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Supporters of DREAM Act rally against Kobach


Children of undocumented immigrants rallied on Tuesday, calling on Kansas Secretary of State Kris Kobach to resign and drop a lawsuit that seeks to end a program established by President Barack Obama that allows them to stay in the country. In an interview with the Lawrence Journal-World, Kobach said he has no intention of doing either.

He described the group's demands as "insane."

"The audacity of some people who are illegally in the country is amazing," Kobach said. "First they demand we don't enforce our laws and then they demand that a public official who wants to enforce the laws should resign."

Students and their supporters on Tuesday rally against Kansas Secretary of State Kris Kobach's anti-illegal immigration policies.

Students and their supporters on Tuesday rally against Kansas Secretary of State Kris Kobach's anti-illegal immigration policies. by Scott Rothschild

Ernesto De La Rosa on Tuesday gives V. Kay Curtis a letter to give to Kobach.

Ernesto De La Rosa on Tuesday gives V. Kay Curtis a letter to give to Kobach. by Scott Rothschild

Several in the group tried to meet with Kobach, a Republican who has been active in passing stringent anti-illegal immigration laws in several states, but Kobach's spokeswoman met them downstairs from his office and told them that Kobach wouldn't meet with them because his schedule was full and he doesn't conduct immigration-related business while in his state office.

"We don't do any immigration issues here in this office, the secretary of state's office," said V. Kay Curtis, who took a letter from the group and said she would give it to Kobach.

Erika Andiola, a 25-year-old from Mesa, Ariz., said she wanted to urge Kobach to stick to his state job and stop interfering with policies in other states. "We are asking him to stop using his time on immigration," Andiola said.

She said her mother was arrested by police two months ago because of Arizona's SB 1070, which was co-authored by Kobach, and requires local law enforcement to attempt to determine a person's immigration status during a stop or arrest.

"My mother was taken away handcuffed right in front of me," said Andiola. She was later released after law enforcement determined that she was in the process of getting residency status, Andiola said. She said her mother was initially stopped in her car because she was apparently "too brown" to be driving.

About 50 young adults, many of whom were brought here from Mexico and other countries as children, and their supporters rallied outside Kobach's office in the Memorial Building.

They urged Kobach to drop a lawsuit he has filed on behalf of 10 federal employees that seeks to undo a directive by Obama that allows young illegal immigrants who met certain criteria be allowed to stay in the country.

To qualify, an individual must have come to the United States before they were 16 and be a student, high school graduate or military veteran. They must have also been in the country for five years, and not be considered a risk to national security or public safety.

In a statement Kobach, who was an informal immigration advisor to Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney, said of Obama's action, "The Directive is an extension of the DREAM Act, which was rejected by Congress, and aims to grant an amnesty to 1.7 million illegal aliens. It violates federal immigration laws that require certain aliens to be placed in removal proceedings.”

But Ernesto De La Rosa of Dodge City said Obama's directive will enable students to work and study in the United States, which they consider their home. "We love this country and we want to contribute," he said.

The letter that De La Rosa and others gave to Kobach's office said Kobach has been an impediment "to our living out the American Dream. You have sought to rip our families apart and make our lives so miserable that we `self-deport.'"


Baja Rat 5 years, 5 months ago

Let me get this straight. Here we have a bunch of foreign criminals making demands of an elected official? The arrogance and sense of entitlement possessed by these border-hopping parasites is beyond belief! I say build a wall and deport ‘em all.

Agnostick 5 years, 5 months ago

Wow! That's quite the impressive sleeper act you have there, BajaRat!

Dick Sengpiehl 5 years, 5 months ago

Hope this is the last we hear from you, BajaRat

geekin_topekan 5 years, 5 months ago

Jesus brought these cherobs to Kansas for a reason. All we can do is pray for them and allow God's magic to work.

USAmerican100 5 years, 5 months ago

Jesus didn't bring them, criminal businesses and corrupted politicians did.
When will God punish these thiefs and liars?

Katara 5 years, 5 months ago

Of course not. You should go to jail with them.

Liberty275 5 years, 5 months ago

Is it a criminal act to come here undocumented? Are there federal laws that make coming here without a visa illegal?

progressive_thinker 5 years, 5 months ago

It is not a criminal act to be in the US without documentation.

Avoiding inspection by evading CBP at the time of entry is a federal misdemeanor. Re-entry after being deported is a federal felony.

If neither of these two situations can be proven, then the undocumented person is afoul of the federal statute "unauthorized presence". This is a civil offense rather than a criminal office, but the person may nonetheless be subject to being deported. This situation is not uncommon among persons who were brought here as a child, or for those who have overstayed a visa.

As a practical matter, a person in this situation who is picked up by the ICE is often allowed to post bond or released on their own recognizance until their deportation hearing, so long as they have not been involved in criminal activity. At the hearing, the person may be granted permission to remain.

progressive_thinker 5 years, 5 months ago

Looks like there has been a disappearance in the midst of this...........

progressive_thinker 5 years, 5 months ago

Yes, you have correctly cited the federal misdemeanor for improper entry.

Nonetheless, the fact that a person is in the US without documentation does not prove that they have violated the "improper entry" statute. In those cases, INA 237(a)(1)(B applies. Unless a CBP officer or other law enforcement actually observes someone crossing the border, the elements of the crime of improper entry are difficult, if not impossible to prove to a criminal standard. Also, if the person crossing the boarder is a juvenile, it is next to impossible to convict them of a criminal offense.

A discussion of past efforts to criminalize unlawful presence is located at http://trac.syr.edu/immigration/library/P585.pdf

Jean Robart 5 years, 5 months ago

Kris Kobach has a very good point. I support him.

50YearResident 5 years, 5 months ago

Fretstar must be an illegal too. Why is he defending the illegals?

John Kyle 5 years, 5 months ago

These are people raised as Americans and should be granted the path to citizenship. I know hard working families around Lawrence who may not be in the country legally but there children are as American as mine. Let's stop dehumanizing people by merely referring to them as "illegals" and try to work towards a compassionate resolution.

USAmerican100 5 years, 5 months ago

East LA, Santa Ana, downtown Phoenix, those cities are not part of America, they are part of Mexico! Populated mostly by Mexicans who ignore American laws.

America is based upon the rule of law, without it there is no America, and since these young adults are foreigners here unlawfully they are not American.

USAmerican100 5 years, 5 months ago

Are you Native American? If not then according to your rant why are you still here, living on stolen land?

DaInsan31 5 years, 5 months ago

simple. u cant disagree when i say genocide has been done right? im mean look in history books. now what gives you the right to say who can be here and who cant. esspecially when u got 1.7 million kids that where brought here raised as americans, went to school like americans, speak english like americans, yet you gonna sit there and tell me well they are not americans? come on now. it really isn't their fault. and due to their parents decision they have to suffer? it is INHUMANE. maybe giving them a path to b legal is amnesty... maybe its bad and immoral to some of you. but think god put us all here on the face of this earth. we are all humans, we are all equal. saying this is my house you cant b here is a childish mentality.

Liberty275 5 years, 5 months ago

I'm not a native American (I'm a plain beige guy) and I'm still here because I can't be compelled to leave.

Liberty275 5 years, 5 months ago

I was trying to be politically correct. I'm not an American Aboriginal. How's that?

USAmerican100 5 years, 5 months ago

"But Ernesto De La Rosa of Dodge City said . "We love this country and we want to contribute," he said.

If they really truly loved America they would follow our laws. They can contribute more to America by returning to their birth countries and improving them. Obviously they really just want to stay here for the easy ride, created and paid for by Americans!

ThomTel 5 years, 5 months ago

Anyone wanting to pay the bill for these kids, please step fprward!

ThomTel 5 years, 5 months ago

Anyone wanting to pay the bill for these kids, please step forward!

Liberty275 5 years, 5 months ago

They must be down paying the bill for the kids. Or still in bed.

deec 5 years, 5 months ago

Considering a huge chunk of the U.S. was stolen from Mexico in an illegally-negotiated treaty in 1848, I have no issue with immigrants from the south.

Some of my ancestors came in through Canada during the Potato Famine. I doubt they went through immigration. Others came in through Ellis Island. All you had to do to get in was not be sick and not be a known criminal, as long as you were of the right European stock.

deec 5 years, 5 months ago

The chief negotiator was recalled to Washington during the negotiations but he refused to go. He was subsequently fired. Also, we had signed another treaty a few years earlier that, among other things, vowed to give up all claim to any Mexican territory forever.

Because there is a meat factory 7 miles from where I live, there is already a healthy Hispanic population in the area. Rumor has it the agribusiness recruits at the border.

If the area increases its Latino population more than it already has, I'd learn Spanish. Problem solved.

deec 5 years, 5 months ago

Or I could be one of the 68 people killed by Americans in auto accidents every day. Incidentally, the number of people killed in accidents has declined over the last two decades. Using the twisted logic that is all too prevalent on this sight, that must mean undocumented people are actually better drivers than Americans, since there are so many of them here now.

Liberty275 5 years, 5 months ago

What law did the US break when it stole half of Mexico and have you reported this act to the appropriate authorities?


USAmerican100 5 years, 5 months ago

Wrong, the US paid $3 billion for the development rights, as most of the land at the time was controlled by American Indians, not Mexico. Then the US went back and over time negotiated separate deals with the American Indians, most of which were unfortunately broken.

Past immigrants also had to be able to support themselves, illegal aliens today don't.

Mike Ford 5 years, 5 months ago

dumb americans......the darkness of these people's skin indicates indigenous roots on this land. how colonists, criollios, and peninsulares flip reality on it's head is beyond me. what was america called before amerigo vespucci leant his first name ti colonialism? ask the thousands of tribal nations and millions of indigenous people what they thought of illegal immigration, resource and land theft and genocide.....then act as if you have a leg to stand on.

DaInsan31 5 years, 5 months ago

excactly what i said a few comments back but these guys grouped up and suggested to remove my comment because it was the bitter truth. yes i said it harsh but nevertheless it was the truth. thank you for putting it in a few kinder words.

Liberty275 5 years, 5 months ago

".the darkness of these people's skin indicates"

Smells like bigotry.

progressive_thinker 5 years, 5 months ago

A critical point that many of the "negative" posters in this forum have no grasp of is that the Dream Act does not give any relief to persons who have committed the felony crime of criminal reentry, nor does it provide relief to those who are in violation of federal criminal law [misdemeanor] regarding illegal entry. Yes, it is true, not all "illegal aliens" have committed a crime.

The Dream Act can only apply to the variety of folks who could be subject to being deported based on the civil violation of unauthorized presence. As a practical matter, if someone of this description is picked up by the ICE, they may well get released on bond or own recognizance pending their hearing, and many of this description would not be deported anyway.

What the Dream Act accomplishes is that it focuses scarce government resources on processing criminal illegal immigrants who are posing an immediate threat to safety and security within the US, and deferring action on those who are not of the criminal variety, and who may well not be deported anyway. Persons who have any serious criminal history are excluded.

In practical terms, a mass deportation program would cost the US approximately 285 billion, according to a 2010 estimate. That's about $922 in new taxes or deficit spending for every man woman and child in our nation.


I seriously doubt that many politicians have the political will to advocate for this.

The fear and misinformation mongering that has been whipped up about this issue is breathtaking.

Alex Parker 5 years, 5 months ago

Agnostick, I'm sorry, that's just not the case. If you think advertisers are proud to stand side by side with the comments on this site, I can guarantee you that is true. I will not ban someone solely because a handful of users suspect someone to be a zombie.

Katara 5 years, 5 months ago

I can guarantee you that the "handful of users" that suspect someone to be a zombie are much more aware of what goes on this site than you.

But whatever, you don't seem to be planning to stick around here anyhow. Rumor has it that you're anticipating a move back to Chicago.

Dick Sengpiehl 5 years, 5 months ago

Is there any question as to why Obama received over 70% of the Hispanic vote? Case closed.

Dick Sengpiehl 5 years, 5 months ago

GOP dissed DreamAct. Arizona type anti illegal alien laws have been interpreted by Hispanics to be discriminatory. Surely Fretster you can understand all the factors involved. With only a 30% approval rating from Hispanics, that was a big reason for defeat. Also of course the black vote, Asian vote, women's vote, the list goes on and on. If you will notice, the states which are the bluest are the most diverse. These aren't talking points, they are the facts and what really happened. As America gets more and more diverse in the large population centers, they will vote Democrat unless the GOP rids itself of older white men. Attrition will take care of that. However, they'd better change or it's curtains.

USAmerican100 5 years, 5 months ago

McCain supported amnesty much more than Obama did, why did he lose the Hispanic vote? Racism maybe?

verity 5 years, 5 months ago

Thank you, progressive_thinker, for your cogent explanation.

USAmerican100 5 years, 5 months ago

The Pilgrims were not illegal immigrants, they had permission from the American Indians to live there in exchange for some merchandise, they also had a mutual defense pact.

USAmerican100 5 years, 5 months ago

Wrong again as usual, most were still on the boat when Governor Carver obtain permission from the American Indians to settle.

Katara 5 years, 5 months ago

Mmm, no. John Carver (among others designated as spokesmen for their community) sought permission from the ENGLISH to establish a colony in America. Additionally, the Mayflower was off course and didn't land where the Pilgrims had a legal (per the English) right to be.

They did establish a treaty with the Native American tribe that lived in the region but it was after they had already arrived and settled.

USAmerican100 5 years, 5 months ago

Or maybe it's grass roots activism against La Raza Cosmica brown supremacy. We post on whatever publication has articles supporting this racism.

GeneRalno 5 years, 5 months ago

Many Kansans label themselves as liberals because they cannot stomach the idea that they've become common socialists. It saddens me that moronic layabouts and illegal aliens now outnumber the working class. And it angers me that Obama’s directive is nothing more than a contrivance that bought DREAM Act votes, in spite of congressional opposition. Fact is, we love the kids just like the socialists say they do. But we despise what their parents did to them. So here's a new deal for the next administration. Keep the kids and deport the parents. Those kids suddenly would become ordinary adult Americans and pay out-of-state tuition, income taxes and insurance -- just like the rest of us and our kids. Define kids as high school graduates under 21 -- not 30 -- and require verification. And if they fail to graduate from an accredited college within six years, deport them to their parents. If they fail to become felony-free citizens within five years after graduation from college, deport them to their parents. Finally, I'd make this a one time offer that expires in six months. After that, no more free stuff of any kind. Close the program and the border with military force.

oldbaldguy 5 years, 5 months ago

the people from down south i meet who are either here illegally or have papers seem do me some of the hardest working folks around. until mexico and latin america make dramatic reforms, we will always have a problem with people trying to make a better life for themselves and their families. we do need to have a workable program to put these folks on the tax rolls so they can at least pay taxes and work towards citizenship. kobach's tactics are not the answer. i used to be of the opinion we should kick them all out. we can't, its too hard and there is no political will to do it.

USAmerican100 5 years, 5 months ago

If we give amnesty to the "best and brightest" from Mexico, how do you expect them to ever make reforms? That's why it's in the best interests of both the USA and Mexico to return the Dreamers.

USAmerican100 5 years, 5 months ago

So how many Congressmen and Senators have you contacted, demanding they pass mandatory e-verify? We have made hundreds of contacts each. Probably none for you - hypocrite.

Also the Dreamers WERE NOT born here, they were smuggled in by their parents. So are you saying they are the dumb ones, not the "best and brightest" like they claim?

USAmerican100 5 years, 5 months ago

Complete with gun towers? Otherwise it's real easy to cut those wires.

Janice Seymour 5 years, 5 months ago

When you stop giving more money and privileges to people who have come into our country illegally than you do to our military, then I will stop feeling "inhumane". When a soldier from Arkansas is stationed in Kansas but must pay out of state tuition, but children of illegals don't, it is just wrong. Bring our troops home and put them on the border@

John Hamm 5 years, 5 months ago

Rest in peace, unborn child killed by drunk illegal on 5th dui: 43-year-old, illegal named Ramon Hernandez slammed into their vehicle. http://teapartyorg.ning.com/forum/topics/drunk-illegal-kills-baby-while-picking-up-5th-dui?commentId=4301673%3AComment%3A863534&xg_source=activity

John Hamm 5 years, 5 months ago

So all you liberals just keep on telling yourselves how great Illegal Aliens are......

Alex Parker 5 years, 5 months ago

If a comment is removed from our internal moderation page, it won't say "comment removed, etc" If I manually remove a comment, it will show up. It depends on from which page a comment is removed.

deec 5 years, 5 months ago

I think a few users just need to adjust their silvery metal bonnets.,

CHKNLTL 5 years, 5 months ago

I think I read that right, "....we want to contribute." That means they want to use water, electricity, gas, real estate, schools, hospitals, retail stores.....that equals LOTS of MONEY brought in on TAXES that they WANT to pay!! That's marvelous! If only every AMERICAN wanted to PAY all those taxes. Kobach is a complete Koch brothers tool, bought and paid for just like all the other Koch puppets. The masters are pulling his strings, but somehow can't make him close his fat mouth from saying things that completely support our accusations of him being a bigot, a racist, a cruel person, and an idiot moron of a public official, a joke.

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