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Still smokin' in Lawrence


¢ A California couple that traveled across the country with their boat complains about dealing with cigarette smoke at a Lawrence bar/restaurant - despite the smoking ban - in this story in the [San Bernadino (Calif.) County Sun][1].In Kansas, they had a smoky experience that had nothing to do with the mountains."Judy and I arrived at the Lawrence, Kansas KOA late in the afternoon as we had driven all day in from Oklahoma City and this was the third night at a KOA sleeping on the boat on the couch," wrote Rogers in his travel notes. "We asked at the office where there was a good place to eat near and the Slow Ride was suggested... the Slow Ride was a biker's bar and the food was supposed to be good. In some states there are both smoking and non-smoking areas. Our table was both, smoking on one side and non-smoking on the other. You got smoke whether you wanted it or not from the butts on cigarettes and a stogie in the table ashtray."¢ Diana Carlin, dean of the Graduate School and international programs at Kansas University, co-wrote an article in this week's [Chronicle of Higher Education][2] about helping young faculty members advise doctoral students._You are a doctoral student, selecting a dissertation adviser. Option A is a scholar who is renowned but imposing, distant, and busy. Option B is a freshly stamped Ph.D., new to the tenure track, near your age, friendly, supportive, interested in your work, and seemingly ready to devote unlimited time to helping you. The choice is not so simple as it seems.¢ A KU doctoral student who is finishing up his degree despite having suffered a ruptured appendix in a remote area of New Guinea is the subject of a profile in today's [Kansas City Star][3]._In a tent at least 3,000 feet up a mountain in the South Pacific, University of Kansas student Edwin Scholes awoke in the middle of a rainy night, screaming in pain. Scholes, who had been conducting research for his dissertation, was several hundred miles from proper treatment for his ruptured appendix.And if anything looked promising, it was death, not his doctorate. [1]: http://www.sbsun.com/entertainment/ci_4285485 [2]: http://chronicle.com/jobs/news/2006/09/2006090501c/careers.html [3]: http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/15439717.htm


Sigmund 11 years, 7 months ago

Some people. Smoking is such a problem for these whiners and they pick the only Bar, Resturaunt, or Coffee Shop in the area that allows smoking and then they run back to California to complain about it! God I hate people from the Left Coast.

white_mountain 11 years, 7 months ago

They are pretty progressive out there in California. We could do well to follow their example. In some towns there you cannot smoke indoors or in your car. This helps reduce the risk to the children. It's so important that we protect our kids from cancer.

Ceallach 11 years, 7 months ago

I realize Dean Carlin's quote may have been taken out of context, but I find it surprisingly harsh. I worked in the Department of Mathematics for several years and found the vast majority of math professors (professors, not GTAs being called "Professor" by the freshmen :) to be very open and accommodating of the graduate students they advise. They work diligently to promote their students' research and accomplishments. There will always be those who are a god or goddess in their own mind, but at least in Mathematics, I found them to be the minority.

Bambam73222 11 years, 7 months ago

Ive been to the slow ride many times to eat never saw anyone smoking inside.
If you dont like Kansas stay the hell out of here.

mom_of_three 11 years, 7 months ago

I have never heard of the Slow Ride before this.

may have to look it up

ThomasJefferson 11 years, 7 months ago

Is Slow Ride in the city limits? If it is, it's on the edge. The Flamingo Club in east North Lawrence is just over the city limits line and so smoking is allowed there.

justthefacts 11 years, 7 months ago

This helps reduce the risk to the children. It's so important that we protect our kids from cancer.

Children born to parents who smoke around them are probably also kids that get fed McDonalds food every day, are allowed to run with sharp sticks, and probably even (horror of horrors) made to wear hand-me-down clothing (it could have bugs you know!!).

What next - do we license people who want to be parents? And who is qualified to decide these things?

No wonder the IQ in our country is going down; we excuse and protect people from suffering the direct (and indirect) results of their poor choices. Much as I hate to see children (or anyone) suffering - some times personal freedom means the freedom to make dumb mistakes that cause a lot of heart-ache! Children born to morons are already starting out with DNA problems.... But there are many examples of children who overcame and achieved, despite their tragic beginnings. (E.g. Churchill).

Regulating what "They" do in "their home" may sound good to you now - cheer it now - but how will you feel when "they" (someone you don't agree with - me for example) start telling YOU how to live and behave in your home?

kessman 11 years, 7 months ago

I have never seen anyone inside slowride smoking. go back west yuppies

Sigmund 11 years, 7 months ago

California is so progressive that many of it's citizens are fleeing to Seatle and Portland. The only reason California has a positive growth rate is illegal Mexican workers flooding over the border. As you migh imagine that has put a huge burden on schools hospitals and and police forces, not enough taxpayers too many leeches.

I swear, Lawrence is supposed to be full of educated and intelligent people, but you sure couldn't prove it to me today based upon the comments I have read. We have alot to learn from progressive California, as a counter example!

SpeedRacer 11 years, 7 months ago

Brad and Muffy are cordially invited to return to Lawrence with their boat for our next ice storm.

SpeedRacer 11 years, 7 months ago

By the way, I seem to recall that San Bernardino, where Brad and Muffy live, is one of smoggiest cities in California.

mom_of_three 11 years, 7 months ago

And yes, according to the article, they were sitting outside in the picnic area, as they called it.

mom_of_three 11 years, 7 months ago

But the article didn't mention it any more other than the one comment mentioned. It didn't sound so bad when you read the entire article.
THe last sentence from the article regarding Lawrence "Judy and I thought this was quite an evening: from Midwest biker bar to eco-friendly bike shop. The folks here in Lawrence, Kansas are living out their dreams."

11 years, 7 months ago

"They are pretty progressive out there in California. We could do well to follow their example. In some towns there you cannot smoke indoors or in your car."

If by "progressive" you meant "totalitarian" (and progressives usually do) then yes, California is pretty progressive.

Is that you, Lulu?

Charla Welch 11 years, 7 months ago

LJW just did a bad job of editing. You don't know that they are sitting outside until you read the whole article. The actual article portrays Lawrence in a much nicer tone than the excerpt above.

KS 11 years, 7 months ago

No matter how you say it or spell it, "progressive" still means "liberal". California is a joke! Oregon and Washngton are close behind.

YourItalianPrincess 11 years, 7 months ago

Slow Ride is a great place. The owner is wonderful and walks around greeting people. This is the one place that my friends and I have chosen to go out to when we get the chance. Yes, bikers go there and you may have someone serving you who has tattoos. Tattoos on a person doesn't make the person unlikeable. I have a few myself and I'm a pretty nice person.

The food is good too. We get a snack tray of chips, salsa, queso dip and sour creme. We all have dinner one night and there were no complaints. When you want to smoke theres smoking outside on the wrap around patio. You can't smell smoke inside unless you are close to the door as it opens and closes.

If Jerry and Judy are reading this........I'm from Cali also. I moved here in 97 and still enjoy living in Lawrence. Yes, we have a smoking ban inside but not out. I'm sure the people running the camping area you were staying in could have chosen some place else for you to go. Cali has changed alot since moving here. If you would have driven over the bridge you may have found a place better suited for your needs.

kmat 11 years, 7 months ago

I lived in LA for quite some time and actually just returned from there after going back for a few weeks. Here are just a few comments (since there were so many assumptions and bs comments posted about this above).

Yes, smoking laws are very harsh in CA. What have they gotten from it? Butts all over the streets and lower turnout in many bars and restaurants (especially around the beach towns). Not only do you have to go outside to smoke, but you must also be at least 20 feet from the entrance to any building. If any of you have visited out there, you know that space is very limited and there usually isn't any space between businesses. So there is no where for anyone to smoke outside of restaurants and bars. When smoking patrons can't even step outside to have a smoke, they tend to not visit those areas. I was very shocked at how dead the Newport Beach area was.

I've always laughed at the smoking bans in So Cal because of the smog. The smog out there is getting worse and worse and is definately much worse than a little second hand smoke. At least one can make a point to avoid a bar that allows smoking, but you can't avoid the brown, outside air that chokes even the non-smokers as they go about their days. They take everything out on the smokers, but allow residents to drive as many Hummers and other huge SUV's as they want. Anyone in any state that complains about smokers but does nothing to reduce polutants from cars and industry is just a hypocrit.

The comment about California being so progressive that its residents are fleeing to Seattle and Portland and that the only population growth out there is from illegal immigrants is spoken by someone who has no clue about the area. Take your Lou Dobbs immigrant hating comments elsewhere. The So Cal area is constantly growing, and not just from immigrants. It's non stop houses and construction in every area of So Cal. Find some illegal immigrants that can afford a $700,000 two bedroom house in the hills. So Cal is constantly growing because of good weather and good jobs, as it always has. Even when other areas of the nation are declining, So Cal is always growing. It started in the 30's and has never stopped. I didn't see any area that didn't have some sort of new development going on. It's the home of urban sprawl.

Sigmund 11 years, 7 months ago

Californians for Population Stabilization (CAPS), a non-profit corporation based in Santa Barbara, California, reports the findings of its new two-part research on the reasons for the state's accelerating and unsustainable growth.

The first study, by demographer Leon Bouvier, is based on information from the California Department of Finance; the second study, by environmental consultant Dick Schneider, combines state statistics with reports from the Census Bureau, the former INS (now the Bureau of Citizenship and Immigration Services) and research on domestic migration.

* Among the findings: " These studies end definitively any possible argument about the relative contribution of immigration versus unplanned or unwanted births to California's overpopulation problems. Total Fertility Rate for the state has reached replacement level at 2.1 and virtually all population growth in California is due to direct immigration and births to immigrants. "

* Using official state figures alone, Dr. Bouvier concluded that immigration was responsible directly and indirectly for 98 percent of California's increasing population, a trend that continued through 2002. Direct immigration was responsible for about 57 percent of California's growth in the decade 1990-2000, and the rest came from births to foreign-born women. "

* Combining state and federal sources, and independent research, Dick Schneider found that 100 percent of California's growth was the result of immigration and immigrant births, and that migration from other states was no longer a factor in California's present size. He found the contribution of immigration was actually larger than reported by the State of California, because the Census Bureau admitted undercounts of both legal and illegal immigrants. "

* No matter whether single or multiple databases were used, there was only a 2 percent difference in the results of the two studies, giving the overall conclusions high reliability.


BlondeTiger 11 years, 7 months ago

These people are really confused. at slowride you smoke on the patio. these people were on the patio. I was at slowride that day and no one was smoking in the building. these people need to really look into things before they start running their mouth.

kmat 11 years, 7 months ago


CAPS is an organization known for it's anti-immigration policy. That's all they are about is anti-immigration. They blaim every problem in the known world on immigrants and offer no real solutions to any problems. They are also well known for taking donations and then spending almost all of the money on internal costs. As a non-profit, they have the lowest rankings that can be given. Don't believe me, do some research. They are campaining hard to make sure that no immigrants are ever allowed to become citizens, even if they've lived here most of their lives. Their main goal now is to defeat the McCain/Kennedy immigration bill in the senate.

Since you think all of the population growth is from immigrants, then explain why most of the growth in So Cal is in well to do areas? Explain why there is so much high paying job growth. Explain why CAPS has been sued many times.

And to end this debate with someone not from California who's only reference is from some internet searching - enjoy that meal you eat tonight. Many of the items were picked by the immigrants you hate so much. Many of which are migrant and not even in California. They may cross the border there, but move on to other states with more possiblilty of jobs. More illegal immigrants are coming to states far away from California, following the harvests. So, are you native American? If not, then you have no room to talk about immigrants. Your family did the same thing years back.

black_watch 11 years, 7 months ago

California isn't =quite= such a bad place as you folks are making it out to be. I will say, though, that it's taken the generally good ideas of 'liberal' to new (bad) extremes; ones which hinge on the idea of "regulate EVERYTHING",and "to protect people from themselves". Even if doing so will do nothing but create hassle for average citizens without harming 'bad guys' at all.

You cannot litigate thoughtfulness, foresight, good reasoning, competence, morality, common sense, or intelligence into people; and when that is finally discovered by both Democrats and Republicans, California and indeed the US as a whole will become better places to live.

Laws do not create order; laws create criminals. The government does not create order, it creates laws. The police do not create order, they enforce laws. Order comes from the thoughts and actions of the people, everyday people as our families and friends and co-workers, doing the right things in our lives. We can make mistakes, but it's the attempt that brings us closer to a truly civil society without the burdensome intervention of useless, overbearing laws and power-hungry (or merely misguided) politicians.

mom_of_three 11 years, 7 months ago

Blonde tiger - the excerpt above didn't say they were eating inside. In fact, if you go to the link and read the entire article, it does say they went outside to the patio. And then the article doesn't mention anything more about smoking. In fact, if you read my previous post, the couple was very complimentary on our citizens they encountered that night.

Princess, You make the place sound great. Hubby and I may need to try it sometime on our night out.

Starness34 11 years, 7 months ago

Alright first the smoking ban is the best thing in the world. I love love love going out and not having my health at serious risk or smelling like smoke when I get home. I wish that Lawrence had more strict laws on smoking. As far as the cigg butts people dont have to put them out on the ground. There are trash cans outside. The ground is no place for that dirty trash. I think Lawrence should fine people 500 dollars for littering cigg butts and other trash. No one made you smokers start smoking you decided to posion your body and those around you. So you can be responisable adults and dispose of your ciggs in the proper container.

classclown 11 years, 7 months ago

"In Kansas, they had a smoky experience that had nothing to do with the mountains."


What a very idiotic thing to say. Kansas is nowhere the Smoky mountains. Or any mountains for that matter. Real ones anyway.

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