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Supporters of DREAM Act rally against Kobach

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Children of undocumented immigrants rallied on Tuesday, calling on Kansas Secretary of State Kris Kobach to resign and drop a lawsuit that seeks to end a program established by President Barack Obama that allows them to stay in the country. In an interview with the Lawrence Journal-World, Kobach said he has no intention of doing either.

He described the group's demands as "insane."

"The audacity of some people who are illegally in the country is amazing," Kobach said. "First they demand we don't enforce our laws and then they demand that a public official who wants to enforce the laws should resign."

Students and their supporters on Tuesday rally against Kansas Secretary of State Kris Kobach's anti-illegal immigration policies.

Students and their supporters on Tuesday rally against Kansas Secretary of State Kris Kobach's anti-illegal immigration policies. by Scott Rothschild

Ernesto De La Rosa on Tuesday gives V. Kay Curtis a letter to give to Kobach.

Ernesto De La Rosa on Tuesday gives V. Kay Curtis a letter to give to Kobach. by Scott Rothschild

Several in the group tried to meet with Kobach, a Republican who has been active in passing stringent anti-illegal immigration laws in several states, but Kobach's spokeswoman met them downstairs from his office and told them that Kobach wouldn't meet with them because his schedule was full and he doesn't conduct immigration-related business while in his state office.

"We don't do any immigration issues here in this office, the secretary of state's office," said V. Kay Curtis, who took a letter from the group and said she would give it to Kobach.

Erika Andiola, a 25-year-old from Mesa, Ariz., said she wanted to urge Kobach to stick to his state job and stop interfering with policies in other states. "We are asking him to stop using his time on immigration," Andiola said.

She said her mother was arrested by police two months ago because of Arizona's SB 1070, which was co-authored by Kobach, and requires local law enforcement to attempt to determine a person's immigration status during a stop or arrest.

"My mother was taken away handcuffed right in front of me," said Andiola. She was later released after law enforcement determined that she was in the process of getting residency status, Andiola said. She said her mother was initially stopped in her car because she was apparently "too brown" to be driving.

About 50 young adults, many of whom were brought here from Mexico and other countries as children, and their supporters rallied outside Kobach's office in the Memorial Building.

They urged Kobach to drop a lawsuit he has filed on behalf of 10 federal employees that seeks to undo a directive by Obama that allows young illegal immigrants who met certain criteria be allowed to stay in the country.

To qualify, an individual must have come to the United States before they were 16 and be a student, high school graduate or military veteran. They must have also been in the country for five years, and not be considered a risk to national security or public safety.

In a statement Kobach, who was an informal immigration advisor to Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney, said of Obama's action, "The Directive is an extension of the DREAM Act, which was rejected by Congress, and aims to grant an amnesty to 1.7 million illegal aliens. It violates federal immigration laws that require certain aliens to be placed in removal proceedings.”

But Ernesto De La Rosa of Dodge City said Obama's directive will enable students to work and study in the United States, which they consider their home. "We love this country and we want to contribute," he said.

The letter that De La Rosa and others gave to Kobach's office said Kobach has been an impediment "to our living out the American Dream. You have sought to rip our families apart and make our lives so miserable that we `self-deport.'"

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CHKNLTL 1 year, 4 months ago

I think I read that right, "....we want to contribute." That means they want to use water, electricity, gas, real estate, schools, hospitals, retail stores.....that equals LOTS of MONEY brought in on TAXES that they WANT to pay!! That's marvelous! If only every AMERICAN wanted to PAY all those taxes. Kobach is a complete Koch brothers tool, bought and paid for just like all the other Koch puppets. The masters are pulling his strings, but somehow can't make him close his fat mouth from saying things that completely support our accusations of him being a bigot, a racist, a cruel person, and an idiot moron of a public official, a joke.

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WristTwister 1 year, 4 months ago

Strange how comments simply disappear without the usual disclaimer. Can it be that the comments were not a violation of the Rules of Engagement? Can it be that they were simply comments associated with the wrong political persuasion? I have followed this thread for the last couple of days and I have not seen anything from the conservative side in this thread that exceeds the vitriolic and audacious comments posted by regular LJW liberals on a daily basis.

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OonlyBonly 1 year, 4 months ago

So all you liberals just keep on telling yourselves how great Illegal Aliens are......

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OonlyBonly 1 year, 4 months ago

Rest in peace, unborn child killed by drunk illegal on 5th dui: 43-year-old, illegal named Ramon Hernandez slammed into their vehicle. http://teapartyorg.ning.com/forum/topics/drunk-illegal-kills-baby-while-picking-up-5th-dui?commentId=4301673%3AComment%3A863534&xg_source=activity

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OonlyBonly 1 year, 4 months ago

Rest in Peace Jodie Hatzenbihler, a 25-year-old Olathe nurse, http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2012/apr...

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Machiavelli_mania 1 year, 4 months ago

"Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame, With conquering limbs astride from land to land; Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame. "Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she With silent lips. "Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

The Statue of Liberty (LIBERTY!)

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Let the people come!

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WristTwister 1 year, 4 months ago

Their "dream" is our nightmare.

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Janice Seymour 1 year, 4 months ago

When you stop giving more money and privileges to people who have come into our country illegally than you do to our military, then I will stop feeling "inhumane". When a soldier from Arkansas is stationed in Kansas but must pay out of state tuition, but children of illegals don't, it is just wrong. Bring our troops home and put them on the border@

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Agnostick 1 year, 4 months ago

This is what a real border fence should be like.

What a real border fence should be like... not that glorified Erector Set project that President George W. Bush wasted money on.

What a real border fence should be like... not that glorified Erector Set project that President George W. Bush wasted money on. by Agnostick

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Agnostick 1 year, 4 months ago

From a purely practical standpoint: I believe the Dream Act is our current best opportunity to solve part of the illegal immigration problem.

I would bring home our troops from overseas, and station them along our southern border. That's what our soldiers are for--focusing on problems and security issues here at home, not chasing oil wells on the other side of the globe.

Let's put up a fence. I mean a fence... not an obstacle course.

This is an obstacle course:

Waiting to cross...

Waiting to cross... by Agnostick

OOPS!!  Cartels ain't always that smart, are they?

OOPS!! Cartels ain't always that smart, are they? by Agnostick

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Agnostick 1 year, 4 months ago

"We still need the fence, though... and we still need to play hardball with businesses that hire illegals."

I said it six years ago, and I still believe it today. It still hasn't happened--we're still turning a blind eye towards businesses that knowingly hire illegal immigrants. Mostly, I think we're afraid of running out of that super-cheap "pink slime" that goes into our triple-burgers that some of us keep on the car dashboard.

I don't expect the astropunks to have a position on this--they won't even want to discuss it. Much easier to flail away at the folks crossing the river.

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Agnostick 1 year, 4 months ago

Perhaps the self-appointed "grass-roots activists" (read: cyberturfing bigots) actually bothered doing their homework, they'd understand that this nation has really never had too big a problem with immigration policy.

There's been an abundance of policy; what we've lacked is enforcement.

Like many self-styled cyberturfing bigots, they don't want to end illegal immigration--they just want to end the immigration that they see as "meddlesome." **These bigots are just fine with other types of illegal immigrants.

"W-w-whaaat?!?!?" you ask, "Exactly what kind of illegal immigrants do they turn a blind eye towards?"

These "activists" secretly, quietly condone the immigrants they clean their houses once a week. Mow their lawns. Trim the shrubs. Build houses for their buddy, the local contractor/developer. The immigrants working on the road that leads to their favorite strip club or casino. The illegal immigrants that dance in those clubs, or wash dishes in the casino buffet.

Don't be fooled by this false "activism"--it's merely a front to divert your attention from their own lawlessness and treason.

To truly enforce our current immigration policy... we would have to close down those housing contractors. Those meat packing plants. Those casinos. Those strip clubs. Raid them, shut them down.

A few years back, that sort of thing actually happened. Laws were enforced. That time seems to have passed.

Rather than demonize a political party or ideology, maybe these "activists" should take a long, hard look at their entrepreneurial buddies... their neighbors. To confront the real lawbreakers, however, they probably need only look in the nearest mirror.

agnostick@excite.com

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oldbaldguy 1 year, 4 months ago

the people from down south i meet who are either here illegally or have papers seem do me some of the hardest working folks around. until mexico and latin america make dramatic reforms, we will always have a problem with people trying to make a better life for themselves and their families. we do need to have a workable program to put these folks on the tax rolls so they can at least pay taxes and work towards citizenship. kobach's tactics are not the answer. i used to be of the opinion we should kick them all out. we can't, its too hard and there is no political will to do it.

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GeneRalno 1 year, 4 months ago

Many Kansans label themselves as liberals because they cannot stomach the idea that they've become common socialists. It saddens me that moronic layabouts and illegal aliens now outnumber the working class. And it angers me that Obama’s directive is nothing more than a contrivance that bought DREAM Act votes, in spite of congressional opposition. Fact is, we love the kids just like the socialists say they do. But we despise what their parents did to them. So here's a new deal for the next administration. Keep the kids and deport the parents. Those kids suddenly would become ordinary adult Americans and pay out-of-state tuition, income taxes and insurance -- just like the rest of us and our kids. Define kids as high school graduates under 21 -- not 30 -- and require verification. And if they fail to graduate from an accredited college within six years, deport them to their parents. If they fail to become felony-free citizens within five years after graduation from college, deport them to their parents. Finally, I'd make this a one time offer that expires in six months. After that, no more free stuff of any kind. Close the program and the border with military force.

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Agnostick 1 year, 4 months ago

BajaRat Anonymous LJWorld.com user since Feb. 4, 2008. Send BajaRat a private message (login required)

Location: Maalaea Bay, Hawaii Hometown: Newport Beach, Calif. Occupation: Activist

Comments: 12

Now look at the comments... every comment except one made in the past two or three days. The very first comment, which ended up being deleted, was made March 29, 2011... more than three years after the account was set up!

USAmerican100 and IllinoisMinuteman are the same way. Sleepers.

This isn't astrosturfing.... maybe cyberturfing?

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zooed 1 year, 4 months ago

The mast head says "Lawrence", but it must really be Liberal, Kansas. Comments are suddenly disappearing like magic, such as: "An estimated 50,000 Americans have been killed by illegal aliens since 09/01/11." We certainly can't have that!

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verity 1 year, 4 months ago

Thank you, progressive_thinker, for your cogent explanation.

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Dick Sengpiehl 1 year, 4 months ago

Is there any question as to why Obama received over 70% of the Hispanic vote? Case closed.

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Fretster 1 year, 4 months ago

Amazing the number of zombies this article brought out. How long will he, oops I meant 'they' last this time?

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progressive_thinker 1 year, 4 months ago

A critical point that many of the "negative" posters in this forum have no grasp of is that the Dream Act does not give any relief to persons who have committed the felony crime of criminal reentry, nor does it provide relief to those who are in violation of federal criminal law [misdemeanor] regarding illegal entry. Yes, it is true, not all "illegal aliens" have committed a crime.

The Dream Act can only apply to the variety of folks who could be subject to being deported based on the civil violation of unauthorized presence. As a practical matter, if someone of this description is picked up by the ICE, they may well get released on bond or own recognizance pending their hearing, and many of this description would not be deported anyway.

What the Dream Act accomplishes is that it focuses scarce government resources on processing criminal illegal immigrants who are posing an immediate threat to safety and security within the US, and deferring action on those who are not of the criminal variety, and who may well not be deported anyway. Persons who have any serious criminal history are excluded.

In practical terms, a mass deportation program would cost the US approximately 285 billion, according to a 2010 estimate. That's about $922 in new taxes or deficit spending for every man woman and child in our nation.

http://articles.businessinsider.com/2012-01-30/news/31004595_1_deportation-kumar-kibble-rob-paral

I seriously doubt that many politicians have the political will to advocate for this.

The fear and misinformation mongering that has been whipped up about this issue is breathtaking.

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mrchips 1 year, 4 months ago

Brown skin scares the racist right wing. All of the loon's above are bitter because the black guy won the election again, plain and simple. The need to hate, and make others miserable is strong in these people, because they can't face the fact that this country has evolved and they are now the minority. Just remember, "liberals have guns too"!!!

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Mike Ford 1 year, 4 months ago

dumb americans......the darkness of these people's skin indicates indigenous roots on this land. how colonists, criollios, and peninsulares flip reality on it's head is beyond me. what was america called before amerigo vespucci leant his first name ti colonialism? ask the thousands of tribal nations and millions of indigenous people what they thought of illegal immigration, resource and land theft and genocide.....then act as if you have a leg to stand on.

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tange 1 year, 4 months ago

Soylent DREAM... it's people!

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deec 1 year, 4 months ago

Considering a huge chunk of the U.S. was stolen from Mexico in an illegally-negotiated treaty in 1848, I have no issue with immigrants from the south.

Some of my ancestors came in through Canada during the Potato Famine. I doubt they went through immigration. Others came in through Ellis Island. All you had to do to get in was not be sick and not be a known criminal, as long as you were of the right European stock.

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zooed 1 year, 4 months ago

I cannot believe what I am seeing in my home state of KS, from the vantage point of my adopted state of Arizona. In AZ, we have been fighting tooth and nail for a decade to prevent our transformation into California. Now that the Republicans are infected with "amnesticulitous", the Federal government is going to steamroll over the states and cram 20 million illegal aliens down our throats to become our wards. This will NOT go down without a battle, and the best guardian you could have in Kansas is Kris Kobach. Jayhawkers better fight for him like they would fight for family.

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ThomTel 1 year, 4 months ago

Anyone wanting to pay the bill for these kids, please step forward!

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ThomTel 1 year, 4 months ago

Anyone wanting to pay the bill for these kids, please step fprward!

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USAmerican100 1 year, 4 months ago

"But Ernesto De La Rosa of Dodge City said . "We love this country and we want to contribute," he said.

If they really truly loved America they would follow our laws. They can contribute more to America by returning to their birth countries and improving them. Obviously they really just want to stay here for the easy ride, created and paid for by Americans!

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justfornow 1 year, 4 months ago

Secure the border and hold employers accountable anf we can talk about the next step!.

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John Kyle 1 year, 4 months ago

These are people raised as Americans and should be granted the path to citizenship. I know hard working families around Lawrence who may not be in the country legally but there children are as American as mine. Let's stop dehumanizing people by merely referring to them as "illegals" and try to work towards a compassionate resolution.

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rockchalk1977 1 year, 4 months ago

Move 'em on, hit 'em up, hit 'em up, move 'em on Move 'em on, hit 'em up, Rawhide Cut 'em out, ride 'em in, ride 'em im, let 'em out, cut 'im out, Ride on in, Rawhide! H'yah! H'yah! Keep movin', movin', movin', though they're disapproving, Keep them illegals rollin', Rawhide!

One of them had a sign that read "Give Us Free Stuff Obama".

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Agnostick 1 year, 4 months ago

Glaring error in paragraph #4, Mr. Rothschild. Allow me:

"...but Kobach's spokeswoman met them downstairs from his office and told them that Kobach wouldn't meet with them because his schedule was full and he doesn't conduct Kansas immigration-related business while in his Kansas state office."

There... that's better!

If these kids would like to talk with their elected official about a pertinent Kansas matter... they may want to travel to Arizona. Or Alabama. Maybe California... Texas... Pennsylvania... Ohio...

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Jean Robart 1 year, 4 months ago

Kris Kobach has a very good point. I support him.

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KansasLiberal 1 year, 4 months ago

Illegal aliens are criminals, so why shouldn't they be treated like criminals? If my parents were bank robbers should I get to keep all of their stolen money just because I was a minor at the time that they stole it?

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geekin_topekan 1 year, 4 months ago

Jesus brought these cherobs to Kansas for a reason. All we can do is pray for them and allow God's magic to work.

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BajaRat 1 year, 4 months ago

Let me get this straight. Here we have a bunch of foreign criminals making demands of an elected official? The arrogance and sense of entitlement possessed by these border-hopping parasites is beyond belief! I say build a wall and deport ‘em all.

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