Advertisement weblogs Faith Files

The morality of dogfighting


When Judy Carman heard about the dogfighting scandal involving NFL star Michael Vick, she started praying."My first reaction was to pray for the dogs he and his co-defendants have killed, for the dogs who have suffered but survived and for the men involved in these crimes, as well as all people who engage in such brutal activities," Carman says. "The criminals who torture animals need prayers, because they clearly do not experience the beauty and wonder and love that animals can bring into our lives."![][1]Carman, who lives in McLouth, is co-founder of [Animal Outreach of Kansas][2] and author of ["Peace to All Beings: Veggie Soup for the Chicken's Soul."][3]Vick, quarterback for the Atlanta Falcons, [announced this week that he will plead guilty][4] to federal dogfighting charges. Three co-defendants already have pleaded guilty.Officials have said Vick and his accomplices operated a dogfighting ring and killed poorly performing dogs."What Vick has done to these animals is horrifying to all caring people, but what really stands out, I think, is that this man knew he had become a super role model for children and teens, someone they wanted to emulate," Carman says. "He had a lot of money, which he could have used to help those less fortunate. He had the power to influence millions of fans to live ethical, responsible lives. He chose instead to torture, abuse and kill innocent dogs who were completely at his mercy."Carman (pictured above) says dogfighting is a problem throughout the United States. She notes that [a couple in Atchison][5] was charged with dogfighting this week.But animal abuse isn't limited to that - not spaying and neutering pets is abuse, she says, because animals' offspring can end up being homeless and die an early death at a shelter."I think it's clear that our culture and most people of faith still have not fully awakened to the fact that God loves all creatures, not just people," Carman says. "But it is a huge taboo to think about who you are eating, and little attention is paid to the damage we do to all animals because of our lack of motivation to live gently on the earth and in harmony with all life."But she thinks high-profile cases such as that involving Vick can, in the end, actually end up helping the animal-rights cause."My biggest hope is that this will shock Vick and others like him to wake up and see what they are doing," Carman says. "If this happened and Vick took an honest and believable public stance against dog fighting, I think he could do tremendous good and influence many fighters to stop this shameful and cowardly practice."_ - Faith Files, which examines issues of faith, spirituality, morals and ethics, is updated by features/faith reporter Terry Rombeck. Have an idea for the blog? Contact Terry at, or 832-7145._ [1]: [2]: [3]: [4]: [5]:


MountainLion413 6 years, 3 months ago

Agnostick, you make logical points throughout your post, and each one rings true.

Even Judy has valid points in her letter to the editor, including the importance of having animals spayed and neutered.

All true.

Judy's own Letter To The Editor listed above this thread speaks very well and accurately.

Until - she ends on a power-dive down thru a cloud of sheer naÃivete:

"My biggest hope is that this will shock Vick and others like him to wake up and see what they are doing,...If this happened and Vick took an honest and believable public stance against dog fighting, I think he could do tremendous good and influence many fighters to stop this shameful and cowardly practice."

  Is There Anybody Here
  who'd like to bet their latest paycheck
  THAT will happen?

Good night, and good luck


Agnostick 6 years, 7 months ago

I agree that dogfighters need to suffer the most severe penalties. Maybe they should put two dogfighters in a deep pit with razor-studded clubs, and let them try to take each other out? Barbaric, but you do this once or twice (and load the videos of the event on YouTube) and the other dogfighters will show themselves as the cowards they are!

That being said, Judy makes a great point about the different kinds of animal abuse, such as failing to "fix" your pet... failing to get the proper vaccinations... and to that I would add, failing to recognize and respect the inherent aggressive traits found in certain breeds of dogs.

While these aggressive breeds may not necessarily need to be exterminated (except through owner neglect and indifference, as was recently seen in the Lawrence area), it's important that those that choose to own such breeds be properly licensed... have the proper cages and enclosures for the animals... carry an appropriate amount of liability insurance, for when (more often a "when," than an "if") the dog escapes and attacks (and kills) somebody.

We expect someone who carries a concealed handgun to have a certain amount of training and licensure; if that same person them desires to operate an M-1 Abrams tank, we logically expect them to have even more training and more accreditation, and take even more precautions. This is logical, as the tank is much more deadly and much more destructive than a handgun.

Breed-specific legislation, or "BSL," is an integral part of a program to reduce cruelty to our animal friends, and ultimately, reduce the loss of human life.



MountainLion413 6 years, 7 months ago

Only when high-profile animal abusers like Vick are made to pay under severe penalty of law, will the public begin to realize that cruelty against animals is as wrong as it is against humans.

Look up any well-known serial killer. Each one started out being cruel against animals first, then "graduated" to torturing, beating, and killing fellow human beings.

Judy, you can pray for Michael Vick's enlightenment or "softening of heart" until Hell Freezes Over, if that's your intention.

But as for me, the man must be severely punished for his deed, and that's the end of it.

Mountain Lion 413


just_thinking 6 years, 7 months ago

can;t we just stick to the point here?

dog fighting is like animal cruelty , . i think the people who let their dogs fight on purpose or train them to fight to kill ought to be put in a cell with concrete walls , then bring in 10-20 big dudes then let them kick & beat the holly living s++t out of the a++hole!!!!!!!!!!!!

im, sorry , but dogs are mans best friend / not mans worst enemy you dig????????


Nick Yoho 6 years, 8 months ago

What A title! "the Morality of dogfighting"-as if there COULD be ANY! This site is always good for a laugh at least,in this god forsaken world we call home.


imastinker 6 years, 8 months ago

I think you mean ex-girlfriends dog.


oldgoof 6 years, 8 months ago

She isn't going to like this article out of the KC Star/Wichita Eagle, either: Wichitan accused of killing girlfriend's dog in Shawnee, and hiding it in ceiling.


Commenting has been disabled for this item.