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Grammar point

February 12, 2006

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To the editor:

Supporters of State Education Commissioner Bob Corkins often state that, despite possessing no credentials or experience in the field of education, he is nonetheless qualified for the job. However, in Dave Ranney's Feb. 9 Journal-World story, "Corkins to ask for $150M for state's schools," Corkins is quoted, "There is no criteria by which to judge success in meeting the court's expectations."

I won't even address the obvious fact that Corkins' remarks belie his understanding of the Kansas court ruling in this matter. I will address our education commissioner's grammatical skills. "Criteria" is the plural of "criterion." Therefore, Mr. Corkins should have said, "There ARE no criteria by which to judge success in meeting the court's expectations." Even without a background in education, it is reasonable to expect that the chief state education official can speak English on a junior high school level.

Robert Sokol,

Lawrence

Comments

rightthinker 8 years, 2 months ago

Hillary in '08---do we have to talk about this now? I need the year or so we have left before we may or may not face the nightmare of Hillary hitting the campaign trail. Hide anything, my male freinds that you covet.

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observer 8 years, 2 months ago

con-man. see you're living up to your reputation. All stupidity, all the time.

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gradstudent_phd 8 years, 2 months ago

same ole thing here too. geez. BOBS WHERE ARE YOU?

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conservativeman 8 years, 2 months ago

Obfuscator,

That is so stupid! Do you really believe the garbage you post? Doh! We'll continue to look at you with pity and awe, Ma'am, you are the classic village idiot.

Thanks for all the laughs

ROTFLMAO

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observer 8 years, 2 months ago

Can't you just see 2008, Hillary vs Condi. Wouldn't that be a joke? Especially if Hillary won, course yopu christians would never let a woman run, not lady like, besides, she doesn't have a husband to think for her.

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rightthinker 8 years, 2 months ago

Arminius, the Hillary "you know" is hilarious (kind of). I had a boss that had a quirky thing he did with you where he would look up just sort of 1:00 position of you and about 25-30 degress over your head and repeat your question in a good 'ol boy, Andy Griffith-ish sort of way. This was amusing and was merely a stall tactic he employed in order to formulate a bullst answer for you. So, this long stupid story of mine is brought to mind as Hillary is doing the "you know" with that trademark soul-less, rolling-eyes look of hers to formulate a bullst answer; which is all you ever get from Hillary (or Bill).

It's always nice when I can identify someone who hates Hillary at least as much as I do. The women is an ever-loving joke and even the notion that she can or will run for president itself is quite alarming as it speaks to the human content of this country.

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Arminius 8 years, 2 months ago

observer:

Hillary's "you knows" are hers and, you know, hers alone.

Speaking of English usage, is it, you know, proper to use "Clinton" and "integrity" in, you know, the same sentence?

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observer 8 years, 2 months ago

sounds like Kevin has given up on blaming Bill for George's screw-ups and is going after Hillary. Either Clinton has more brains and integrity than W.

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Arminius 8 years, 2 months ago

bozo:

"I won't defend Hillary as an orator, but how can you possibly complain about her when she is clearly superior our linguistic-mangler-in-chief?"

I don't think you've made a very good point. It's like saying we can't criticize McVeigh for killing 168 Americans when the 9/11 terrorists killed 3,000 Americans.

In any case, I don't know if I would argue that Hillary is linguistically superior to Bush. The press makes a lot of noise about Bush's faux pas, but where are the articles about Hillary's "you knows"? Bush may mispronounce "nuclear" when discussing the topics of nuclear energy and nuclear weapons, but Hillary uses "you know" with all topics.

Here ARE two more Hillary interviews: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0505/26/ip.01.html http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,138948,00.html

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just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 8 years, 2 months ago

I won't defend Hillary as an orator, but how can you possibly complain about her when she is clearly superior our linguistic-mangler-in-chief?

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Arminius 8 years, 2 months ago

Another possibility is Corkins was misquoted. It has been known to happen.

Either way, is this a disqualifer? As bozo noted, look how many otherwise educated people say "between you and I." I usually respond to them by saying, "You mean between we?"

Many of those who agree with the letter writer are probably prepared to vote for Hillary Clinton in 2008. Her constant use of "you know" drives me crazy. This woman went to elite universities and finished law school. Here's just one example from 2004: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4757422

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Jamesaust 8 years, 2 months ago

I just assumed that he meant "there is no criterion" but then thought that sounded too stupid when initiating a statement that he was clueless about a core competency element of his job.

There's a difference between a teacher coaching students on what to study for an exam and actually filling in the answers for them. The Kansas Supreme Court has schooled state officials adequately on what they need "to pass the test." Bob either is mentally deficient in evaluating that coaching, or more likely, just doesn't like the answer.

Sorry, Bob, but 2+2 is not $150 million (less than the Powerball jackpot!). Do you want to retake the test again?

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yourworstnightmare 8 years, 2 months ago

Miscues of grammar, particularly in extemporaneous speech, can be forgiven, although they are becoming more common and one might expect a higher standard from the Commissioner of Education.

More troubling is Corkins' actual experience with public schools, which has consisted of attempts at undermining them academically and financially. A fox in the henhouse.

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just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 8 years, 2 months ago

My pet peeve is using the subject form of a pronoun in a phrase such as "between you and I" rather than "between you and me." That hyper-correct form grates way more than a vernacular expression such as "Me and him went for a beer."

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Souki 8 years, 2 months ago

Even without confusing plurals that don't look like ordinary plurals, number agreement between verbs and nouns seems to be disappearing in sentences like "There (is or are) (some multiple of things)." You hear things like "There's four reasons" or "There's three people in the car" all the time now.

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observer 8 years, 2 months ago

But he shouldn't be assisting it aa a role model.

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Curtona 8 years, 2 months ago

I agree. But have you heard the junior high schoolers speaking English lately? It's the quality of education that's going into the toilet. Perhaps Corkins can't help it.

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