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Petition seeks Kansas secession from the United States because of Obama's re-election

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Now that the election is over, apparently a lot of people, including some in Kansas, want to secede from the United States.

As of Tuesday evening, nearly 4,600 people had signed a petition urging that the state of Kansas withdraw from the United States and create its own government.

The online secession petitions, which number about 20 so far, were prompted by the re-election of President Barack Obama. The petitions appear on a White House website called "We the People," which the administration uses to hear from people on what policies they would like to see.

If a petition gets 25,000 signatures within a month the White House staff will review the issue. Legally, the U.S. Constitution doesn't allow states to secede.

The Texas petition had reached more than 70,000 signatures but Texas Gov. Rick Perry said he doesn't support the petition.

In Kansas, Senate Minority Leader Anthony Hensley, D-Topeka, joked that maybe the petition started after Gov. Sam Brownback refused to join the federal government to put together a health insurance exchange under the Affordable Care Act.

House Minority Leader Paul Davis, D-Lawrence, said he didn't think much of the petitions. "I think we settled this issue back in the early 1860s. I don't think anyone in their right mind wants to have a secession debate," Davis said.

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Charlie Bannister 1 year, 4 months ago

Hey ksgungrl are you married? If not, would you like to be? You are awesome!!

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Kirk Larson 1 year, 4 months ago

So if it comes down to it, how does Lawrence secede from Kansas?

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msezdsit 1 year, 4 months ago

I bet Saturday Night Live writers are jealous because they didn't come up with this skit first.

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Cait McKnelly 1 year, 5 months ago


By the way, does anybody else find it ironic that Spielberg's "Lincoln" is opening this weekend?
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laurennoel 1 year, 5 months ago

Just another reason for out-of-staters to think we're nuts. Sweet! No wonder we're seeing our population stagnate here, we're crazy!

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verity 1 year, 5 months ago

I seem to recall from my history lessons that Texas won it's independence from Mexico and then begged to join the Union. They were not a stand alone country for nine years because they chose to be---it was because the US was in no hurry to accept them as a state.

Seems kind of ironic now.

Despite the Libertarian's wet dream, I doubt that any state would be better off seceding from the Union. However, the Union might be better off losing some of them.

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donttreadonme 1 year, 5 months ago

I voted for a Republican (Gary Johnson), and it is sad to see the deluded, entitled, conservative minority whine about losing the election.

Why don't you grow up and act like adults, instead of rationalizing your immature behavior?

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donttreadonme 1 year, 5 months ago

"rockchalk197718 hours, 15 minutes ago Since half the electorate just re-anointed a socialist dictator, secession doesn't sound like a bad idea. If just the red states seceded from the US, the blue states would bankrupt the country in a month or two."

Dictator, hah! I see the Fox kool-aid has made you ill. And what will you do in 4 yours when another Democrat is elected president because so many of the old white reactionary Republicans have died off?

If Mitt and the GOP are so great, why didn't he get more votes than McCain and the snowbilly grifter?

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blindrabbit 1 year, 5 months ago

Starlight: Want to add to your listing: Nearly 100% of the meth labs are located in the deniers Red States, with the capital somewhere in mid-Missouri .Add moonshine and Rush to serve as the distributor of Oxy, Beck to lead the chapter of AA and Senator Vitter to champion the Southern Prostitution Industry.

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gogoplata 1 year, 5 months ago

All 50 states now have petitions to secede.

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headdoctor 1 year, 5 months ago

With all the out of state people that have signed the petition it would seem that there really isn't that many Kansans wanting out of the union. It is people in other states wanting Kansas gone. They probably figure the average IQ of the union will go up a few points if Kansas isn't included.

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Gotland 1 year, 5 months ago

Secession is not constitution? The entire Bill of rights was designed to give people the power to rebel against a tyrannical federal government. I would say it is a blue print to secession.

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Gotland 1 year, 5 months ago

The civil war settled this; this is not a voluntary republic. This is a Washington D.C. based empire. Obama is emperor.

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Paul R Getto 1 year, 5 months ago

Zzzzzzzzz..do not gloat when you win, nor whine when you lose. Crybabies.

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grammaddy 1 year, 5 months ago

Round up all the petitioners and ship them out. Unemployment solved.

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Starlight 1 year, 5 months ago

Not sure where this came from but is relevant: Dear Red States:

We’re ticked off at your Neanderthal attitudes and politics and we’ve decided we’re leaving.

We in Illinois intend to form our own country and we’re taking the other Blue States with us.

In case you aren’t aware that includes California, Hawaii, Oregon, Colorado, Washington, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Michigan, New York and the rest of the Northeast.

We believe this split will be beneficial to the nation and especially to the people of the new country of The Enlightened States of America (E.S.A).

To sum up briefly: You get Texas, Oklahoma and all the slave states.

We get stem cell research and the best beaches.

We get Andrew Cuomo and Elizabeth Warren. You get Bobby Jindal and Todd Akin.

We get the Statue of Liberty. You get OpryLand.

We get Intel and Microsoft. You get WorldCom.

We get Harvard. You get Ole’ Miss.

We get 85 percent of America’s venture capital and entrepreneurs.

You get Alabama.

We get two-thirds of the tax revenue. You get to make the red states pay their fair share.

Since our aggregate divorce rate is 22 percent lower than the Christian Coalition’s, we get a bunch of happy families. You get a bunch of single moms.

With the Blue States in hand we will have firm control of 80% of the country’s fresh water, more than 90% of the pineapple and lettuce, 92% of the nation’s fresh fruit, 95% of America’s quality wines (you can serve French wines at state dinners) 90% of all cheese, 90 percent of the high tech industry, most of the US low sulfur coal, all living redwoods, sequoias and condors, all the Ivy and Seven Sister schools plus Harvard, Yale, Stanford, Cal Tech and MIT.

With the Red States you will have to cope with 88% of all obese Americans and their projected health care costs, 92% of all US mosquitoes, nearly 100% of the tornadoes, 90% of the hurricanes, 99% of all Southern Baptists, virtually 100% of all televangelists, Rush Limbaugh, Bob Jones University, Clemson and the University of Georgia.

We get Hollywood and Yosemite, thank you.

38% of those in the Red states believe Jonah was actually swallowed by a whale, 62% believe life is sacred unless we’re discussing the death penalty or gun laws, 44% say that evolution is only a theory, 53% that Saddam was involved in 9/11 and 61% of you crazy bastards believe you are people with higher morals then we lefties.

We’re taking the good weed too. You can have that crap they grow in Mexico. Sincerely, Citizens of the Enlightened States of America

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beatrice 1 year, 5 months ago

An on-line petition isn't worth the paper it isn't printed on.

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beatrice 1 year, 5 months ago

We had Arab Spring, so why not Republican Winter.

Maybe we can designate a section of land to set up a reservation where all the sad, radical conservatives can live. They can huddle together, enforce rape baby births, have no taxes and no centralized government, and they can dream of winning elections while only carrying the white male vote. It seems like a reasonable solution for disappointed regressives.

Of course, we will have to build a large fence to keep them in. Time to build the dang fence.

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kuguardgrl13 1 year, 5 months ago

The thought of a successful secession for Kansas is hysterical. I don't think the feds would let the prison in Leavenworth be roped into a separate country. We could form the new state of East Kansas or Wakarusa with Douglas County, Wyandotte, and Leavenworth. We could even go out as far as Sedgwick and grab the whole eastern half of the state with all the money and most of the universities. Fort Hays State is kinda stuck, unfortunately.

But in all seriousness, I don't think the government will let secession happen. The congressmen for all these states don't seem to like the idea.

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Lawrence Morgan 1 year, 5 months ago

What makes you think that the people who want to secede, once they have their own state, could then get along with each other???

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tomatogrower 1 year, 5 months ago

It's funny. A lot of Republican states receive more money in federal dollars than they pay in taxes. If they seceded, they would have to raise their state income tax. What a bunch of morons.

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OonlyBonly 1 year, 5 months ago

There's something wrong about these 'petitions.' They're up for a number of states BUT you must login (and register) at whitehouse.gov (the President's official site). Might be an easy way to make a "watch" list. If I remember correctly most, if not all, are Red states.....

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blindrabbit 1 year, 5 months ago

Secede, here's an idea! Austin,Texas has the same problem as Lawrence, Kansas. The only logical, sane and progressive cities in an otherwise nutty states. Remember Smilin Sam attended one of Rick Perry's god dogma prayer meetings early in the GOP primary mass suicide process, must be joined at the arses.

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SnakeFist 1 year, 5 months ago

If it makes you conservatives feel any better, we felt the same way under Bush. Don't worry, it'll pass.

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Jean Robart 1 year, 5 months ago

It is a visible way of lodging protest at what this country has sadly become. It beats rioting in the streets, and suing because a few precincts didn't vote the way we wanted them to.

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Jean Robart 1 year, 5 months ago

At least it gives people a tangible and most notable way of protesting. Beats rioting in the streets, suing the government for election fraud, etc.

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Brian Chilcoat 1 year, 5 months ago

Doolindalton, If we were allowed to retain more of our own revenue, perhaps we would have a shot at funding our own schools. But what the hell, people in DC know what is better for us anyway. So keep on the same path, soon none of us will have anything that is not first approved by the feds.

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rockchalk1977 1 year, 5 months ago

Since half the electorate just re-anointed a socialist dictator, secession doesn't sound like a bad idea. If just the red states seceded from the US, the blue states would bankrupt the country in a month or two.

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doolindalton 1 year, 5 months ago

What a wonderful idea. Kansas isn't going to have enough money to fund our own school system in the next five years, much less our own army, social security and medicare system. But what the heck, who needs that stuff, anyway?

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Cait McKnelly 1 year, 5 months ago

We need to go back to the ORIGINAL motto of the USA; E Pluribus Unum.

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heavytone 1 year, 5 months ago

AAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Never gonna happen. Go lay down by your dish now.

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sarahinez 1 year, 5 months ago

When I lived in Kansas, 1984-92, I heard about its greatest heroine, "Mother" Mary Bickerdyke who served as nurse in the Civil War and led a group in the Grand Review in Washington. They were proud to have preserved the Union.

How sad my friends there must be.

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deec 1 year, 5 months ago

It's interesting that a lot of the states that have people participating in this protest receive more tax dollars than they pay in. A lot of those states are also red states.

http://www.economist.com/blogs/dailychart/2011/08/americas-fiscal-union

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msezdsit 1 year, 5 months ago

These people should try sitting in a corner and holding their breath. Or maybe lying on the floor and kicking and screaming until they get their way. These are the people who push all the radical right wing agenda that pretty much got sent home on election day. They can't be grown ups and accept defeat in the election. They demanded that their guy be president even if he did didn't win the election. They are the people who have posted that if I didn't like their america I could just move. Well, maybe its time for them to move. I look at the bright side of this spectacle they are engaged in. At least we have lists of who these blithering idiots are and we could use it to try to avoid them. Maybe we could get a mass mailing of binkies and send each one of them one in their favorite color.

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Cait McKnelly 1 year, 5 months ago

On a more sober note, I want to share something written by a woman who is currently serving in the military.
"Apparently, rebellion is in the air. There are individual citizens petitioning to secede from the Union. That is...ill-advised at best. We have only come this far as a Union. We have put men on the moon, as a Union. We have sent a rover to the planet of Mars, as a Union. Our only success has been as a Union. I will not stand before you and say (or type, to be literal) that things are stable as they are. In truth, as we all know, they are not. Our government has been corrupted, and not just for the past few terms. The seed of destruction began at our country's inception. It always does. Weeds and grass grow simultaneously. This is not a new concept. We fear our voices are not being heard, and THAT. Is. True. However, rebellion is NOT the answer. Our founding fathers sent representative after representative to Great Britain, pleading for intervention. Only after those multitudinous efforts failed did they draft the Declaration of Independence. Rally your voices, speak your mind, we CAN CHANGE what is without sundering our Union as a whole. We DO have enemies. They respect us as a whole and leave us untouched. If we fracture, we take the risk of dissolving entirely. These are not the rantings of fear-mongerers. This. Is. Fact. No Secession. No Civil War. Progression. Outcry. Change. We have the numbers, the message, and the will to succeed. Steel your hearts, open your minds and your voices, do not delude yourself into thinking that dissolving our great nation is the answer. America. For the People. Of the People. By the People. Times have changed, so must we. Change can be bought with words, not blood. Do not damn the youth of our nation because of fear. Do not spill soldier's blood in the streets because of anger. Arise, America, and alter your nation."
-----Eva Anderson-----

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clovis_sangrail 1 year, 5 months ago

I rather liked this petition on that same site --

Peacefully grant the city of Austin Texas to withdraw from the state of Texas & remain part of the United States.

Austin Texas continues to suffer difficulties stemming from the lack of civil, religious, and political freedoms imposed upon the city by less liberally minded Texans. It is entirely feasible for Austin to operate as its own state, within the United States, in the event that Texas is successful in the current bid to secede. It is important for Austin to remain in the union as to do so would protect it's citizens' standard of living and re-secure their rights and liberties in accordance with the original ideas and beliefs of our founding fathers.

We would also like to annex Dublin Texas, Lockhart Texas, & Shiner Texas.

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oldbaldguy 1 year, 5 months ago

Tried once before, we all know how that turned out. This is a very good way to get on an FBI or Army Counter Intelligence watch list. Brings back the 60's and 70's to me. We as in the Army used to keep lists like this. I suspect with the Patriot Act, it would not be hard to get on a list with somebody and your business becomes someone else's.

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beatrice 1 year, 5 months ago

This was just sent to me. More reaction to the election: It all makes sense now. Gay marriage and marijuana being legalized the same day.

Leviticus 20:13 - "If a man lays with another man he should be stoned."

We've just been interpreting it wrong all these years.

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tange 1 year, 5 months ago

If, at first, you don't secede, cry, cry, again.

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cowboy 1 year, 5 months ago

“The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser men so full of doubts.” Bertrand Russell

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Ryan Wood 1 year, 5 months ago

A 3rd world country right in the middle of the United States would be kind of weird.

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Cait McKnelly 1 year, 5 months ago


What a hoot! How can they do it when they can't even spell it? These whack jobs would trip on their shoelaces going out the door.
(On the other hand, if they really want to "secdee" I'm all for it. Have no idea what it is but it sounds kinky enough it could be fun.)
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grammaddy 1 year, 5 months ago

This isn't the first time I've seen this happen. Didn't Rick Perry try this a few years ago. Hilarious. Texas would be bankrupt and a part of Mexico within 3 years. Then we could finish that wall.

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Mark Pickerel 1 year, 5 months ago

No petition needed. It is already happening in Brownbackistan.

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question4u 1 year, 5 months ago

Talk of secession is just another self-inflicted wound on the Republican party. When will those on the radical right wake up? They can claim until they're red in the face that there's nothing racist about endorsing the tactics of the Confederacy to protest a black president, but it's not themselves that they need to convince. The Republican party scares the heck out of most minorities – and, at the moment, it should.

There will never be another Republican president if the party can't find a way to win over minority, especially Hispanic, voters. Even at the state level, the party has to get mental midgets like Virgil "murder 'em from helicopters" Peck and Connie "I can tell an immigrant by the olive complexion" O'Brien to keep their face holes shut, or better yet prevent them from getting into office in the first place. If the Tea-Party Joe in the street doesn't see openly racist Republicans in office then maybe he won't be so quick to do things like try to turn the clock back to 1861.

Secession? Just keep shooting yourself in the foot.

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gogoplata 1 year, 5 months ago

How many pro choice people are coming out against a states right to choose.

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Roland Gunslinger 1 year, 5 months ago

My 5 year old throws a temper tantrum when he can't get his away too.

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gogoplata 1 year, 5 months ago

The right of a state to secede from a voluntary union sounds like liberty to me not treason.

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justfornow 1 year, 5 months ago

Sounds pretty tame compared to what you Libs were planing to do if Obama lost. Dishonest, hypocrites and a few things I can't say.

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Cait McKnelly 1 year, 5 months ago

I think what worries me about stuff like this is, how many of these people are just doing this for a "statement" and how many of them are truly serious? I also wonder if they realize that we have this thing called, "The Department of Homeland Security"? It's going to be a hoot how many of the people that sign these petitions end up on the "watch list".

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tomatogrower 1 year, 5 months ago

If they don't want to be US citizens anymore. let's ship them to Mexico. We'll even take up a collection to pay their way.

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topekan7 1 year, 5 months ago

Here's a better petition:

We petition the Obama administration to: Strip the Citizenship from Everyone who Signed a Petition to Secede and Exile Them

Mr. President, please sign an executive order such that each American citizen who signed a petition from any state to secede from the USA shall have their citizenship stripped and be peacefully deported.

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/strip-citizenship-everyone-who-signed-petition-secede-and-exile-them/ZbMjcwPf

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HutchSaltHawk 1 year, 5 months ago

Maybe Lawrence/Douglas County should consider secession from the State!

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Gandalf 1 year, 5 months ago

Kansas had better be careful on what it wishes for. The rest of the nation might agree with them, just to be rid of the global embarassment!

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gogoplata 1 year, 5 months ago

I wonder if the comments from citizens of Great Britain were similar to these when news came of the Declaration of Independence?

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kernal 1 year, 5 months ago

Charge them with Seditious Conspiracy and seize their property as payment for airlifting them to the "We Hate the U.S." country of the week. Idiots.

Niknana123, let's not play the Tea Partiers game and lump all Republicans in the same category as the wing nuts.

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Steven Gaudreau 1 year, 5 months ago

I love the idea of secession but not because of Obama. Our federal govt is broken republican or democrat. Kansas is insulated from invaders outside of the U.S. so we need no border protection. Rip out all the wheat and plant marijuana. Kansas would be the Amsterdam of the Americas.

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nikinana123 1 year, 5 months ago

I wish republicans would stop being such babies and learn to be a good sport.

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blindrabbit 1 year, 5 months ago

Texas wanting to leave, they did this once during the Civil War, The Union kicked their arses and took them back in with thier tail between their legs. By the way, Texas are proud of their history and legacy, but more than a bit nutty besides.

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Liberty275 1 year, 5 months ago

It would be foolish to secede unless you have an open-water coast and are able to build a port.

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BABBOY 1 year, 5 months ago

In my opinion, everyone the morons that signed the petition is nothing by a traitor and should be treated as such......

I mean what kind of cry baby succeeds from the nation because they lost an election. I mean did the democrat tuck face and run when Bush won.

Flip No, first we got Clinton and beat the first Bush, Now we got Obama beating the second Bush and then Romney….

I mean you conservatives jerks need to man up and grow a pair and just try to do the right thing to help the nation. This sore loser cry baby BS is unbecoming….

On second thought, why don’t ya all move to Mexico as illegal aliens and take over their flipping country working jobs that the Mexicans do not want to do for crappy wages……..

LMAO…..

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beatrice 1 year, 5 months ago

United We Stand... except when Republicans lose an election.

Do we need any more proof of exactly why the Republicans lost? They have extremist ideals and now that they lost another national election they act like spoiled children who are have stayed up past their bedtime. Boo hoo.

If they want to win elections, then they need to offer us better candidates and stop dismissing half of the nation.

Now, if the Republicans won't join the rest of the nation in moving forward to fix the problems they helped create, I wish they would at least have the courtesy of getting out of the way and allowing the adults to keep working hard to better our country.

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parrothead8 1 year, 5 months ago

I didn't think there were 70,000 people on the entire planet dumber than Rick Perry. It's kind of disturbing that they all live in the same state. Maybe we SHOULD let them secede.

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FriendlyFire 1 year, 5 months ago

Ha! This is rich. If they're going to secede they better be thorough and burn it all to the ground first. You don’t get credit if you just co-opt the infrastructure your former government built for you.

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Bob_Keeshan 1 year, 5 months ago

Those folks signing the petition are hereby asked to leave.

Not by me, but by Kris Kobach:

More broadly, Kobach says Kansans who disagree with the state’s tilt are free to leave.

“Americans can vote with their feet,” he said, “and choose a state that reflects their values and the way of life they’d like to enjoy.

“If a person wants to live in a San Francisco lifestyle, they can go there. If they want to live a Kansas lifestyle, they can come here.”

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deec 1 year, 5 months ago

I wonder if anyone named Kevin G. or Tom S. signed the petition?:

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In_God_we_trust 1 year, 5 months ago

This is a public statement and vote of no confidence by many in the country to show the President and socialist thinking voters that they have pushed and severely divided this country with their extreme, liberal, anti-American views. They have pushed the political envelope too far left, way too far in a liberal direction by re-electing the socialist President Obama which is extreme left. Hopefully the liberals in Lawrence and around the country will be intelligent and educated enough to recognize the need to tone down their rhetoric and use good sense in trying to mend the void and division that they helped to create in this country and work toward a better balance.

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John Kyle 1 year, 5 months ago

Looking at the petition it is clear that most of the people are not even from Kansas. They probably signed all the petitions that are on there about succession.

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eugunieum 1 year, 5 months ago

We,,, I don't like Bronco, but I don't think I am ready to give up on the USA just because someone I don't like got elected president.

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Amy Heeter 1 year, 5 months ago

How stupid. Go ahead write your name to be submitted, then clean out your drug stash because the FBI is going to be watching you. What a lot of morons.

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The_Original_Bob 1 year, 5 months ago

"As of 11 a.m. today, nearly 3,000 people had signed a petition urging that the state of Kansas withdraw from the United States and create its own government."

Haha. That's hilarious.

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rcg928 1 year, 5 months ago

edited to a different spot.

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appleaday 1 year, 5 months ago

Make them show their papers if they do dare to cross the border.

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nugget 1 year, 5 months ago

I say they can all congregate in the southwest corner of Kansas with their massive gas and oil reserves and build their little castles to the sky. Just make sure we don't allow them visas to enter the rest of the state.

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GMSkarka 1 year, 5 months ago

Non-issue. 3000 nutjobs out of a state population of 2.8 million or so. That's pretty much what you'd expect in the nutjob / non-nutjob ratio.

The media is running with this story, pointing out that 100,000 people in 22 states have started those petitions -- presenting it as if the States themselves are petitioning, despite the fact that it's a handful of folks, solidly within the nutjob ratio, nationally.

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overthemoon 1 year, 5 months ago

People just don't think things through very well. And I guess they haven't heard the news that Fox has been lying to them and everything they believe about everything is wrong. Poor suckers, they've been used.

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blindrabbit 1 year, 5 months ago

Some Karl Rove, Dick Morris, Rush Limburger concept! Trying to stave off and distract from any further embarrassment from their election night predictions.

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newmedia 1 year, 5 months ago

Just one of 20 something other states trying the same thing. No news here...

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Kat Christian 1 year, 5 months ago

WHAT? This is absurd. You won't be getting my signature or anyone in my family. What are you trying to start a revolution? Can't we all just get along?

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blindrabbit 1 year, 5 months ago

Kansans dumbing down again, just part of the Brownbackistan and TeaBagging view of our future. " Back, back, back, back in the USSR (replace with Kansas), you don't know how lucky you are".

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