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Distorted history

August 13, 2006

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To the editor:

Cal Thomas has given a prime example of how he distorts history to make his point. He claims that if our lost battles in World War II had been reported the way things are reported in Iraq the American people would have demanded we give in to Hitler! What a gross misunderstanding of the mood in this country in 1945! We wouldn't have given in if he had tanks on the Missouri!

Lynn Sheppard,

Oskaloosa

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just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 7 years, 8 months ago

"I suppose that Al Quida just moved into Iraq in the last two years??"

That's pretty much the case.

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rightthinker 7 years, 8 months ago

by conservativeman:

"Put 2 million americans in uniform, censor the press and pipe propoganda into every broadcast. We can fix the problem!!"

Excellent!!!!

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conservativeman 7 years, 8 months ago

Colt45 summed it up well the other day.

Radical Islam are the few that want peace.

The rest need to be given martyrdom!

As for the comparison made by Cal Thomas of WWII battles and todays fight with the media bias the solution is simple. The congress shall declare war against terrorism and mobilize the country. Put 2 million americans in uniform, censor the press and pipe propoganda into every broadcast. We can fix the problem!!

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Defender 7 years, 8 months ago

Got any proof of your allegation TJ? Hmmm? Well?

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TJ_in_Lawrence 7 years, 8 months ago

Your worst nightmare said, "Saddam and Iraq had nothing to do with September 11"

Jeez the drugs must be good in your neighborhood.

I suppose that Al Quida just moved into Iraq in the last two years??

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xenophonschild 7 years, 8 months ago

The conflagration we're heading into with Islam may be worse than anything we've ever seen before.

They hate us. This is an entire religion, a cultural entity that transcends nations, even continents. If there are "moderate" Muslims who don't rejoice at our difficulties (even though we brought them on ourselves), they seem few and very far in between the main-line head-bangers-for-Allah who want us dead.

We'll maybe look back at these times as moments of relative peace and strength. The next American president may have the onerous task of determining the proper American response to an Islamic nuclear attack on Israel. Sure hope Hillary is up to it.

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bialystocknbloom 7 years, 8 months ago

Barclay just what is wrong with having a problem with Cal Thomas because he believes in what you listed? The LTE writer might be right. Thomas isn't.

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swbsow 7 years, 8 months ago

It constantly amazes me that, in general, the people who were horrified by the Holocaust (and I have no idea if you are one of them, xenophonschild) have no problem advocating extermination of a population simply because of their religious beliefs.

/Godwin strikes again

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rightthinker 7 years, 8 months ago

by peniphonschild:

"We need leaders who have the vision and resolve to eliminate hundreds of millions of people, if that proves necessary for our survival."

Well, in that case, I'm voting for Hillary. AAAAHAHA!!!!

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xenophonschild 7 years, 8 months ago

When Mariko said: "Kill them all, Yoshinaka!" she caught the essence of what must happen to Islamic fundamentalists who advocate violence against the secular West.

We need leaders who have the vision and resolve to eliminate hundreds of millions of people, if that proves necessary for our survival. As horrific as that sounds, it is the unvarnished truth. It's slowly rounding into circumstances where it's them or us. I choose us.

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rightthinker 7 years, 8 months ago

Yeah, I agree, you all on the left have convinced me. We should stop any and all efforts to stop those who want us dead. I mean, come on, how many of us can those third world Arabs really kill, geez, and they arn't capable of pulling off any elaborate schemes to kill 3000 or so people at once or anything. I think if we hope for the best, we'd not lose more than, what, 3000 people tops every few years---that's no biggie.

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swbsow 7 years, 8 months ago

Just means that we are still after him and that he is very good at what he does.

Marion,

While I agree with you on...

"He could be hiding in a villa in Switzerland, running things through a series of blind email addys, blind drops, third parties, etc and we would never know it."

Unfortunately, it is no longer Bush's priority and has not been for some time.

"I don't know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don't care. It's not that important. It's not our priority." - G.W. Bush, 3/13/02 (my note - no source given)

"I am truly not that concerned about him." - G.W. Bush, repsonding to a question about bin Laden's whereabouts, 3/13/02 (The New American, 4/8/02)

and Bush disbanded the CIA unit who was in charge of finding bin Laden.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,202035,00.html

The article has conflicting reasons as to why it was disbanded but given Bush's previous comments, it could be more likely that bin Laden is just not that big of a speck on Bush's radar screen anymore.

Hopefully, the latest attempt of an attack will change his mind.

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yourworstnightmare 7 years, 8 months ago

Saddam and Iraq had nothing to do with September 11, and Saddam actually cracked down on many fundamentalist islamic terrorists who were trying to overthrow his secular dictatorship (the bodies of these islamic terrorists and their families are the ones being found now in mass graves, executed by Saddam).

Iraq had nothing to do with terrorism then and in fact was fighting his own war on islamic terror. Thanks to the overthrow of Saddam, the complete dismantling of the army and baathist profession class, and the complete lack of any post-invasion plan, the Bush administration has turrned Iraq into a dangerous breeding ground for terrorists.

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jayhawks71 7 years, 8 months ago

rightthinker, you seem prepared to dismiss anything that would make the US government look bad. You should try being a skeptic once in a while instead of being blinded by the spotlight that government has put on you.

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drewdun 7 years, 8 months ago

Cal is a certified member of the lunatic fringe.

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Jamesaust 7 years, 8 months ago

Hmmm....WWII and Iraq war. Compare/contrast.

Well, in WWII our forefathers developed a military largely from scratch and sent them into battle on a global basis eventually occupying the great powers of the time in about three and a half years, sacrificing all to accomplish this aim including the egos of many a leader who failed to deliver.

We are soon approaching this length of time in Iraq. Discounting for a start from unprecedented heights on military armament, can anyone seriously claim anything beyond Lilliputian results? Has there been any seriousness of effort to win from this 'just enough troops to lose' cabal?

Just as its hard to argue with success, its also hard to not argue with failure -- gross -- incompetent -- failure.

Now we have some inkling of how people in the Middle Ages looked back upon remnants from the Classical Age and felt like midgets gazing up upon the grandeur of unimaginable giants.

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rightthinker 7 years, 8 months ago

Here comes more: Late breaking Seymour Hersh accusing GWB adm. more of less of orchestrating Israeli/Hezballah war.

Of course, Wolf Blitzer has spittle coming out of his mouth he's so excited...can barely talk without stuttering and stammering.

Unbelievable.

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Marion Lynn 7 years, 8 months ago

xenophonschild;

Someof the most ratinal posts I have ever seen you author.

Thanks.

Marion.

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moderator 7 years, 8 months ago

xenophonschild said: "we are moving inexorably toward total war between Islam and our secular West."


I would say that it is more of a war between the fundamentalist Christians and Islam. The conservatives are using this to their advantage by seeding ideas in the populace that they hope grow into hatred of all people brown skined. Remember that the Republicans power is firmly seated in the fear of the nation. If the people are not scared, the Republicans are powerless. Look for terrorist tapes / the security level being raised / thwarted "plans" that will be used as a political device.

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rightthinker 7 years, 8 months ago

by peniphonschild:

There you go with the "old-sky-god" crap again----i'm gonna erp if I see that phrase one more time!

and:

"It may be that liberal Democrats are the only ones who see the scope of the threat sufficiently, and posses both the competency and resolve, to "eliminate Islam's ability to harm us."

That may well be the goofiest thing you've ever written on this forum!! Are you sure tequila is the only substance you were ingesting last night? I think you were making it with (L)ucy in the (S)ky with (D)iamonds.

You're the Dummiecrats version of me, saying things just to get a rise out of your opponent---funny though, thanks for the laugh!!

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xenophonschild 7 years, 8 months ago

drooling lickspittle:

Not as bad as I imagined it would be.

Sadly, even those of your political persuasion don't seem to grasp that the only way to neutralize the threat Islam is to our secular existence is to "eliminate their ability to harm us."

And get rid of all the old sky-god religions. They are past their time, and events are showing - again - that they are more trouble than they have ever been worth.

It may be that liberal Democrats are the only ones who see the scope of the threat sufficiently, and posses both the competency and resolve, to "eliminate Islam's ability to harm us."

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rightthinker 7 years, 8 months ago

by peniphonschild:

".......we are moving inexorably toward total war between Islam and our secular West."

Gee, what made you think that? I think you need to go back to bed and sleep off your tequila.

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xenophonschild 7 years, 8 months ago

Maybe some of those in charge aren't as dumb as some of us believe at first sight.

Maybe one scenario they're trying to avoid is our having to destroy Islam (Islam is the enemy, by the way) by killing all Muslims on the planet. All the men, all the women, all the children, all the infants, all the elderly - moderates, extremists, everyone in between - dead.

A nuclear assault from Algeria to Borneo, and "purges" in every village, town, city, country where Muslims reside.

Like a bomb exploding in slow motion - so slow that people in the blast are barely conscious of it - we are moving inexorably toward total war between Islam and our secular West. The image burned into our brains of jetliners flying into the Two Towers should have convinced us of the gravity of our peril, the degree of hatred our adversaries hold toward us, but it did not.

Just my opinion, but leave the doubting and handwringing to others, at a later time. Start doing whatever needs to be done to destroy Islam, to root it out completely. It - and Judiasm - is a vile, retrograde religion that deserves to be forcefully exterminated from the planet.

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Marion Lynn 7 years, 8 months ago

JAOBOTB:

Cartoons as as "motivators" for radical Muslim to kill innocent people.

Get real and accept that we are at war, whether or not we want to be.

Radical Muslim has declared war on, yes, Bozo, even you and would just love to blow you up as well.

Thanks.

Marion.

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i_tching 7 years, 8 months ago

The truth will enslave you, so it is well that you live by propaganda.

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just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 7 years, 8 months ago

The suspected terrorists were caught using standard investigative tools. It required no war against Pakistan to accomplish it.

However, it's quite likely that among the Pakistanis arrested the wars against Muslims in Afghanistan, Iraq, Lebanon and Palestine were great motivators to want to blow themselves up for Allah.

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Marion Lynn 7 years, 8 months ago

Cal Thomas is correct in his assertion.

Photos and articles were very carefully censored and controlled during WW II for precisely the reason that he specifies in his article.

We are indeed at war and Ragingbear's "Wouldn't we have gotten Bin Laden by now?" question can be easily answered.

"Not necessarily!".

The world is a big place and these guys have been planning for a long time.

bin Laden promoted the myth of his kidney failure which we are not fairly certain is untrue.

He could be hiding in a villa in Switzerland, running things through a series of blind email addys, blind drops, third parties, etc and we would never know it.

Once we find him, his head will be on a plate but that is taking some time and not surprisingly so.

Our society is accustomed to the soundbite and is impatient, requiring immediate gratification so that fact that we have not yet causght up with bin Laden is interpreted as failure.

Wrong.

Just means that we are still after him and that he is very good at what he does.

Thanks.

Marion.

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Ragingbear 7 years, 8 months ago

If we were fighting a "War" then we would have won already. Instead, we are taking advantage to mold the people of this country into suckers that think random searches and violations of human rights are for the best.

If we were really fighting terrorism.. Wouldn't we have gotten Bin Laden by now?

Remember Faluja? The city was full of insurgants, the people were protecting them. If we were at war with them, then there should be nothing left of Faluja but a burnt scar on the ground.

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rightthinker 7 years, 8 months ago

As crazy as this will sound, If I had to chose twix'd the two, I'd chose a "WWII" to fight vs. whatever-in-the-hell-type "war" we're trying to fight now. Of course neither would be the best, but that isn't our reality, then or now. Then, Hitler had the SS, uniformed soldiers, Panzers, Luftwaffe, stalags, headquarters etc etc. that we could ID and fight in combat.

Now, our "enemy" just has a little rug he can unroll 2-3 time a day to pray on, a cell phone and a bank account and lives around the corner from Joe's Deli and is a "universtity student".

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MWIV 7 years, 8 months ago

Barclay, you say it pretty well. Stay on it.

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Barclay 7 years, 8 months ago

Mood is irrelevant. As evidenced by the terror plot in Britain, we are at war- a new kind of war- and in order to protect ourselves from the punching and kicking of arms and legs we must fight the "head"- that is what we are doing in Iraq and Afghanistan. By the way there was a much stronger anti-war, isolationist sentiment in the US during WWII than people realize. Admit it, your problem with Cal Thomas is that he is a moral conservative, pro-life and does not believe homosexuality is morally correct. If he wasn't those two things, I think you would agree with him about the war on terror. I don't get the point about tanks in Missouri. Because we are fighting where we are and the places we have historically fought and won, are the reason there are not enemy tanks in Missouri!

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DuQuesne 7 years, 8 months ago

I've read a lot of Cal Thomas' columns. He's a little like Bill O'Reilly - after the speed wears off.

I'll send him a quarter if someone else will - then he can call somebody who has a clue.

-Schuyler DuQuesne

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