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More twists with recreation center project: KU Endowment now requiring city to pay for land; UPDATE Self's Foundation again planning donation to city

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Think of it like a buzzer beater, or more accurately, like three of them. The buzzer is about to sound on this more than year-long debate on whether the city should move ahead with a $25 million recreation center in northwest Lawrence.

City commissioners at their meeting on Tuesday will consider signing an agreement that moves the project toward a bid letting.

But before they do, three new twists and turns to this ever-changing proposal have come in just before the buzzer. Here’s a look:

• If you are like me and thought Kansas University Endowment was going to donate the 26 acres the city’s recreation center will sit upon, you were wrong.

City Manager David Corliss now has confirmed the city is set to pay KU Endowment $780,000 — or $30,000 an acre — for the site.

The $780,000 will be applied to the $25 million maximum price KU Endowment has guaranteed the city project to come in at. In other words, the fact KU Endowment is charging the city for the land won’t increase the maximum price the city will have to pay for the project. So, you’ll have to decide how much any of this matters. I’m not exactly sure at the moment why KU Endowment wants the land to be paid for rather than donated, but I’ve been told that because of the way the deal is structured with various LLCs and such that donating the land may be problematic from a legal or tax standpoint. But I don’t have firm details on that. If I get some, I’ll update this.

But the idea the city will have to buy the land does seem worth noting because one of the reasons the city is pursuing this project is because it believes it is getting a value. Yet, the city is now paying $780,000 for a 26-acre recreation site when it already owns a large site near Overland and Wakarusa drives, which the city long touted as an excellent site for a center. Some folks may be surprised that the city would pay for a new recreation center site when it already owns one.

I suspect a few people also may note that when the city was considering building the project on the west side of the South Lawrence Trafficway, it was proposed the city would receive a donation of 50 to 60 acres of land — from the Schwada family — that the city would own outright. That proposal didn’t call for the city to pay for the land.

Corliss said the $30,000 per acre the city will pay to KU Endowment is equal to what KU paid for the property. Again, the $780,000 doesn’t increase the maximum price the city will have to pay for the project. But it does increase the chances the check the city writes to KU Endowment will be bigger than it would have been otherwise.

• UPDATE: Well, count Bill Self and his Assists Foundation back in the game. I just talked with Erin Zimney, executive director of the Assists Foundation, and she said the organization is still very much planning on making a donation — likely in the $1 million range — to the city's recreation center. That was welcome news to city officials because on Thursday afternoon City Manager David Corliss told me the city no longer was planning on receiving a donation from the foundation. I had heard that same sentiment from other city officials in off-the-record conversations as well. Zimney said she's not quite sure why the city thought the donation was off the table, other than the city and the foundation had not talked about the possibility in recent months. The last public statement from the Assists Foundation was in March, when the project was still slated for property on the west side of SLT. "Our plan has always been to support a recreation center, if indeed it does happen," Zimney said. She said Self and his wife, Cindy, were both very excited about what a recreation center could provide for area youths. Zimney said the foundation likely would wait until after the city accepts a bid to build the recreation center — which likely would be in mid-April — before it formalized a donation to the city. Zimney said she did not think the foundation would be financially supporting the KU portion of Rock Chalk Park, although she said board members found that project to be exciting as well.

If you remember all the way back to November 2011, when the city was contemplating a $15 million center on land at Wakarusa and Overland drives, one of the driving forces was that KU Coach Bill Self’s Assists Foundation was prepared to make at least a $1 million donation to the project.

Well, Corliss now has confirmed to me that the city is no longer expecting that donation. This isn’t much of a surprise because the idea of a donation from the Assists Foundation hasn’t come up much recently at City Hall. Ever since the project grew and moved to the east side of the SLT, I had gotten the sense that the idea of a donation to the city was up in the air. But now we have a city official confirming it.

I’ve heard it is still possible that the Assists Foundation may make a donation to the project, but its money would go to KU Endowment. I haven’t yet chatted with the Assists Foundation, but I’ll attempt to do so and provide an update.

• You also may remember that one of the added benefits of having a recreation center that is much larger than a standard recreation center is that there would be room to house a “wellness center.”

Indeed, the 181,000-square-foot design has about 7,000 square feet for a wellness center. What it doesn’t have at this point is anybody to run it.

The assumption has been that Lawrence Memorial Hospital would operate a wellness center, although what exactly would be included in that center hasn’t been very well defined yet. But city officials have confirmed that LMH hasn’t made any commitment to be part of that wellness center, and is not likely to make a commitment before the city will bid this project.

In other words, the recreation center will include about 7,000 square feet of what the building industry calls “spec space.” It is still possible LMH will want to do the wellness center. I cover the LMH board and the subject has come up, but so far the board hasn’t engaged in a full-blown discussion about becoming involved in the project.

Various city officials told me the city always can request proposals from other health care companies that want to run a wellness center in the city.

That could get very interesting. There is speculation that KU Hospital would be a group interested in running a wellness center in the city. And who knows if other Kansas City or Topeka hospitals would be interested in the space as a way to better attract Lawrence patients to their hospitals.

The question becomes whether the city — which technically owns Lawrence Memorial Hospital — is really interested in allowing the city-owned recreation center to be used as a way for a potential LMH competitor to gain a toe-hold in the community?

Another option is the city could use the 7,000 square feet of space for additional recreational purposes. There already are groups that are looking to change the design of the center. A group of local handball and racquetball players have asked the city to consider building a couple of courts in the center. An even more unique proposal has come from horseshoe pitchers.

Apparently, indoor horseshoe pitching is becoming more popular, especially since the sport’s demographics are trending toward the older side these days. Many older pitchers no longer like to be out in the summer heat or winter’s cold to pitch in tournaments.

Now, if indoor horseshoe pitching gets added to the facility before Tuesday’s meeting, that truly will be a buzzer beater worthy of Sportscenter.

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Richard Heckler 1 year, 2 months ago

The birth of this fiasco began about here at least this is about when the public at large got wind of it. This is a high dollar PLAY concept make no bones about it. Does it ever stop? http://www.ci.lawrence.ks.us/currenttopics/PLAY/i_executive%20summary.pdf

PLAY Overview http://www.ci.lawrence.ks.us/currenttopics/PLAY/i_executive%20summary.pdf

PLAY Committee Members Kelly Barth, Mark Buhler, Dave Corliss, Fred DeVictor, Rick Gammill, Mike Grosdidier, Sue Hack, Paige Hofer, Bonnie Lowe, Pam Madl, Julie Manning, Scott Morgan(USD 497), Wayne Osness, Linda Robinson(USD 497), Bob Sanner, Ernie Shaw, Doug Stremel and Doug Vance.

The Mission Statement of PLAY http://www.ci.lawrence.ks.us/currenttopics/PLAY/i_executive%20summary.pdf

Background and Process http://www.ci.lawrence.ks.us/currenttopics/PLAY/i_executive%20summary.pdf

The first step in the needs assessment was to collect data from a variety of sources. Three methods were developed to collect data for this study. The design team has completed the following: http://www.ci.lawrence.ks.us/currenttopics/PLAY/i_executive%20summary.pdf

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Richard Heckler 1 year, 2 months ago

In a civilized manner let YOUR commissioners know!

Mayor Bob Schumm schummfoods@gmail.com Home (785) 842-6729 Work (785) 842-7337

Vice Mayor Michael Dever mdever@sunflower.com (785) 550-4909

Commissioner Hugh Carter hughcarter@sunflower.com (785) 764-3362

Commissioner Mike Amyx mikeamyx515@hotmail.com Home (785) 843-3089 Work (785) 842-9425

Commissioner Aron E. Cromwell aroncromwell@gmail.com (785) 749-6020

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jhawk1998 1 year, 2 months ago

The City should not be buying land when there is city-owned or potential donated land available. Furthermore if the idea is to provide recreational facilities to those on the west side of town that can't afford gym memberships then building it out in the country does not serve that population. Stop the bs and call it what it is. Then let the voters decide.

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Richard Heckler 1 year, 2 months ago

“I have done a lot of feasibility studies on that stuff,” Beckner said. “You have to be real serious to make it work. Every event out there is contested at this point, and by several groups. And there is not a lot of money in it to begin with. You have to have the hotel and restaurant space to make it work.”

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Richard Heckler 1 year, 2 months ago

The city’s largest neighborhood group is now officially calling for a citywide election on the project and is expressing concerns that the proposed bidding process won’t adequately protect the public.

Board members of the Lawrence Association of Neighborhoods unanimously agreed to submit comments expressing concern about the proposed process to build a regional recreation center as part of a public-private sports park just north of the northeast intersection of Sixth Street and the South Lawrence Trafficway.

“As we see it, the project as proposed falls far short of the desired standard of public bidding and cost certification,” Laura Routh, the newly elected president of LAN told me this morning. “Under the conditions outlined thus far, we have no assurance that taxpayers will get full value for their money.”

LAN also took the position that a citywide election on the project should be held, “given the magnitude of the project and the resulting long-term debt to be incurred by taxpayers.”

http://www2.ljworld.com/weblogs/town_talk/2013/jan/4/lawrence-association-of-neighborhoods-ca/

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reality_check79 1 year, 2 months ago

It seems not one if these idiots has a clue as to what's going on!!! Why the rush?? Why has this changed for the 30th time?? Seems like someone is pushing this through as fast as possible and something doesn't add up here!!! Scrap the whole plan and go back and draw this up without all of the rush...

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SouthernMan 1 year, 2 months ago

Incredibly weak mayor and even weaker city administrator. This deal should've been done months ago. Any wonder why nothing gets done in this community?

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Richard Heckler 1 year, 2 months ago

This has been smelling like a bailout I do declare. Kinda like the previous USD 497 BOE did for Steve Glass if my memory serves me well on 75 acres of unimproved land. Pasture and farm land @23,000 tax $$$$$$ per acre.

If voters support incumbents,a former city commissioner and anyone who would think like this... it's saying this is okay let's do it some more.

Isn't odd we're always told it's the lower income neighborhood children that need this type of access yet it is 10-12 miles away from those who most need it?

Pull the plug!

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Hudson Luce 1 year, 2 months ago

This, exactly: "What the commission needs to do is: 1. All five unanimously vote to not pursue a city rec center. Pull the plug, revive the issue in two years. 2. Spend the next two years in cleaning the town. Alley improvements, gap sidewalk improvements throughout the entire city."

If you look at East Lawrence and North Lawrence, and the existing neighborhoods east of Iowa Street, there's easily $25 million in infrastructure upgrades and repairs which need to be done. It's a foolish waste of money to spend it on still yet another recreational center, we need to fix and upgrade what we already have, rather than go into debt building new facilities and letting what we have now fall into disrepair and ruin.

If land developers want a recreational facility in order to enhance the saleability of their projects, they should build them as part of their project as a dedication to the city along with other needed infrastructure.

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oneeye_wilbur 1 year, 2 months ago

KUEA claims they didn't get donations for the land? What's the skinny behind that?

I am not interested in bailing out KUEA because they bought land. Wilbur is. Beginning to se something with one eye and that is a vision of the inter generational village very, very near these land parcels.

Oops, just smelled burning eggs...nope, it is the stink of KUEA and the city sweating behind closed doors to fleece the public better than Culture Farm and the Mustard Heir ever did.

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fedupwithliberals 1 year, 2 months ago

i've lived here for my life and feel like i have to say a few words. basically like all working people i'm tired of the so called progressives standing in the way of everything in this town. a good example is the bypass. that road would help a lot of people and make life a lot easier and it should have been done 20 years ago but the liberals have obstructed it all along. they lie and tell us there is some rare lizard or frog there or lie and tell us that the indians pray down there in a man made swamp. the truth is that that land wasnt a swamp and the indians never had anything to do with it until now. they never owned it or even used it. so its the same with this rec center. a guy like fritzel comes along and is willing to take a loss to build it for the good of the city. ku is offering all kinds of incentives to be a good neighbor to the city. but lawrence is a tough place to get anything done and like it was said above if the real details were released all at once the liberals still wouldnt be happy. also like it was said our kids are really getting heavy and how else are they going to stay in shape without sports? not everyone can afford a gym membership. most of all think about the money the city will bring in if there are tornaments held here. its time the normal people in lawrence stand up and make their voices heard.

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KEITHMILES05 1 year, 2 months ago

I've stopped contributing to the Assists Foundation as it doesn't support state wide projects. The only beneficairies have been KCK and Lawrence. The rest of the state gets nothing.

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leftylucky 1 year, 2 months ago

Turn the endowment into the IRS . Form 13909 . in the Kansas business entity database Ku endowment id number is 0237305 Kansas athletics id number 0338327 Assists foundation id number 3990926 Take away the tax exempt status of these non profits.

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oneeye_wilbur 1 year, 2 months ago

kUEA, the Fritzels, Stewarts, Bill Self, The City of Lawrence, the five commissioners, do not have the " class" that the Petersons had (recent donors to KU)""

The parties mentioned above did not survive the The Great Depression , nor have they experienced poverty and instead have allowed themselves to become the poster children of negative publicity and an example wealthy publicity hounds.

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oneeye_wilbur 1 year, 2 months ago

Wilbur doesn't believe Bill Self had a PLAzn for his gesture, but his new found wealth is more like a lottery winner shooting craps.

Bill Self could have done this on his own, but a bunch of social wannabes wanted to jump on his bandwagon and be associated with him.

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friendlyjhawk 1 year, 2 months ago

Lawrence doesn't need every idea that pops into a commissioner's or KU staff member's head. Lets not send money for once and enjoy that feeling. What started a gesture from Bill Self has become a burden for the tax payers.

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Catalano 1 year, 2 months ago

Hmmm. Seems the city forgot to add the "enclosure" when posting correspondence from the National Parks and Recreation Association today:

http://www.lawrenceks.org/assets/agendas/cc/2013/02-19-13/nrpa_ltr_city_mgr.pdf

I think "enclosures" count as part of the public record, don't you?

Looking forward to Chad's article.

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toe 1 year, 2 months ago

Twist. Hardly. Normal in Lawrence to ask the taxpayers to pay for a development. Since there are so few taxpayers, it always gets approved. Good job, KU. Your getting with the program.

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Richard Heckler 1 year, 2 months ago

The million from the Self family changes nothing regarding this ever changing transaction.

I would appreciate the Self family donation go to the East Lawrence Hike and Bike trail that connects to the River Levy specifically designed by Mike Myers. The west side has plenty of neighborhood trails.

That said there are still more than $30 million tax dollars involved and the questionable process in general.

"City Manager David Corliss now has confirmed the city is set to pay KU Endowment $780,000 — or $30,000 an acre — for the site."

Again who that made that decision? Which city commissioners are pushing this nonsense?

What financial commitments have been made and signed off on? Why was this done? If it was done. This is no way to do business.

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Matthew Herbert 1 year, 2 months ago

What an embarassment to our city that we have an elected commission that is still even considering this proposal.

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MichaelARost 1 year, 2 months ago

I signed the petition and believe this project should be subject to a full public vetting process which includes a referendum.

I find it deeply troubling that even at this late date many in city government do not appear to know exactly what is going on. It's a lot of money to commit to a project when no one seems to understand all the details.

MichaelRost2013@gmail.com

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rhhays 1 year, 2 months ago

First and foremost, this project should have gone to the residents of Lawrence for a vote. That would have enabled us to ensure the majority of the citizens want it, provide their buy in, and provide an idea of the number of people who want to use the new rec center.

Since it does not look like the residents are going to be given an option to vote for this project, the City Commission needs to require the entire project's plans and contracts to be made public, so the residents of Lawrence can review the entire project and then be able to provide their Commissioners with input on how they would like to see this project implemented. It is essential for a City Commissioner to enable their constituents to become informed about every aspect of a project their city is involved in. This is done by complete transparency of the entire project.

If elected to the City Commission, I pledge to be committed to transparency so my fellow residents can review the entire project as a whole to provide me their opinion as to whether the city should go forward with a project. Then I pledge to advocate for that opinion.

Representative government is based upon the idea that those who are being represented can become informed about their government’s proposed activities so they can then convey their informed opinions to those who they have entrusted to represent them in government, their elected officials.

If you would like to find out more about my thoughts about being a Lawrence Commissioner, please “Like” my Facebook page at: https://www.facebook.com/HaysForCommissioner and go to my website at: http://www.reesehays.com

Reese Hays, Candidate for Lawrence City Commission

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Jayhawks64 1 year, 2 months ago

Chad,

• If you are like me and thought Kansas University Endowment was going to donate the 26 acres the city’s recreation center will sit upon, you were wrong

Please be specific: What made you think KUEA was donating the land?

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Richard Heckler 1 year, 2 months ago

There are plenty of opportunities for parents and children to get exercise in Lawrence,Kansas. It's getting some parents to do their job that's lacking.

It was safe for Amyx to vote no just before the election. There were four other votes to keep pushing no matter what. He has never pushed for a vote on this matter.

Keeping the same faces around changes nothing and Mike has been a commissioner for a total of about 20 years. Amyx with Dever and Schumm = more of the same

I say Rost - Soden - Criqui with Dever and Schumm will provide a better opportunity for some change. I prefer 3 new faces to any incumbent.

Yes put this matter up for a vote.

I say what is lacking is an opportunity for Vo-Tech training without driving for 30-45 minutes = $10-$15 in gas round trip.

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Keith Richards 1 year, 2 months ago

Amyx tiptoes every issue so he can appear to be on the voters side. Where are his comments against the rec center?

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oneeye_wilbur 1 year, 2 months ago

I am not certain even mr amyxs vocal effort against this holds worth. He was one who shoved through recycling. In my opinion.mmike is paying his ACE to get votes.

Why doesn't Bill Self buy the land and donate it.

With the details of East Hills business park never revealed after some 25 years now, is this current public/ private venture any surprise?

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irvan moore 1 year, 2 months ago

i agree, mr. amyx has been an advocate for the citizens

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bmoody51 1 year, 2 months ago

Please do not refer to the City Commission in total. One Commissioner, Mike Amyx, has voted against this project since its inception.

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Pastor_Bedtime 1 year, 2 months ago

Shady developers with sketchy backgrounds, shadowy behind-the-scenes deals and no disclosure until it's a done deal. What's not to like about this?

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Clark Coan 1 year, 2 months ago

We really should have a right to a referendum on this. It would probably be approved by voters but let the voters decide! I already advance-voted for Amyz, Soden and Criqui.I bet they would put it up for a vote.

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Joe Hyde 1 year, 2 months ago

So much smoke. So many mirrors. So many different looks as the terrain closes in. This is a box canyon ambush that Lawrence taxpayers are getting stampeded into. How can KU Endowment guarantee that the city taxpayer portion of this combo project won't exceed $25 million...when solicitation for bids have not yet been advertised on the open market?

Sounds to me like KUEA hopes the sale of those 26 acres will appear normal and legitimate in order to help ward off an NCAA investigation (among other worries). An investigation which could, if things were to go totally haywire, result in the NCAA hitting KU athletics with the "death penalty".

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57chevy 1 year, 2 months ago

Sounds like I am the last supporter of the rec center that reads the LJ world. Let me just state that I wholeheartedly agree that the city commission couldn't have done a worse job getting the rec center approved and built. But lets blame the commissioners for this and replace them at the next available election rather than scuttling a critically important addition to Lawrence. The biggest health problem facing the US and coming faster than we are ready for in our children is obesity and lethargy. Anything we can do to encourage some form of athletics is crucial. A rec center will do just that. If it gets a dozen kids to be more active and prevents them from developing adult-onset diabetes and all the other complications of being fat and lazy, then it is worth it. I expect it to do even more to promote health. If it does, It will actually save money in the long run. Clearly, the financial arrangements need to be carefully scrutinized and, if somebody is screwing the city, lets throw them in jail. But, lets not punish the children and young adults of Lawrence for the impompetence of the City commission or the greed of local developers.

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Richard Heckler 1 year, 2 months ago

"City Manager David Corliss now has confirmed the city is set to pay KU Endowment $780,000 — or $30,000 an acre — for the site."

Who made that decision? Which city commissioners are behind this nonsense?

This project has been deemed fiscally reckless = time to pull it from the agenda and pull the plug.

What financial commitments have been made and signed off on? Why was this done? This is no way to do business.

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Richard Heckler 1 year, 2 months ago

I would say City Hall build a $30 million $$$$$$ Vo Tech campus that could be supported with student fees 24/7. Allow the management to be USD 497. This is far better use of those 1994 sales tax dollars.

Students graduate with the fundamentals of how to support oneself instead of damaged bodies that increase the cost of health care.

I have read recently that corporations are looking for VoTech grads and those with 2 year degrees as well. So the story went is this type of education is valued at a salary of $64,000 whereas a high school diploma brings about 35,000 - 42,000k.

Taxpayers get results with new small business ventures thus more employment.

I vote higher education over a field house. Higher education has been worth lots of $$$$$$$ to Lawrence,Kansas

Pull the plug on the Field House!!! More speculation than substance = risky investment.

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Budgets_Smudgets 1 year, 2 months ago

Paying anything to KU Endowment (or whatever entity...RCP, is involved) is a payment to the Fritzel familty. The City of Lawrence is transferring public money to a private family. And to a privately owned family controlled sports center, which will be controlled by a lease agreement that Not One Single Person has yet seen.

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Richard Heckler 1 year, 2 months ago

Taxpayer may have paid that price on Overland Park however that is no justification for paying premium prices again. THAT IS NUTS.

These type of projects increase the value to property surrounding a project which is why the real estate industry should be setting aside land at no cost to taxpayers. Not only does it increase value it also makes the surrounding properties easier to sell ........ can we say more attractive!

City hall needs to get off the corporate welfare bandwagon.

Pull the plug. Taxpayers have NEVER had the complete picture nor have WE ever had accurate numbers.

If the project goes over estimates does anyone believe taxpayers WILL NOT get duped again?

Time to pull the plug!!!

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Richard Heckler 1 year, 2 months ago

"City Manager David Corliss now has confirmed the city is set to pay KU Endowment $780,000 — or $30,000 an acre — for the site.

Corliss said the $30,000 per acre the city will pay to KU Endowment is equal to what KU paid for the property"

$30,000 per acre for unimproved property is NOT a bargain. Simply because KU paid that price does not make it a smart buy nor a bargain.

$30,000 an acre is " boom town economics" and inflationary on top of that. Remember when USD 497 paid $23,000 an acre for 75 acres? Is it any wonder land owners love to see taxpayers dollars come running to bail them out of a reckless purchase that was bought when the Bush/Cheney bankers were financing just about anything with a bit of fraud attached to it.

NO IS THE ANSWER --- go use land WE TAXPAYERS OWN NOW!

Put this matter to a vote!!!!!!

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Liberal 1 year, 2 months ago

The price for that land is a bargain.

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Catalano 1 year, 2 months ago

This is just contributing to making Lawrence a very dark spiritual place.

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Keith Richards 1 year, 2 months ago

I was for this rec center, but things are beyond shady at point. There is a concerted effort to leak every single negative aspect of this little by little so the public has no idea which end is up.

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Steve Jacob 1 year, 2 months ago

Gets worse and worse as the days go by, and that's before a shovel has moved a speck of dirt.

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lunacydetector 1 year, 2 months ago

the assists foundation was the original driving force behind this recruiting mecca....why did they bug out and when did they do it? If bill self isn't going to be a part of this, then the city should drop the whole thing.

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Catalano 1 year, 2 months ago

Chad...what was the cost per acre of the land purchased at Overland and Wakarusa? And how many acres is that? That's a critical piece of info we need. Thanks.

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pizzapete 1 year, 2 months ago

Prime farm land goes for about $4,000 an acre and I'm not even sure this land would be considered good farmland. Sure after the city invests $75 million putting in new roads, sewers, traffic lights, etc., it could be worth $30,000 an acre, but why in the heck should we be paying full price for the land if we're the ones paying for all the infrastructure needed to make this land so valuable or even useable?

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leftylucky 1 year, 2 months ago

Maybe the city should charge 2 million a year for the environmental damage to baldwin creek park and drainage rights .

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Richard Heckler 1 year, 2 months ago

This city memo indicates the cost coming in at 32 million $$$$$$$ http://www.ci.lawrence.ks.us/assets/agendas/cc/2013/02-19-13/rcp_staff_memo.html

Is this number before or after "these new twists"?

How can the city vote on this matter? This memo implies the CC may vote this Tuesday.

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lawrencechick 1 year, 2 months ago

Once again, can we please get back to building the original West Lawrence rec center. If we have all this extra money, build another outdoor pool which is a guaranteed success. Anything else should be a private venture.

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jack22 1 year, 2 months ago

But Fritzel said he was doing this becasue he loved us and now he wants us to give the flowers and ring back?

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mdlund0 1 year, 2 months ago

It would seem that we have lots of carts and no horses. KU endowment already bought the land, so it would seem that the city has some arm twisting that it could do here: Donate the land or we're out and the utilities are on you. Also, "Spec Space" with no tenant before a decision is made? Seems a bit dangerous.

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Bob Forer 1 year, 2 months ago

This project is getting more outrageous by the minute. The current City Commission's arrogance in continuing their efforts to "push" this project through is appalling.

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Keith 1 year, 2 months ago

Smoke and effin mirrors all the way down. And yet our bought and paid for commissioners will make sure this gets done before the upcoming elections so there's really nothing we can do about it.

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irvan moore 1 year, 2 months ago

a week before voting to approve the taxpayers are made aware of more changes to what we were led to expect, mr. corliss and the city commission really need to stop and get all the details out in the open. honesty and openness in government is important, i'm going to go out on a limb here and say i believe mayor schumm is an honest man and will call a halt to this project and go back and start over, hopefully i am correct

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deec 1 year, 2 months ago

This thing has been a scam from the get-go, and it just gets dirtier and dirtier.

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Pepe 1 year, 2 months ago

Just when you thought it couldn't get any worse of a deal for the city, this comes along. Please commissioners, don't do this.

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Phil Minkin 1 year, 2 months ago

More shoes have dropped on this project than an octopus with a Nike contract. Every week or so, some new detail dribbles out. It is time to say NO until the public really knows all the details of this murky project and not wait until it's underway .

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Stop_the_Madness 1 year, 2 months ago

It sounds like the value of the improvements to the land have been reduced by $780,000.

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