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Children of undocumented immigrants rallied on Tuesday, calling on Kansas Secretary of State Kris Kobach to resign and drop a lawsuit that seeks to end a program established by President Barack Obama that allows them to stay in the country. In an interview with the Lawrence Journal-World, Kobach said he has no intention of doing either.
He described the group's demands as "insane."
"The audacity of some people who are illegally in the country is amazing," Kobach said. "First they demand we don't enforce our laws and then they demand that a public official who wants to enforce the laws should resign."
Several in the group tried to meet with Kobach, a Republican who has been active in passing stringent anti-illegal immigration laws in several states, but Kobach's spokeswoman met them downstairs from his office and told them that Kobach wouldn't meet with them because his schedule was full and he doesn't conduct immigration-related business while in his state office.
"We don't do any immigration issues here in this office, the secretary of state's office," said V. Kay Curtis, who took a letter from the group and said she would give it to Kobach.
Erika Andiola, a 25-year-old from Mesa, Ariz., said she wanted to urge Kobach to stick to his state job and stop interfering with policies in other states. "We are asking him to stop using his time on immigration," Andiola said.
She said her mother was arrested by police two months ago because of Arizona's SB 1070, which was co-authored by Kobach, and requires local law enforcement to attempt to determine a person's immigration status during a stop or arrest.
"My mother was taken away handcuffed right in front of me," said Andiola. She was later released after law enforcement determined that she was in the process of getting residency status, Andiola said. She said her mother was initially stopped in her car because she was apparently "too brown" to be driving.
About 50 young adults, many of whom were brought here from Mexico and other countries as children, and their supporters rallied outside Kobach's office in the Memorial Building.
They urged Kobach to drop a lawsuit he has filed on behalf of 10 federal employees that seeks to undo a directive by Obama that allows young illegal immigrants who met certain criteria be allowed to stay in the country.
To qualify, an individual must have come to the United States before they were 16 and be a student, high school graduate or military veteran. They must have also been in the country for five years, and not be considered a risk to national security or public safety.
In a statement Kobach, who was an informal immigration advisor to Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney, said of Obama's action, "The Directive is an extension of the DREAM Act, which was rejected by Congress, and aims to grant an amnesty to 1.7 million illegal aliens. It violates federal immigration laws that require certain aliens to be placed in removal proceedings.”
But Ernesto De La Rosa of Dodge City said Obama's directive will enable students to work and study in the United States, which they consider their home. "We love this country and we want to contribute," he said.
The letter that De La Rosa and others gave to Kobach's office said Kobach has been an impediment "to our living out the American Dream. You have sought to rip our families apart and make our lives so miserable that we `self-deport.'"
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BajaRat 5 months, 4 weeks ago
Let me get this straight. Here we have a bunch of foreign criminals making demands of an elected official? The arrogance and sense of entitlement possessed by these border-hopping parasites is beyond belief! I say build a wall and deport ‘em all.
Agnostick 5 months, 4 weeks ago
Wow! That's quite the impressive sleeper act you have there, BajaRat!
frankfussman 5 months, 4 weeks ago
Intolerance is pervasive.
Agnostick 5 months, 4 weeks ago
What kind of budget do you have set aside for this strategery of yours? How many buses, planes, and trains will be required for deportation? Or did you just want to keep them here and set up... "camps?"
Lieutenant 5 months, 4 weeks ago
Hope this is the last we hear from you, BajaRat
Agnostick 5 months, 4 weeks ago
Scroll down and educate yourself--not everyone here is fooled by your jingoistic crap.
geekin_topekan 5 months, 4 weeks ago
Jesus brought these cherobs to Kansas for a reason. All we can do is pray for them and allow God's magic to work.
USAmerican100 5 months, 4 weeks ago
Jesus didn't bring them, criminal businesses and corrupted politicians did.
When will God punish these thiefs and liars?
Katara 5 months, 4 weeks ago
Of course not. You should go to jail with them.
Liberty275 5 months, 4 weeks ago
Is it a criminal act to come here undocumented? Are there federal laws that make coming here without a visa illegal?
progressive_thinker 5 months, 4 weeks ago
It is not a criminal act to be in the US without documentation.
Avoiding inspection by evading CBP at the time of entry is a federal misdemeanor. Re-entry after being deported is a federal felony.
If neither of these two situations can be proven, then the undocumented person is afoul of the federal statute "unauthorized presence". This is a civil offense rather than a criminal office, but the person may nonetheless be subject to being deported. This situation is not uncommon among persons who were brought here as a child, or for those who have overstayed a visa.
As a practical matter, a person in this situation who is picked up by the ICE is often allowed to post bond or released on their own recognizance until their deportation hearing, so long as they have not been involved in criminal activity. At the hearing, the person may be granted permission to remain.
progressive_thinker 5 months, 3 weeks ago
Looks like there has been a disappearance in the midst of this...........
progressive_thinker 5 months, 4 weeks ago
Yes, you have correctly cited the federal misdemeanor for improper entry.
Nonetheless, the fact that a person is in the US without documentation does not prove that they have violated the "improper entry" statute. In those cases, INA 237(a)(1)(B applies. Unless a CBP officer or other law enforcement actually observes someone crossing the border, the elements of the crime of improper entry are difficult, if not impossible to prove to a criminal standard. Also, if the person crossing the boarder is a juvenile, it is next to impossible to convict them of a criminal offense.
A discussion of past efforts to criminalize unlawful presence is located at http://trac.syr.edu/immigration/library/P585.pdf
mommatocharlie 5 months, 4 weeks ago
Kris Kobach has a very good point. I support him.
Agnostick 5 months, 4 weeks ago
Glaring error in paragraph #4, Mr. Rothschild. Allow me:
There... that's better!
If these kids would like to talk with their elected official about a pertinent Kansas matter... they may want to travel to Arizona. Or Alabama. Maybe California... Texas... Pennsylvania... Ohio...
WristTwister 5 months, 4 weeks ago
Would Kobach really be their elected official considering their illegal status?
50YearResident 5 months, 4 weeks ago
Fretstar must be an illegal too. Why is he defending the illegals?
queequeg 5 months, 4 weeks ago
These are people raised as Americans and should be granted the path to citizenship. I know hard working families around Lawrence who may not be in the country legally but there children are as American as mine. Let's stop dehumanizing people by merely referring to them as "illegals" and try to work towards a compassionate resolution.
Agnostick 5 months, 4 weeks ago
Fretster, some of these accounts were registered many years ago, left alone as "sleepers" until the perpetrator was ready to resurrect them. Look at when the account was registered, and then look at the post history. I can think of a couple of people that might do something like this... the Ram In Nylon comes to mind.
I anticipate some of them will fake military service to excuse the account's dormancy. "Oh, I was overseas, in Iraq/Afghanistan and just got back."
Yeah. Uh-huh...
USAmerican100 5 months, 4 weeks ago
East LA, Santa Ana, downtown Phoenix, those cities are not part of America, they are part of Mexico! Populated mostly by Mexicans who ignore American laws.
America is based upon the rule of law, without it there is no America, and since these young adults are foreigners here unlawfully they are not American.
justfornow 5 months, 4 weeks ago
Secure the border and hold employers accountable anf we can talk about the next step!.
USAmerican100 5 months, 4 weeks ago
Are you Native American? If not then according to your rant why are you still here, living on stolen land?
DaInsan31 5 months, 4 weeks ago
simple. u cant disagree when i say genocide has been done right? im mean look in history books. now what gives you the right to say who can be here and who cant. esspecially when u got 1.7 million kids that where brought here raised as americans, went to school like americans, speak english like americans, yet you gonna sit there and tell me well they are not americans? come on now. it really isn't their fault. and due to their parents decision they have to suffer? it is INHUMANE. maybe giving them a path to b legal is amnesty... maybe its bad and immoral to some of you. but think god put us all here on the face of this earth. we are all humans, we are all equal. saying this is my house you cant b here is a childish mentality.
Liberty275 5 months, 4 weeks ago
I'm not a native American (I'm a plain beige guy) and I'm still here because I can't be compelled to leave.
ljreader 5 months, 3 weeks ago
Anyone born here is a native American.
Liberty275 5 months, 3 weeks ago
I was trying to be politically correct. I'm not an American Aboriginal. How's that?
USAmerican100 5 months, 4 weeks ago
"But Ernesto De La Rosa of Dodge City said . "We love this country and we want to contribute," he said.
If they really truly loved America they would follow our laws. They can contribute more to America by returning to their birth countries and improving them. Obviously they really just want to stay here for the easy ride, created and paid for by Americans!
ThomTel 5 months, 4 weeks ago
Anyone wanting to pay the bill for these kids, please step fprward!
ThomTel 5 months, 4 weeks ago
Anyone wanting to pay the bill for these kids, please step forward!
justfornow 5 months, 4 weeks ago
That was worth repeating!
justfornow 5 months, 4 weeks ago
Where you at Libs?
Liberty275 5 months, 4 weeks ago
They must be down paying the bill for the kids. Or still in bed.
Agnostick 5 months, 4 weeks ago
Good morning Tommy Boy... got a fresh bottle of MD 20/20 for the holiday weekend?
ljreader 5 months, 3 weeks ago
We've paid for their K-12 education, free lunch and breakfast programs, and much more. We don't get to step forward. It's extracted from our wages.
deec 5 months, 4 weeks ago
Considering a huge chunk of the U.S. was stolen from Mexico in an illegally-negotiated treaty in 1848, I have no issue with immigrants from the south.
Some of my ancestors came in through Canada during the Potato Famine. I doubt they went through immigration. Others came in through Ellis Island. All you had to do to get in was not be sick and not be a known criminal, as long as you were of the right European stock.
deec 5 months, 4 weeks ago
The chief negotiator was recalled to Washington during the negotiations but he refused to go. He was subsequently fired. Also, we had signed another treaty a few years earlier that, among other things, vowed to give up all claim to any Mexican territory forever.
Because there is a meat factory 7 miles from where I live, there is already a healthy Hispanic population in the area. Rumor has it the agribusiness recruits at the border.
If the area increases its Latino population more than it already has, I'd learn Spanish. Problem solved.
deec 5 months, 4 weeks ago
Or I could be one of the 68 people killed by Americans in auto accidents every day. Incidentally, the number of people killed in accidents has declined over the last two decades. Using the twisted logic that is all too prevalent on this sight, that must mean undocumented people are actually better drivers than Americans, since there are so many of them here now.
Liberty275 5 months, 4 weeks ago
What law did the US break when it stole half of Mexico and have you reported this act to the appropriate authorities?
LOL.
USAmerican100 5 months, 4 weeks ago
Wrong, the US paid $3 billion for the development rights, as most of the land at the time was controlled by American Indians, not Mexico. Then the US went back and over time negotiated separate deals with the American Indians, most of which were unfortunately broken.
Past immigrants also had to be able to support themselves, illegal aliens today don't.
ljreader 5 months, 3 weeks ago
not stolen. won in war. also Us paid them for the territory. Only 1% of Mexico's population wanted to live in what is now US territory when it was "stolen" from them,. They didn't want it till there was schools, hospitals, clinics, highways, infrastructure, and welfare. Now it's theirs and they want it back.
tuschkahouma 5 months, 4 weeks ago
dumb americans......the darkness of these people's skin indicates indigenous roots on this land. how colonists, criollios, and peninsulares flip reality on it's head is beyond me. what was america called before amerigo vespucci leant his first name ti colonialism? ask the thousands of tribal nations and millions of indigenous people what they thought of illegal immigration, resource and land theft and genocide.....then act as if you have a leg to stand on.
DaInsan31 5 months, 4 weeks ago
excactly what i said a few comments back but these guys grouped up and suggested to remove my comment because it was the bitter truth. yes i said it harsh but nevertheless it was the truth. thank you for putting it in a few kinder words.
Liberty275 5 months, 4 weeks ago
".the darkness of these people's skin indicates"
Smells like bigotry.
USAmerican100 5 months, 3 weeks ago
Comment not posted.
progressive_thinker 5 months, 4 weeks ago
A critical point that many of the "negative" posters in this forum have no grasp of is that the Dream Act does not give any relief to persons who have committed the felony crime of criminal reentry, nor does it provide relief to those who are in violation of federal criminal law [misdemeanor] regarding illegal entry. Yes, it is true, not all "illegal aliens" have committed a crime.
The Dream Act can only apply to the variety of folks who could be subject to being deported based on the civil violation of unauthorized presence. As a practical matter, if someone of this description is picked up by the ICE, they may well get released on bond or own recognizance pending their hearing, and many of this description would not be deported anyway.
What the Dream Act accomplishes is that it focuses scarce government resources on processing criminal illegal immigrants who are posing an immediate threat to safety and security within the US, and deferring action on those who are not of the criminal variety, and who may well not be deported anyway. Persons who have any serious criminal history are excluded.
In practical terms, a mass deportation program would cost the US approximately 285 billion, according to a 2010 estimate. That's about $922 in new taxes or deficit spending for every man woman and child in our nation.
http://articles.businessinsider.com/2012-01-30/news/31004595_1_deportation-kumar-kibble-rob-paral
I seriously doubt that many politicians have the political will to advocate for this.
The fear and misinformation mongering that has been whipped up about this issue is breathtaking.
Agnostick 5 months, 4 weeks ago
The zombies have full support of this site's administrator(s). They'll be here a while--and they're welcome to post as much hatred and bigotry as they like.
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Alex Parker 5 months, 4 weeks ago
Agnostick, I'm sorry, that's just not the case. If you think advertisers are proud to stand side by side with the comments on this site, I can guarantee you that is true. I will not ban someone solely because a handful of users suspect someone to be a zombie.
Katara 5 months, 4 weeks ago
I can guarantee you that the "handful of users" that suspect someone to be a zombie are much more aware of what goes on this site than you.
But whatever, you don't seem to be planning to stick around here anyhow. Rumor has it that you're anticipating a move back to Chicago.
Lieutenant 5 months, 4 weeks ago
Is there any question as to why Obama received over 70% of the Hispanic vote? Case closed.
Lieutenant 5 months, 4 weeks ago
GOP dissed DreamAct. Arizona type anti illegal alien laws have been interpreted by Hispanics to be discriminatory. Surely Fretster you can understand all the factors involved. With only a 30% approval rating from Hispanics, that was a big reason for defeat. Also of course the black vote, Asian vote, women's vote, the list goes on and on. If you will notice, the states which are the bluest are the most diverse. These aren't talking points, they are the facts and what really happened. As America gets more and more diverse in the large population centers, they will vote Democrat unless the GOP rids itself of older white men. Attrition will take care of that. However, they'd better change or it's curtains.
USAmerican100 5 months, 4 weeks ago
McCain supported amnesty much more than Obama did, why did he lose the Hispanic vote? Racism maybe?
ljreader 5 months, 3 weeks ago
Rubio was working on a Dream Act-like bill. Obama hijacked it when he circumvented Congress and the will of the American citizens for political gain. Somehow, it seems like a swell time to give millions of illegals work permits when citizens can't find jobs- and drivers licenses right before an election. I can hardly wait till we give the other 20 million amnesty. Maybe they can collect Social security after a year or two because we all know we have too much of that money laying around.
blackcopter 5 months, 4 weeks ago
The Republican "conservatives" have proven (from Reagan on) that they can spend money we don't have at least as fast as the Democratic "liberals". Republican's just spend it on different stuff. They spend it on war, corporate welfare and tax breaks that favor the wealthy. You guys think that if you say this loud enough and often enough people will believe that Republicans are more responsible fiscally. The facts say otherwise.
verity 5 months, 4 weeks ago
Thank you, progressive_thinker, for your cogent explanation.
by verity
USAmerican100 5 months, 4 weeks ago
The Pilgrims were not illegal immigrants, they had permission from the American Indians to live there in exchange for some merchandise, they also had a mutual defense pact.
verity 5 months, 4 weeks ago
Amnesty after they arrived.
USAmerican100 5 months, 4 weeks ago
Wrong again as usual, most were still on the boat when Governor Carver obtain permission from the American Indians to settle.
Katara 5 months, 3 weeks ago
Mmm, no. John Carver (among others designated as spokesmen for their community) sought permission from the ENGLISH to establish a colony in America. Additionally, the Mayflower was off course and didn't land where the Pilgrims had a legal (per the English) right to be.
They did establish a treaty with the Native American tribe that lived in the region but it was after they had already arrived and settled.
USAmerican100 5 months, 4 weeks ago
dupe
USAmerican100 5 months, 4 weeks ago
Reply not posted.
Alex Parker 5 months, 4 weeks ago
That comment has not been removed.
USAmerican100 5 months, 4 weeks ago
Five of my comments have been removed.
Agnostick 5 months, 4 weeks ago
BajaRat Anonymous LJWorld.com user since Feb. 4, 2008. Send BajaRat a private message (login required)
Location: Maalaea Bay, Hawaii Hometown: Newport Beach, Calif. Occupation: Activist
Comments: 12
Now look at the comments... every comment except one made in the past two or three days. The very first comment, which ended up being deleted, was made March 29, 2011... more than three years after the account was set up!
USAmerican100 and IllinoisMinuteman are the same way. Sleepers.
This isn't astrosturfing.... maybe cyberturfing?
USAmerican100 5 months, 4 weeks ago
Or maybe it's grass roots activism against La Raza Cosmica brown supremacy. We post on whatever publication has articles supporting this racism.
Agnostick 5 months, 4 weeks ago
Exactly... "cyberturfing." AKA "trolling." Not that the more-experienced long-time users here didn't see through your sham. ;)
Agnostick 5 months, 4 weeks ago
Do you honestly think Kobach would leave a high-paying post in ALEC for a job in the White House? The money is too good, and he's probably not that committed to representing all Americans...
Agnostick 5 months, 4 weeks ago
And don't be mad because I saw behind your mask... it's not the first time, after all... ;)
Agnostick 5 months, 4 weeks ago
I'm not bothered by internet bigotry hiding behind the cowardice of anonymity, if that's what you mean. :)
Agnostick 5 months, 4 weeks ago
I use facts. Scroll down and read if you can... if you dare...
GeneRalno 5 months, 4 weeks ago
Many Kansans label themselves as liberals because they cannot stomach the idea that they've become common socialists. It saddens me that moronic layabouts and illegal aliens now outnumber the working class. And it angers me that Obama’s directive is nothing more than a contrivance that bought DREAM Act votes, in spite of congressional opposition. Fact is, we love the kids just like the socialists say they do. But we despise what their parents did to them. So here's a new deal for the next administration. Keep the kids and deport the parents. Those kids suddenly would become ordinary adult Americans and pay out-of-state tuition, income taxes and insurance -- just like the rest of us and our kids. Define kids as high school graduates under 21 -- not 30 -- and require verification. And if they fail to graduate from an accredited college within six years, deport them to their parents. If they fail to become felony-free citizens within five years after graduation from college, deport them to their parents. Finally, I'd make this a one time offer that expires in six months. After that, no more free stuff of any kind. Close the program and the border with military force.
Agnostick 5 months, 4 weeks ago
You have no proof for anything you say.
Our immigration problems started with Reagan, and his 1986 amnesty, when he, to use language your feeble mind can understand, "opened the floodgates."
Ronald Reagan is the biggest joke this nation has ever had in the White House.
Agnostick 5 months, 4 weeks ago
More likely, a group of drunken teen skinheads are besmirching the Minutemen organization, trying to look "kEwL" during their day off from school...
GeneRalno 5 months, 4 weeks ago
And your point is?
oldbaldguy 5 months, 4 weeks ago
the people from down south i meet who are either here illegally or have papers seem do me some of the hardest working folks around. until mexico and latin america make dramatic reforms, we will always have a problem with people trying to make a better life for themselves and their families. we do need to have a workable program to put these folks on the tax rolls so they can at least pay taxes and work towards citizenship. kobach's tactics are not the answer. i used to be of the opinion we should kick them all out. we can't, its too hard and there is no political will to do it.
Agnostick 5 months, 4 weeks ago
Not surprised by your championing of a white nationalist/white supremacist.
Did you want to offer up someone else? Pete Peters, maybe?
Agnostick 5 months, 4 weeks ago
I would never expect a handful of Johnny-On-The-Spots to know the first thing about the corner of cyberspace they just rolled into. Cyberturfing just means making a lot of noise and ruckus, without knowing who you're talking with, much less what you're talking about.
"Hate the U.S.?" Did Rush tell you to say that? You buy his pills for/from him, as well?
As to my beliefs on illegal immigration, they've been posted here many, many times... long before cyberturfing punks tapped on their Apple keyboards in Mrs. Rodriguez's kindergarten class.
Here's a thread from six years ago; I believe this might be before you even cyberturfed your registration here. Pay particularly close attention to this and this. If you have a problem with the larger words, one of the site administrators will be glad to help you.
And I apologize for the dead-end CNN link on that second post. Shame, really, because it details how President George W. Bush was on the cusp of signing over to Mexico and even BIGGER amnesty deal than the one Reagan initiated in 1986. I guess that's the "silver lining" of Bin Laden, huh? If not for 9/11 pulling The Shrub's pen away from said piece of paper, the problem would be even worse, wouldn't it? But don't let reality distract you from your partisan bickering and backstabbing--we wouldn't want actual facts, now, would we?
Let me know if you want to argue more--I've gotten pretty good at shooting fish in a barrel. We can continue here, or on one of your many other blogs and forums that you've infested out there. ;)
agnostick@excite.com
Agnostick 5 months, 3 weeks ago
I'm sorry...are you referring to the way you and BajaRat give thumbs-up to your own, and each other's posts? Personally, I'd rather have zero approvals, than one I gave myself. Apparently, my ego's not nearly as fragile as the cyberturfer ego. I'd be happy to show you if you like. :)
USAmerican100 5 months, 4 weeks ago
If we give amnesty to the "best and brightest" from Mexico, how do you expect them to ever make reforms? That's why it's in the best interests of both the USA and Mexico to return the Dreamers.
Agnostick 5 months, 4 weeks ago
Riddle me this, Batman: Where will you find the time and money to do this? Huh?
I agree that anytime an illegal breaks a law, they should be tried, and if convicted, deported immediately. This is especially true for drug offenses, gang-related offenses, violent crimes.
But do you really propose going door-to-door, asking to see papers?
BTW, those "best and brightest" were actually born here... not in Mexico.
Meanwhile, you and BajaRat and your fellow cyberturfers go right on turning a blind eye towards businesses, big and small, that knowingly hire illegal immigrants. Always fun to watch hypocrites twist in the wind!
USAmerican100 5 months, 4 weeks ago
So how many Congressmen and Senators have you contacted, demanding they pass mandatory e-verify? We have made hundreds of contacts each. Probably none for you - hypocrite.
Also the Dreamers WERE NOT born here, they were smuggled in by their parents. So are you saying they are the dumb ones, not the "best and brightest" like they claim?
Agnostick 5 months, 4 weeks ago
Perhaps the self-appointed "grass-roots activists" (read: cyberturfing bigots) actually bothered doing their homework, they'd understand that this nation has really never had too big a problem with immigration policy.
There's been an abundance of policy; what we've lacked is enforcement.
Like many self-styled cyberturfing bigots, they don't want to end illegal immigration--they just want to end the immigration that they see as "meddlesome." **These bigots are just fine with other types of illegal immigrants.
"W-w-whaaat?!?!?" you ask, "Exactly what kind of illegal immigrants do they turn a blind eye towards?"
These "activists" secretly, quietly condone the immigrants they clean their houses once a week. Mow their lawns. Trim the shrubs. Build houses for their buddy, the local contractor/developer. The immigrants working on the road that leads to their favorite strip club or casino. The illegal immigrants that dance in those clubs, or wash dishes in the casino buffet.
Don't be fooled by this false "activism"--it's merely a front to divert your attention from their own lawlessness and treason.
To truly enforce our current immigration policy... we would have to close down those housing contractors. Those meat packing plants. Those casinos. Those strip clubs. Raid them, shut them down.
A few years back, that sort of thing actually happened. Laws were enforced. That time seems to have passed.
Rather than demonize a political party or ideology, maybe these "activists" should take a long, hard look at their entrepreneurial buddies... their neighbors. To confront the real lawbreakers, however, they probably need only look in the nearest mirror.
agnostick@excite.com
Agnostick 5 months, 4 weeks ago
"We still need the fence, though... and we still need to play hardball with businesses that hire illegals."
I said it six years ago, and I still believe it today. It still hasn't happened--we're still turning a blind eye towards businesses that knowingly hire illegal immigrants. Mostly, I think we're afraid of running out of that super-cheap "pink slime" that goes into our triple-burgers that some of us keep on the car dashboard.
I don't expect the astropunks to have a position on this--they won't even want to discuss it. Much easier to flail away at the folks crossing the river.
Agnostick 5 months, 4 weeks ago
From a purely practical standpoint: I believe the Dream Act is our current best opportunity to solve part of the illegal immigration problem.
I would bring home our troops from overseas, and station them along our southern border. That's what our soldiers are for--focusing on problems and security issues here at home, not chasing oil wells on the other side of the globe.
Let's put up a fence. I mean a fence... not an obstacle course.
This is an obstacle course:
Waiting to cross... by Agnostick
OOPS!! Cartels ain't always that smart, are they? by Agnostick
Agnostick 5 months, 4 weeks ago
This is what a real border fence should be like.
What a real border fence should be like... not that glorified Erector Set project that President George W. Bush wasted money on. by Agnostick
USAmerican100 5 months, 4 weeks ago
Complete with gun towers? Otherwise it's real easy to cut those wires.
dbl00 5 months, 4 weeks ago
When you stop giving more money and privileges to people who have come into our country illegally than you do to our military, then I will stop feeling "inhumane". When a soldier from Arkansas is stationed in Kansas but must pay out of state tuition, but children of illegals don't, it is just wrong. Bring our troops home and put them on the border@
WristTwister 5 months, 4 weeks ago
Their "dream" is our nightmare.
OonlyBonly 5 months, 3 weeks ago
Rest in Peace Jodie Hatzenbihler, a 25-year-old Olathe nurse, http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2012/apr...
OonlyBonly 5 months, 3 weeks ago
Rest in peace, unborn child killed by drunk illegal on 5th dui: 43-year-old, illegal named Ramon Hernandez slammed into their vehicle. http://teapartyorg.ning.com/forum/topics/drunk-illegal-kills-baby-while-picking-up-5th-dui?commentId=4301673%3AComment%3A863534&xg_source=activity
OonlyBonly 5 months, 3 weeks ago
So all you liberals just keep on telling yourselves how great Illegal Aliens are......
Agnostick 5 months, 3 weeks ago
If the liberals are giving illegals verbal validation... I wonder what the political persuasion might be of the business owners and managers who are paying them sub-standard wages under the table, and skipping out on their taxes?!?
Think those might be "libs" too?
WristTwister 5 months, 3 weeks ago
Strange how comments simply disappear without the usual disclaimer. Can it be that the comments were not a violation of the Rules of Engagement? Can it be that they were simply comments associated with the wrong political persuasion? I have followed this thread for the last couple of days and I have not seen anything from the conservative side in this thread that exceeds the vitriolic and audacious comments posted by regular LJW liberals on a daily basis.
Agnostick 5 months, 3 weeks ago
Pseudoconservative trolls never understand good discussion, do they? It'sall about "lib bashing" and nothing more. Thanks for the laugh.
WristTwister 5 months, 3 weeks ago
Psuedoconservative Trolls = Anyone who does not share my secular progressive mindset.
Agnostick 5 months, 3 weeks ago
From the fine folk(s) who brought us "lib"..."libs"..."libtards".. and all those other fine ways of saying, *"anyone who doesn't share my war mongering theocratic ideology."
Registering for a new username just doesn't cut it... when, if ever, will you learn this?
WristTwister 5 months, 3 weeks ago
@ Agnostick: I have been following this thread for 2 or 3 days, but I have been watching you since I signed on back in August, and I have been trying my best to ignore you. I don't know who you think you are and I am not sure who you think I am, but I have no interest in engaging with you or participating in your junior high school mental gymnastics. Please do not reply to my comments in the future.
Agnostick 5 months, 3 weeks ago
Your posting archive speaks for itself. Unlike many of the consevative voices that have been posting here for several years, you're rarely able to post anything without throwing around your favorite political epithet. It's no wonder folks like you are so politically out-of-touch with a sizable portion of the electorate (read: people who consistently vote against your candidate), You always want to blame "the libs"--but the real problem can be found in your nearest mirror. Keep up the comedy, busta...and by "comedy," I mean both your writing (copy/pasting, plagiarizing, etc.) and your voting/thumbs-up record here... ;)
USAmerican100 5 months, 3 weeks ago
Yes, five of my comment disappeared.
Alex Parker 5 months, 3 weeks ago
If a comment is removed from our internal moderation page, it won't say "comment removed, etc" If I manually remove a comment, it will show up. It depends on from which page a comment is removed.
Agnostick 5 months, 3 weeks ago
That's very helpful to know! Thank you!
deec 5 months, 3 weeks ago
I think a few users just need to adjust their silvery metal bonnets.,
CHKNLTL 5 months, 3 weeks ago
I think I read that right, "....we want to contribute." That means they want to use water, electricity, gas, real estate, schools, hospitals, retail stores.....that equals LOTS of MONEY brought in on TAXES that they WANT to pay!! That's marvelous! If only every AMERICAN wanted to PAY all those taxes. Kobach is a complete Koch brothers tool, bought and paid for just like all the other Koch puppets. The masters are pulling his strings, but somehow can't make him close his fat mouth from saying things that completely support our accusations of him being a bigot, a racist, a cruel person, and an idiot moron of a public official, a joke.
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