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Separation of church and state group criticizes Brownback for promoting prayer event

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Americans United for Separation of Church and State on Friday criticized Gov. Sam Brownback for promoting a fundamentalist Christian evangelical event.

“The governor is really overstepping his constitutional bounds," said Vickie Sandell Stangl, president of the Great Plains chapter of Americans United for Separation of Church and State.

"He was elected to serve as governor of our state, not our state pastor-in-chief.

“The people of Kansas do not need politicians telling us when, how or whether to pray. If anybody needs to repent, it’s Gov. Brownback. He needs to repent for violating the constitutional separation of church and state," Stangl said.

Stangl was criticizing Brownback for promoting a nationally simulcast prayer and worship event put on by ReignDown USA that will be held Saturday in MacLennan Park, which is adjacent to the governor's mansion, Cedar Crest.

In a video promoting the event, Brownback said: "Too often we have forgotten God," and he invites people to pray.

Here is a video that Brownback made. The end of the video says no state resources were used to make the video or in the ReignDown event.

Comments

Richard Heckler 2 years, 4 months ago

"He needs to repent for violating the constitutional separation of church and state," Stangl said."

Absolutely.

He needs to repent daily for participating in corruption and deception. He is a man of pretend.

How many campaign dollars will he receive for promoting this event?

blindrabbit 2 years, 4 months ago

Has that rosy glow of maybe a little too much scnapps, either that or sneaking into the Sunday communal "Blood of Christ" Eucharist wine. He is PREYING on the citizens of Kansas and not PRAYING for his lost soul.

blindrabbit 2 years, 4 months ago

mea culpa: "schnapps" not my prior "scnapps".

riverdrifter 2 years, 4 months ago

Blind, you can edit your posts, you know.

Cait McKnelly 2 years, 4 months ago

Maybe it's something like amadán. I like calling people names in foreign languages. They don't get deleted :)

beatrice 2 years, 4 months ago

Yes, just imagine a bunch of citizens concerned about what an elected governor is doing.

Nobody is saying he can't pray on his own, and nobody is saying people can't carry guns. However, I do appreciate anytime someone lives up to the "bitterly clinging to guns and religion" stereotype.

chootspa 2 years, 4 months ago

Personally, I don't care if Brownie wants to invite everyone to a prayer service. I care when he tells people what they can or can't do with their body because of his religious beliefs. A restriction interestingly absent from your economically challenged rant.

PS - Stangl already has a job. I'm not sure what makes a job "real" or imaginary, but I imagine a paycheck is involved somehow.

Richard Heckler 2 years, 4 months ago

Where are the real jobs that Brownback helped destroy? Supply Side Economics killed them.

Congress needs to explain their logic that the USA economy does not need millions upon millions of blue and white collars working in the USA. Where did these conclusions come from? Corporate America was never going broke instead making tons of profits.

How did blue and white collar workers lose these millions upon millions of jobs?

It’s not the Unions! Reagan/Bush had a big time eliminating USA jobs.

--- 1. Mergers = industry and jobs lost to other countries

--- 3. Leveraged Buyouts = industry and jobs lost to other countries

--- 5. Reagan/Bush Savings and Loan home loan scandal which killed the economy and cost the USA millions of jobs. = industry and jobs lost to other countries

All of above ultimately translate into millions upon millions upon millions of blue and white collar USA job losses in some cases to dictatorships. Big time layoffs are the end result. These jobs go abroad with tax codes that prevent taxation on profits made abroad from USA big name corporations.

There was a time when becoming employed by corporate America came with long term employment, fine wages and dependable retirement benefits. Those days are gone. Why did congress participate in killing the USA economy and millions upon millions of blue and white collar jobs?

beatrice 2 years, 4 months ago

Which religion? Which god?

The fallibility of humanity is all the more reason to not believe in the gods mankind invents in its own image.

beatrice 2 years, 4 months ago

People of any faith does not include people of NO faith. One has to believe in "spirtual" anything to believe in the rather ludicrious notion of pooling spiritual resources. Will there be an operator, forwarding prayers to the right entitity -- "Hey Christ, we have a couple more coming in for you over here. And Buddha, we have a message for you. Oh, and Mother Earth, some people are dancing about -- I think they're yours." Silly.

And I would argue that I am probably agnostic. I don't believe there is a "higher power" and am even more certain that nobody here among us knows, hence all the variations on the theme, but there may still be something out there. What ever it might be, I suspect it doesn't give a damn if we pray to it or not. If it did and it listened to Brownback, we would be talking about president-elect Perry right now.

Cait McKnelly 2 years, 4 months ago

Somehow I think my brand of Celtic Reconstructionism would not be particularly welcomed.

Liberty275 2 years, 4 months ago

She's the sort that believes in souls. She can't be an atheist until she realizes whatever soul she thinks she might have will be long dead before her body hit's the ground.

That said, your ability to grasp and defend a faith is admirable.

Bea is no fundamentalist. I think she's scared to be. She's still nice though.

Lisa Medsker 2 years, 4 months ago

If you need a religion to tell you to be a decent person, it's EMPATHY you lack, not religion.

blindrabbit 2 years, 4 months ago

river: My computer is so old, it does not have a spell-check feature! This is a touchy subject in the family, my wife wants to this old unit (and I'm not speaking of myself).

blindrabbit 2 years, 4 months ago

anticommunist: You mentioned Brownbacks "deeply held faith", PLEASE!! The guy has flipped his church membership as often a McCain has flipped his stance on a variety of issues. The only thing that I've seen flip more is the halibut I caught in Alaska a couple of years ago; I thought it was going to destroy the boat.

Cait McKnelly 2 years, 4 months ago

Actually, he started as a Methodist, converted to Evangelicalism when he went to Topeka as state Ag secretary, converted to Catholicism when he went to DC and since returning to Topeka is attending the same Evangelical church he attended before going to DC. Whew! His "Christianity" is most definitely "flavor of the month".

kernal 2 years, 4 months ago

No one has beat Millard Fillmore for that title, but Bush is certainly a close second.

beatrice 2 years, 4 months ago

I thought it looked more like he was ready to say, "Hi. Welcome to the neighborhood."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EEuefF8fFRE

Liberty275 2 years, 4 months ago

"overstepping his constitutional bounds," said Vickie Sandell Stangl"

No he isn't, he is speaking his opinion just like everyone else and his first amendment rights are not in any way inferior to yours while speaking as a private citizen.

When a man asks me to pray, I wonder how people are brainwashed into believing in gods, but never once does it cross my mind that I should tell that man to shut up.

We aren't all thin-skinned nor are we anxious to to criticize the rights of a fellow citizen.

" The end of the video says no state resources were used to make the video or in the ReignDown event. "

Either prove that is a lie or admit you are being petty.

Liberty275 2 years, 4 months ago

If you run them while they are closed you'll see squiggly lights.

blindrabbit 2 years, 4 months ago

I had the "opprotunity" to talk to Sam back in 1996 at the Lawrence Holidome; asked him about a pet project that my wife and I were involved with at the time, the Z-Bar ranch property in Chase County. The property later became The Tallgrass Prairie National Preserve. Sam at that time said any environmental /conservation issues for Kansas would need to be approached "on a cost benefit analysis". His lack of support pointed out that it would come at a cost to Kansans and a benefit to him. Supporters were Graves, Kasebaum, Roberts, Glickman, Hayden. Interestingly, Chase County, one of the poorest in the State felt that a proposed State Prison might be a better choice than the proposed National Preserve, both came to fruition..

blindrabbit 2 years, 4 months ago

Nope, both are on K-177. Prison is just down the hill from the famous courthouse in Cottonwood Falls, the TGPNP is about 3 miles north of Strong City. The two are about 6 miles apart.

Cait McKnelly 2 years, 4 months ago

I find it kind of fascinating that the majority of our "founding fathers" were both Deists and Masons. Now, being a Deist will get you kicked out of the AF&AM AND the Republican party. Funny, that, huh?

Cait McKnelly 2 years, 4 months ago

I suggest you read this article. Being a Deist WILL get you kicked out of the Masons, at least in that region where this man holds the reins.

http://wildhunt.org/2012/12/after-florida-grand-master-ruling-pagans-and-freemasons-speak-out.html

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