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New Mizzou shirts invoke image of Quantrill's Raid

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First, KU fans wore "Muck Fizzou" T-shirts as a thinly veiled attempt to speak their minds about the collegiate rival.Now, some Missouri fans are fighting back with a T-shirt of their own, as the two teams prepare for a Nov. 24 football matchup at Arrowhead Stadium, with the winner likely taking the Big 12 North.[This post on AOL Sports][1] shows the new Mizzou T-shirts, which show Lawrence burning to the ground after the famous Civil War-era attack by William Quantrill.Under the picture is the word "Scoreboard," and under that is the Missouri Tiger logo. On the back, according to the post, is Quantrill's slogan: "Raise the black flag and ride hard, boys. Our cause is just and our enemies many."Author Nathan Fowler writes: "You can have your Ohio State v. Michigan or Alabama v. Auburn, but the last time I checked nobody from Columbus ever went to Ann Arbor and systematically executed every man they could find while burning the town to the ground. And certainly nobody made t-shirts later celebrating that fact."Fowler also notes a new KU shirt on the market, as KU officials and some student groups are trying to get students to stop wearing the "Muck Fizzou" shirts.The new shirts show a picture of abolitionist John Brown, with the words: "Kansas: Keeping America safe from Missouri since 1854." [1]: http://sports.aol.com/fanhouse/2007/11/12/we-burned-your-town-to-the-ground/

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Crossfire 7 years ago

Anybody been out to Quantrill Acres, just east of Pleasant Grove?

mom_of_three 7 years ago

Both of the new shirts are just as offensive.

1029 7 years ago

"Our cause is just and our enemies many" ? Um, so I take it Missouri wants to bring back slavery and kill everyone who gets in their way? No college kid would wear such an insensitive t-shirt, right? College kids are supposed to be smarter than that, right? They should be leading the way in helping to distance their state from such an ugly and embarrassing past. As long as Missourians continue to display their backwards ideology on t-shirts, the Missouri jokes around the rest of the country will continue. Think, Missouri. Think.

Thats_messed_up 7 years ago

Does this T-Shirt mean they're going to finally build the SLT?

nobody1793 7 years ago

I wonder how the African American student athletes at MU feel about the MU fans in blackface I saw on TV last week.

4chewnut 7 years ago

The MU shirt is crass. I like the KU one. How is the KU shirt offensive "Mom"?

OldEnuf2BYurDad 7 years ago

Wow. "Insensitive" doesn't even begin to describe this. MU's chancellor is going to have to speak out against this, strongly.

mom_of_three 7 years ago

John Brown and his men committed murder and theft to advance the anti-slavery cause (and several were committed in Kansas). Most historians agree John Brown would look for any excuse to start a fight with pro-slavery forces, when the leaders of the territory wanted to keep things peaceful (because Kansans were outnumbered).
The shirt also makes it sound like Brown was only here to "protect us" from Missouri. He wasn't here to protect anybody. He didn't just hate Missouri - he hated everyone who didn't think EXACTLY like he did.
His reasons were right, but his methods were SO wrong.

igby 7 years ago

OldEnuf2BYurDad: MU's chancellor has as much controll of these shirts as KU's chancellor has over the "Muck Mizzou" Tee"s".

Oh by the way, these colleges are still refering to their president as "Chancellor", Lol, was'nt the term chancellor a reference to Hitlers rise to power prior to Nazi Germany.

Chancellor, however, is a nututered old school reference and should be abolished with slavery.

JayhawkBlk 7 years ago

Wow that shirt is quite tastless. Just becasue of the message behind the image not so much the image it self. I would suspect that they chose this just becasue it depicts Lawrence going down in flames and it was by the hands of Missourians. I would like to think that college students would have a bit more tact. But all an all it is just a tee shirt

blindrabbit 7 years ago

Hey, I've wondered for many years the same issue that Scenebooster brought up; why would Black athletes attend schools of state sponsored institutions (Missouri) that were so instrumental in their repression just a few generations ago. Is there any doubt that those issues are not still burning in the old Show-Me State. That is not to say that all is right here in Lawrence and The University of Kansas as far as race relations are concerned; but at least Kansas has moved in the correct direction.

KEITHMILES05 7 years ago

I love this t-shirt at this website. It will be up and running to take orders this evening. JAYHAWKERSTEE.COM

If you want to order more Muck Fizzou go to CAFEPRESS.COM and type in "Jayhawks."

scary_manilow 7 years ago

I honestly can't wait for an organized gang of enraged Mizzou fans to ride into downtown, torching everything in site. I've got the marshmallows all ready.

EXks 7 years ago

yellow = cowards. How appropriate

mom_of_three 7 years ago

b3 - image is everything. Missouri's shirt is promoting a violent situation that happened 150 years ago. The shirt with John Brown isn't much better.

cs1234 7 years ago

Looks like MU fans were just trying to be clever with a t-shirt and ran out of ideas

Bookie 7 years ago

Not a bit surprised their tshirt is tasteless. Consider the source.

mizzu 7 years ago

Missouri is going to slaughter, ahem, I mean annihilate Kansas come November 24. I can hear the chants already.....over-rated over-rated over-rated.

the_crowd_goes_wild 7 years ago

Just because Lew decided to make it "prettier" by calling it the Border Showdown, doesn't negate the fact of what it truly is: A War. As a sign I once saw put it: "It's not a Showdown, it's a War. And they started it!" ... It seems like they want to start it again with this shirt!

moo 7 years ago

igby, the term chancellor was used in Germany long before Hitler and has continued to be used afterwards as well. The German term, "kanzler," originally referred to the head of the chapel of the imperial palace, then later in the German empire it was the name for the Emporer's second in command. Hitler was appointed Chancellor in 1933, effectively making him second in command to President Hindenburg. When Hindenburg died a year later, he took over, calling himself Führer und Reichskanzler, or Leader and Chancellor of the Reich. Today the term Kanzler is still used for the German head of state, but it is currently Bundeskanzler, or federal chancellor, no longer Reichskanzler. So Hitler did hold the title of chancellor, but the title is in no way a response to his rise to power. I seriously doubt any colleges considered it as such.

The shirt is stupid and tasteless, but who cares, it's just football. Muck Fizzou is dumb too. At least it isn't racist, but it also isn't the least bit creative or clever. Come on college kids, put your educations to good use and think up some really smart insults to print on t-shirts!

Shardwurm 7 years ago

Actually this is pretty funny.

You political correctness people crack me up.

In case you forgot, 'Jayhawk' was used to refer to the 'Red Legs' from Kansas who were just as bad as Quantrill at his worst. They plundered and burned most of the western counties of Missouri and had wagon trains full of loot they brought back to Kansas, leaving innocent Missouri families to suffer. (See the infamous 'Order Number 7' for clarification)

Your school's mascot has it's ties to a bloody and horrible dispute fought right here and you're condemning Quantrill T-Shirts?!?

Remarkable.

Shardwurm 7 years ago

Here's a quote from Wikpedia which seems to be pretty accurate:

"Well-known jayhawkers include Jim Lane and Charles "Doc" Jennison. Jennison's vicious raids into Missouri were thorough and indiscriminate, and left five counties in western Missouri wasted, save for the standing brick chimneys of the two-storey period houses, which are still called "Jennison Monuments" in the areas. Lane and his band of militants wore red gaiters, earning them the nickname "Redlegs", or "Redleggers". This moniker was often used interchangably with the term "jayhawkers," although it was sometimes used to refer specifically to jayhawkers who refused to join units officially sanctioned by the U.S. Army. Guerrillas on both sides of the Missouri-Kansas border achieved some measure of legitimacy through sanction from the Federal and Confederate governments, and the bands who scorned such sanction were typically even more vicious and indiscriminate in their methods than their bureaucratically recognized counterparts. Even within Kansas, the jayhawkers were not always popular because, in the absence of federal support, they supplied themselves by stealing horses and supplies from farmers.

Jayhawker bands waged numerous invasions of Missouri and also committed some of the most notorious atrocities of the Civil War, including the Lane-led massacre at Osceola, Missouri, in which the entire town was set aflame and at least 9 of the male residents killed. The sacking of Osceola inspired the 1976 film The Outlaw Josey Wales, directed by and starring Clint Eastwood. Jayhawkers also were accused of engineering the collapse of a jail in Kansas City in which female relatives of bushwhackers were incarcerated by Union sympathizers because of their connection to pro-Confederate guerrillas. These two incidents were prior to the Lawrence Massacre in Lawrence, Kansas, led by William Quantrill and his band of bushwhackers."

So how proud are you of your 'JAYHAWK' nickname now?

TriSigmaKS 7 years ago

No class is right, I am really getting sick of how Missouri fans are attacking KU. I appreciate so far how KU fans have kept their heads high. Why? Because we really don't CARE about Missouri, we are respectable fans who are proud of our team.

That shirt is seriously offensive due to the educational notes that others have written. I don't particularly like the Muck Fizzou shirts either, I'd rather not mention them in any manner on a shirt I own, but dropping to this level of childish behavior is getting out of control.

I'm just going to stay a great fan with my head up and my Rock Chalk shirts :) Blue out, that's the way to go.

whatupdown 7 years ago

Dammm Prouddd, slavery had to be stoped at any cost. Both sides took horses and so on, but we did not steal people for slaves!

Kuku_Kansas 7 years ago

Shardwurm--

Does this mean that Jayhawkers actually have more raids than Mizzou??

Take that Mizzou! Scoreboard!!!!!

mom_of_three 7 years ago

can't trust wikipedia......learned that on the first day of college...

Actually, the jayhawk mascot has nothing to do with the civil war era "jayhawkers"

and a Civil war era jayhawker could be from Missouri, too.
"a plundering marauder, esp. one of the antislavery guerrillas in Kansas, Missouri, and other border states before and during the Civil War."

mom_of_three 7 years ago

Of course, the city of Osawatomie site totally disagrees with all of the above stories....

Shardwurm 7 years ago

Well mom_of_three I used Wikpedia after I read it and it coincided with what I know of the era. This is the result of 15 years of study. I suggest you read the book

The Devil Knows How to Ride by Ed Leslie. I had the honor of interviewing him a while back. Very knowledgable.

http://www.amazon.com/Devil-Knows-How-Ride-Confederate/dp/030680865X

I did make one mistake - it was Order #11 not Order #7.

Saying 'Jayhawker' from the Civil War has nothing to do with the Kansas nickname is naive at best. Sorry...the origins of the word are connected with a bunch of murderers and thieves - no matter what side of the border they came from.

That would be like calling yourself the 'Kansas NAZIs' and saying the word stands for National Zingerbees and not National Socialism.

You can't separate it.

S0uPnAzi 7 years ago

You know, this is low even by Missouri's standards. This shirt should not be allowed in the stadium. Just for equal time's sake, I'm not a huge fan of the "Muck Fizzou" t-shirts either, and I agree with some of the commenters that previously posted, I don't know that I'd hold John Brown up as some "saviour" of Kansas and Kansans from Missourians. He was officially crazy, and some of the lengths to which he went to cause harm to the pro-slavery crowd was pretty well criminal. I will say this, though...this shirt should be good locker room material, and K.U. will do their talking out on the field!

StirrrThePot 7 years ago

People, these are Mizzou fans we are talking about--the most self-loathing fanbase known to man. They don't even like Mizzou as much as they hate Kansas, so is anyone really surprised by this?

There is a good chance their football team may win the Big 12 and get a BCS bowl. Do you really think they will relish in this as much as they will beating Kansas to get there (not saying they will beat KU, but they could)? Seriously, if KU wins that game, they will consider their season a complete failure even though it is the best one they've had in years. If you look at sports forums around the internet, all you see is Mizzou fans complaining about the press KU is getting for being undefeated. It really pisses them off--they're not even talking about their own team most of the time.

So let them enjoy their classless shirt, it is really all they have. Be happy you are not one of them.

Armen Kurdian 7 years ago

I think we should fight the Civil War all over again and have Ken Burns do another documentary.

nobody1793 7 years ago

I'd prefer a T-shirt that says "KU, Big XII Champs, 2007" I'll let Ken Burns worry about all that other stuff.

StirrrThePot 7 years ago

"I'd prefer a T-shirt that says "KU, Big XII Champs, 2007" I'll let Ken Burns worry about all that other stuff."

Well done! And amen to that.

kneejerkreaction 7 years ago

It's only a t-shirt supporting Quantrill, ie, pro slavery.

Well, it's about 100 years from now until Mizzou students think that they can make similar shirts for the Holocaust. After all, isn't 150 years enough to get over anything?

Oh boy, oh boy. This is bad taste inside of bad taste. Really shows off the class of the school, huh?

mom_of_three 7 years ago

I have and am studying it. The origins of the word depend on what authority you use. (and I will never read that book because I don't like blood and gore and violence).
Missourians can argue all of you want.
But both shirts are class-less, one a little more than the other.

dirkleisure 7 years ago

I cannot think of a classier statement than Keeping America Safe From Missouri.

I we don't who will? If you don't love Kansas and don't support us in our struggle against Missouri, then you don't love America. Or freedom.

That's what the Rock Chalk Chant really is, isn't it? The sound of freedom.

mom_of_three 7 years ago

There were other shirts in the contest sponsored by the UDK. Hopefully, those will be more popular than John Brown on a shirt.

jeanbean 7 years ago

While the historical origins of the Jayhawk name are undoubtedly linked to violence, as far as I've seen, there aren't a lot of people running around KU with detailed illustrations of violent events (where many people died!) on their clothing. There's no question that students at KU (and many other schools) wear crude and offensive stuff making fun of rivals; no one can claim they're not guilty of that. But... it doesn't change that regardless of who you're a fan of or where you're from- this one's just tasteless and kind of ignorant.

spenmar 7 years ago

Once Again.....Missouri Shows What A Low Class State They Are.

Good will triumph over Evil!!!

Missouri 5 Million People......6 Last Names

Brendon Allen 7 years ago

Ok #1 if you add up all the other raids across the border it would not even be close to quantrill. 185-200 people killed, every 4 building burned, people taken out of bed and shot. Such a just cause! Brown killed 5 in lawrence. Both shirts suck but are not comparable. #2 if quantrill was around today (and brown for that matter) he would be in gitmo. Glad this will be such a big national game and the nation can laugh at both states and wait for their departure from the scene as quickly as it started. It is great though that MU has their best season ever and it is overshadowed by KU. To me that is just perfect. If one wants a shirt based on a more recent historical event (less controversial with video proof!) I think I am going to print a few of these http://www.flickr.com/photos/20682534@N04/2005612782/ to pay homage to one of the best booger eaters of recent time.

chuckschick 7 years ago

The only people wearing these stupid shirts are the Internet geeks from phog.net and tigerboard.com.

spenmar 7 years ago

Missouri Pro Slavery T-Shirt Trash Talking Mizzou Fans.....KEEP TALKING TRASH.

Low Class = Missouri

The "show me" state? Is that how they all became inbred?

Show me your rocks for brains.......cap gun shooting.....

GO WILDCATS....KILL THE TIGERS THIS SAT!!!!!!!!!!!!

MU will LOSE TO KSU THIS WEEKEND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ericinoz 7 years ago

Does this really shock anyone from Lawrence or anyone anywhere that doesn't make it a common practice to marry members of your immediate family. I'm sure the creators of this shirt gather on weekends in their white sheets and talk about the good ole days in Missouri when they would round up various minorities and hang them from the nearest tree. What other kind of person would choose to use this image? So the creators are either hate mongers or total idiots but I forget these are University of Missouri fans.

Linda Aikins 7 years ago

Ooooo Mizzou fans, this t-shirt really scares me.....I'm shaking in my boots......NOT

yankeelady 7 years ago

When talking about Missouri's finest don't forget Bloody Bill Anderson. At Centralia he and his men (who all rode with Quantrill from time to time) took unarmed Union men off of a train and slaughtered them. The guerrillas always liked unarmed opponents, civilians, etc. It made things so much safer and easier. The thing I find most surprising is that someone in Missouri actually knows some history. I didn't think they were real big on book learnin over there.

mom_of_three 7 years ago

Quantrill's raid was in 1863. Brown was hanged in December, 1859.
Brown killed 5 supposedly pro-slavery settlers in Pottawatomie, Kansas in May, 1856, after raiders sacked Lawrence and destroyed the newspapers. I don't believe anyone was killed then - just trying to put the anti-slavery and free staters out of business, but it obviously didn't work.
Just a little historical background.

Mangino_saurus 7 years ago

where can I get one of those Mizzou shirts - I need XXXXXXL though...

such pitty that we are about to see a really good team and an over-rated one play in Arrowhead stadium and you guys are talking about T-shirts. This stuff is history, move on. You don't see the Haskell nation getting all p.o.'ed at Lawrence because the white man lead to the demise of the Indian population??? So much for living in harmony...

When this is all said and done, we should thank KU for taking the attention away form MU this year, allowing them to concentrate on football and win the Big 12 North - Rock-Chalk-Choke chicken hawks!

OldEnuf2BYurDad 7 years ago

"OldEnuf2BYurDad: MU's chancellor has as much controll of these shirts as KU's chancellor has over the "Muck Mizzou" Tee"s"."

Yeah... Which is why I said "speak out against" instead of "stop it". Leadership is not always about control, it's also about influence and example. To sit and pretend that a pro-slavery stance is OK is just wrong.

Yeah, I'm sure the red legs did a lot of bad stuff, but at least it was in the name of freedom and not iin the name of abusive slavery.

Hoots 7 years ago

And you assume that most students know more than a thing or two about history when 95% can't find Iraq on a map but 85% have seen Brittney's Puddy Tat?

igby 7 years ago

Thanks for the history Moo.

jayhawkox 7 years ago

I'm a KU student who isn't even from Kansas originally, I hail from California. But as someone who hates the idea of slavery I have to say that despite the fact that John Brown and his contemporaries were fighting to end that practice they do get to hold the moral high ground (insofar as that can be said) over Quantrill and his gang of dirty Confeds. I'm damn proud to be a Jayhawk and I'm fully aware of all of the history associated with that word. Give 'em hell on the 24th! Rock Chalk Jayhawk!

dclawstudent 7 years ago

Basically Missouri fans support slavery, war criminals, bigotry, racism and terrorism. Tigers must be proud.

RawkChawk 7 years ago

And you thought the Muck Fizzou shirts were bad? Looks like they are still available at http://www.teesed.com/store/muck_fizzou.173580002 if anyone wants one. This one is just too much even for me.

speaz 7 years ago

The Civil War stuff is interesting but, it's hard to deny that Kansas is the backwards state now. Muck Fizzou is asinine and juvenile even for Kansans.

Bill_Quantrill 7 years ago

You people are REALLY a sad bunch! First off some of you say to "get over it" because it was 150 years ago. Then all over the place, I read comments about how the shirt is offensive and insensitive! Which is it? Should folks be offended by a shirt created by a college kid or should they "get over it"?

The fact that most of you seem to know very little about history isn't surprising. The War for Southern Independence was not about slavery at all. it was mostly states rights. Slavery was brought in as an issue very late in the war by Lincoln to help bolster sagging support for a war that the North wasn't winning at the time. And Quantrill's "cause" was retalliation for the attacks on innocent Missourians by redlegger scum, not in support of slavery. Besides, you can't put your 21st century views on the institution of slavery to justify or condemn actions of those who lived in that era. Neither side really wanted to give up slavery.

So... that leaves us with a football game. One that will be violent both on the field and in the stands. You can count on that. If you're offended by violence, I suggest you attend the KU debate team's events and leave football to those who know how to enjoy it. Besides, WTF do you beakers know about football anyway? 45-21 Missouri in a cakewalk. Later.

Bill_Quantrill 7 years ago

Oh and one other thing... if Quantrill's only cause was, as someone stated, to "line his pockets", just where did he spend this enormous wealth? He spent 95% of his time out in the woods away from any towns where wealth could be spent. If you believe Quantrill was nothing but a murderer and a thief, you obviously just accept what you're told rather than investigating the truth. As a person who studies the Border strife in depth, I find your lack of knowledge and regurgitation of falsehoods you "learned" somewhere to be quite sad.

been_there 7 years ago

Face it, the t-shirts achieved their purpose. The KU shirt's purpose was to make Mizzou fans mad, which it did. The result was Mizzou fans made a t-shirt that was intended to make KU mad to get even, which obviously worked. The more you complain, the happier you are making them. Follow your parents and teachers advice that you recieved as a kid. Just ignore them. You know, if you hit someone, chances are they are going to hit back.

Katara 7 years ago

Bill_Quantrill says: So: that leaves us with a football game. One that will be violent both on the field and in the stands. You can count on that. If you're offended by violence, I suggest you attend the KU debate team's events and leave football to those who know how to enjoy it. ~~~~~~~~~~ You, sir, have obviously never been to a debate tournament.

HarrySTruman 7 years ago

Funny thing hearing Kansans point the racism finger elsewhere. One of the most segregated, racist states around. Ask a black man what its like to drive through Leawood and he will tell you about racism. Watch the looks on the faces of an Overland Park neighborhood if a black family moves in...This is the backwards state that teaches creationism, this is the school of Fred Phelps, with best selling books titled "Whats Wrong With Kansas?" on sale over at Amazon.

Have fun with that self righteousness Kansass...

speaz 7 years ago

I agree Truman; but, Johnson County, excepting Olathe of course, is a center of enlightened thinking compared to most of Kansas (Thomas Frank shared my HS alma matter just across the border in KS). I guess this just makes your observations all the more sad.

PS. If you're looking for a historical villain, Carrie Nation's misguided efforts led to more deaths than those of Quantrill. She's a perfect exemplar of the self-righteousness and myopia that characterizes "progressive" thinking in even many "liberal" Kansans.

speaz 7 years ago

PPS. Thomas Frank authored "What's the Matter with Kansas."

Linda Aikins 7 years ago

Bill, you need to take a good dose of XLax and enjoy life again.

FatTony 7 years ago

I don't think painting your face black for a football game is the same as someone in blackface however I could be mistaken. Ohio State has been Mucking Fichigan since the 60's so whats the big deal. Now I believe a few years back I saw a T-shirt that said "Pearl Harbor Day - Lets get Bombed" Ahh don't you love the freedom of speech.

Uhlrick_Hetfield_III 7 years ago

What disturbs me is that a KU home game is being played in Missouri for the benefit of Missouri merchants, and that smells more like Hemenway's doing than Lew's.

FatTony 7 years ago

Uhlrick-

Maybe you haven't been to Arrowhead....There are no Merchants in the parking lot. Oh and this game is on Thanksgiving weekend, so all the students that normally would be in town aren't. Secondly this is Lew's Idea and its brilliant. Most of this town criticizes everything the univeristy does and would rather KU be in somewhere else. But when it comes to thier own pocketbooks taking a hit its tragic. Ask Leavenworth if they would rather have the prison or KU now.

wats211 7 years ago

I WISH WE WOULD ALWAYS SHOW CLASS IN ALL OF OUR ACTIONS.....THOSE MUCK FIZZOU SHIRTS ARE NOT ONLY CLASSLESS...BUT THEY ARE REALLY STUPID AND SHOW A LACK OF EDUCATION...UNFORTUNATELY.....I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOME VERY COOL ....KU #1 SHIRTS ......THATS SIMPLE AND STATES WHAT WE BELIEVE...AND ITS CLASSY...GO HAWKS...KEEP THOSE BLINDERS ON...WE ARE JUST NOW ROUNDING THE CLUBHOUSE TURN...NOW WE NEED FULL FOCUS OR ITS ALL FOR NOTHING.

Michael Auchard 7 years ago

Posted this on KU Sports, but then I saw this piece and decided to post here as well.

I don't want to get all caught up in this stuff, because it's obvious this Mizzou T-shirt is just a sad attempt to better than KU at /something/. Those who claim that if people support the "Muck Fizzou" than they should "accept" this disgusting, slave-supporting, murderous, abomination are missing the point completely. This isn't even the same thing. The "Muck Fizzou" shirt is a witty, if not completely PC attack against a rival university's sports teams. This Quantrill shirt is an attack against the residents, both current and past, of the city of Lawrence. By placing a sports reference beneath the image, the shirt attempts to make the wanton murder of residents and mass arson of Lawrence acceptable. The issue present, though, has nothing to do with sports and is an attrocious use of common sense and judgement, not to mention a complete vaccum of basic human decency. As a life-long Lawrence resident I am utterly appalled. "Muck Fizzou" versus "Burn your town down and piss on your ashes," YEAH! I could understand if we had a shirt depicting John Brown cutting up babies here, and I can understand anger on the other side for the "Muck Fizzou" shirt, but we don't cherish our brutal Civil War moments here, and this shirt (in relation to the "Muck" shirt) is akin to killing a cockroach with a shotgun, it's just way over the top. Any Jayhawk, any Lawrencian who stands there and accepts this excrement from across the border is either a spineless mouse or a poseur.

Rock Chalk Jayhawk

HarrySTruman 7 years ago

scenebooster, you may want to check which football program is on probation. That is pretty damn ironic, and funny.

Tammy Yergey 7 years ago

The Missouri Bushwackers fought for slavery. The Kansas Jayhawkers fought for freedom. Both had persons who used the fighting for personal gain (looting, etc), however, for someone to compare the Osceola massacre to burning Lawrence... not even close. And again, remember the "cause". This is an interesting site for a history update. http://www.legendsofamerica.com/OZ-BleedingKansas.html Quantrill was not a hero. He was a mass murderer. And for HIM to be the "honorary mascot" for Mizzou, Sad, sad sad.

lovenhaight 7 years ago

The shirt that will officially replace the Muck Fizzou shirt has nothing to do with John Brown, that one is made by someone unaffiliated with KU. The winning design says something like "Tigers are an endangered species" on the front and "Extinction begins today" on the back.

Saintliest 7 years ago

*Raise the black flag and ride hard, boys. Our cause is just and our enemies many."

Maybe the cause has nothing to do with slavery, but with revenge for the many Missourians robbed and murdered during the Jayhawk raids that reached Osceola, Independence, Pleasant Hill, and many other places in Missouri a year and a half before? Maybe the black flag is more about a similar black flag with a skull and crossbones on it?

Gosh, and here I thought our culture was above prejudice and stereotypes.

1029 7 years ago

Um, the "cause" that Quantrill was referring to was in fact the idea that a person should be able to own slaves if he wanted to. Good effort though in trying to defend him, Saintliest.

Bill_Quantrill 7 years ago

Horsegirl and all who spout similar crap, you are simply idiots when it comes yto history. Quantrill NEVER owned a slave and didn't care either way. What he DIDN'T care for was the fact that the redlegger jayhawks killed a friend of his and left him for dead... unprovoked. So Quantrill got even by seeing to it that he systematically killed every jayhawker who was involved in the raid that took his friend's life. Trouble is, the jayhawkers continued to take ythe opportunity to raid into Missouri under the guise of being pro-union. they were simply pro- "hey, let's see what we can get away with to benefit ourselves on the Missouri side." EVERY bit of death and misfortune Quantrill caused in Kansas was in retribution for crimes against his friends on the Missouri side. There is no denying that. Let's take a look at true character: Redleggers came across and not only burned, stole and murdered but they also raped women and killed them. On the opposite end of the spectrum, you have Quantrill who ordered that NO WOMEN OR CHILDREN were to be injured or harmed in any way.

You can try to go toe to toe with me ANY time you like when it comes to border history. You can't touch my knowledge from my studies of this topic as I've been doing so in excess of 20 years.

jayhawkbarrister 7 years ago

A better slogan would be:

"If you can't go to college, go to Mizzou."

mark_dirck 7 years ago

The media & other under-educated persons are attempting to slander Captain William Clark Quantrill's Missouri men as racists. They have called it "bad taste" to mention Quantrill at the MOKS football game. Quantrill's men, who fought the abolitionists, the Kansan Jayhawkers, the Kansan red-legs, and the U.S. federal army of occupation in Missouri did so to defend pro-southern families and homes in Missouri. But is it not equally "bad taste" to use the label "Jayhawk" for the Kansans?

Definition: Jayhawk As a noun, a jayhawk was a fictitious bird from Irish heritage that tortured it's prey before pouncing on it and killing it. The KU mascot is that bird. As a verb, the term jayhawker referred to the Kansans, the abolitionists and red legs, who came over into Missouri to take advantage of the unsettled border war going on between MO & KS. Jayhawkers robbed and stole Missouri property, they burned out farms and homes to the ground, they murdered and hung Missouri pro-southern men. A jayhawker was a Kansan terrorist that was getting away with murder while the U.S. government permitted this activity.

Is it not the height of bad taste by Kansans to perpetuate that history by using the name "jayhawk" as their team name and mascot? Kansans choose to only remember that Quantrill & his Missouri Partisan Rangers came to their town, killed their men and burned it down. But why did they do this? It was not racism. It was "the Payback" raid. Kansans did the same thing to Missouri over & over. Do Kansans remember Oceola, MO? Do Kansans remember all the farms and homes destroyed and men killed ALL ACROSS western Missouri by their hands? Quantrill's men destroyed Lawrence, KS and it's men in retaliation for all the atrocities committed against Missouri southerners who were not pro-Union. Pro-slavery and anti-slavery forces fought each other by terror, arson, robbery, torture and murder. This is our KansasMissouri history.

The "Payback Raid" to Lawrence, KS happened as a reaction to Union forces killing WOMEN. Quantrill's men endured the atrocity of our federal government intentionally imprisoning & "accidently" killing their wives, sisters and girlfriends in a Kansas City jail. At the least, this was criminal negligence. At it's worst, this is an example of our Unionfederal government methodically assassinating a group of pro-southern women who were family to the Missouri guerilla forces. The target of Quantrill's fury had to be Lawrence, KS, because that town was at the center and cause for all the conflict on the MOKS border. Let all remember, Quantrill's men DID NOT harm or kill any women in Lawrence. The same cannot be said for Kansans & federals. History shows they harmed women. Pro-southern men have always held their women up on a pedestal, worshipped & protected them. The Lawrence massacre was the response for harming southern women.

Bill_Quantrill 7 years ago

Dear hypocritical Kansans:

Book chronicles Lawrence lynching By Mike Belt On the night of June 10, 1882, a mob of angry white men forced their way into the Douglas County Jail, dragged three black men out of their cells and marched them down to the Kansas River bridge.

In a matter of minutes all three were dead, swinging from the ropes below the bridge.

The lynching took place in Lawrence only 20 years after Quantrill's raiders had sacked the city during the Civil War, and 123 years before the U.S. Senate issued an apology for failing to pass lynching laws.

The incident also represents a dark piece of Lawrence history that few people today know about and which has received little publicity since. Two twin sisters, Cindy Schott and Kathy Schott Gates, found that out while researching and writing their book about the lynching, "Boys, Let Me Down Easy."

"At first, I was surprised," Kathy Schott Gates said. "When I thought about it more, however, I was not surprised. A liberal town like Lawrence, founded as a stronghold against slavery, does not like something like this in their past."

Kathy Schott Gates and her twin sister, Cindy Schott, have written a book about an 1880's lynching in Lawrence that occurred on the Kansas River bridge, where the Massachusetts Street Bridge stands today. The sisters, who grew up in Lawrence and graduated from Lawrence High School in 1969, began working on the book in 1982 after they heard about the lynching from their uncle, George Kaull. Cindy Schott, who now lives in Belton, Mo., had planned to write a book about the colorful characters and events that made up life along the Kaw, or Kansas River. She considered her uncle, a longtime river fisherman, one of those characters.

But Kaull, now dead, suggested another story. "He said, 'Why don't you write about poor old man Vinegar,'" Cindy Schott said.

Kaull went on to tell his niece about how Pete Vinegar, a black man, was one of the three lynched in 1882. In her spare time during the next several years, Cindy Schott learned Pete Vinegar's story and what happened the night of the lynching. She had to pore over microfilms of old Lawrence newspapers as well as papers in Topeka and Kansas City. She also studied old Douglas County District Court records.

"There was nothing new on this at all," she said of the available resources.

Wrong place, wrong time

Bill_Quantrill 7 years ago

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The incident that led up to the lynching involved prostitution, robbery and murder. Pete Vinegar was not involved in any of that, but he was in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Vinegar and his family had a bad reputation around Lawrence. They were dirt poor. His wife, Eliza, died at a young age, leaving her husband with seven children. The children often walked about town begging businesses and individuals for money, food and clothes. Sometimes they resorted to stealing.

"The mob dispersed and left the three men dangling from their long ropes at the now sullied bridge.

"In the morning the bodies were cut down and arranged in the jail yard. Hundreds of people passed by to catch a glimpse of the men felled by the great mob."

Vinegar's daughter, 14-year-old Margaret "Sis" Vinegar, was a prostitute. One of her clients was David Bausman, a rich white farmer from the southern Douglas County area of Globe.

On the night of June 1, 1882, Sis Vinegar met Bausman to do some business under the Kaw River bridge. Waiting in the darkness were two black men, Isaac "Ike" King and George Robertson, who had conspired with Sis Vinegar to rob Bausman. Armed with a metal bar, hammer and stick, they attacked Bausman and beat him to death. Sis Vinegar would maintain that she had pleaded for the men not to kill Bausman.

After the incident, King and Robertson went with Sis to the Vinegar house.

The lynching

Bausman's body was pulled out of the river on June 5, 1882. An investigation by Sheriff Henry B. Asher led to the Vinegars, King and Robertson. It turned out that Robertson had bragged about what was going to happen with Bausman to four youths ranging in age from 12 to 17. Those youths also were hidden in the darkness the night of the murder and saw it take place.

King and Robertson were apprehended after a massive county manhunt and taken to jail. Also taken to jail were Sis Vinegar and Pete Vinegar. They remained in jail following a coroner's inquest and a preliminary court hearing, even though there was nothing to indicate Pete Vinegar had been involved with the murder.

"I think the town was just fed up with Pete Vinegar and his family," Cindy Schott said. "They thought it was an opportunity to get rid of him, too."

Several hours before the lynching a crowd began to gather in front of the jail. By the time they broke into the jail, they numbered from 50 to 200 people, depending on which account you read, Cindy Schott said. Some wore scarves around their faces; others had covered their faces with wood ash. The sheriff did little to try to stop the lynching.

Bill_Quantrill 7 years ago

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The last to be hanged was King, saying "Boys, let me down easy." They did, and he died slowly, strangling to death.

'Victim of circumstances'

The sisters finished their 80-page book and self-published it earlier this year through Allen Press, where Kathy Schott Gates works. It can be purchased at Borders, 700 N.H.; The Raven Bookstore, 8 E. Seventh St.; and Watkins Community Museum of History, 1047 Mass.

In addition to the details about the lynching, the book also contains reprints of editorials about the incident that appeared in area newspapers, including abolitionist John Speer's Lawrence Tribune, and a list of key people in Lawrence who weighed in on the lynching on one side or the other.

Cindy Schott, whose hobby is genealogy, conducted the research for the book, and her sister did the writing.

"We hope that people will just be more informed about the history of Lawrence," Kathy Schott Gates said. "To me, it is a very important history that helped shape Lawrence into the lovely, vibrant town it is today."

No one was prosecuted for the lynching. Pete Vinegar was buried in a "paupers field" area at Oak Hill Cemetery, Cindy Schott said. Sis Vinegar was spared by the lynchers, but died of tuberculosis after spending a few years in prison.

"I feel satisfied that Pete Vinegar's story is finally out," Cindy Schott said. "He was a victim of circumstances."

mark_dirck 7 years ago

whatupdown (Anonymous) says:

Dammm Prouddd, slavery had to be stoped at any cost. Both sides took horses and so on, but we did not steal people for slaves!

mark_dirck responds: Nope. Instead, your abolitionists stole people that were property, valuable property that belonged to other people. Stealing is stealing. A slave in 1863 was worth about $30K in today's money. Few Missourians owned slaves, just the rich folk.

That's just history, folks. I'm not advocating slavery, because we all know it is and was wrong. BTW-slavery still is happening all over the world. Where are those Kansan abolitionist puritan do-gooders working today to stop slavery? Nowhere. If you Kansans still believe in the freedom cause, get off your Republican arses and go out into the world and fight slavery everywhere it exists. Somalia, North Africa, France, Mexico, Thailand, Japan, etc. Slavery is still alive and destroying lives all over the world. Get to work you Kansans!

mark_dirck a Missouri puke

mark_dirck 7 years ago

Hey scenebooster:

Your words against Missourians hold no weight. Simple Border "racism". You mean to say anyone from my wonderful state of Missouri doesn't "count for much"?

That sort of ignorant racism is what Kansas is NOT about. You are not a true Kansan. My historical bushwhacker brothers shot your kind down for such ignorance.

Judge each man on his own merit and honor.

mark_dirck Capt. Quantrill's Irregular Cavalry

ksdivakat 7 years ago

scenebooster (Anonymous) says:

"Besides, WTF do you beakers know about football anyway? "

Well, we're undefeated, and you're not. And we have basketball to look forward to.

All you have are those pesky probation hearings


OMG.....you made me choke!!! that is absolutely hilarious and soooo true!! You get the gold medal award today for fav posting!!!

grndexter 6 years, 11 months ago

Whoa! It's not Missouri that has the team name that constantly recalls the murderous cross border raiding from that period. Bushwhackers and Jayhawkers were both scum - but only Kansans seem to be proud of the name! Kansans? If you want to find the root of the T-shirt war, look at your team's jerseys. Personally, I would refuse to attend a school or go to games involving a school with such a lurid and offensive team name. The name "Jayhawks" is no different than "KKK" or "Nazis" - just vicious rapists and murderers from the anti-slavery side..

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