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Legislators want steeper penalties for animal cruelty

Kansas is one of nine states that treat animal abuse as a misdemeanor

January 22, 2006

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— Two lawmakers say they hope this will be the year to pass legislation cracking down on animal cruelty.

Two bills have been introduced, both increasing punishments for anyone abusing an animal, and another, which has been drafted, is expected to be introduced soon.

"The intent of this measure would be to find those offenders who take some joy in seeing something living tortured, maimed or killed so that we might prosecute and track them better as felons," Sen. David Haley, D-Kansas City, said.

His proposal would make extreme cruelty to animals a felony, a conviction that would remain permanently on an offender's record.

The other bill, proposed by Sen. Phil Journey, R-Haysville, would require animal torturers to undergo psychological evaluation, serve a county jail sentence, and have a sample of their DNA entered into a crime database.

Kansas is one of nine states that treat animal abuse as a misdemeanor, regardless how intentional or barbaric the abuse.

Haley started pushing for the changes in 1997, when a small terrier in Kansas City named Scruffy was tortured and killed.

Scruffy "was tortured to death by three grown men who videotaped their actions as they doused the small terrier in gasoline, put him in a garbage bag, slammed the bag many times on the ground, opened the bag, dumped the dog out, and put a match to him and put him out by beating him to death with shovels, all the time laughing, seemingly enjoying his agony," Haley said. "I thought it was horrendous and became interested in this issue."

Journey sponsored his bill after a Wichita incident just last year. A puppy named Magnum was found in a trash can with bound feet, a broken leg and large chemical burns. Within the next few days several more puppies were discovered in a similar condition.

Journey said he intended his bill to protect people, not just pets. That's why he wants to require the psychological evaluation and DNA registry.

"It is quite clear that there are instances where individuals have sadistically abused animals and then graduated to people and became serial murderers," Journey said.

Under Journey's bill, a first-time offense is not a felony. He said making a first-time offense a felony would make the bill more difficult to get approved.

The third animal cruelty bill would make animal cruelty a felony, but a felony similar to a DUI. The person would not receive more than a year in jail.

Journey calls this a felony "only by name." This bill also requires a psychological evaluation.

All three bills are expected to be considered by the Senate Judiciary Committee, but no hearings have been set.

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Marion Lynn 8 years, 2 months ago

The online presence known as "Conservativeman" has wrought his havoc on at least four local internet forums. He has trashed the CLOnline forum, the old LJW Reader Reaction, RiverCity and is now working his magic on Larryville.

He acts as a self appointed moderator, engages in the worst kind of ad hominem attacks, makes accusations so close to libelous that had he made them in a boardroom or employee meeting he would have been summarily sacked, and pummels those who disagree with him with cyber excretia until they simply go away.

Conservativeman assumes the unofficail position of greeter and doorman perhaps because doormen typically wear a military like uniform and he misses his dress outfit.

He left RiverCity because of the refusal of the admin there to adopt the homophobic stance of the Conservativeman not because his free speech was violated. When the admin at RCT refused to adopt an official policy of homophobia Conservativeman beagan a vicious series of personal attacks. he was warned and when the admin had enough, Conservativeman was told to take a hike.

Having been booted from CJonline, Reader Reaction; both of which simply shut down rather than continue to deal with Conservativeman and his type, and finally RCT which told him to go away, Conservativeman has landed again in the virginal and unsuspecting fields of the LJW forums .

Conservativeman attacks those who cannot respond to him, spins facts, outright lies, misquotes and censors or edits other printed matter to satisfy his perverse needs.

When called to task, he changes his tune and acts as Mr. Nice Guy until he is satisfied that those around him are comfortable and then starts right up again.

There are many who do not reply to him knowing full well that another of his internet rants will follow.

I am not one of those who fear him and through one means or another will show him for what he is, a poor miserable soul, vicious and mean; one who cares nothing for the feelings of others, only one who seeks to dominate his chosen venue through online bullying, lies, inuendo and shouting down those who disagree with him..

His aura of superiority is a false one, like the early morning fog, it dissipates in the light of truth.

Although he acts much like the drill sergeant in he is in fact a type which is used by the military until they are used up and then let out without a leash on an unsuspecting public.

Sociopathic and psychotic deviations which work well in certain military positions fail in the public sector and conservativeman is the poster child for the policy.

Conservativeman is very much like the schoolyard bully: inadequete and impotent, angry and resentful, a nuisance at best, very dangerous at worst.

In the deluded world of Conservativeman there is no real free speech, only the speech according to conservativeman.

Conservativeman is the most dangerous, odious and offensive kind of internet infestation.

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janniebullinlawrence 8 years, 2 months ago

My this has taken an ugly turn. Gr- I am not sure why you asked me the question related to babies being human. But I believe birth begins at conception therefore fetuses are alive. Life itself is precious wether it me man or beast. No living being deserves to be tortured or maimed; not even those who would say calous or hateful things. again I have no doubt the legislation will pass but again I see problems with the application as individual agencies begin application.

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mushfish 8 years, 2 months ago

We need to be kind and humane to all living creatures, even the lesser creatures like this conservativeman.

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conservativeman 8 years, 2 months ago

Bugman,

Why is shipping dog meat as part of our foriegn assistance wrong? Why not ship the meat if there is a market for it? We ship horse meat to Belgium.

Woofing down a steak would probably have to change to? Nah, we can still woof down a woof steak.

They use puppies for shark bait in the indian ocean. Shall we go to war over it?

WE DO NOT NEED ANY NEW LEGISLATION, IN FACT WE NEED TO REPEAL WHAT IS ON THE BOOKS.

If it isn't a crime, then no crime occurred.

Always Respectful, Conservativeman

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Lunatakesabiteofc_man 8 years, 2 months ago

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wonderhorse 8 years, 2 months ago

gr

All humans are animals. By 'babies,' are you talking about fetuses? I assume from your rhetoric that you are.

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conservativeman 8 years, 2 months ago

Animals are mere property. Elevating them to an equal status is insane. Lets see: The top ten reasons why we shouldn't pass more animal equality laws:

  1. Helper dogs will unionize and demand fair wages.
  2. Cattle will demand reparations.
  3. Fish will sue over habitat contamination and fisherman antogonism.
  4. Cockroaches will demand justice for decades of chemical weapons attacks against their "kind".
  5. Horses will petition the government for the right to marry hispanic women and russian royalty.
  6. Swine will sue HHS for allowing them to live in a sty.
  7. Monkeys get to experiment on scientists.
  8. Laika didn't want to go up in sputnik2, she gets posthumous asylum granted to the USA
  9. Rabbits sue the cosmetic industry for years of torture and are granted permission to harvest lucky childrens feet.
  10. Chicken farming in Arkansas is shut down and chickens seek assistance from the Holocast Museum in Auschwitz to recover the names of the lost at the Tyson Processing (death camps) plants.

Do you "people" really believe animals are sentient equals?

Always Respectful, Conservativeman

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gr 8 years, 2 months ago

bugmenot: do you think those countries who eat dogs are disgusting?

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gr 8 years, 2 months ago

bugmenot: "The legislation isn't strong enough. There is an almost 100% correlation between people who abuse animals and the escalation of that violence to human beings. If you lock up a person after they torture an animal, you're simply locking them up before they get a chance to hurt a human. These are the same people who will end up in jail for other "more heinous" crimes (more heinous, because they are done to humans)."

slippery slope, slippery slope, blah, blah, blather....

But, you're probably right.

Do you think there are any correlations with baby killers?

janniebullinlawrence: this is a thread about extra legislation against cruelty of animals. Are babies animals or are they human?

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bugmenot 8 years, 2 months ago

The post suggesting shipping unwanted dogs abroad for consumption is incindiary, juvenile, and pathetic. I sincerely hope that you only say these things to rile good-hearted people who care for animals. Your comment is as disgusting to me as if I were to suggest shipping aborted fetuses abroad for consumption, though both arguments are based on the same tortured, disgusting logic.

You are a disgrace to yourself and this community, and I suggest you resist the urge to trumpet your ignorance in such a public sphere again.

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bugmenot 8 years, 2 months ago

Actually, under current law, most states are turning away from the notion that animals are mere property.

There's nothing in any state's animal cruelty statute concerning animals raised for fur, fiber, or meat industries. There are specific exemptions in many states, Kansas included, for rodeo animals. All this (or any) animal cruelty statute aims to do is to legislate a baseline amount of protection all animals (in fact, all sentient beings) are entitled to. There is a certain degree of moral superiority that derives from the knowledge that you are treating animals as well as you can this day in age. I don't understand why your argument is that, because you don't equate pets with being family members, why protecting them is such a "waste". If you truly feel the way you do about animals (and if you do, please don't keep any), then what skin is it off your nose that the rest of society chooses to protect them. There is so little cost involved with that.

And, for the record, most people in America don't think fetuses are babies. You can keep equating the two; the law will continue to distinguish between them. Because animals which are being abused have already been born and thus entered life, that's why the law chooses to protect them. Lifting up one's neighbor does not give you the moral edge, especially if in so doing, you feel entitled to hold that person hostage, spewing forth your morality and beliefs before you give them your aid.

Typical conservative - when your arguments run dry, as they so often do, turn to creative use of terminology to divert the argument.

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conservativeman 8 years, 2 months ago

"For as long as anyone can remember, dogs have not only been man's best friend, but they also been man's best meal. Unfortunately, some countries have frowned upon the practice of eating dog meat, even though most of the world still holds the practice as perfectly acceptable. The purpose of this page is to put all controversy aside and just provide information to help you get the most enjoyment out of your dog."

Why does the USA ban the consumption of dog meat? We put so many stray dogs down when we could export the meat to third world relief.

Can the meat and ship it to areas where its consumption is acceptable, even desired.

http://www.deliciousdogs.com/

The saga of Luna (which by now everyone in lawrence knows)(roll eyes) could end happily. Mugaba Mutumbaba would love a supplement to his/her rice ration with a can of Luna.

I see no cruelty in shipping our excess produce to countries in need.

Respectfully, Conservativeman

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offtotheright 8 years, 2 months ago

Ban all animals within the City of Lawrence.

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conservativeman 8 years, 2 months ago

Wear fur!! The legislation will have to be very specific. Again, there is legislation already in place, it is a waste of time and money to persue a law that is already on the books.

What is "Cruel"? Kansas exports fur that is raised or trapped. Will fur harvesting become illegal? Coyotes and Fox are trapped, they are canine, again, what is cruel?

Animals are property, not humans. Making animal cruelty a felony while sentencing baby killers to 6 months in jail on a misdemeanor is insane. When did we start putting animals first? Moral bankruptcy and a society with no moral guide.

Moral superiority does not come from the legislation of animal human equality. It comes from lifting your neighbor up when he/she needs help. Help your fellow man, Rover is not a man!

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bugmenot 8 years, 2 months ago

Further, your volunteering for "euthanasia duty" is disgusting and betrays your absolute selfishness. I only hope that, in a time of sickness or need, someone treats you with the contempt and disinterest with which you view other living creatures.

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bugmenot 8 years, 2 months ago

The legislation isn't strong enough. There is an almost 100% correlation between people who abuse animals and the escalation of that violence to human beings. If you lock up a person after they torture an animal, you're simply locking them up before they get a chance to hurt a human. These are the same people who will end up in jail for other "more heinous" crimes (more heinous, because they are done to humans).

Secondly, though I fear to stoop to conservativeman's level by even acknowleding his virulently poisonous and intellectual devoid arguments, there is a huge leap between protecting animals from cruelty and advocating vegetarianism. Just because Kansas is trying to keep people from burning a puppy alive does not mean they're trying to keep you from your barbeque.

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conservativeman 8 years, 2 months ago

Enforcement is not the problem. The problem is clearly bad dogs and bad owners. This is all a non problem if owners would treat their property as such.

People anthropomorphise dogs and they should not.

Dogs are not part of the family. Bad dogs and their destruction is just another service provided by the city for bad owners to protect the integrity of good dogs and good owners.

I condone and encourage the destruction of bad dogs, feral dogs and cats.

Does the Humane society allow volunteers the opportunity to volunteer for euthanasia duty? Sign me up!

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janniebullinlawrence 8 years, 2 months ago

I do not condone killing on any level. Yes here are problems within the system of differentiating what is and is not murder within the topic of abortion. That is another thread all its own. This thread is about animal cruelty. Again I can see the bill being passed and rightfully so, however I canalso see where the system of Pleas will deter from the original point. I can see a kid who lets his dog off the leash getting a ticket and a sadist who tortures getting a plea agreement. Discretionatory Authority will ensure such speratic enforcement.

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gr 8 years, 2 months ago

If animals are not property and should not be owned, why do we allow pets in the city? No pets should be allowed. Or why are their "owners" cited with "violations"? The pet is it's own person?

On to other things...

Maybe the animal abusers used the wrong "method". What if they stuck a knife in the dog's skull and then sucked out the brains? Cleaned up their instruments, told the "owner" they'd be fine, and then said, "Next"?

None2, I think everyone would agree what they did with the animal was wrong. But, it sounds like you are one who promotes what you would call "equality". Don't you see if an animal has "rights" of protection, what more should a human baby have? Either that organism inside the mother's body is a "animal" and should be protected, or it's a baby and should be protected.

How do you equalize the father who killed the girlfriend's baby in the womb being a murderer and the doctor who is paid by the woman to kill her baby gets off free? The only answer I see, is one kills the baby against choice while the other pays to have it done.

If you go with against "choice", that's on shaky ground with abusing a dog.

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janniebullinlawrence 8 years, 2 months ago

This is tre but as you well know ife beaters and child abusers also get pleas. Recently a Lawrence man beat a child to death. The Communbity has found the plea agreement satisfactory because it lessens the burden of the victim. 16 years is not enough. Recently a grown man was offered boot camp in a plea agreement related to a case where he was having sex with a 13 year old girl. Boot Camp is not enough. Recently a Lawrence man was given probation for his participation of a gang bang of a teenage girl, his probation was revoked for violations but again reinstated. This is ridiculous. The problem wth any legslation is the Plea Bargaining system. Thoiose ho commit the worst acts will somehow slip through the cracks.

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ljreader 8 years, 2 months ago

These penalties are long over due. Anyone capable of torturing and killing a pet is void of feelings, except for the sadistic high they get lording their power over a defenseless and innocent creature. Any sicko who lacks compassion for our animal companions to the extent of intentionally causing them harm, also lack feelings for other humans. They are dangerous creatures. For most (mentally and emotionally healthy) people, our pets are our treasured companions and a part of our families. Anyone who sees an animal companion as merely property, probably treats the wife and kids the same way.

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janniebullinlawrence 8 years, 2 months ago

There are animial people and non animal people. For the most part if you are not an animal person that is fine by me. However if you are a non animal person who is also sadistic and seeks pleasure by hurting or otherwise mutilating an animal I do have a problem with that. A perso such as this should have legal penalties for their demented actions. When this article came up I started thinking about Scruffy. I saw that video on the news. Maybe Scruffy was a mutt but Scruffy matters and the guys that commited the act did not get what they deserved. The same goes for dog fighters and those such as my neighbor who leave their dog outside all night long wimpering and barking. It is difficult for an animal person to understand the mind of those who would neglect and otherwise harm a defenseless animal, but them again why would we want to. Yes legislation needs to be passed and those who commit such acts should be punished to the full extent in which Justice can exercise. I doubt that it will really happen though. Oh a bill will be passed but somewhere along the way the perpatrators will plea bargain through the system, just as the baby killers and molesters do. In Country where murders are allowed shorter sentances in exchange for pleas, where abortion is acceptable and where the applications of laws are at the discretion of Law Enforcement and officers of the court; Legislation means very little in application.

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bearded_gnome 8 years, 2 months ago

I am probably some one you would negatively label a "fundie," but I am in favor of this proposal(s), it is way past time for Kansas to have feloney animal cruelty!

very glad to have this proposal, will call my legislators in favor!

gnome dog received his obedience training from me personally. animals are placed in our care and are dependent on us. our responsibility as being the more powerful and more capable of forward thought is to care for them.

Dogs are instinctively loving and caring for us people.
yes, I believe God made them that way.

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conservativeman 8 years, 2 months ago

Bozo, I don't own a dog or any pet. It is a waste of money. I'd rather give my money to homeless charities, African relief and missions.

I LOVE animals. My favorite animal is BBQd steak! Mmmm Rare with mushrooms and onions. I also love porkchops fried in a pan in butter.

Hasenpfeffer is good. Venison stew is another favorite. Especially when I know it was my shot that dropped the meal.

Chicken and Turkey, mmmmm. Fried or roasted and sitting next to my mashed potatoes. That's love!!

Yes, animals love us, the love to feed us and keep us warm. They love my Lincoln also, so much so they covered my seats.

Animals are wonderful beasts, wonderful investments. We buy and sell animals every day.

I tasted dog before in Hong Kong about 18 years ago. It had a little bit of a copper taste to it. It was mostly soup and wasn't very appetizing. Guess you have to eat it a lot to get a taste for it. On the same trip we ate monkey on a dare, couldn't get past the idea of it being a nasty animal. Used to hunt bear but finally quit as I couldn't get a taste for it. Cougar as well.

Baby harp seal, now that has got to be delicious. Fat calfs from the rich milk of the sea. I wonder why they don't send the carcasses down for processing?

mushfish writes that I am a sick man. On the contrary, I am very healthy, red meat, fresh and lots of it. Iron and protein does a body good!

GOT MEAT!!

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just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 8 years, 2 months ago

Well, c-man, I still want to know if you've stopped beating your dog. After all, it's just property.

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willie_wildcat 8 years, 2 months ago

None2 and mushfish are absolutely correct. Animals are not property and legislation to punish those who harm animals is not a waste conservativeman. They cannot fight back like we can with a weapon or our fists. It's sick that someone can put a cat on a bbq and set it on fire and laugh about it. Im behind this 100% and I hope it gets passed. And none2 is right bout the fundies. If they were so pro-life as they claim to be then abortion would have been banned a long time ago.

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moron 8 years, 2 months ago

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mushfish 8 years, 2 months ago

You are a sick man, mr conserativeman. Haven't you ever had a pet and looked in their eyes and seen the unconditional love they give? They are not property, one can not own a living, free spirit, a life. It's sick people like yourself that beat and mutalate poor defenseless animals. I'm all for this legislation. Peace, p.s..... You strike me as an overzealous christian, am I right.

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conservativeman 8 years, 2 months ago

Bozo wrote: "Have you stopped beating your dog, c-man?"

Mr. Bozo, Did you not whine about ad hominem attacks this morning? What evidence do you have that I have a dog? That if I "owned" a dog that I beat it? Or if I did beat a dog I would want to stop?

Mr. Bozo, did your comment add anything to this thread?

None2,

I cited above how an animal death has become more important to the judiciary than the death of a young human. When did kittens exceed human babies in value?

Respectfully, Conservativeman

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none2 8 years, 2 months ago

What hypocracy from the fundamentalist right about being concerned about children. The fundamentalist right is more concerned about who can marry who and making sure students don't think we evolved from other primates than they are protecting the murder of unborn children. Pro-file is NOT a priority of the fundamentalists otherwise abortion would have been banned YEARS ago. They have the clout; it just isn't their priority.

Do you really think someone can set an animal on fire, videotape it, laugh about it; and yet be a model citizen and good parent? A person who gets off on that needs to be locked up before they do it again or go on to abuse humans.

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conservativeman 8 years, 2 months ago

Look at Kansas City two years ago.

Case 1: Subject sentenced to 2 years in prison for placing a kitten on a bbq grill.

Case 2: Subject sentenced to 6 months for killing his girlfriends baby.

WTF?

Conner Peterson was killed in the womb, his father was convicted of the murder. Murder of an unborn child.

Animal cruelty is a waste of legislation. Animals are property, nothing more.

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none2 8 years, 2 months ago

So because the laws of this state and this country on abortion don't jive with you, no other laws on other matters should be passed? Perhaps we should just put all current & future laws on hold until you get your way.

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lunacydetector 8 years, 2 months ago

is an unborn human considered an animal as well?

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Jamesaust 8 years, 2 months ago

Psychological evaluation and DNA registry are important because abuse of animals is a frequent precursor to development of sadistic murderers.

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