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Police have charged the owner of an pit bull with having a dangerous animal at large. A man walking his friend's dog on June 24 reported a pit bull lunged at him as he was walking on the 1400 block of Summit Alley. According to police reports a large brown pitbull living in the 1400 block Elmwood jumped a fence and came at him. The man had to use an umbrella to fight him off, he ran home to call police. Police are investigating the incident and looking into the history of this dog. -Contributed by [Laura Berger.][1] [1]: http://www.6newslawrence.com/staff/laura_berger/

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moveforward 8 years, 7 months ago

Large mean dogs and corvettes. I don't get either one. Aren't there other ways for compensating for a person's shortcomings?

Christine Pennewell Davis 8 years, 7 months ago

people lets hear all the facts before we shot the dog.

trinity 8 years, 7 months ago

was this bulletin written by a second grader?? sheesh, atrocious!

oh-and the dog-round 'im up before it hurts a child or an elderly person-aw heck, anyone!

Christine Pennewell Davis 8 years, 7 months ago

but we do not have all the facts just what this person choose to write and only what the man walking the other dog has said, you never know what could be the real story. he might not be so innocent.

Christine Pennewell Davis 8 years, 7 months ago

but then again it could just be a crazy dog on the loose yes i do understand that don't shot me along with the dog. Just find the owner shot that person, just kidding big fine maybe some jail and then you know the whole put the mean dog down.

Dale Stringer 8 years, 7 months ago

How can you people come to your conclusions based on what in this article? What did the dog being walked do, did it start the confontation? Not to say the pit bulldogs can't be dangerous or that they can't be a great family dog either. The only thing that makes them different than the "ankle biters" is a persons inability to kick them away. Just think how many chihuahuas there would be if we could put them to sleep for biting. What needs to happen is to have people attend a state sponsored course in order to raise/own certain breads of dogs.

Now back to my first sentence... next time a limb falls off a tree during a thunderstorm and hits a car, let's cut all the trees down in Lawrence.

OldEnuf2BYurDad 8 years, 7 months ago

"looking into the history of this dog"

He has just earned the history he needs. Investigation complete.

I can't wait for the flood of "my pit bull is so sweet" posts. Just in case you are already typing: we've heard the one about how it's all in the way you treat them and how the name "pit bull" has nothing to do with how/why the breed was developed. We've been down that road, and few of us believe that crap. The breed wasn't developed for keeping the emperor's feet warm. They don't rescue climbers. They don't shepherd livestock. They don't sniff out rabbits or retrieve ducks from the pond. They bite. Hard. They don't let go. That is their specific "ability" for which they were bred. And, maybe they were bred for the "shortcomings" as well.

esubrett 8 years, 7 months ago

Pit bulls were originally bred o be killers. Is it any surprise that they are still overly aggressive?

Christine Pennewell Davis 8 years, 7 months ago

hey budda I think I eluded to the same thing. Now to be fair to pit bulls I do know a couple that are really sweet and nice and that goes to the owners who raised them, I also know some that should be shot and that to goes to the owner so I would say people tend to be at blame for the mean ones.

Christine Pennewell Davis 8 years, 7 months ago

Well old enough the same could be said for german shepards but they are really nice dogs when treated and trained right. Dogs after all are just animal who have a diffrent sense of behavior than us humans they are after all wild animals.

amac 8 years, 7 months ago

trinity--right on! I thought exactly the same thing.

OldEnuf2BYurDad 8 years, 7 months ago

German shepherds are shepherding dogs. What are pit bulls? All breeds were bred for a purpose. What "purpose" does the pit bull have? When the breed was being developed, the breeders had a vision for what sort of traits they would instill in those dogs. What was their vision? Be honest about it: they are for killing, largely for the sport of killing. Not a war dog, just a "killer".

nonimbyks 8 years, 7 months ago

This wouldn't have happened if the SLT was completed!

Christine Pennewell Davis 8 years, 7 months ago

german shepherds have been known to be mean dogs and trained to kill the word trained being killed. A breed of dog is not resposible for what man teaches it to do. I do believe Roosevelt had a pit terrier and said it was the best dog man could have but they are very mean dogs that is where a pit bull gets its mean from. All animals have mean in them. Why do people expect human behavior out of an animal?

Christine Pennewell Davis 8 years, 7 months ago

the slt is still a dream made up by who like to fight over bs for 20 + years

moveforward 8 years, 7 months ago

"the slt is still a dream made up by who like to fight over bs for 20 + years"

What do it are?

devobrun 8 years, 7 months ago

If you are moving a piano into the second story of a house and you have to break for lunch, do you set up under the piano?

Chances are that the rope will hold.

Chances are that the dog won't bite.

It isn't what it probably will do, it is what it can do.

And you plumbers out there, don't chew yer fingernails.

Common sense is in short supply these days.

Christine Pennewell Davis 8 years, 7 months ago

sorry that should read, its is only a dream made up by people who only want to fight for 20+ years> I think I need a nap.

Dave McClain 8 years, 7 months ago

Sure can tell there's not much that's news worthy today. And that everyone needs a joke. Too bad the pit bull can't type. It be good for more comedy!

skygirl 8 years, 7 months ago

I have one thing to say "Punish the deed not the breed" I have 2 wonderful pit bulls at home and they are the most loving dogs ever. PIT BULLS ARE NOT KILLERS....unless you raise them to be. If that guy acted scared and attached him with an umbella any dog would attach back...you got the same problem with Rotwellers and other dogs. My dogs were raised with love and they are great with people and kids. That proves that its true you raise them right they can be great pets.

blessed3x 8 years, 7 months ago

Has anyone moved a piano into their second story using a rope? Is this just a 3 stooges episode?

flames_over_the_wasteland 8 years, 7 months ago

My pit bull is so sweet. Put humans to sleep instead.

OldEnuf2BYurDad 8 years, 7 months ago

"If that guy acted scared"

So, if I have a fear of dogs, that is a license for the dog to attack? I should be able to crap my pants in utter fear in front of ANY DOG and not be at risk of attack.

You are making excuses for the dog. The article tells you that it jumped the fence.

Skygirl, no one has answered my question, so since you are defending ownership of the breed, I'll ask you to respond to my post:

"What are pit bulls? All breeds were bred for a purpose. What "purpose" does the pit bull have? When the breed was being developed, the breeders had a vision for what sort of traits they would instill in those dogs. What was their vision?"

makingacomment 8 years, 7 months ago

I have first hand experience with pit bulls. Two pitbulls came into my garage, attacked my dog while it was sleeping and "played" tug of war with her. What if it would have been a child playing in my front yard? Time to put some "bite" into the dangerous dog ordinance.

shigirl 8 years, 7 months ago

lets mention some of the good things pitbulls are doing instead of giving them so much bad press. if it were a lab that jumped the fence i'll bet we wouldn't even hear about it in the news. i know my niece got her face tore up by a lab here in lawrence and it didn't make the news at all. it doesn't matter what they were originally bred for back in the 1800's, that's not the point. it's all in how you raise and train, and treat a dog. i know some people still fight their pits but that is people training them to be mean, not just the dogs disposition. you can train any dog to be mean. i have 4 pits of my own and it makes me really mad when people hear pitbull and are so quick to judge them. i have had pits since i was a kid and have never had problems with them biting or jumping and people. i have a 18 month old and i wouldn't trust any other type of dog around her.

Today the Pit Bull has evolved into a marvelous working and companion dog, used for purposes as varied as those it originally performed. Pit Bulls are employed as police/armed services dogs, search and rescuers, therapy animals, and livestock workers. They compete in all manner of organized dog sports, from herding to agility to conformation to obedience and the bite sports like Schutzhund and French Ring. They make loving pets for children and seniors, and everyone in between. The are indeed one of the most versatile breeds on the planet. Much of this is owed to the activities it once performed. The harshness and physical demands of the activities molded a strong, healthy, stable animal, one anyone should be proud to own. In America, the Pit Bull flourished. It was one of the most popular breeds, highly prized by a wide variety of people. The Pit Bull was used to represent the US in WW1 artwork; popular companies like RCA and the Buster Brown Shoe Company used the breed as their mascots. A Pit Bull named Petie starred in the popular children's television series, Our Gang; a Pit Bull mix named Stubby became a decorated WW1 hero. Pit Bulls accompanied pioneer familes on their explorations. Laura Ingalls Wilder of the popular Little House books owned a working Pit Bulldog named Jack. Famous individuals like Theodore Roosevelt and Helen Keller owned the breed. It was during this time that the Pit Bull truly became America?s sweetheart breed, admired, respected and loved.

skygirl 8 years, 7 months ago

THANK YOU SHIGIRL- THERE IS YOUR ANSWER OldEnuf2BYurDad

conservative 8 years, 7 months ago

Skygirl, the guy down the street from me had 3 rottweilers that he swore were great with his kids too. But on the day the fence was left open and they escaped everyone found out differently. They killed one dog, hurt another, and trapped a young boy in a car (thank god he had the smarts to get in it when the dogs came at him). It was a Sunday and animal control wasn't available so the police had to respond. One of the Rott's was shot attacking the police officer.

Now tell me again about how we should believe that these breeds aren't dangerous if the owners say so?

eej5 8 years, 7 months ago

OldEnuf... I've said before. Do your research. You say, "All breeds were bred for a purpose. What "purpose" does the pit bull have? When the breed was being developed, the breeders had a vision for what sort of traits they would instill in those dogs. What was their vision?"

I'll tell you. The origin of the bully breeds (as there are countless breeds that get lumped into the pit bull category) started when ranchers mixed a bulldog with a terrier to develop a dog that could help them work bulls. It was quite dangerous for ranchers to get in a pen with a bull, but they needed to for various reasons. The ranchers used the dogs to keep the bull occupied and/or distracted. The breed they created was bred to exhibit some of the following traits: tenacity, strength, confidence, and extreme loyalty and friendliness toward humans. Because the ranchers developed a strong, tough dog, they had to have dogs that respected humans above all else. Why would you develop a dog that could be a threat to you?

Sadly many irresponsible sickos have exploited the strength and tenacity of this breed and used it for dog fighting. Many irresponsible breeders have gotten away from breeding small, but strong and loyal dogs in their attempt to get bigger stronger fighters. These people are the criminals -- NOT THE DOGS.

The way to solve the problem is not shooting the dog. It's fining the owner and making him build a proper fence to contain his dog.

OldEnuf2BYurDad 8 years, 7 months ago

eej5 is the first to give a decent explanation

Thanks.

shigirl 8 years, 7 months ago

conservative, we are talking pits here not rots. and i can't say how the owners raised those dogs, or what they trained them to do. but i'll bet if it was a chow or a lab or a collie you wouldn't have even posted that comment. you are picking on certain breeds when it's not the type of dog, it's how the owner trains them. ill bet you wouldn't have included a collie in the "those type of dogs" comment in your post. would you consider all lassie's to be killers cause one got out and rasied some heck?

Staci Dark Simpson 8 years, 7 months ago

any dog can bite. Just ask our neighbor boy who was shaking his butt and taunting our bassett hound. Our hound broke his chain and bit the kid on the butt as he was running down the street. It was kind of funny sometimes you get what you deserve. But I agree sometimes dogs attack for no reason other than you look at them funny. As I child I was chased by a gnarling cocker spaniel, all I was doing was riding my bike up the street. I think people in general need to keep all dogs chained up because you never know how they will treat the public or how the public will treat them.

skygirl 8 years, 7 months ago

OMG! did you read the part where I said "punish the deed not the breed!" Its not the dog its the owner, who cares what there purpose was back then, this is now, and they can be wonderful pets and there are great pit bull owner out there. and to conservative- very dog has a different personality...my pit runs in front of the yard without a lease sometimes and goes to the neighbors dog and rolls around in the grass and plays with her. I also have many friends that come over to my place with other people and she doesn't attach them when she is out. My dog is not dangerous she is lovable and when she first mets someone she licks them. Its not the breed it can be any kind of dog is my point.

skygirl 8 years, 7 months ago

If you can't take care of the animal or take the responsiblity dont get it...

shigirl 8 years, 7 months ago

thank you eej5 for you comment you explained my point exactly! and oldenuf2byourdad i hope the breeding purpose explained was good enough for you since you wanted to know so bad what the purpose was.

Bradley Kemp 8 years, 7 months ago

"Pit bull" isn't a breed, so it doesn't make sense to talk about what the breed was intended for.

The name refers to dogs from several related breeds, such as the American Staffordshire terrier, the Staffordshire bull terrier, and the American pit bull terrier. Some of these dogs were bred to fight other dogs -- but not humans.

The American Temperament Test Society has tested 25,000 dogs for stability, shyness, aggressiveness, and friendliness to human. A handler judges each dog's reaction to stimuli such as gunshots, an umbrella opening, and an oddly dressed stranger approaching in a threatening way.

Eighty-four per cent of the pit bulls have passed the test -- more than beagles, Airedales, bearded collies, and all but one variety of dachshund.

shigirl 8 years, 7 months ago

thanks skygirl! if you can't be a responsible owner don't get the dog!

skygirl 8 years, 7 months ago

I wish everyone could see your statement souki

ksmattfish 8 years, 7 months ago

Sure there are nice pit bulls, and responsible owners; I've met them. But the problem with many pit bulls is that the owners didn't buy them to be the family pet. They were aquired as fashion accessories to look tough. If you've walked downtown you've seen teenagers being towed about by their pitbulls, or cuddling with pit bull puppies. Some of those dogs are raised right. Most aren't.

kmat 8 years, 7 months ago

Old enough

"If that guy acted scared"

"So, if I have a fear of dogs, that is a license for the dog to attack? I should be able to crap my pants in utter fear in front of ANY DOG and not be at risk of attack.

You are making excuses for the dog. The article tells you that it jumped the fence."

If you understood dogs in the least bit, you wouldn't have made this statement. Dogs react to their surroundings. They sense if you are uncomfortable or scared. Dogs are pack animals and all dogs want to be the pack leader. A dog knows it has the upper hand if it senses fear. If you approach a dog and show no fear, you have the upper hand. Basic doggy psychology. Dogs smell fear. If this dog was going to attack, that guy wouldn't have gotten away.

It was also moronic for this guy to run. It's like if a bear comes up on you - run and you're prey. You have to claim your ground. If the dog doesn't back down, you kick them in the head. That sounds terrible, but if a dog is going to attack, a swift kick to the head sends the message that you are in control. Even if the dog isn't going to back down, you at least buy time.

I've had pits. Never had a problem because I trained them well. Helped my neighbor with his pit puppy, now it's a great grown up girl that the whole neighborhood likes. I think we all feel safer knowing she's keeping a watch out. If she barks, we all come out to see what's up. Great alarm system.

I now have a Boston Terrier (which were actually bred for fighting. Instead, they turned out to be loving dogs that don't like to fight.). He was going to be put down at a shelter in Wichita because he was deemed dangerous because he bit a kid. Luckily, a friend with a rescue organization was able to get her hands on him before he was put down. This "terribly aggressive dog" (as the shelter labeled him) bit the kid because the kid grabbed his tail and broke it. I bring this up because everyone jumps to conclusions about dogs and immediately says "kill them". My dog won't hurt a fly unless he is physically hurt. I personally believe the kid that broke his tail deserved it. His tail was broken in multiple places and looks funky, but he's a great dog. He looks like a miniature pit bull, and it cracks me up when people get out of our way because they're scared of him.

Moral of the story, don't assume all pits are mean and don't kill animals without knowing all the facts.

Miked667 8 years, 7 months ago

What people do not seem to understand is that Pit-Bulls are as a breed prone to Rage Syndrome. This means that the loving family dog turns on the family 4yr old and bites its throat out. This has nothing to do with how a particular dog is raised but rather is related to the fact that Pit-Bulls have been bread to fight bulls and other dogs for centuries.

Miked667 8 years, 7 months ago

If you go here http://www.cdc.gov/ncipc/duip/dogbreeds.pdf you will see that the number of American Pit Bulls that were involved in fatal attacks is nearly double that of its closest competitor the Rottweiler. The CDC also states in this document that the problem of fatal dog attacks seems to be breed specific to Pit Bulls and Rottweilers.

bthom37 8 years, 7 months ago

Hey Mike, 28 Days Later was a movie, not a documentary. There is no such thing as 'rage syndrome'.

devobrun 8 years, 7 months ago

Why trust an animal? Again, it isn't what the dog might do, or usually does, or probably will do.

It is what they are capable of doing. They are very strong. They can be viscious, they have been known to be brutal.

Why risk it. There are lots of animals in the world.

Pit Bull lovers, why are you risking fines, prison, large lawsuit settlements? To show what tough hombre's you are? Training and handling the beast? Masters of your own domain?

Common sense folks, common sense.

Miked667 8 years, 7 months ago

Rage Syndrome is an actual condition, related to Schizophrenia, common in both Pit-Bulls and Cocker Spaniels. The difference is that an American Pit Bull Terrier can weigh 110lbs while a Cocker weighs around 30lbs.

bthom37 8 years, 7 months ago

Ok, Mike, what is a "pit bull type" dog? Is it a pit bull? Is it an American Staffordshire? Bull Terrier? Is it a dog that is half pit? Is it a dog that 'looks like a pit'? I'm pretty sure there is no genetic testing done on these dogs after the fact, so we're talking about self-reported statistics, which aren't 100% reliable.

More to the point, no control is done for how many pits (again, what is a pit?) there are in the US versus how many other large breeds of dog there are. I'm quite confident there are significantly more pit bulls than there are St Bernards, yet I'm also quite confident a St. Bernard could kill you. In fact, 7 people were reported as killed by St. Bernards. Are there 9 times as many 'pit bull type' dogs as St Bernards? I would say yes.

You know what Mike? I just finished reading that report. As a pit bull owner, I'm going to save a copy to my hard drive. It's a fantastic resource showing how 'it's the owners'. Thanks for playing, and next time try reading your supporting material, besides looking at the chart on the first page.

In summation, I dub thee a moron of the first rank, and will, should I ever have need to respond or refer to you again, refer to you by your new name of 'Peaches'.

bthom37 8 years, 7 months ago

Congratulations on your veterinary degree, Peaches! Nice to know next time my dog needs shots, I can take her to Dr. Peaches!

Charles L Bloss Jr 8 years, 7 months ago

If anyone but police or animal control shoots that damn dog, the liberals will have a field day. I'm not sure they would even keep quiet about it if proper authorities shot it. Nevertheless, if a vicious dog attacked me while I was simply walking along, I'd shoot it in a heartbeat. Listen up you liberals, the right of self defense overshadows all your bleeding heart ideas and laws. Thank you, Lynn

terrapin2 8 years, 7 months ago

I am a registered veterinary technician and feel it is very sad to blame the breed. Dogs of any breed can be vicious. The breeds that I tend to be the most wary of are usually the small "ankle biter" dogs like Chihuahuas, Miniature Pinschers, Dachsunds, Cockers etc. I have been bitten (or there has been an attempt made; we tend to have fast reflexes in my line of work) by Cocker Spaniels the most. I saw a Dr. get his finger bitten off by a Cocker once. Granted, these dogs would be hard pressed to kill you, but don't underestimate the damage a small dog can do. As far as big dogs go, I am WAY more careful with Chows and Sheperds than I ever would be with a Staffordshire Terrier breed or Rottwieler for that matter. The only problem with my experience is that it is clinical and dogs don't necessarily act like themselves at the vet, but it shows me that any dog of any size needs to be handled with a great deal of respect. Ultimately the owner makes the dog. Unfortunately, the owners that have the bad dogs do not take care of them, so they don't bring them to the vet where we might be able to counsel them on how to train a dog properly. I do know that there are many vicious dogs out there. I have had to care for several "vicious pits" in quarantine after they had severely ripped a woman apart. She was a mail carrier and the dogs broke down the screen door and attacked her. They were quarantined for 10 days and then evaluated by an animal behaviorist. We were unable to touch the dogs or even approach them to feed them and clean their cages. They were able to jump/scale a 6 foot wall with no problem so we were never allowed to go into the runs alone. I felt sorry for the dogs, but in my opinion, and only after knowing all the facts and observing the dogs first hand, these dogs should have been put down. They were a danger to anyone except the owner. They were allowed to go back to their owner in this case however. My main point is that you cannot blame the breed for human ignorance and like KMAT said, do not kill an animal without all the facts.

GardenMomma 8 years, 7 months ago

There's a difference between "shot" (the past tense) and "shoot" (the present tense). When we "shoot" the dog we are in the act of doing so. When we have "shot" the dog, it's dead.

Please, don't "shoot" me for correcting you.

BS20 8 years, 7 months ago

It's funny... Boxers were raised to be killers too, yet no one bitches about them. The were raised to attack bears and either kill it or hold it until the hunter shot it. So lets kill all Boxers too because they might accidently hold down a human.

P.S. I have two boxers and they are extremely sweet dogs. And many of my friends have Pit Bulls that are good dogs and they all play together and hurt no one.

Anyone ever heard of Nature vs. Nurture? It has been proved that children learn through experience and observation. Perhaps dogs are the same way? I mean seriously, I treat my dog like royality and for that she is scared of hail when it hits the roof. She is gonna hate the 4th thats for sure.

Xaphan 8 years, 7 months ago

Yeah you know I've heard that african americans have committed crimes during the history of the country. In fact, during the times in which slavery was legal some were actually tailor bred to increase muscle mass to provide stronger workers. By the logic expressed in most of these posts against "Pit Bull Type Dogs" we should also consider quarantining black people, better safe then sorry eh bigots? And for the record, two of my friends own a combined total of 3 American Staffordshires, one is dumb but unconditionally sweet, one is clumsy lazy and sweet, and one is very intelligent and lazy and sweet. Someone actually broke into the home of my friend that owns two and they were so kind and lazy that they didn't even stop the intruders as they stole the contents of the house. Vicious baby-eaters aren't they? Careful, some breed characteristics that are not so well known include: the ability to sprout wings, the ability to breathe fire, and the ability to kill poodles and children (between the ages of 6 months to 10 years) simply by looking at them.

cari 8 years, 7 months ago

Fatal Dog Attacks, by Karen Delise.

Read it!

It will answer ALL your questions. That is for the people who are sincerely interested in finding the facts rather than stroking their uneducated illiterate egos of the "I think I know it ALL mentality."

If people are going to spew facts about the so called "pit bull", do your research! As an academic, owner, and breed fancier, reading some of these truly ignorant posts only reveals your complete lack of intelligence about this "type" of dog. Sorry people, but a "pit bull" is not a breed. Read the book, if you CAN read.

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