women, and hurry only to genuflect before money.

They can fool some, and maybe even themselves, but they don't fool us.

ASBESTOS 11 years, 10 months ago


"We're not Bush-haters. Bush is too stupid to hate. He is a mouthpiece, a tool of his daddy's rich friends who bought him his office, just like they bought him a place on the Texas Rangers baseball team.

Dick Cheney and Karl Rove run the day-to-day of the Bush administration; whenever anything important comes up, they run to their super-rich bosses for directions as to what to do."

We Get that! We know that is what you think.

Move on. Find a NEW THOUGHT!!


ASBESTOS 11 years, 10 months ago

You are just as bad as Jack Katz.

YEah, we got that.

SOme one quoted Ron WHite "You can't cure stupid", but some think that if you repeat enough you can try.

xenophonschild 11 years, 10 months ago

Somehow, I'm not surprised that you watch Oprah Winfrey . . . or that you're attracted to hopelessly fat women struggling with their self images.

xenophonschild 11 years, 10 months ago


Get over yourself. And quit straddling fences. You're obviously intelligent enough to know that supernatural-based religions are false.

You should also be able to figure out that putting 2.2 trillion tons of carbon from fossil fuel into the atmosphere every decade is bad for the planet.

Sometimes you sound like a damned Republican . . . which the is most stinging insult I can deliver on a newspaper blog.

drewdun 11 years, 10 months ago

rightthinker=Einstein of our time. YOUR BRILLIANCE AND VAST KNOWLEDGE OF THE EARTH AND HUMAN SOCIETY WILL SURELY SAVE US, WISE ONE!!!!! Is there any chance I can ride out to Clinton Lake (We should change the name) on your AWESOME SUV, and ride in your RADICAL boat, and eat a FABULOUS filet mignon with you and your BEAUTIFUL wife while watching your INCREDIBLE plasma screen, all the while wishing I was as SMART and TALENTED as you? I mean, you have a friggin BOAT!!! You're something, pimp, and I'm definitely trying to emulate your ENORMOUSLY successful life!!!!! Please post some guidelines for me and all the other libtard, welfare-receiving losers to follow SO WE CAN BE JUST LIKE YOU, WINNER!!!!!

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