Archive for Wednesday, May 7, 2003

O’Reilly’s attack on KU sex-ed class continues with help of former student

May 7, 2003


Bill O'Reilly continued his nationally televised attack on Kansas University's Dennis Dailey on Wednesday night, displaying what he said was "more evidence that a sex professor in Kansas is completely out of control."

O'Reilly, the host of Fox News' "The O'Reilly Factor," had as a guest a woman identified only as "Jennifer," who told O'Reilly that Dailey made sexual comments that made women feel uncomfortable and who indicated he didn't think having sex with children was wrong.

Wednesday night's show was the third time O'Reilly has dealt with Dailey, who teaches a human sexuality class that first came under fire in March when Kansas state Sen. Susan Wagle began her attempts to get KU to shut it down.

Dailey "has outraged the state Legislature so much that it attempted to cut off funds to the professor's department," O'Reilly said at the beginning of his segment. Gov. Kathleen Sebelius line-item vetoed that attempt.

"Ironically, this week the professor received a teaching excellence award," O'Reilly said, referring to the Del Shankel Teaching Excellence Award that Dailey received Monday at the Jayhawk Scholar Recognition Banquet for KU athletes.

"But other students tell a far different story," O'Reilly said. "They said Professor Dailey presents sexual material in a graphic and offensive way. And some of his theories are off the charts."

He introduced "Jennifer," who spoke to O'Reilly by satellite hookup from a Kansas City, Mo., television studio. Her face was kept in shadows.

Wagle, R-Wichita, had said earlier Wednesday that Jennifer was the author of one of the letters that Wagle had distributed on the Senate floor last week during debate on her latest efforts to shut down Dailey's sex ed class. During the show, Dailey had Jennifer repeat much of what she had written in the letter.

O'Reilly said he was protecting the identity of Jennifer, who took a class from Dailey about incest called "Interfamilial Sexual Abuse."

"It was designed, I guess, to train social workers and psychologists who would go on to become M.D.s to deal with this kind of a problem," O'Reilly said. "So it's a worthy class," O'Reilly said. "Now, what offended you about the class?"

Jennifer said the first day of class, they were told to "list all the different names that portrayed sex, the male and female body. In addition, Dr. Dailey told us he was very attracted to some of the women in the class. He talked about the breast size. He also stated that for the women to keep their legs close together because he liked looking up underneath their skirts."

O'Reilly wanted to know if Dailey would single out a woman and say he liked parts of her anatomy.

"He would do that, but I do not recall a specific person he did that to," Jennifer said.

O'Reilly asked her if Dailey had said some of the women in the class "aroused him, or whatever."

"Correct. Correct," Jennifer said.

O'Reilly asked how Dailey dealt with the concept of incest.

"Obviously, this class dealt with interfamilial sex. And, first of all, he talked about that, when he hugged his daughters, he liked to feel their tight bodies against his, that he ran around naked in his house. In addition, he talked about that it was society, it was law enforcement, it was social workers who made the child feel guilt and harmed them rather than the act itself," Jennifer said.

"So he was condoning incest, child molestation?" O'Reilly asked.

"He said that the pedophile or the father, mother, that was in their attraction template," Jennifer said. "...To me, it was condoning that act. He did not say it was wrong. He said it was in their attraction template, that it was society who was making it hard on the child, rather than the act itself."

O'Reilly responded, "That's pretty outrageous. You know, academic freedom is one thing. Condoning child molestation and incest is quite something else. What did you do?"

Jennifer said she was "appalled" and that she discussed what he said with some of the members of her class. She went to the associate dean at that time and expressed her discomfort about being in the class.

She told the official, "This behavior does not work in the business world. Why are you condoning this, why are you letting this happen? And this person stated that she would protect me, to go ahead and take the class, to finish it up, that she did not want it to affect my grade."

O'Reilly asked if the official planned to take action.

"No. It was all under the umbrella of academic freedom. To me, if you have academic freedom, you have responsibility to your students to teach them how to get along in the world," Jennifer said.

O'Reilly, in agreement, said "If you're advocating a crime, or justifying a crime, then you're over the line. This has been going on for quite some time at the University of Kansas with this professor. He's not subtle. He's notorious. Everybody knows about it, the dean, the chancellor and everybody else knows about it. They continue to say he is a responsible person. And how do you feel about that? This is your alma mater."

Jennifer said she won't let her own children go to KU and that she would not support KU in any way.

"I'm very disappointed, ashamed, of the state of Kansas for giving funding for any type of pornographic behavior and illegal behavior," she said.

O'Reilly said "the governor obviously doesn't have any intent to stop this guy from doing what he wants to do."

O'Reilly thanked Jennifer for coming on his show and explained that her identity had to be concealed to protect her, "because there are people in Kansas who want to continue to let this guy run wild, who do not like our reporting on it, so we do not want to get anybody in trouble."

O'Reilly promised to continue following the story, ending with "how much more evidence do you need?"

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