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by Scott Rothschild
December 4, 2012 at 3:38 p.m.
Dole tries, fails to persuade Republicans, including Sens. Roberts and Moran, to vote for treaty for disabled
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Sitting in a wheelchair just off the floor of the U.S. Senate, former Kansas Sen. Bob Dole tried to persuade Republican senators to ratify a U.N treaty banning discrimination against those with disabilities. But they turned him down. U.S. Sens. Pat Roberts and Jerry Moran, both Kansas Republicans, voted against the treaty. Here's a report from ABC http://abcn.ws/R5rEe2
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Comments
kansasfaithful 5 months, 2 weeks ago
Thank you Senator Roberts and Moran. Senator Dole was showing his age when he ran against Clinton and it is obvious that he is completely lost his mind now. I respect Doles service to our state but like all things your influence is long past the good old days of the good old boys.
MacHeath 5 months, 2 weeks ago
your are a complete phoule. Your nic is a abomination. Do not represent yourself as speaking for Kansans. I was born here; you do not speak for me, or anyone I know.
riverdrifter 5 months, 2 weeks ago
Bob Dole is what a Republican formerly looked like. Roberts and Moran are a couple of hayseed, juke teabaggers. Retealican party is circling the the bowl and hopefulling won't leave any skidmarks on the way down.
chootspa 5 months, 2 weeks ago
The fact that you're serious pretty much sums up everything that is wrong with the conservative movement today. Especially those members who claim to be religiously "faithful."
bookemdano 5 months, 2 weeks ago
As if we needed yet another reminder that the "Big Tent" days are over for the GOP. Truly sad what they've been reduced to. Forget a third party, we need an actual, rational second party in this country.
(facepalm)
BuddhaDude 5 months, 2 weeks ago
Disagree. We need two rational parties in this country. The only thing holding the Dems together is their agreement to go against whatever there Reps want. The DNC was a mess.
orbiter 5 months, 2 weeks ago
Yeah, a UN treaty to ban discrimination against those with disabilities (bringing the world up to US standards) is a totally insane. If God wanted those freaks to be equal he would have made them "normal". (Good God, what has the Republican party come to...)
tomatogrower 5 months, 2 weeks ago
Do you know this treaty is essentially what we have in our Americans With Disabilities Act. Are you against that too? Do you just want those disabled people to stay at home, so you don't have to see them? Most radical Republicans seem to think that Darwin was wrong, yet they believe in the survival of the fittest. They just want people who aren't in perfect shape and health to just go away and die, even old, retired people. You Republicans disgust me. Do not call yourself Christians. Jesus would be ashamed of you.
Pepe 5 months, 2 weeks ago
The article indicates that this treaty would not change current US law, including the ADA. In other words, according to this article, there would be no change brought about in the US because of this treaty. Thus, what is the reason for being in favor of this? Is the purpose of the treaty to try to tell other countries how to handle their issues related to persons with disabilities? If so, why is this any of our business?
MacHeath 5 months, 2 weeks ago
what !?
LarryNative 5 months, 2 weeks ago
Yes, why should we care how the helpless are treated if their not Americans?Besides, I'm to busy at my PETA protests to help the disabled in other countries.
chocolateplease 5 months, 2 weeks ago
The reason it is our business is because it's a human rights issue. Discrimination against those seeking jobs, housing, education, etc. (due to gender, religion, disabilities, sexual preference...) is harmful to humans, and demeaning to progress in the world.
cait48 5 months, 2 weeks ago
This makes me so sad. Dole was a true statesman and to have these jack legged yahoos insult him is just disgusting.
MacHeath 5 months, 2 weeks ago
I liked Bob Dole, even when I was a screaming liberal. He and Kemp would have made a good team. If Dole was backing it, it must have been worth the effort. He should have stabbed that pen right in Roberts neck. Those yahoos should be falling all over themselves to do something for Dole, just because he asked them too. Bob is old, and out of power, but he could probably still hand them their asses on a platter.
If any of you fools read, you would know that the freaking Repubs blocked the thing, because they saw it as "soft" on abortion. These sob's better get in step with modern society, before they are diminished to obscurity.
riverdrifter 5 months, 2 weeks ago
"He should have stabbed that pen right in Roberts neck."
Now THAT'S funny!
jhawkinsf 5 months, 2 weeks ago
Dole grew from being a political hatchet man to being a true statesman. I see little evidence Moran or Roberts will make that leap.
MacHeath 5 months, 2 weeks ago
He was a great hatchet-man too! Could you imagine what he would have done to these jokers, back in the day?
verity 5 months, 2 weeks ago
It seems like this treaty is largely symbolic---doesn't change our laws in any way, but might cause other countries to take such rights more seriously.
Senator Dole's handicap from a war injury is more serious than most people probably realize as he has been able to hide it from the public to a large extent. For Moran and Roberts to treat him this way in this situation, well, what does it say about them?
Barclay 5 months, 2 weeks ago
On the surface this treaty made sense. But it could have resulted in the limiting of parental rights. And I am always apprehensive of any "treaty" that redefines US sovereignty.
tomatogrower 5 months, 2 weeks ago
Yes, they are going to send in UN troops to come in and take your child, who you don't care for, because they have a disability. Better adjust that aluminum hat.
Gareth 5 months, 2 weeks ago
The treaty would've made already-existing US Law (the AMericans with Disabilities Act) into a world-wide standard. It wouldn't have changed US law at all, but would've applied that US to all treaty signatories.
Like most Republicans, you should perhaps make more of an effort to educate yourself on an issue before you sound off on it.
DougCounty 5 months, 2 weeks ago
So sorry, Bob; welcome to the new Republican Party, the dominant party of the Paranoid States of America. Check in your reality at the door if you decide to come on in. Make sure you ask for a ticket stub in case you can ever find the door again in order to get out.
bearded_gnome 5 months, 2 weeks ago
barclay is right about this treaty, it is far from equivalent to the ADA.
we see how the obama administration will use tear jerker topics to try to get in their agenda of big government.
coming are other treaties which would give the UN control of the internet possibly to tax it, and radical gun control.
parental rights was one of several very serious concerns about this so called treaty on the rights of the disabled. it included bizarre references to the right to have a name and the right to develop ones nationality.
Gareth 5 months, 2 weeks ago
You are paranoid, and wrong.
jonas_opines 5 months, 2 weeks ago
Gnome? Lol no way!
hellomynameis 5 months, 2 weeks ago
Name calling? That will really get us somewhere! I guess the truth has made you uneasy. Do your homework this bill was great on the surface, but beyond that a nightmare.
Katara 5 months, 2 weeks ago
Oh good Lord! Can there be a facepalm big enough for bearded_gnome's post?
Please stop reading WorldNetDaily.com. It is doing you absolutely no good.
Additionally, this was negotiated by George W. Bush. "The ADA put the United States in the forefront of efforts to secure equal rights for the disabled, and it became the blueprint for the U.N. treaty, formally the Convention on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities. The treaty was negotiated by the George W. Bush administration. It was completed in 2006 and Obama signed it in 2009." http://www.boston.com/business/news/2012/12/04/republican-opposition-downs-disability-treaty/YECGOUHF0EI15PqWjaMNHI/story.html
I am very willing to bet you haven't a clue about what is really in the treaty. http://www.un.org/esa/socdev/enable/rights/convtexte.htm
It includes none of the paranoia fueled items you seem to thrive on.
meggers 5 months, 2 weeks ago
Are you talking about this?
States Parties shall recognize the rights of persons with disabilities to liberty of movement, to freedom to choose their residence and to a nationality, on an equal basis with others, including by ensuring that persons with disabilities:
Have the right to acquire and change a nationality and are not deprived of their nationality arbitrarily or on the basis of disability; Are not deprived, on the basis of disability, of their ability to obtain, possess and utilize documentation of their nationality or other documentation of identification, or to utilize relevant processes such as immigration proceedings, that may be needed to facilitate exercise of the right to liberty of movement; Are free to leave any country, including their own; Are not deprived, arbitrarily or on the basis of disability, of the right to enter their own country.
Children with disabilities shall be registered immediately after birth and shall have the right from birth to a name, the right to acquire a nationality and, as far as possible, the right to know and be cared for by their parents.
What is so controversial or bizarre about that? Keep in mind, we are talking about a global framework here. These are rights we already recognize in the US, but they aren't recognized in many other countries.
There is also NOTHING in the convention that prohibits home schooling or encourages abortion, contrary to what the knee jerkers like Beck have been spouting.
The right doesn't like the UN, period. In the midst of their blind hatred, they have thrown people with disabilities under the bus- and that includes Americans with disabilities who might like to travel to countries that are behind the curve in the treatment of people with disabilities. Shameful.
Here is the UN Convention, if you'd like to read it: http://www.un.org/disabilities/convention/conventionfull.shtml
HazardArea 5 months, 2 weeks ago
I wish they had voted for this, but Pat (I was arrested for drunk driving) Roberts doesn't ever respond to my letters telling him how I think he should vote. Jerry Moron does reply but its a canned version of the Republican talking points. Ditto for Kevin (I went swimming naked in the Dead Sea) Yoder.
I'm a native Kansas and I'm so ashamed that these yahoos represent us. Well, actually, they don't represent us; they just cash their checks and do whatever Boner tells them to do. They are a pretty good argument against Representative democracy. And the whole world is watching.
And Governor Brownshirt, don't even get me started on him.
Solomon 5 months, 2 weeks ago
Yeah, it really pizzes me off when Obama won't answer my letters telling him how I think he ought to run the country.
progressive_thinker 5 months, 2 weeks ago
I have to disagree the notion that this treaty is somehow limited to a "symbolic" role.
Autie is correct that if we in the US want to be the leader of the free world, we need to get up and lead. That means setting a high standard and encouraging others to live up to the same.
Above and beyond that, we have to remember that people from the US do travel and conduct business in other countries. I regularly travel outside of the US, and can assure you that I have seen many places that make it very difficult for a disabled person to have access to places that we would take access for granted in the US. We have to remember that encouraging other countries to assure reasonable access is not only in their best interests, but in the best interests of US citizens who travel and do business abroad. Unfortunately, a small group from our senate have chosen to use a tin foil hatted conspiracy theory as a reason for the US to not assume the leadership role, and to not encourage other countries to do things that are in the best interests of the US and US citizens.
whatupdown 5 months, 2 weeks ago
Watch out for those republicians; they will murder the poor to make it to church on time, "praise the lord".
olddognewtrix 5 months, 2 weeks ago
For shame Senators Roberts and Moran! votere will remember this insult to bob dole!
superswagg56 5 months, 2 weeks ago
Says a lot about the 2012 Radical, Right Wing, Christian Taliban Republican Party.
blindrabbit 5 months, 2 weeks ago
unfortunate vote outcome! I always assumed (and knew I suppose) that Roberts was a lame tool, but had a better feeling about Moran, but guess I was wrong. Moran moved from being a somewhat rational U.S. Representative, but recently moved more into the idiot camp.as he entered the Senate. My guess, he has been fully purchased by the Tbaggers, the dittoheads, Grover Norquist and the Koch-a-Kola operation.
MacHeath 5 months, 2 weeks ago
I wish Barry Goldwater was here, and Dole was still in Congress! It almost makes me cry to see what has happened to the GOP. Now the Dems have only a bunch of marginalized, nut-cases to keep them in check. Bad deal all-around! Who would have thought Reagan would come to be thought of as a moderate? GFG!!
Centerville 5 months, 2 weeks ago
Go read the thing at www.un.org . There is not one specific statement or prescription. Not one. Not even a silly one. It is all fluff, and the same fluff regurgitated over and over. Thanks, US taxpayer, for funding another waste of time.
oldexbeat 5 months, 2 weeks ago
all Senator Pat Roberts really wants is no review or book on the US Senate Intelligence Committee when he was in charge -- can we say WMD a few times -- and thus the Iraq war started -- really the Bush/Roberts war as much as anyones. Were they lied to ? Were they ?
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