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Wetlands value

December 22, 2006


To the editor:

George Lauppe, Haskell's former registrar, claims the wetlands is a "manmade lake." He was around when over two-thirds of their campus was "disposed" of by paternalistic BIA bureaucrats who showed no respect for the wishes or opinions of Indians.

Even the Federal Highway Administration acknowledges that "In the 1880s and 1890s, the Haskell farm was focused on the upland areas, generally north of where 31st Street is today, because of the wetland nature of the bottom lands. The area today is returning to a wetland probably similar to the era prior to pioneer settlement" (FHwA 4(f) report p.14).

Lauppe and other advocates for paving the wetlands claim they are "uncertain of the environmental significance" of the wetlands because they were once farmed. Cheyenne Bottoms, one of the most internationally significant wetlands in North America, was not only drained for farming, it served as a practice bombing range throughout World War II. Some may recall Saddam drained the marshlands of southern Iraq, another "swamp" that sheltered resisters from tyranny.

Kansans, like most Euro-Americans, believed until recently that wetlands were "wastelands" of no value unless drained. The Cheyenne, like virtually all other indigenous peoples on this continent, shared a fundamentally different attitude toward wetlands. They were primary sources for game and gathering places for medicines, ceremonial items, important food plants, fibers, dyes and many other essential items. For Haskellites these wetlands hold an even deeper historical and spiritual significance that the Lauppes of this community could never appreciate.

Michael Caron,



trinity 11 years, 6 months ago

that's the second time in about 5 minutes a post of yours made me smile/laugh, redneck...

suuuuuure ya didn't mean to rhyme, ya poet, lol...

KS 11 years, 6 months ago

Let the pavers roll. Get er done!

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 11 years, 6 months ago

Looks like the defensive injun-haters are out this morning, singing "I want my SLT!!"

topflight 11 years, 6 months ago

BLAH BLAH BLAH. That is the article summed up in 3 words.

Kelly Powell 11 years, 6 months ago

Euro americans? All kansans are white? I won't even get into "haskellite"......

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 11 years, 6 months ago

They probably wouldn't have bulldozed white settlements as soon as they were established, if they had any idea how badly they'd get screwed as more and more of them came to steal their lands.

classclown 11 years, 6 months ago

The indians introduced whitey to tobacco making them America's original drug pushers.

Talk about screwing a bunch of people over.

50YearResident 11 years, 6 months ago

If the wet lands are so important to Haskell why haven't I ever in my 50 years of driving by seen at least "ONE STUDENT" on that side of the road?

classclown 11 years, 6 months ago

Maybe they have a pot farm in there they don't want razed.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 11 years, 6 months ago

"Would you rather we not admit that issue at all?"

Yes, they would rather remain in denial about that elephant in the room.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 11 years, 6 months ago

Remove the dikes that protect roads on either side and Clinton Dam, and you'll see just how "artificial" those wetlands (along with several thousand other acres along the Waky) really are.

conservative 11 years, 6 months ago

Bozo, yep, you'd see that during parts of the year they are flooded, and during parts of the year they are bone dry (assuming you remove the dikes put in along the wakarusa river that keep them wet year round). It would not be the same habitat at all. Thank you so much for making that point.

Have a Merry Christmas everyone!

Raider 11 years, 6 months ago

"They were primary sources for game and gathering places for medicines, ceremonial items, important food plants, fibers, dyes and many other essential items."

There is a new place for all of this now. It's called Dillon's.

I don't care if the damned thing goes to 32nd St or 42nd St as long as the SLT gets built. Cross-town traffic is ridiculous, and it's all because Haskell wants to screw whitey. Let it go. Build the danged road.

estespark 11 years, 6 months ago

I will never understand why anyone would support the 42nd street alignment.

Also, what's with "whitey" and "injuns"? Are we in Blazing Saddles?

samurai_5 11 years, 6 months ago

God this town is so depressing. So what essentially everyone on here is saying is that if the SLT is built through the wetlands then everyone will treat the Haskell Community with more respect because they, what, gave up the land? Yeah, sure. Has haskell ever opposed ANY OTHER development in all the rest of the expansion of lawrence? I don't think so. But because we oppose this then all the sudden it becomes a means as evening the historical score? Lawrence drivers drive like crap. That's why traffic is bad. It has nothing to do with how many roads we have, it has everything to do with plain old LACK OF CONSIDERATION for other people, regardless of race. Another road isn't going to solve any problems of congestion on the streets, it will only create more streets for bad drivers.

Raider 11 years, 6 months ago

Lack of consideration for others has absolutely nothing to do with the number of cars on the road. Cross-town traffic is congested because there are simply too many people trying to get from the east side to the west, and vice-versa. There are two main arteries that carry traffic from east to west, and those are 23rd and 6th St. (duh, we all know this). If there were a bypass of some sort to deliver the through traffic to the opposite side of town, then there wouldn't be so much congestion along 23rd. Basically, that's what this is all about. Why Haskell keeps fighting it, I don't know. Hell, they don't even own the land anymore. Baker owns it. Haskell is just butting it's nose in where it doesn't belong. It's the equivalent of you telling your neighbor what to do with their yard.

samurai_5 11 years, 6 months ago

Well, if my neighbor wanted to come and build a road through my yard I think I would have something to say about it. And I have lived in this town long enough to know what this is about, duh! So all those people HAVE to take 23rd and 6th to get where they need to go, right? They can't possibly go through the neighborhoods.

Raider 11 years, 6 months ago

Samurai, that's just the problem. The people ARE going through the neighborhoods. Did you not read the article yesterday about the volume of traffice along 27th St? You can't put Parkway type traffic volumes on residential streets. The SLT needs to be finished. Haskell needs to let it go.

Kelly Powell 11 years, 6 months ago

"defensive injun haters".......Double standards really suit you bozo....once again i will be at the jackpot at 6pm....come tell me what an injun hater I am....d0uche.

samurai_5 11 years, 6 months ago

I think they'll let it go about as soon as the stolen land is returned.

sublime 11 years, 6 months ago

This subject has made me sick for years.ITS A SWAMP!!!No one cares about the "sacred swamp lands".Except these pretentious people that are so full of sh!t.They just want a "cause "to fight for because it makes them feel like thier pitiful little lives are some how important.In reality ,they could not care less about indians or the "sacred swamp lands"....Heres an idea,if you must protest,once the new road is complete,stay off of it.

KUDB99 11 years, 6 months ago

wow....samurai....I believe the Lawrence drivers are pretty good, except for when class is in session. Hmmm, me thinks you take the student factor out of your equation, such as the high volume of stupid, drunk college kids on the roads, and Lawrence drivers are pretty nice to one another.

That still doesn't justify a largely transient population of students having as much say about the long term developments as the permanent residents.

conservative 11 years, 6 months ago


I've written this to you before, but I'll do so again.

Nice double standard. The "Whitey" remark was clearly in response to Bozo's "Injun" posts.

Again you attack those who you disagree with while giving a pass to those whose views you agree with. Sounds like the definition of a hypocrite to me.

doubledogleg 11 years, 6 months ago

could an "environmentalist" out there explain to me why "wetlands" are given a greater environmental "value" than say prairie land or riparian woodlands? why is it ok to "destroy" native grassland and woodlands (42nd street) as opposed to wetlands (32nd)? shouldn't all the earth valued equally? by the way 32nd street route will create about 250 additional acres of wetlands.

Mkh 11 years, 6 months ago

"The area today is returning to a wetland probably similar to the era prior to pioneer settlement"

You can go even farther back to about 500,000 years ago, when the entire area was a wetland.

kcwarpony 11 years, 6 months ago

I think Baker has rolled over Haskell enough. It started with the land transfer. The BIA (DOI) transferred the land to the Bureau of Sport Fisheries and Wildlife (another agency within the DOI) "for management". It was the Bureau of Sport Fisheries and Wildlife who transferred the land to the Dept. of Health, Education, and Welfare. HEW then "conveyed" the land to Baker. Baker then gets a quit claim deed. I misspoke in a previous post on another article saying the BIA sold the land, they didn't. It went from one DOI agency to another DOI agency, who then let it go from DOI to another department, that department gave it away. So, Baker paid nothing for the 573 acres they received and lands that were supposed to be held in trust for the Indians was just given away.

Then Baker gets this...

From Appendix A Baker University Wetlands A3 Northwest Quadrant
DRAFT Section 4(f) Evaluation.

"Louisiana Flood Canal: This canal was constructed in 1970-71 by the Wakarusa Watershed District (headquarters in Overbrook) to drain runoff from Naismith Creek directly to the Wakarusa River, thereby avoiding the relatively non-functional northern canal. Baker negotiated that in exchange for the impact of this project on its property, the township road now referred to as 35th Street, be closed and the ROW abandoned. In return, 31st Street would be constructed along its present route. The large earthen levee along the flood canal was constructed at that time, thus completely eliminating the permanent wetlands mentioned above."

Part of 31st is on land that Haskell still owns. Did Baker get to dictate were 31st street went while being able to close 35th street, a road they didn't want? If that is the case then it seems Baker has been favored quite a bit over Haskell.

Enough is enough. You want an SLT? Take it down 42st street.

sublime 11 years, 6 months ago

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conservative 11 years, 6 months ago

You want 31st street off of Haskell Land? Then build the SLT on 32nd. That route includes moving 31st off of Haskell lands. It also costs 50 million less and creates more wetlands.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 11 years, 6 months ago

32nd is still Haskell land, albeit stolen Haskell land.

conservative 11 years, 6 months ago

No Bozo, it is legally Baker land. If Haskell truly has a claim they'd better file suit and quick. Please note they haven't done this. All the talk about it being done illegally is nothing but amateur interpretations of legal statutes. The native Americans have plenty of money available if they want to pursue a legal option, but they haven't which pretty well indicates they know they don't have a legal claim.

kcwarpony 11 years, 6 months ago

Just because something MAY have been done legally does not make it morally right.

Richard Heckler 11 years, 6 months ago

The reason traffic is so bad is because thousands of new homes have been built in the last 20 years. Any bypass no matter where it is built will have little to no effect on the constant inner city traffic debacle. The everyday drivers out and about are not looking for bypass entertainment it is mostly about KU,jobs and most certainly shopping.

We notice when KU is on break traffic is so much lighter and getting around is not such a hassle after all. Lawrence is dependent on KU so why not grin and bear it.

If a bypass is ever built rush hour drivers will exchange a slow moving 23rd street to very slow backed up movement on the entry/exit ramps.

Why not make 1000rd and 1100 rd south off 59 more user friendly to divert traffic towards the 1057 K-10 interchange? Our taxes will go up to accomplish this task in the near future anyway and our taxes are going up to help fund any bypass. How many tax increases can we tolerate? West and NW residents have acsess to I-70 as it is.

budwhysir 11 years, 6 months ago

It seems like the wetlands was valued at aroun 3.50 sqft but Im not sure about this figure.

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