Archive for Saturday, November 19, 2005

Which is it?

November 19, 2005


To the editor:

Let me see if I've got this straight. In an article on page 4A of the Nov. 16 Lawrence Journal-World, the Bush administration threatened to veto a defense spending bill passed by the Senate 98-0, "because it includes a prohibition against cruel, inhuman and degrading treatment of detainees." Yet when another article on page 9A in the same paper reported 173 Iraqi detainees were malnourished and showing signs of torture, the Bush administration said, "We don't practice torture, and we don't believe that others should practice torture."

I don't remember any administration ever offering conflicting positions on a policy on the same day, but then nobody ever accused our president of being too smart either. Perhaps you better tell us again, George, just why is it you think we should trust you?

Jerry Lyons,



rtwngr 12 years, 7 months ago

The problem with people like "bozo" and the author of the letter is that they truly believe that intelligence is restricted to whoever agrees with them. They believe they are the only persons allowed to exercise free speech. When someone does disagree, they result to insults and mudslinging. I point to bozo's reply as an example.

bisky1 12 years, 7 months ago

let's all remember that smart means that you agree with what i'm saying and has nothing to do with cognitive ability. i'm still waiting for someone to show that there has been real torture used by our military. the detainees you mention were not in US custody AND our military are in fact the ones who made the situation public and did what they could to make things right.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 12 years, 7 months ago

"let's all remember that smart means that you agree with what i'm saying and has nothing to do with cognitive ability."

I've never heard a better description of BushCo/ Faux News/Rush GroupThink, although the term "think" is wasted on these folk.

Jamesaust 12 years, 7 months ago

Having been so harsh on this Administration's betrayal of American principle, its perhaps best to balance the books by defending it against the author's letter. The author seems wilfully obtuse or deceptive.

The letter is brief to the point of misleading the reader (which perhaps was the goal). The "Iraqi detainees" mentioned were certainly detainees and apparently Iraqis but given the context the implication is that they were the possessive object of the U.S. They were not. While a valid story (certainly it is more difficult to convince the Sunni to stop their insurrection if they believe they are to be set upon by a vengeful majority), it has little or nothing to do with the story more important to Americans, which is the treatment of detainees by U.S. forces.

Re the veto threat - don't hold your breath. W is not going to veto a defense authorization bill in the middle of a war. Can you imagine how that action would be hung around his neck? (Cut the floor out from under the troops. Abandoned the military on the field of battle.) Doubly so as it is clear that the votes are present to override his veto. Besides, Bush has threatened a veto before but backed down without so much as a whimper when Republicans turned against him. (Bush remains more than 5 years in without a single veto - translation: ANYTHING done in the last 5 years is his personal responsibility.)

The author is correct on a growing revelation of distrust that is now far past Democrats, largely conquered independents, and has made inroads into the GOP faithful. When the President says "we do not torture," he lies, and does so openly with the proof self-evident: why work so hard, so hopelessly, so embarrassingly, to defeat a statutory requirement not to torture?

kansasboy 12 years, 7 months ago

Yeah lets just give the detainees a big hug. Who says we need to be nice to these Hadjis' They are the ones cutting off the heads of every non-Iraqi, blowing themeselves up in the town squares for allah, and tortured civillians under Sadaam Hussein. So what if they don't eat. Why feed then to keep there streagnth up? So when they do get out ( about when we pull out ) they can continue the same practices as before? I say give them 1 glass of water and 1 MRE (leftovers) a day and kick them in the arse!

labmonkey 12 years, 7 months ago

Kansasboy, change your name because you help feed the stereotype of Kansans being ignorant.

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